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Milwaukee gun range voluntarily reports law-abiding customers to local police
Ammoland ^ | August. 2, 2012 | Ammoland

Posted on 08/02/2012 8:45:21 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

Wisconsin -(Ammoland.com)-Wisconsin Carry has learned of some concerning information that we would like to pass along to our membership and right-to-carry interested folks in southeast Wisconsin.

In a recently published Milwaukee Journal Sentinel article which you can read here

It was reported that the former Badger Guns (now Brew City Shooters Supply) http://www.brewcityshooterssupply.com/ has, since 2009, been reporting the names of every customer that comes in to use their firing range to the West Milwaukee Police Department.

In this time over 25,000 customer names were reported to West Milwaukee Police Chief Dennis Nasci who ran a background check on each through “his system”.

So far in 2012 it was reported more than 8,800 customer name records have been supplied to West Milwaukee Police by Brew City Shooters Supply to have a criminal background check run on them.

We do not know yet, how else West Milwaukee Police have been using these records they have been given by Brew City Shooters Supply, nor if they are storing those customer names for future reference. We also do not know what other purposes West Milwaukee Police might choose to use these customer name lists for in the future.

(Excerpt) Read more at ammoland.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: 2012; badgerguns; banglist; brewcityshooters; lping; milwaukee; rapeofliberty; tyranny; wisconsin
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1 posted on 08/02/2012 8:45:25 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY; Joe Brower; Nachum; marktwain

Just being a good STASI.


2 posted on 08/02/2012 8:47:59 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Sounds like it’s time to put Brew City Shooter’s Supply out of business and ensure that the proprieter’s name and deeds are forever known amongst the firearm enthusiasts of Milwaukee.


3 posted on 08/02/2012 8:50:03 PM PDT by RC one (this space intentionally left blank)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

That range is out of business as soon as that datum gets around to the customers.


4 posted on 08/02/2012 8:51:00 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Great marketing gimmick!


5 posted on 08/02/2012 8:52:39 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I am pretty unhappy right this minute.


6 posted on 08/02/2012 8:53:09 PM PDT by ozaukeemom (Will there even be an election in 2016?)
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To: Travis McGee

Velkome to Amerikka, Comrade. Papers, please.


7 posted on 08/02/2012 8:55:34 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

This is utterly disgusting.


8 posted on 08/02/2012 8:56:32 PM PDT by 101stAirborneVet
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To: Free ThinkerNY

In related news, the Brew Shooter’s property is now on the market at a fire sale price, no pun intended...


9 posted on 08/02/2012 8:57:37 PM PDT by Flightdeck (If you hear me yell "Eject, Eject, Eject!" the last two will be echos...)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Save for later.


10 posted on 08/02/2012 8:58:41 PM PDT by TexasBeth
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To: Travis McGee

Welcome to the new East Germany. Paranoia has become common sense.

It is going to get a lot uglier.


11 posted on 08/02/2012 9:00:02 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: GladesGuru

did customers sign a release stating this would be done?

if not, someone should sue their asses.


12 posted on 08/02/2012 9:00:32 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

bump


13 posted on 08/02/2012 9:03:06 PM PDT by glasseye
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Incredible breach of faith. Boycott and shut the a-holes down.


14 posted on 08/02/2012 9:03:38 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Milwaukee gun range voluntarily reports law-abiding customers to local police

So I'm sure they'll soon be out of business and a new proprietor or their existing competitors will do a better job of serving the customers. See, the market takes care of stuff like this.

15 posted on 08/02/2012 9:03:38 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Travis McGee

Speechless. Simply speechless.


16 posted on 08/02/2012 9:03:46 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Stories like this really make me appreciate living in Pinal County, Arizona. The City of Casa Grande has a pretty nice shooting range that is part of their park system is open to the public. The city police and the Border patrol use a fenced off area on the north end. Nice covered shooting lanes. Nicely marked with a mountain for a backstop. Range is open from about 7:00AM until dusk. no check in, no range master, no big brother watching. Just adults allowed to be act like adults. In the few years I have lived here, there have been no problems and to my knowledge no “accidents”. I make use of it 2-4 days a week even in the summer.
Damn, it is good to live in a free (for the most part)state.
17 posted on 08/02/2012 9:08:26 PM PDT by Tupelo (TeaPartier ..... but no longer a Republican)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

It really infuriates me how many companies we pay whose policy it is to yield any information requested by police on the mere basis of a request, no warrant required. Who the hell are they to waive OTHER PEOPLE’S RIGHTS for them? How do they not have a fiduciary duty to act as conservatively as the law allows in protecting the interests of THOSE WHO PAY THEM???


18 posted on 08/02/2012 9:09:16 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Travis McGee

Ha, if my range was doing this... Well, it would no longer be my range. The police might also consider that someone who uses a range fairly often is probably a very good shot, well versed in handling his or her firearms.


19 posted on 08/02/2012 9:09:45 PM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

outrageous!

Are there very many other places to shoot around there?


20 posted on 08/02/2012 9:13:51 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

You need to do a WI ping, not sure how to do it or I would.


21 posted on 08/02/2012 9:14:50 PM PDT by ConservativeChris (I feel like Marvin Boggs!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
I hope concerned shooters put the word out about this place.

I know that I'd NEVER go back to a range if I learned that they pulled this crap.

22 posted on 08/02/2012 9:22:23 PM PDT by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Bookmark


23 posted on 08/02/2012 9:25:14 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion or tools of deceit)
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To: Tupelo

We have the same setup here in Yuma County with Adare Range. It is state owned. The BP, YCSO, and YPD have their own range on the west end. It’s free to use. The only thing asked is you police up your brass before you leave. I friken love living in Arizona!


24 posted on 08/02/2012 9:30:39 PM PDT by sean327 (God created all men equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: ozaukeemom

Yer a criminale now in the eyes of the brewers.


25 posted on 08/02/2012 9:31:52 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I’ve used that range on occasion and never had to give my name. I just paid the fee and went on in.

Wait, someone is knocking on my door...


26 posted on 08/02/2012 9:35:32 PM PDT by MediaMole
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To: Still Thinking
" See, the market takes care of stuff like this."

I sort of agree with you but if the market could take care of stuff like this we wouldn't be living in the festering toilet bowl called the United States of America.

The 50% of us that are honest, tax paying, hardworking and moral are going to have to get very aggressive and confrontational - or we are going to get steamrolled.

27 posted on 08/02/2012 9:38:55 PM PDT by ciaocotc
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To: smokingfrog

This is the only convenient range in the central part of Milwaukee.

There is another indoor range a few miles west, but it’s much smaller. Otherwise, there are some private clubs south of the city and west of the city. There is an indoor range in Waukesha and a public range on the west side of Waukesha County.


28 posted on 08/02/2012 9:39:15 PM PDT by MediaMole
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To: Tupelo

We went four-wheeling two summers ago somewhere east and south of Phoenix way off the beaten path and happened onto several different groups of guys who had set up shooting areas off the beaten track. Several dressed like they were maybe military. Standing by one of their pick-ups was an obviously not happy guy staring down at and periodically kicking a very flat tire - stray bullet maybe?

Lived out there for five years. Most of the state is awesome. Would love to move back.


29 posted on 08/02/2012 9:42:48 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: ozaukeemom

“I am pretty unhappy right this minute.”

So was I so I looked then up and sent them a “little note.”


30 posted on 08/02/2012 9:47:41 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: ciaocotc

Oh, I agree — I was just being facetious. Read my following post to see how I really feel about other people waiving our privacy rights for us. Any time something like that happens, it makes me want to break into their computer systems (not that I have the know-how to do that) and spread all THEIR information far and wide. When they complain, you just say “What, that’s what you did to your customers — did you do something to them you wouldn’t appreciate having done to you??”


31 posted on 08/02/2012 9:57:18 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Three words: Class Action Lawsuit.


32 posted on 08/02/2012 10:00:15 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (If Guns Kill People then Cars Drive Drunk)
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To: ciaocotc; Free ThinkerNY

Believe it or not, it was the actions of a fictional character that first got me thinking about this issue (voluntarily yielding to LEO’s who are after someone with whom you have an existing relationship). Dirk Struan, the captain of a trading ship in several of James Clavell’s books, had a man on his ship accused of some ill deed. He told the cops who came to claim the guy that if they could prove the guy’s guilt, they could hang him right there on the ship, but that absent that proof, not only would he not passively surrender the guy, he and the rest of the crew would fight his capture with force of arms. I got to thinking Isn’t that really the way it should be? If you know someone well and have never seen any evidence of criminality on their part, don’t you owe it to them not to take the state’s word over theirs unless some proof can be provided? Or as in the type cases I referred to earlier, at least require the cops to jump through the hoops to comply with the laws created to protect us from over-zealous enforcement?


33 posted on 08/02/2012 10:07:32 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: mylife

Yep. I went there once after I made a purchase. I am not impressed that they got my money and shared my info. Actually, I am angry. I doubt an email will mean a thing, but we may go there and discuss it with them. Definitely will not be spending any more money there.


34 posted on 08/02/2012 10:07:47 PM PDT by ozaukeemom (Will there even be an election in 2016?)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

That’s why I go shoot at the ranch.


35 posted on 08/02/2012 10:09:22 PM PDT by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: MediaMole

With all the notoriety Badger Guns had, they probably had to make a deal with the cops to even stay open. I guess I never thought they did this.
There is a gun club in the next town over, I think. I better check them out.


36 posted on 08/02/2012 10:15:19 PM PDT by ozaukeemom (Will there even be an election in 2016?)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
"West Milwaukee Police Chief Dennis Nasci who ran a background check on each through 'his system'"

Looks like he is planning to round up those guns when the right time comes.

37 posted on 08/02/2012 10:27:15 PM PDT by UnwashedPeasant (Don't nuke me, bro)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
In this time over 25,000 customer names were reported to West Milwaukee Police Chief Dennis Nasci who ran a background check on each through “his system”.

Uh, don't they need probable cause to run you through the "system?" Or are we all suspects of something now?

38 posted on 08/02/2012 10:43:46 PM PDT by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: Travis McGee

Somebody needs to hit the West Milwaukee police with a FOIA request to find out what they have done with that information and what records were kept.


39 posted on 08/02/2012 11:07:54 PM PDT by SC Swamp Fox (Aim small, miss small.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
I wondered why a gun shop owner would voluntarily adopt a policy so likely to destroy his business.

The story is here. The comments are good.

40 posted on 08/02/2012 11:15:15 PM PDT by TChad
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To: Travis McGee
So hows the next book coming along? :)

Looking forward to it. BTW, I did enjoy Castigo Cay. Not looking forward to life on the mainland WHEN it comes to pass, but we may have some BITS before that happens. I'm rooting for the American People to short circuit that first .

41 posted on 08/02/2012 11:20:36 PM PDT by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I smell a VERY expensive lawsuit brewing here... Against the City of Milwaukee, the Police Department, AND the business owner.


42 posted on 08/03/2012 12:47:29 AM PDT by LibertyRocks
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To: Free ThinkerNY; Hunton Peck; Diana in Wisconsin; P from Sheb; Shady; DonkeyBonker; Wisconsinlady; ..

Wisconsin gun range ping

FReep Mail me if you want on, or off, this Wisconsin interest ping list.


43 posted on 08/03/2012 3:08:06 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic (ABO)
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To: LibertyRocks

Sounds like the ‘new’ owner wanted to play nice with the local PD and try to get the heat off him from the Badger Guns/Outdoors stigma.

BTW, this is West Milwaukee a postage stamp size municipality almost entitely inside the city limits of Milwaukee.

I don’t have a problem with them turning over names to the local PD per se as long as it clearly posted in their shop and waivers you usually have to sign and everyone knows they do this. Let the marketplace decide.


44 posted on 08/03/2012 3:42:26 AM PDT by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation
"Three words: Class Action Lawsuit."

Two words: criminal charges.
It is a federal crime to use the NCIC background check system in the manner described.
45 posted on 08/03/2012 4:38:34 AM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: UnwashedPeasant

The Smith and Wesson gun range was shut down in Springfield MA because it was found that some of the walk ins were, indeed, felons.

Now I have to practice my pistol at the outdoor range, ten more miles away.


46 posted on 08/03/2012 4:58:02 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (I just hate our government. All of them. Republican and Democrat.)
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To: vette6387

I would want to know that the dates of record run is the same or close to the date of range time. This could be a good way to track someone for personal purposes, which is a felony.


47 posted on 08/03/2012 5:00:38 AM PDT by healy61
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To: Doomonyou

This is a violation of the National Crime Information Center (NCIC) policy. They have no business using this for such a fishing expedition.

A formal complaint needs to be raised, and escalated through a Congressional representative, demanding an NCIC audit of the use of the system by the WMPD. They should lose their access to the system.

And, oh yeah, sue them.


48 posted on 08/03/2012 5:30:50 AM PDT by SargeK
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To: Doomonyou

TNB, the next book, is the 2nd Dan Kilmer novel. I hope it’s ready in less than a year.


49 posted on 08/03/2012 6:53:13 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

A lawsuit is in order. The customers had a right to expect privacy of their names. I would bet there are local laws about conducting investigations of persons not related to a crime as well, so sue the police.


50 posted on 08/03/2012 7:05:44 AM PDT by CodeToad (History says our end is near.)
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