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Lifeguard gets bill [for $2,583] after ocean rescue
koinlocal6.com ^ | July 31, 2012 | Kohr Harlan

Posted on 08/02/2012 6:03:00 PM PDT by grundle

VANCOUVER, Wash. -- Seventeen-year-old John Clark, a senior at Hudson's Bay, says he didn't think twice about running into the ocean to save a drowning 12-year-old.

But what he hasn't stopped thinking about, is the bill he received as a result of his effort.

What started at Rockaway Beach

The guardian angel is busy this week teaching Boy Scouts to tie knots. It's a far cry from the sand at Rockaway Beach nearly a month ago -- when John Clark heard screams for help from a 12-year-old swept out to sea.

The call for help came just five days after Clark had been certified as a lifeguard.

"He had to do something," said Dan Clark, John's dad.

So John Clark dove in -- through the breakers and heavy swells -- to reach the boy in the ocean. Then he calmed the boy down, and kept him afloat.

"I don't know exactly how big the swells were," Clark said, "but they were big enough to push both of us underwater -- all the way down to where we were touching sand."

Jet skis arrived and pulled both of them to shore.

John had a headache, and the 12-year-old was wrapped in a blanket to warm up. Into the ambulance they both went.

'When we got the bill it was a shock'

Clark thought the trip to Tillamook General Hospital was standard procedure; he didn't give it a second thought until several weeks later ... when the bill arrived.

"I am extremely proud of him," his dad tells KOIN. "When we got the bill it was a shock."

The emergency room bill came to $449. The physician's bill was $227. The 15-mile ride in the ambulance to Tillamook: $1,907. The total bill for saving a young man's life? Nearly $2,600.

"I had a feeling there would be a bill," Clark said. "But I didn't know how much it would be, and I kind of feel bad for the fact that it's so expensive. But I couldn't just let the kid go -- I had to do something."

John Clark is a lifeguard at the Firstenburg Community Center pool and the Marshall Community Center in Vancouver. He's the youngest of nine kids; his family is trying to make arrangements to get the bill paid.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: bill; gooddeed; injustice; lifeguard; swimming; washington
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1 posted on 08/02/2012 6:03:04 PM PDT by grundle
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To: grundle

The way things are done—would have been better for the hero money-wise to allow the kid to drown—hero’s conscience would not have allowed it.

Where are the kid’s parents? Aren’t they going to help out?


2 posted on 08/02/2012 6:08:01 PM PDT by madison10
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To: madison10

Did he embarrass the unionized lifeguards or something?


3 posted on 08/02/2012 6:12:24 PM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: grundle

So exactly why is it the lifeguards bill when it was the 12 year old drowning swimmer that had the medical attention? What am I missing here? If I stop to help a stranger with their car broke down am I liable for a tow and mechanics bill?


4 posted on 08/02/2012 6:14:15 PM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: grundle
Pretty poor for the ambulance co and the rest to send this guy a bill but that's what they do ..they assume you have insurance. they should be forced to give an estimate of the cost. I was told my wife needed to be airlifted of course I said OK. I beat the helicopter to the hospital by five minutes.....Bill over $8,000. No More!!!
5 posted on 08/02/2012 6:14:28 PM PDT by ontap
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To: madison10
Where are the kid’s parents? Aren’t they going to help out?

They and/or their insurance should have been billed in the first place. The lifeguard and his family should just ignore the charges. No collection agency will try to collect from them. They don't owe it.

6 posted on 08/02/2012 6:14:34 PM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: madison10
"Where are the kid’s parents? Aren’t they going to help out?"

The drowning kid's parent were probably Kennedys. They don't pay for squat.

7 posted on 08/02/2012 6:14:53 PM PDT by Average Al
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To: grundle

Could workman’s comp figure into this in any way?


8 posted on 08/02/2012 6:15:42 PM PDT by moovova (Chic-fil-A is good...and right.)
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To: grundle

I recently went through EMT training. I had to do two shifts with an ambulance service. What I already knew but had reinforced was this: if you are not actually in the process of dying, don’t call the ambulance. You probably won’t get to the hospital any quicker (at least where I live) and you will get a bill for around $600 to $700. In my very limited experience, the ambulance may very well be tied up taking someone to the hospital who “doesn’t feel good”.


9 posted on 08/02/2012 6:16:42 PM PDT by suthener
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To: BipolarBob

They told him he should be looked at.....I call it hawking for business.


10 posted on 08/02/2012 6:16:50 PM PDT by ontap
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To: grundle

Whoever called the ambulance owes the bill. If the kid didn’t call the ambulance and didn’t approve the charge, he owes nothing for the ride.


11 posted on 08/02/2012 6:16:50 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Legalize Freedom!!)
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To: madison10

Where are the kid’s parents? Aren’t they going to help out?


With the luck this kid is having they will probably send him their sons bill also.

I am (well I used to be) sure someone will do the right thing here - is this the one where he left his ‘station’ and got fired for his efforts?


12 posted on 08/02/2012 6:17:10 PM PDT by xrmusn (6/98 "It is virtually impossible to clean the pond as long as the pigs are still crapping in it")
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To: suthener

But if you do have a problem, they will see you in the ER right away if you come in an ambulance, while it may be 3-4 hours if you are driven in. (Besides, we live in a rural area, and pay an annual subscription. Haven’t used it yet, by God’s grace....)


13 posted on 08/02/2012 6:23:16 PM PDT by DeaconBenjamin (A trillion here, a trillion there, soon you're NOT talking real money)
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To: grundle

I don’t see a problem with this story one bit. He did save a kid which is great but he went to the hospital and needs to pay up. What does he think? He should get to go free? People do things everyday that are considered great and end up in the hospital and must pay for the bill or the insurance company. Goodness what is going on with America when we have people complaining about such things. I guess he is a big government lover who expects the tax payer to pay his bill.


14 posted on 08/02/2012 6:26:55 PM PDT by napscoordinator (GO TO CHIC-FIL-A 1 AUGUST FOR BREAKFAST, LUNCH OR DINNER (OR ALL))
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To: muir_redwoods

Whoever called the ambulance owes the bill.

Why? If you call the cops do you owe attorneys fees for someone that gets arrested?


15 posted on 08/02/2012 6:27:38 PM PDT by goseminoles
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To: BipolarBob
"So exactly why is it the lifeguards bill....."

It appears this article is either blatantly pimping for the kid's bill to get paid, or is just horribly written (sound familiar?).

At no place does it say he was WORKING as a lifeguard, only that he is one elsewhere. Therefore, he was not in official capacity, only as a good sam.

Also, it does not say if the 12 yo was also charged.

A pox on crappy journalists.

16 posted on 08/02/2012 6:34:50 PM PDT by diogenes ghost
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To: Average Al

ROFLMAO!


17 posted on 08/02/2012 6:38:12 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (What if there is no tomorrow? There wasn't one today.)
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To: grundle

He went to the ER adn was checked out. Sorry, but he pays.


18 posted on 08/02/2012 6:40:05 PM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: BipolarBob

READ the article. The lifeguard complained of a headache and also went to the hospital. I’m sure the 12 year olds family were billed too.


19 posted on 08/02/2012 6:41:40 PM PDT by I Drive Too Fast
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To: luvbach1
Looks like you didn't read the article with the poorly misleading headline either. The 17 year old lifeguard complained of a headache and ALSO went to the hospital where he was billed $2,583 for his care. Who knows how much the family of the 12 year old who almost drowned was billed.

Me thinks this article is a sympathy play for the hospital to forgo the bill. I guess we will see.

20 posted on 08/02/2012 6:47:09 PM PDT by I Drive Too Fast
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To: goseminoles

That’s a very poor analogy. Cops don’t usually send bills; ambulance companies do. Whoever called them, hired them and that’s who owes the fee. If I hired a photographer to take your picture would you owe their fee or would I?


21 posted on 08/02/2012 6:49:21 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Legalize Freedom!!)
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To: ontap

“Bill over $8,000.”

Hope everything turned out okay.

6 weeks ago my grandson fell off a 35’ rock cliff near Angels Camp (Yosemite area). His face broke the fall on the rocks below. The rescue team could not reach him from the ground so they had to be lowered into the ravine and ‘basket’ the boy out and airlifted to the nearest hospital in Modesto.

Cost of the rescue totaled $23,000! Thankfully, his insurance covered all but $400.00.


22 posted on 08/02/2012 6:49:21 PM PDT by panaxanax (Voting 'Third Party' will ensure a Communist-Marxist-Socialist dominated Supreme Court!)
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To: rmlew

I missed that the lifeguard was examined in the ER too. But his share of a 15-mile ambulance ride was over $1,900? Something doesn’t compute.


23 posted on 08/02/2012 6:51:01 PM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: grundle
To save further freepers from jumping to conclusions, lets look at the facts from this misleading headline.

The 12 year old nearly drowned.
The 17 year old lifeguard jumped in and saved him.
The 17 year old lifeguard complained of a headache and ALSO went to the ER for treatment.

Voila, that is where he got a bill for nearly $2,600.

Disclaimer - I HAVE also misread or not read articles too. Hey, nobody's perfect ;-)

24 posted on 08/02/2012 6:51:47 PM PDT by I Drive Too Fast
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To: suthener

When I left a hospital after a short stay I wanted to ride home in my daughter’s car (I was fully well enough to do so) but the hospital insisted that I use an ambulance. Got a bill for $400 for medical transport I didn’t want or need.


25 posted on 08/02/2012 6:54:19 PM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: muir_redwoods

In this case implied consent comes into play. The EMT would have to determine if a reasonable person would want medical care in the other persons condition. Especially if the person was unconscious. The one that receives the treatment foots the bill.


26 posted on 08/02/2012 6:56:07 PM PDT by goseminoles
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To: diogenes ghost
This poorly written article is the result of their good edumacashun.

Even I thought he was an ocean lifeguard, but it appears that wasn't true. He was a lifeguard at the pool.

27 posted on 08/02/2012 6:56:36 PM PDT by I Drive Too Fast
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To: DeaconBenjamin

That “got to ER by ambulance for immediate service” ploy is something illegal aliens use since they don’t pay anything anyway.


28 posted on 08/02/2012 6:57:20 PM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: grundle

All children and certainly all paid lifeguards should have health insurance.


29 posted on 08/02/2012 6:57:28 PM PDT by iowamark
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To: goseminoles

In this case the subject was a minor. Implied consent is pretty shaky especially when the contract is unenforceable. The EMT is not in a position to place his own orders for work and expect others to pay his bill. What if a housepainter decided your house needed painting, painted it and sent you a bill?


30 posted on 08/02/2012 7:02:53 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Legalize Freedom!!)
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To: I Drive Too Fast

I had to reread this three times. I think he was off duty at the beach when this occurred. He’s a lifeguard at the pool. Im not sure if minors can refuse treatment....


31 posted on 08/02/2012 7:03:59 PM PDT by goseminoles
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To: muir_redwoods

I may have misspoke before I read the horribly written article. I thought perhaps the lifeguard was on duty at a municipal beach being paid by tax dollars. I also made the assumption the EMTs in that county are also paid by tax dollars. That’s why I made the initial police analogy.


32 posted on 08/02/2012 7:09:43 PM PDT by goseminoles
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To: luvbach1

People are under the misconception that a doctor has some kind of police/God-like power to have control of your life.

The fact is that the only thing a doctor can force you to do is to get off of his property unless they are able to make the case that you should be institutionalized for being a danger to yourself or others.

We run in to this frequently when running calls at the local Doc-in-the-Box.

You want to leave on your own? Get up and do so.


33 posted on 08/02/2012 7:12:35 PM PDT by Clay Moore (The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of a fool to the left. Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: Clay Moore

Oh I’ve gone against “doctor’s orders” more than once. But not that time.


34 posted on 08/02/2012 7:17:14 PM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

“But if you do have a problem, they will see you in the ER right away if you come in an ambulance...”

Not true. You will still go through triage and may wind up being taken out to the waiting room and sitting there for hours. I have seen it many times.

People get a little ticked over their $800 ambulance ride (got to pay for your ride plus the 2/3 that don’t pay) only to sit in the waiting room waiting to be seen for their stubbed toe.


35 posted on 08/02/2012 7:18:35 PM PDT by Clay Moore (The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of a fool to the left. Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: BipolarBob
So exactly why is it the lifeguards bill when it was the 12 year old drowning swimmer that had the medical attention? What am I missing here? If I stop to help a stranger with their car broke down am I liable for a tow and mechanics bill?

Both of them got medical attention.

From the article:

John had a headache, and the 12-year-old was wrapped in a blanket to warm up. Into the ambulance they both went.

36 posted on 08/02/2012 7:19:17 PM PDT by Bob
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To: I Drive Too Fast

I did read another article (off FR) that didn’t mention any treatment for the lifeguard so didn’t bother to read all of the one linked on FR.


37 posted on 08/02/2012 7:20:35 PM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: panaxanax

Wow! he’s very lucky to have come out of that alive I hope he makes a full recovery!!


38 posted on 08/02/2012 7:21:27 PM PDT by ontap
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To: grundle

I say F’ those who sent him the bill...especially the ambulance...totally out of line. And this is in Vancouver...just wait until the full effect of Obamacare hits us here...


39 posted on 08/02/2012 7:23:37 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: grundle

Who goes to the hospital in an ambulance for a headache? Pay up, dude.


40 posted on 08/02/2012 7:24:19 PM PDT by Sloth (If a tax break counts as "spending" then every time I don't rob a bank should be a "deposit.")
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To: grundle

Too bad they didn’t wash ashore dead a few miles north. It would have been free.


41 posted on 08/02/2012 7:25:16 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: luvbach1
What is funny to me was when I saw Vancouver, I first thought Canada, but the hospital bill would not make sense. Then I looked at the map for the location and this beach is west of Portland, Oregon so the 17 year old was from Vancouver, Washington just north of the Oregon border.

This article was on Yahoo earlier today and many were complaining about the lifeguard getting billed.

42 posted on 08/02/2012 7:25:16 PM PDT by I Drive Too Fast
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To: goseminoles

Had your initial reading been correct, I too would have agreed with your conclusions. I do agree that the article, as does so much of what passes for journalism today, is poorly written.


43 posted on 08/02/2012 7:27:22 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Legalize Freedom!!)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

Pssst, the kid is from Vancouver, Washington. The beach where the near-drowning happened was in Oregon.


44 posted on 08/02/2012 7:27:22 PM PDT by I Drive Too Fast
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To: I Drive Too Fast

Thank you...


45 posted on 08/02/2012 7:58:00 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: napscoordinator
I agree with your assessment. He was properly billed.

At 17 he's probably none the wiser of how these situations work. He should've declined treatment at the scene but it appears he was talked into going to a hospital to be examined.

The article doesn't say if he has insurance, through his parents or other outlet, that might cover the bill. It's a poorly written piece designed to get someone else to pay.

46 posted on 08/02/2012 8:19:08 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Pontius Pilate 'voters' are arrogant, delusional, lilly-livered collaborators.)
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To: I Drive Too Fast

Wouldn’t they bill his employer?!? He got the headache directly from saving a drowning kid while on duty. It’s a work-related medical issue.


47 posted on 08/02/2012 8:38:10 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

John Clark is a lifeguard at the Firstenburg Community Center pool and the Marshall Community Center in Vancouver, Washington. He was not a lifeguard at the beach (I thought he was too), but he was just there and reacted using his trining..


48 posted on 08/02/2012 9:23:12 PM PDT by I Drive Too Fast
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To: I Drive Too Fast

He used his training too.


49 posted on 08/02/2012 9:24:21 PM PDT by I Drive Too Fast
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To: Sloth
Who goes to the hospital in an ambulance for a headache? Pay up, dude.

After the bill arrived I think the parents ALSO had a major headache.

50 posted on 08/02/2012 9:27:47 PM PDT by I Drive Too Fast
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