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Chevelle, Corvette cloners busted, charged with felonies
Hemmings Motor News ^ | 8/2/12

Posted on 08/02/2012 8:53:43 AM PDT by Impala64ssa

Two purveyors of fake Chevrolet muscle are looking at trials on felony charges after their respective scams fell apart.

In Columbus, Nebraska, it was a 1970 Chevelle SS 396 which the seller, Mickey Dush, allegedly bought from a Florida collector-car dealer for $37,500, equipped with a fake build sheet he bought online and a 454 of unknown vintage, and then sold as an LS6 to an Iowa man for $87,000. It wasn’t until after the sale that the buyer’s wife found a VIN decoder and determined the car’s true origins. According to the Columbus Telegram, Dush’s lawyer will claim the buyer failed his due diligence in researching the car, but right now Dush is looking at theft by deception, a Class III felony punishable by up to 20 years in prison.

Investigator Gene A. True from the Nebraska State Patrol Auto Fraud Division said that it’s difficult to sell such white-collar crimes to prosecutors used to seeing violent crimes. “When I first got this case, I told the victim it was a crime, but we’re going to have to sell it to a prosecutor,” he said. ”There are shysters out there who know it’s safer to steal money with a pen than with a gun.”

(Excerpt) Read more at blog.hemmings.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Nebraska
KEYWORDS: automotive; fraud
The LS6 Chevelle was one of the ultimate "bad-a**" supercars in its day. Like other supercars, a relatively small number of them were built in the first place. Mid-sized cars like the Chevelles were primarily marketed toward families, so the vast majority were more mild-mannered and came with "small block" V-8's.
1 posted on 08/02/2012 8:53:52 AM PDT by Impala64ssa
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To: Impala64ssa

I owned a ‘66 full size Chevy with the L-78 motor. It was a 396 rated at 425 horsepower at the time. Probably closer to 500 HP...


2 posted on 08/02/2012 9:05:27 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (I didn't post this. Someone else did.)
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To: Impala64ssa
Big deal, In my book ANYONE who buys a (ptew) Chevrolet is supporting a criminal enterprise.
3 posted on 08/02/2012 9:06:20 AM PDT by 1raider1
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To: Impala64ssa

1) I didn’t realize Chevy was still selling the 396 in 1970.

2) I believe GM’s fastest car was the Buick GS455 Stage 4.

3) I had a friend who had a 454 in a land yacht 4 door Impala and it still moved along.

4) When you buy a classic car, the first thing you do is check the VIN. Ideally, you want the engine serial number to match the VIN although if you deck the block, you can punch in any number you want. The VIN tells you the trim level, the engine, the paint code, year and of course serial number. I don’t have much sympathy for someone who failed to check the VIN against the numerous Internet sites that will decode it for you. I would laugh if the engine code showed it actually came with a six cylinder.


4 posted on 08/02/2012 9:12:03 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: 1raider1

Now that Chevy’s a divison of 0bama motors, if I ever buy another new car, I seriously thinking of going Korean, Hyundai or Kia.


5 posted on 08/02/2012 9:13:47 AM PDT by Impala64ssa (You call me an islamophobe like it's a bad thing.)
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To: Lx
"2) I believe GM’s fastest car was the Buick GS455 Stage 4."

I had one of those... it was amazing

6 posted on 08/02/2012 9:14:58 AM PDT by Mr. K ("The spread of evil is the symptom of a vacuum [of good]")
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To: Impala64ssa

Put a bullet in each knee cap, then start discussing getting totally repaid or you move to other joints. /S

Not that I am condoning that.


7 posted on 08/02/2012 9:15:22 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Impala64ssa
"...but we’re going to have to sell it to a prosecutor."

Yup. Prosecutorial discretion is a bear. Following paper trails in auto theft isn't sexy enough. A prosecutor usually has a full lineup of guns, drugs, and murder cases supported by surveillance videos, undercover informants, and hidden mics. Juries love that Hollywood "CSI" stuff. Slam dunk. Anything less puts them to sleep. No sexy? No case.
8 posted on 08/02/2012 9:19:14 AM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I believe the 396 was never rated over 400HP and the LS78 was 375.

I don’t know what year they changed the HP rating, it was rated at the crankshaft and now is real wheel HP.

I think (from memory) the 427 tri power was rated at 425. The Mopar 426 Hemi was only rated at 425 as well and the 440 6-pack was 420.

You’re right about them not releasing the real horsepower, they tried to fool the insurance companies by de-rating their engines. Didn’t work.


9 posted on 08/02/2012 9:19:47 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Lx

Yes, many car clubs know how to read the VIN’s, cowl tags and broacast sheets that were usually placed in the rear seat coils, thought oftentimes they pratically disintegrate with age. My 64 Impala was originally a 283, like most of them. A previous owner dropped a 327/250 engine in it. It looks like it came out of the factory that way, but AACA members know what to look for and can tell it’s not original.


10 posted on 08/02/2012 9:21:22 AM PDT by Impala64ssa (You call me an islamophobe like it's a bad thing.)
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To: Impala64ssa
Mid-sized cars like the Chevelles were primarily marketed toward families, so the vast majority were more mild-mannered and came with "small block" V-8's.

Yeah, my '70 Chevelle had a 307, but I still loved it...

11 posted on 08/02/2012 9:23:13 AM PDT by sargon (I don't like the sound of these "boncentration bamps")
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

IIRC, the L-78 was rated at 425hp in the Corvette but 375hp in every other car Chevy offered it in.

I’d imagine an L-78 Vette would be rather valuable, as it was only offered in 1965...


12 posted on 08/02/2012 9:23:21 AM PDT by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (EAT MOR CHIKIN)
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To: Lx

From 1970-72 it was technically a 402, but the ones that went into the Chevelles and Camaros were still called the 396. In t he big Chevys they were called 400 big blocks. My uncle had a 71 Impala with that engine. It moved nicely for a 4500lb+ car.


13 posted on 08/02/2012 9:25:37 AM PDT by Impala64ssa (You call me an islamophobe like it's a bad thing.)
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To: Lx

“1) I didn’t realize Chevy was still selling the 396 in 1970.”

Well, sort of. There was a “396” sold in Chevelles, Novas and Camaros that actually displaced 402 cubic inches. This same motor was called a 402 in their full-size cars.


14 posted on 08/02/2012 9:26:04 AM PDT by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (EAT MOR CHIKIN)
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To: Impala64ssa

“sold as an LS6 to an Iowa man for $87,000.”

“Sure, it’s a GEN-U-INE ROLEX!”

“A Fool and his money are soon parted”


15 posted on 08/02/2012 9:26:31 AM PDT by BwanaNdege (Man has often lost his way, but modern man has lost his address - Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: Impala64ssa

I know Chevy put Big Blocks in Novas, Chevelles, and Corvettes. I don’t know if Impala (even the Super Sport) had a Big Block option. I remember trying to drop a 396 into a 66 Super Sport that had a factory 327 and finding some compatibility problems.


16 posted on 08/02/2012 9:26:55 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: Impala64ssa

It used to be it wouldn’t be worth the money to try to make that conversion look legit. Nowadays the 454SS are huge dollars, especially the convertibles. When I bought my ‘70 Chevelle 25 years ago the SS were barely cracking $10-15K. To me it is the ultimate musclecar.


17 posted on 08/02/2012 9:32:31 AM PDT by Chipper (You can't kill an Obamazombie by destroying the brain...they didn't have one to begin with.)
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers

Unfortunately, a lot of people consider the 396 to be a second cousin compared to the 427 and this is unfair.

I forgot about the 402 big block. Anytime someone mentions a 400 Chevy I think of the 400 small block with the Siamesed bores that had a reputation for overheating although the reason was people using the wrong head gasket.

I had a truck someone dropped a 396 in. It was awesome. I love the 60s-70s Chevy trucks.


18 posted on 08/02/2012 9:34:48 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers

Any mid year Vette is worth a lot of money while the C3s small blocks still go for a reasonable price.


19 posted on 08/02/2012 9:36:48 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Impala64ssa
The other major problem with these cars is "rebodies"

A guy with find a totally rusted out rare car that is just gone or an old race car that had everything cut out of it. Instead of repairing it they will find a rust free small block car and transfer everything over including the vins...the really smart ones will also transfer hidden, welded in vins as well but guys now are starting to remove the heater cores etc and see if the vins show signs of being welded in.

There are experts out there faking build sheets, engine block stamps etc etc.

Buyer beware especially when forking over $150-250K

20 posted on 08/02/2012 9:38:09 AM PDT by trailhkr1
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To: IronJack

I friend of mine had a 4 door ‘66 Impala he got original from his granfather that had a 396. I rebuilt the quadrajet for him and helped replace the starter.


21 posted on 08/02/2012 9:39:58 AM PDT by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was, as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: Lx

I missed out on the musclecar era; I wasn’t old enough to drive back then, having been born in 1967. And these days I can’t afford one now that the really good ones have appreciated.

The only V8-powered car I’ve owned so far was a ‘80 Cutlass sedan with a 260 under the hood. It made less power than the 1.6L four-banger in my Miata (although it did make a lot more torque), and it still only managed about 16mpg on the highway. This car holds the dubious distinction of being the only car I’ve ever owned that caught fire. Unfortunately, we saved it from burning to the ground...


22 posted on 08/02/2012 9:43:21 AM PDT by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (EAT MOR CHIKIN)
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To: IronJack

I’m pretty sure the original Impala SS could be ordered with a 427...


23 posted on 08/02/2012 9:44:36 AM PDT by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (EAT MOR CHIKIN)
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers

After doing a bit of research, it appears I misspoke. The 427 wasn’t offered until ‘66; prior to that the top engine option in the Impala SS was a 409 (through mid-’65) or a 396 (mid-’65 to the end of ‘65).


24 posted on 08/02/2012 9:50:55 AM PDT by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (EAT MOR CHIKIN)
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To: Impala64ssa

I once bought a used GMC 3500 pickup & 33’ 5th wheel RV. The truck pulled the big camper well, but I didn’t think much of it. The Jimmy had a 402 Big Block, dually’s, 11,000 lb axle, etc.

One camping trip I dropped the camper (for the first time) at the campground and went to town for groceries.

Whoooeee, that puppy would get down the road!


25 posted on 08/02/2012 9:51:28 AM PDT by BwanaNdege (Man has often lost his way, but modern man has lost his address - Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: Impala64ssa
Caveat Emptor when spending $87,000 on a car. Decoding VIN numbers can be done with a smart phone.
26 posted on 08/02/2012 9:56:38 AM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers; Impala64ssa; Eric in the Ozarks; 1raider1; Lx; Mr. K; Vendome; ...
It's not about a Chev but a great car song nevertheless:

455 Rocket - Kathy Mattea


27 posted on 08/02/2012 10:06:52 AM PDT by Iron Munro ("Jiggle the Handle for Barry!")
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To: Lx

There was a sticker on the air cleaner that said 396/425.
The 396/425 was not uncommon in ‘65 Biscayne sedans used as drag racers.

I’m not certain, but I think my ‘66 was built in ‘65 based on the motor. It had the massive 4 bbl, solid lifters and turned in an honest 8 miles per gallon.


28 posted on 08/02/2012 10:12:21 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (I didn't post this. Someone else did.)
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To: Impala64ssa

Seriously, I know what you mean, There are probably more ‘67 “Shelbys” and ‘65 “GTOs” on the road now than were built. Who says you can’t turn lead into gold.


29 posted on 08/02/2012 10:15:37 AM PDT by 1raider1
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers

My 396/425 was in a ‘66 Caprice. I was the second owner.
The first owner had ordered it in bronze/red with white buckets and automatic on the floor. Full mufflers, resonators and white wall tires completed the “dad’s car” look. Until it was fired up and the herky-jerky idle gave it away, that is.


30 posted on 08/02/2012 10:23:38 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (I didn't post this. Someone else did.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Ah, the sweet sound of a big-block with a big cam...


31 posted on 08/02/2012 10:31:05 AM PDT by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (EAT MOR CHIKIN)
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers

The owner of a particularly nasty GTO “Judge” found out.


32 posted on 08/02/2012 10:34:40 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (I didn't post this. Someone else did.)
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To: Iron Munro

As long as the subject has been changed from Chevys...

I had a girl friend (as opposed to a girlfriend) back in 1966 who went with her mom to the Plymouth dealer to buy a new car. Ended up talking her mom into a 4 door 426 Hemi Fury III. (Her dad had a few word when they got home, IIRC)

Suzi was a cute strawberry blond who would delight in pulling up next to some guy at a light, smile sweetly, and proceed to blow his doors off.

We called her the “Little old lady from Pasadena”.


33 posted on 08/02/2012 10:37:09 AM PDT by BwanaNdege (Man has often lost his way, but modern man has lost his address - Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: Impala64ssa

With fake VIN tags and fake build sheets, it’s really hard to tell what is fake and what’s genuine. Once something becomes expensive enough there will always be talented crooks who will create a fake that is pretty much as good as the original.

The early Pontiac GTO was just an option package on the Tempest, so there are no special VIN numbers for those GTOs. One automotive expert once mentioned that out of the original 32,000 1964 GTOs there were only 100,000 still in existence. Caveat Emptor indeed.


34 posted on 08/02/2012 10:41:14 AM PDT by Stevenc131
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To: Iron Munro

Good song


35 posted on 08/02/2012 10:50:51 AM PDT by Osage Orange (8675309)
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To: BwanaNdege

Good story.

Those were the days.....


36 posted on 08/02/2012 10:51:52 AM PDT by Iron Munro ("Jiggle the Handle for Barry!")
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Hey, it’s 2012! Never mind the HPs, how did it rate for CO2 emissions? /sarc (I think)


37 posted on 08/02/2012 11:01:59 AM PDT by Moltke ("I am Dr. Sonderborg," he said, "and I don't want any nonsense.")
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To: Impala64ssa

whats most embarassing is that the guys wife decoded it after the sale - can you imagine the fireworks - You spent 87k on a fraud, honey - sleep on the couch


38 posted on 08/02/2012 11:03:59 AM PDT by Revelation 911 (How many 100's of 1000's of our servicemen died so we would never bow to a king?" -freeper pnh102)
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To: BwanaNdege

I had a girl try to blow my doors off, but she didn’t get past my rocks.


39 posted on 08/02/2012 11:16:48 AM PDT by 1raider1
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To: Impala64ssa
There's a lot of mistaken info in this thread from various posters about a whole number of things, but I'm not going to get into it.

Yes, I came in here just to say that and leave. Sorry.

40 posted on 08/02/2012 11:32:34 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi)
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To: Impala64ssa
Someone with 50 grand to spend on a car but isn't smart enough to trace the vin? Makes me wonder how they came to have the extra money to spend.
41 posted on 08/02/2012 12:02:04 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Lx

The 427 with three two barrels was rated at 435 hp. I had one in a ‘67 Corvette. The thing destroyed the multiple U-joints in the independent rear suspension on a regular basis, along with the left motor mount.


42 posted on 08/02/2012 1:00:54 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: Impala64ssa

Hyundais are great, reliable cars.


43 posted on 08/02/2012 1:51:44 PM PDT by Fire_on_High (WTB new tagline, PST!)
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To: Lx

Now that I think back, the 427 that was rated at 425 hp may have been the one with a huge Holley four barrel carb. I seriously thought of converting my 3-2 barrel to that, as the outboard carbs got constantly gunked up from lack of gas passing through. It was just too violent on city streets to be kicking in those secondaries very often. I would literally chirp the tires when they opened in 1st or 2nd gear with 60’s tires.


44 posted on 08/02/2012 1:51:54 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: Impala64ssa

Once upon a time, I had a ‘67 Malibu someone had resurrected from the junkyard and did a partial “SS” on it. I still miss that car....but I hit a hard spot and had to sell it...


45 posted on 08/02/2012 2:59:48 PM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: Fire_on_High

Yes, my lovely daughter has an 05 Accent, nothing fancy, but it’s good basic transportation, 120k miles on it and runs good as new. And I’m impressed with how smooth and comfortable it rides for such a small car.


46 posted on 08/02/2012 7:37:56 PM PDT by Impala64ssa (You call me an islamophobe like it's a bad thing.)
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To: Revelation 911

Yeah, plenty of “womenfolk” who know a thing or two about cars. There’s some members of Girlie Girl Racing who show up at the local cruise nights from time to time. These ladies have some pretty impressive rides.


47 posted on 08/02/2012 7:46:33 PM PDT by Impala64ssa (You call me an islamophobe like it's a bad thing.)
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To: Lx

Most of the HP ratings back in the muscle car days were plainly made up.

Some over rated and some under rated.

The Dodge 440 Wedge, 426 Hemi, Ford 427 SOHC and 429 SCJ were not rated anywhere near what they would actually do.

GM rated their engines based on a hand-built blue printed engine not just something that was randomly pulled off the line and thrown on a dyno.


48 posted on 08/02/2012 7:59:10 PM PDT by Clay Moore (The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of a fool to the left. Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: Lx

I was always impressed with the 396 (and 454) as torque engines but sure liked the way a small block revs and makes HP.


49 posted on 08/02/2012 8:05:47 PM PDT by Clay Moore (The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of a fool to the left. Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: Clay Moore

Not to mention the big block’s predesessors, the 348 and 409. My dad had a 59 Impala convertible w/a 348, nothing short of a Vette could beat it. But he sold it before I was old enough to drive :(


50 posted on 08/02/2012 9:21:37 PM PDT by Impala64ssa (You call me an islamophobe like it's a bad thing.)
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