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Gold Priced For Collapse
TMO ^ | 8-2-2012 | Peter Schiff

Posted on 08/02/2012 3:20:07 PM PDT by blam

Gold Priced For Collapse

Commodities / Gold and Silver 2012
Aug 02, 2012 - 02:32 PM
By: Peter Schiff

Where is the gold price today? If you're like many Americans, you have no idea whether it went up, down, or sideways. Fortunately, I know my readers to be more informed - you likely know that after falling from almost $1900, gold has been trapped around $1600 since early May. But you may still be curious why despite continued money-printing and abysmal US economic reports, gold hasn't been able to hit new highs.

Here's the truth: gold is currently priced for collapse. Many investors believe the yellow metal has topped out and are selling into every rally.

Nerves of Tin

Being a gold investor is tough business. The last thing any government or corrupt big bank wants is to have a bunch of people putting their savings into hard assets - and gold is one of the hardest of all. So we're constantly up against tides of propaganda saying that gold has no value or is the refuge of doomsayers.

The effect of this is that even heavy gold investors are always waiting for the other shoe to drop. When house prices were rising, no one was worried that the market had peaked or prices were unsustainable. No one was asking whether all the thin-walled McMansions going up would actually be worth anything in a generation. But for gold, Wall Street has been shorting it all the way up!

Nowhere is this pessimism more evident that in gold mining stocks. Rising inflation has driven production costs higher, but the mistaken belief that inflation is contained and Treasuries are a safer haven is keeping a lid on gold prices. As such, many of the major producers have missed their earnings projections, and their share prices have been punished. This has placed a cloud over the entire sector. In fact, the P/E ratios of major gold miners are near record lows. Stock prices reflect future earning expectations, and judging by the low P/Es, Wall Street expects future earnings to plummet. This likely reflects their bearish outlook for gold, which is generally viewed as a bubble about to pop.

Chronic Memory Loss

Unfortunately, there is no public validation for those who have proved the gold doubters wrong. A couple of years ago, I predicted gold would cross $1500 and even my own staff thought the call was too risky, too extreme. But I knew then, as I know now, that at the end of the day the gold price is not a mystery - it's a proxy for dollar weakness.

Since most investors do not truly understand gold's economic role, they assume the 10-year bull market must be a mania. But manias show parabolic growth detached from any fundamental driver. The definition of a mania is the bidding up of an asset quickly and beyond all long-term justification.

Gold, however, has grown steadily in inverse correlation with real interest rates, as explained by Jeff Clark and Mark Motive in past issues of this newsletter. As a reminder, here's a chart detailing the correlation:

The Opportunity of the Decade

After spending the previous fall and winter testing new nominal highs above $1800, future investors may come to view spring and summer 2012 as the opportunity of the decade. Gold has shown its strength and retreated. While most investors will take that as a signal that the market has topped, some will take advantage of the general trepidation to add to their positions at hundreds of dollars off the highs.

While I think gold is a bargain at $1900 considering today's circumstances, the market phobia of a price collapse is allowing us to buy at well under established highs. It's as if you already wanted to go swimming, but you found out when you got there that the pool was heated.

What Happens Next

I've seen markets like this before, and by making some reasonable inferences, I have a good picture of how this could play out. Gold will continue testing the $1600 barrier until it surprises to the upside. This could be spurred by the announcement of QE III, a calming of fears in Europe, or any shock to the Treasury market. Treasuries have temporarily overtaken gold as the primary safe-haven asset. Once that dynamic is broken, I believe the counterflow into gold will be tremendous.

Right now, there is a haze over investors. Frightful news from Europe and a slowdown in Asia have shaken confidence in any asset that doesn't have the steady track record of US debt. But as I often remind my clients, past performance doesn't guarantee future results. Any news that wakes investors up to the coming collapse of the Treasury market will likely trigger a rush into the one asset with a track record as long as civilization itself.

Prepare For Collapse

The key to this market is to understand that a price collapse is coming - but not for gold. Instead, the market for US dollars and dollar-denominated debt is headed off a cliff, which will send the price of precious metals soaring.

Now is a time for uncommon confidence. Everyone knows Treasuries to be safe, just as they knew house prices would always rise. Then as now, gold's value and utility are doubted. But my readers know better.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: collapse; commodities; economy; gold

1 posted on 08/02/2012 3:20:13 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
WORLD CENTRAL BANKS ON 'RED ALERT'

"Jon Hilsenrath, the world's best central bank reporter, says that the conclusion from this week is that the world's big central banks (the Fed and the ECB, natch) are on 'red alert' over the state of the US economy. "

2 posted on 08/02/2012 3:23:31 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

From the headline I thought it meant Gold was about to drop drastically.


3 posted on 08/02/2012 3:30:06 PM PDT by Terry Mross
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To: Terry Mross

Yes, you need to read this article very carefully before you make any investment decisions based on it.


4 posted on 08/02/2012 3:32:27 PM PDT by AZLiberty (No tag today.)
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To: blam

My belief is that gold will cross $3,500/oz before this is over. My opinion is that it will cross $5,000.

I could be wrong, do your own DD.


5 posted on 08/02/2012 3:38:05 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ("I'm comfortable with a Romney win." - Pres. Jimmy Carter)
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To: blam

Misleading headline.

Same old, same old:

Gold at record levels but going higher (take my word for it).

Buy now and avoid the SHTF rush.


6 posted on 08/02/2012 3:39:22 PM PDT by Iron Munro ("Jiggle the Handle for Barry!")
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To: Iron Munro
Systemic Upheaval, Economic Recovery Vs Propaganda Reality Check

"The true refuge is Gold & Silver, the constant over the ages, which will return to the core center of banking and trade. The justice meted out will be trade systems dictating to banking reserve systems, or else face obsolescence. "

7 posted on 08/02/2012 4:07:24 PM PDT by blam
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Gold Price dot org


Gold Price dot org

8 posted on 08/02/2012 4:08:15 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: blam

For prices to rise somebody has to have the money. If Europe is collapsing and America is heading into another major recession where will the money come from to buy gold at a higher price? Our entire economy has become over-inflated and I suspect prices across the board are headed downward when the dam breaks.


9 posted on 08/02/2012 4:40:13 PM PDT by thejokker
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To: Terry Mross

I thought the same thing about the tone of the article.

I know human nature and government arrogance so I will hold onto my gold - Thank you very much.


10 posted on 08/02/2012 4:55:00 PM PDT by jongaltsr
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To: blam
As I've said before gold and other commodities are in a bubble that will ultimately collapse. I don't know when but it will..

We are losing the WOT and when the battle comes here gold will be denominated not in US dollars but in some third world denominated currency...you cant eat the stuff.

To invest in gold you have to believe that some how things will never get that bad and the US will somehow muddle through.. as much as I wish I could I cant accept that premise.

The folks peddling gold will always try to get conservatives to buy gold but there are far better uses for your dollars today if, like me, you see the future as bleak..

11 posted on 08/02/2012 5:03:51 PM PDT by montanajoe
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To: blam

I’m hearing 5-figure gold.

Some custodians seem to be leaking info that allocated gold at some of the central banks (gold which is supposed to be in the inventory and held for customers) has been leased out in a price suppression scheme, and replaced by paper.

If “paper gold” was gold, they’d call it gold.
Until you hold it in your hands, it’s just paper. Not gold.

All this aside, I still think the best investment is baked beans!


12 posted on 08/02/2012 5:12:17 PM PDT by djf (The barbarian hordes will ALWAYS outnumber the clean-shaven. And they vote.)
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To: blam
I bought all the gold I needed when it was 200 and right up until it hit 1200 and got too expensive for my wallet. And when I say I have gold, what I mean is, I used to have it, but it all fell off my boat in a storm off the coast and now I can't find it - so just mosey on to the next guy's house - he has a lot buried under the wet spot in his yard.

I would say that 1500 is the new absolute floor and the sky is the limit when measured in a fiat currency doing what every fiat currency must inevitably do.

13 posted on 08/02/2012 5:13:03 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (Goode over evil. Voting for mitt or obie is like throwing your country away.)
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To: thejokker

Oh, there’s money out there! Way, way, way more than you think!

TENS, if not HUNDREDS OF TRILLIONS of dollars (nominative, face value) in derivatives and hedge funds.

If ten percent of that was to flow into the metal funds, gold would probably hit over $100,000 an ounce.

Seriously.


14 posted on 08/02/2012 5:17:01 PM PDT by djf (The barbarian hordes will ALWAYS outnumber the clean-shaven. And they vote.)
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To: Iron Munro

Actually, it isn’t the “same old same old”, because unlike in the past, the dollar has hit it’s ~ 1 generation after detachment from backing. 1 generation is the average time from the detachment of a currency from a backing unit and it’s collapse. I think the informational age nature of now will possibly let the dollar eek out a year or two more, but that currencies collapse after withdrawal of backing media is about as fundamental as water flowing down hill...


15 posted on 08/02/2012 6:21:06 PM PDT by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: thejokker
thejokker said: "If Europe is collapsing and America is heading into another major recession where will the money come from to buy gold at a higher price?"

The same place all of our dollars came from; U.S. government printing presses.

I certainly don't claim to be an expert on this, but I do have an opinion.

First, let me ask you a question; How much of this last year's federal deficit was financed by having the Federal Reserve exchange newly printed dollars in exchange for debt certificates bearing almost record low interest rates?

How about a follow on question; If the Federal Reserve had not been buying U.S. debt, what interest rate would investors insist upon before buying such debt?

And some final questions:

Who will be buying U.S. debt over the next four years?

What interest rate will be paid on that debt?

What will happen to the present value of debt certificates that bear low interest rates when identical instruments become available bearing much higher rates?

If the Federal Reserve must continue buying U.S. debt in order to maintain the low interest rates, what must happen to the value of printed dollars?

In 1966 I could buy gasoline for about 20 cents per gallon. Today gasoline costs about $3.50 per gallon. Not coincidentally, at today's silver prices, that is about two silver dimes per gallon.

16 posted on 08/02/2012 6:44:41 PM PDT by William Tell
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To: djf

Any good brands you can recommend? I like those expensive Bushes Beans that come already souped up in different flavors.


17 posted on 08/03/2012 12:25:42 AM PDT by STD ([You must help] people in the…feel so frustrated, so defeated, so lost, so futureless)
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To: STD

Buy dried beans that you can plant in the ground and they will multiply.


18 posted on 08/03/2012 12:29:28 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: blam
I sold my silver in anticipation of the election. I've even noticed the gold commercials have faded.
This election will decide the economy for the next four years at least.

Expect Obama and the Rats to claim responsibility when the Repubs take the WH and
people start investing again because of that.

19 posted on 08/03/2012 2:13:45 AM PDT by MaxMax
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To: STD

Bushes are good! But all I can recommend is the best you can buy IN BULK.

Look at what’s happening, The drought in US has destroyed the corn crop. Corn is used in a thousand more products than corn flakes, In fact most corn I grew up near was nothing that a person would eat, but animals loved the stuff,

Meats will rise,
Ok.... It’s late.

So here is my recommendation:

Go to the store.
Buy every split pea you can afford
Factor in you would be wise to buy some canned ham at the same time.

And note that I said everything above without mentioning the reactors in Japan...

Meanwhile, for your listening pleasure:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBwy5y_tdQk

Good luck!


20 posted on 08/03/2012 3:37:42 AM PDT by djf (The barbarian hordes will ALWAYS outnumber the clean-shaven. And they vote.)
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To: djf
"Buy every split pea you can afford "

Why just split-pea?

21 posted on 08/03/2012 3:50:15 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Never said just split pea.
I said start with seeds and nuts that might keep you alive,


22 posted on 08/03/2012 4:04:38 AM PDT by djf (The barbarian hordes will ALWAYS outnumber the clean-shaven. And they vote.)
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To: djf
Okay.

Good advice....that I've already taken.

23 posted on 08/03/2012 4:36:16 AM PDT by blam
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To: djf

I’ve thought about adding canned ham to my stash...where is that found in the supermarket, and how long does it keep? Thanks!


24 posted on 08/03/2012 4:40:54 AM PDT by Mich Patriot (Today if you invent a better mousetrap, the government comes along with a better mouse. RReagan)
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To: thejokker

-—— where will the money come from to buy gold at a higher price?-——

The author uses the interesting phrase “ the counterflow into gold “ while writing about US Treasuries already paying nothing. That means that when the foreign money pouring into US Treasuries and saving Obama’s ass gets spooked by the continuing devaluation of the US$, the place the money will counter flow to is into gold.

Obama has always blamed his poor performance on his predecessor. He will have the opportunity to set up his successor with some kind of trap worse than the mess he has already created. It will be revenge of the worst sort. It will exacerbate the counter flow

If that is the future, gold stocks with a low P/E are a bargain


25 posted on 08/03/2012 4:54:46 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: blam
So we're constantly up against tides of propaganda saying that gold has no value or is the refuge of doomsayers.

Good thing I'm wearing boots this morning. The real propaganda comes from the mouths of these gold hucksters who rank significantly lower on the credibility scale than insurance salesmen, used car salesmen, and personal injury lawyers.

Gold has a reputation as the "refuge of doomsdayers," because that's the in-your-face message that gold hucksters use to sell gold. To paraphrase a gold ad that I recently heard on Glen Beck radio: Europe is burning, America is on the verge of civil war, for thousands of years people have turned to gold in the face of Armageddon... You should too." Gold has a reputation as a "refuge for doomsdayers" because the hucksters selling gold have advanced that reputation as the primary selling point.

In my opinion, approximately 90% of gold's value comes from doomdayers' demand as opposed to industrial, cosmetic, artistic, or institutional uses. Gold has no intrinsic value. It's incapable by itself of having significant value separate from demand. There is no real shortage of gold, rather the demand is artificially created through fear marketing and that demand is what drives and inflats the price. At some point, however, everyone foolish enough to buy gold as an investment is already in the market and there is insuffucient demand to sustain the price. The hucksters have already made their money by selling gold on fear and driving the price up and then using the rising price to sell more gold. As the price begins to fall, "investors" start to cash out, which causes the bubble to burst and the price to fall through the floor, and that's when the gold hucksters bottom feed and replenish their inventories at a deep discount so that they can start the hustle all over again.

Sure, some of the doomsdayers will make money if they buy in early enough and sell at just the right time. But the vast majority of these suckers who buy gold as a long-term investment, hedge against inflation, whatever the reason they are duped to buy, will lose money as measured against more traditional investments such as a well- diversified portfolio of equities and debt instruments.

26 posted on 08/03/2012 5:09:35 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: blam

Which would you rather own: 1,000 oz. of gold or 100,000 shares of GM stock?


27 posted on 08/03/2012 5:26:18 AM PDT by Gritty (It's either Obama and the Democrats or America. You can't have both. - Rush Limbaugh)
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To: djf
All this aside, I still think the best investment is baked beans!

all depends on gas prices

28 posted on 08/03/2012 5:40:27 AM PDT by TheRightGuy (I want MY BAILOUT ... a billion or two should do!)
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To: STD; djf

FYI

If you take exit 232 off I 40 to Sevierville Tennessee, you travel a pleasant country highway through rolling farmland with the Great Smokey Mountains as a backdrop. Unexpetedly, you come upon a fairly large manufacturing plant and lots of trailers. Then there is another even larger plant.

The first is Ball manufacturing, a maker of cans. The second is the Bush cannery. Across the street from the cannery is a large, old building that has been spiffed up. It is the Bush cannery visitors center. In the corner of a stair landing is an antique corner cabinet wrapped in chains and displaying a large padlock. There are red lasers pointing in all directions guarding the cabinet. Inside, visible through the glass doors is a huge leather bound book entitled....... Bush Family Baked Bean Recipe


29 posted on 08/03/2012 5:58:20 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: montanajoe
there are far better uses for your dollars today.

Like what? I'm being serious.

30 posted on 08/03/2012 7:09:48 AM PDT by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: New Jersey Realist

Food, shelter and water.

And the means to protect them and the means to replace them as they are consumed.


31 posted on 08/03/2012 7:20:41 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: MaxMax
MaxMax said: "I sold my silver in anticipation of the election. I've even noticed the gold commercials have faded. This election will decide the economy for the next four years at least."

I'm curious to know what you believe will be the result of this coming election, allowing for the possibility that either Obama or Romney might win.

If Obama wins we get (just rough guesses):

U.S. government revenue: $2.4 trillion

U.S. government spending: $4 trillion

U.S. government borrowing: $1.6 trillion

Federal Reserver purshasing of U.S. debt: $800 billion

What do you expect to have happen if Romney wins? I don't see much change from the scenario above. I can't figure out what keeps the Dow Jones average as high as it is while so many western nations are faced with insurmountable and growing debt.

I see no shortage of printing presses and ink for nations willing to print currency.

32 posted on 08/03/2012 9:43:31 AM PDT by William Tell
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To: William Tell
" I don't see much change from the scenario above. I can't figure out what keeps the Dow Jones average as high as it is while so many western nations are faced with insurmountable and growing debt. "

I agree with you...completely.

33 posted on 08/03/2012 11:03:59 AM PDT by blam
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To: William Tell
If Romney frees up our energy, prices will fall and he seems to be set on that issue.
Second is that companies are holding investment cash, and they are telling us that
they will not invest if there is no recognizable plan by the Government.
I am one of those companies that will not grow or invest if the Gov will take it all away
through Obocare and higher taxes.

I'm hedging my bet and since I gained value there was no loss for getting out of silver.
I sold my gold six months ago.

34 posted on 08/04/2012 1:04:18 AM PDT by MaxMax
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To: blam

Peter: After the deception and scheming of Extortion-Care passage, don’t under estimate the Hillary (Hillary Romney) Gang, to begin securing all these non-collateralized phoney so called “instruments”, through funneling Extortion-Care. Anyway they can leverage it. They’re exempt remember.


35 posted on 08/04/2012 2:35:50 AM PDT by Varsity Flight (Extortion-Care is the Government Work-Camp: Arbeitsziehungslager)
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To: blam

Peter: After the deception and scheming of Extortion-Care passage, don’t under estimate the Hillary (Hillary Romney) Gang, to begin securing all these non-collateralized phoney so called “instruments”, through funneling Extortion-Care. Any way they can leverage it. They’re exempt remember.


36 posted on 08/04/2012 2:36:15 AM PDT by Varsity Flight (Extortion-Care is the Government Work-Camp: Arbeitsziehungslager)
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To: bert

HaHaHaHa, thank you very much! That dog’s not talking either!


37 posted on 08/04/2012 11:33:54 AM PDT by STD ([You must help] people in the…feel so frustrated, so defeated, so lost, so futureless)
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To: Yosemitest

Thanks, brilliant thinking and will do today


38 posted on 08/04/2012 11:38:57 AM PDT by STD ([You must help] people in the…feel so frustrated, so defeated, so lost, so futureless)
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