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25 Examples of What America Would Be Like if We Were All Christian Conservative Tea Partiers
Townhall.com ^ | August 3, 2012 | John Hawkins

Posted on 08/03/2012 4:42:44 AM PDT by Kaslin

If every American was a Christian conservative Tea Partier...

1) …There would be fewer regulations, lower taxes, a business-friendly environment, and a much smaller government that would lead to considerably stronger economic growth and job creation. In fact, we'd probably have to dramatically increase the number of work permits we hand out to foreign workers, not because there are "jobs Americans won't do" (which don't actually exist), but because so many Americans would be employed that we'd have to bring in more people to do all of the available work.

2) ...The richest Americans would have more money. Of course, so would the middle class and the poor. In fact, the only Americans who wouldn't benefit economically would be the Americans who spend their lives relying on the government, instead of their own effort, to pay their bills.

3) ...We'd have some form of a Balanced Budget Amendment to insure that we don't have a deficit or a debt.

4) ...We'd have a much flatter, simpler tax code that you could fill out on a single sheet of paper.

5) ...Welfare and food stamps would still exist, but there wouldn't be as much need for them, it would be considered shameful to take either, and you can be sure that people would have to work for every hand-out they receive.

6) ...Social Security would be privatized and invested. That means the people who put nothing in would have nothing to take out, but the people who do pay in would have a lot more money to withdraw.

7) ...We'd still put some research money into alternative energy, but we'd also work to build a lot more nuclear power plants and we'd encourage private industry to produce more clean coal and natural gas. Oil would also be much cheaper because we'd have already drilled ANWR, the keystone pipeline would be built, and we'd be opening up federal land to environmentally responsible drilling at every opportunity. This would lead to much lower energy bills for the average American.

8) ...We'd have the same sort of "loser pays" legal system that’s practiced in much of the rest of the civilized world. That would dramatically reduce the number of lawsuits and the cost of legal insurance.

9) ...There would be a lot less government workers and the ones we’d have would make less on average than the taxpayers paying their salary.

10) ...Health care would be much cheaper and more efficient because you could buy insurance across state lines; we'd have tort reform, health care savings accounts, and tax credits for health care would go to individuals instead of companies, which means that you wouldn't lose your insurance if you lose your job.

11) ...The fence would be built, the border would be secure, anyone who overstayed his VISA would be tracked down and deported, and illegal aliens who did make it into the country would be forever barred from visiting here legally or becoming citizens.

12) ...Legal immigration would be faster, cheaper, and much more efficient. We'd also be selecting new American immigrants based on merit instead of rewarding people for breaking our laws or allowing them to come here because their son or cousin already managed to become a citizen.

13) ...English would be the national language.

14) ...People would look at you like you’re an idiot, as they should today, if you suggest that the Constitution is a living document. You'd also see a lot more Constitutional amendments because the Supreme Court would stick to the law as written unless it was amended.

15) ...The crime rate would be so low because of the lack of criminals and the prevalence of guns that in much of the country, people wouldn't bother to lock their doors.

16) ...The death penalty would be applied much more liberally for terrible crimes and it wouldn't take 15 years of appeals to carry it out.

17) ...All people would be welcome to practice their religious faith with no official state-run religion, just as the Founding Fathers intended. So, yes, you could have a manger in front of the town hall at Christmas and the Ten Commandments on a court house wall, and teachers in public school could teach from the Bible in class when it was appropriate.

18) ...Not only would there be no gay marriage, we'd be taking steps to strengthen marriage -- like getting rid of no-fault divorce and it would be acknowledged that a mother and a father would do a better job of raising kids than any other combination.

19) ....Children would be taught abstinence in school, having kids out of wedlock would be frowned upon, and abortion would be legal only in the case of rape, incest, or danger to the life of the mother.

20) ...Kids would start out school with the Pledge of Allegiance and a daily prayer.

21) ...We'd have school vouchers so that we could introduce competition into our school systems and allow all parents to send their kids to the same kind of schools that the rich do today. We'd also spend a lot more time teaching kids reading, writing, arithmetic, history, and economics and spend a lot less time worrying about their self-esteem.

22) ...You wouldn't have terrorists, communists, and people who hate America teaching at our universities.

23) ...Racism would practically be non-existent, there would be no need for the NAACP, LA RAZA, or Affirmative Action and people would, "not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."

24) ...We'd have safe water, safe food, clean air, and a clean environment, but we'd put an end to the years of legal challenges to new building projects and people having their land declared a "wetland" because the ground gets soggy for a few days a year.

25) ...There would be no public unions. Private unions would, of course, still exist, but no one would be forced to join and employers, if they so desire, would be able to fire everyone in the union and get a new work force.


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What a nice dream
1 posted on 08/03/2012 4:42:48 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
15) ...The crime rate would be so low because of the lack of criminals and the prevalence of guns that in much of the country, people wouldn't bother to lock their doors.

15 1/2) ...Ammunition would be a LOT cheaper.
2 posted on 08/03/2012 4:45:21 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Obama hates Mexicans (Fast and Furious))
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To: Kaslin

Too bad we have the first amendment. What a bitch that thing is.


3 posted on 08/03/2012 4:45:58 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (I just hate our government. All of them. Republican and Democrat.)
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To: Kaslin
Freedom is racist.


4 posted on 08/03/2012 4:50:58 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Obama does not have the work ethic to be Anti-Christ.)
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To: Kaslin

A balanced budget would be nice.

Then we could out grow the debt over time.


5 posted on 08/03/2012 4:51:28 AM PDT by moonshot925
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To: Kaslin

You know, I’d settle for Switzerland, which is more or less what you described.


6 posted on 08/03/2012 4:53:36 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The Democratic Party strongly supports full civil rights for necro-Americans!)
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To: Vermont Lt
Too bad we have the first amendment. What a bitch that thing is.

Care to explain that statement, or just have us keep thinking you're an idiot?

7 posted on 08/03/2012 4:55:04 AM PDT by libertylover (The problem with Obama is not that his skin is too black, it's that his ideas are too RED.)
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To: Kaslin

After you’ve instituted #13, re-read and correct #9.

Also, why bother with #17 as it says, “If every American was (sic) a Christian conservative Tea Partier...


8 posted on 08/03/2012 5:00:19 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Legalize Freedom!!)
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To: libertylover

While you can dream that the rest of the country is a Christian Tea Party, there are plenty of folks who don’t want to live in a single religion world.

And since when did the Tea Party take on a religious affiliation.


9 posted on 08/03/2012 5:00:44 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (I just hate our government. All of them. Republican and Democrat.)
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To: libertylover; Vermont Lt

Yes, Vermont Lt, explain what you meant about the first amendment.


10 posted on 08/03/2012 5:01:19 AM PDT by kitkat
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

They are still being overrun by muzzies there.


11 posted on 08/03/2012 5:05:31 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: MuttTheHoople

Freedom exposes the disparities in cultural virtues
by rewarding prudent behavior choices and punishing imprudent behavior choices.

So, it’s more “culturist” than it is “racist”.


12 posted on 08/03/2012 5:06:26 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: kitkat

The congress can make make any laws prohibiting the free exercise of religion.

So a 100% christian nation would be impossible.


13 posted on 08/03/2012 5:07:41 AM PDT by moonshot925
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To: kitkat

The congress can not make any laws prohibiting the free exercise of religion.

So a 100% christian nation would be impossible.


14 posted on 08/03/2012 5:07:50 AM PDT by moonshot925
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To: libertylover

“Too bad we have the first amendment. What a bitch that thing is.

Care to explain that statement, or just have us keep thinking you’re an idiot? “

Perhaps he is talking about the idea in the title of the article that we all be Christians. I am as conservative as any tea partier, but am not a Christain or a member of any other religion and I agree with all 25 points. Nothing against Christains, but sometimes the think they have a monopoly on morals and conservative values.


15 posted on 08/03/2012 5:08:43 AM PDT by Okieshooter
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To: Vermont Lt

That’s not what it means. It means living in a nation that embraces its obvious Christian heritage, and even those who aren’t Christian, at least having respect for Christianity as opposed to outright hatred of anything religious. Like the way the country was when the Founders established it.


16 posted on 08/03/2012 5:09:06 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Kaslin

The lack of opposition... would turn us against each other. We are only human.


17 posted on 08/03/2012 5:11:55 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: moonshot925

>>>The congress can make make any laws prohibiting the free exercise of religion.

So a 100% christian nation would be impossible.>>>

I believe you meant the congress can NOT make any laws prohibiting the free exercise of religion, and if I am correct, I agree with you completely.


18 posted on 08/03/2012 5:12:42 AM PDT by kitkat
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To: kitkat
Yes you are correct.

Amendment I

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

19 posted on 08/03/2012 5:19:35 AM PDT by moonshot925
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To: Kaslin

For the most part, this describes the USA of the 40’s and 50’s.To those of us who were around then, they were truly golden years...when men wore jackets, ties and hats to Yankee Stadium.


20 posted on 08/03/2012 5:19:56 AM PDT by Salvey
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To: Secret Agent Man

I actually have no problem with ANY of the points. And I did read them all. My point is that it should read that we are all conservative tea party Americans. I personally have an issue with labeling things Christian. And I am a Christian.

I behave as a Christian (not calling others idiots is a good example.). I go to a Christian church. I actually read the bible. And I know that it is critical that our government not establish a religion (thus the first amendment comment.). By stating that you support that—and then go on to state that you can have religious displays—all based on your version of religion—concerns me.

When I see statements about how great things would be if we all worshipped the same version of God, it just gives me the willies.


21 posted on 08/03/2012 5:20:36 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (I just hate our government. All of them. Republican and Democrat.)
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To: Kaslin
... having kids out of wedlock would be frowned upon, and abortion would be legal only in the case of rape, incest, or danger to the life of the mother.

Since when is it a Christian or conservative principle that it is acceptable to kill a child for the crime of his father?

Cordially,

22 posted on 08/03/2012 5:24:44 AM PDT by Diamond (He has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people,)
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To: moonshot925
The congress can not make any laws prohibiting the free exercise of religion. So a 100% christian nation would be impossible.

No, it's not impossible. We'll simply have to serve God voluntarily instead of being forced to do so by the government.
23 posted on 08/03/2012 5:26:13 AM PDT by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: Kaslin

Sex and drugs and Rock n Roll.


24 posted on 08/03/2012 5:26:45 AM PDT by Phlap (REDNECK@LIBARTS.EDU)
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To: Salvey

As a Red Sox fan, I cannot comprehend this desire to go to Yankee Stadium.

And...really...would you want to wear a suit coat in the right field bleachers of Fenway park? Things were nicer back then, I will grant you that. But some changes...like wearing shorts and a tee shirt to a ball game are changes for the better. But, I still wish they wear caps with the bill facing forward.


25 posted on 08/03/2012 5:30:50 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (I just hate our government. All of them. Republican and Democrat.)
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To: Vermont Lt
When I see statements about how great things would be if we all worshipped the same version of God, it just gives me the willies.

If you are truly a Christian, who else would you have others worship?

26 posted on 08/03/2012 5:35:43 AM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: Diamond

I agree and add that if our justice system worked properly there would be far fewer cases of sexual predadation that resulted in unwanted pregnancies.


27 posted on 08/03/2012 5:46:11 AM PDT by Josephat (`)
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To: Okieshooter

I have to agree with you there...

I do not want a christian ( i am one ) or anyone else dictating to me what I should think, feel and do..

I do not want one group of christian’s dictating and forcing their personal moral standards upon me.

This is why I like the tea party. They are at war against big government. This is why it consists of both pubs and dems.

I do not want the so called “moral majority” to take charge of this grass roots protest.

Start your own “morality” party.


28 posted on 08/03/2012 5:49:07 AM PDT by joe fonebone (I am the 15%)
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To: papertyger

I want people to be free to worship whomever or whatever they want. I know I am supposed to be a missionary...I guess I come up short in that aspect.


29 posted on 08/03/2012 5:50:22 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (I just hate our government. All of them. Republican and Democrat.)
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To: Kaslin
"...All people would be welcome to practice their religious faith with no official state-run religion, just as the Founding Fathers intended. So, yes, you could have a manger in front of the town hall at Christmas and the Ten Commandments on a court house wall, and teachers in public school could teach from the Bible in class when it was appropriate."

This one is confused. These are not examples of people being free to practice their faith. These are examples of the state practicing religion. That's why they are a problem in the first place.

You can put a manger in your yard. That doesn't mean the town hall should.

30 posted on 08/03/2012 5:52:55 AM PDT by mlo
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To: Vermont Lt

YES! Thank you.

This is not now, nor I pray will EVER be, a theocracy. While the founders were clear in their personal beliefs and discussed them openly, they were equally clear in stating there is to be NO government-established religion. Thank GOD for that..


31 posted on 08/03/2012 5:56:23 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: Salvey

Why would anyone want to wear all that stuff to a baseball game in July?


32 posted on 08/03/2012 6:00:41 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: Okieshooter
they have a monopoly on morals and conservative values

Christians know the creator and perfect example of them

33 posted on 08/03/2012 6:01:58 AM PDT by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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To: mlo
A manger in front of a town hall on Christmas, the Ten Commandments on a court house wall, and “public school” teachers teaching from the bible are not examples of the state establishing a religion. This is the fundamental problem with a lot of conservatives today, they've conceded the moral high ground because they believe progressive lies.
34 posted on 08/03/2012 6:11:33 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Vermont Lt

I personally have an issue with labeling things Christian. And I am a Christian.

Sure.

35 posted on 08/03/2012 6:11:33 AM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: SE Mom

The government is in the process of building a theocracy based on secular humanism.


36 posted on 08/03/2012 6:13:07 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: Okieshooter
"monopoly"

I'll second your opinions and also add I don't like the idea of public school teachers touting their own supposedly private feelings about religion to captive students. I don't mind the pledge of allegiance, but I draw the line at public school teachers starting the day off with a prayer. Pray at a parochial school ( where I went for twelve years) if you want to go to school to pray. Keep them out of public schools.

37 posted on 08/03/2012 6:24:22 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: Vermont Lt
I want people to be free to worship whomever or whatever they want. I know I am supposed to be a missionary...I guess I come up short in that aspect.

No where in the post is there an indication or implication of being Christian other than by free choice.

As a Christian you are supposed to be an example of the benefit of Christianity, encouraging others to choose Christianinty of their own free will. You are a missionary through your actions and words and the example you present. By implying coercion and hiding behind freedom, you abdicate your responsibility, lightening your load.

38 posted on 08/03/2012 6:24:44 AM PDT by CMAC51
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To: Vermont Lt; kitkat; Secret Agent Man; Okieshooter; moonshot925; metmom; boatbums; caww; ...

The first amendment is no way forbids a 100% Christian nation (even if it be theoretical) - if all the people willingly chose to be so.

What the first amendment forbids in this regards is hindering religious practice of faith (though there can be moral limits to that, reflective of an underlying ethos of the gov.) and which practice includes evangelization, and it also forbids Congress establishing a formal religion, thus requiring souls to belong to it. But which was not intended to forbid States from affirming religious faith at all.

And as it is impossible for the gov. not to operate out of an ideology which somewhat functions as religion, and which usually finds its roots therein, and as in a Democratic Republic those who make laws are elected, directly or indirectly, then the laws that the gov. makes will be reflective of the beliefs (and the wisdom thereby) of the people.

This form of government also presupposes that the people will be sufficiently controlled from within by God and conscience so that they need not be controlled from without by the government (God-control vs. gun control).

And that they will be guided by wisdom so that they do not elect such things as lying politicians promising a socialist utopia, and or whose interpretation of the first amendment replaces Christian morality with the ever-morphing immorality of secular humanism.

A difference here is that in a Republic, government is sppsd to be limited by constitution or charter which reflects the Founder’s ethos, even when those who concur with it are a Minority, while in a Democracy the Majority has unlimited power over the Minority. However, in practical application the Majority can elect those who interpret the constitution as supporting the current Majority view.

John Quincy Adams — “In the chain of human events, the birthday of the nation is indissolubly linked with the birthday of the Savior. The Declaration of Independence laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity.”

“We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not on the power of government...[but] upon the capacity of each and every one of us to govern ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God.”

John Adams — “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”

“We have no government armed with power capable of contending with passions unbridled by morality and religion.”

“Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone, which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand.”

Abraham Lincoln — “It is the duty of nations, as well as of men, to own their dependence upon the overruling power of God and to recognize the sublime truth announced in the Holy Scriptures and proven by all history, that those nations only are blessed whose God is the Lord.”

“I know that the Lord is always on the side of right. But it is my constant anxiety and prayer that I - and this nation - should be on the Lord’s side.”

Alexis de Tocqueville — “The Americans combine the notions of Christianity and of liberty so intimately in their minds, that it is impossible to make them conceive the one without the other; and with them this conviction does not spring from that barren traditionary faith which seems to vegetate in the soul rather than to live.” (Democracy in America, Volume I Chapter XVII (1835)

Daniel Webster — “If there is anything in my thoughts or style to commend, the credit is due to my parents for instilling in me an early love of the Scriptures. If we abide by the principles taught in the Bible, our country will go on prospering and to prosper; but if we and our posterity neglect its instructions and authority, no man can tell how sudden a catastrophe may overwhelm us and bury all our glory in profound obscurity.”

More: http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/Quotes_compare.pdf

In addition is the dictum attributed (but disputed) to Alexander Fraser Tytler ( 1747 - 1813) a Scottish lawyer, writer, historian, and professor:

“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largess from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy collapses over loose fiscal policy...always followed by a dictatorship.”


39 posted on 08/03/2012 6:26:12 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute actual sinner, + trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Kaslin

(Lots of us Jewish Tea Partiers around, too. Just sayin’)


40 posted on 08/03/2012 6:29:49 AM PDT by golux
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To: Salvey

They might have worn them to Yankee Stadium in the forties and early fifties, but I doubt they were wearing them by the late fifties...judging by photos I’ve seen from that time period. I went to major league games in Milwaukee and the Twin Cities in the early sixties, and few if no men wore hats other than baseball hats or straw hats. I didn’t see anybody in a suit and tie sitting in the stands. My dad wore a fedora/suit and tie to work, but he sure didn’t wear one anywhere else.


41 posted on 08/03/2012 6:31:38 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: Vermont Lt
And I know that it is critical that our government not establish a religion (thus the first amendment comment.). By stating that you support that—

Please help me out. I read the post and did not see anything that indicated government could, should or would establish a religion. You apparently did. Can you enlighten me by providing the direct quote?

42 posted on 08/03/2012 6:31:38 AM PDT by CMAC51
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To: Durus

If you want the teacher of your kids quoting from the bible, then send them to a private school. If I had a kid in the public school system, I do not want teachers leading prayer sessions even if it’s just one prayer thank you very much.


43 posted on 08/03/2012 6:34:15 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: daniel1212
"...always followed by a dictatorship"

The grand daddy of them all may even right now be waiting in the wings.

44 posted on 08/03/2012 6:35:53 AM PDT by mitch5501 ("make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things ye shall never fall")
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To: Kaslin
If every American was a Christian conservative Tea Partier...

If this line were amended to read:

"If every American practiced the principles of Christianity, conservatism and the Tea Party..."

most of the negative comments would be baseless.

45 posted on 08/03/2012 6:38:11 AM PDT by CMAC51
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To: Okieshooter

“The first amendment is no way forbids a 100% Christian nation (even if it be theoretical) - if all the people willingly chose to be so.”

I chose not to be so. So please spare me the preaching. I do believe in a Creator, just not exactly the one Christians believe in.


46 posted on 08/03/2012 6:40:46 AM PDT by Okieshooter
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To: daniel1212

Outstanding! What you’ve described is, I’m convinced, as immutable a law of nature and of nature’s God as dogs giving birth to dogs and not cats. (The rebellious and the atheistic will deny both, of course.)

I’d add only this familiar adage: “He who will not rule himself will be ruled by another.”


47 posted on 08/03/2012 6:41:45 AM PDT by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: Salvey
...when men wore jackets, ties and hats to Yankee Stadium...

Actually that's a piece this old phart is glad to see gone.

The invetor of the necktie should have been hauled out and hanged by it on the spot, and jackets are for cold weather.

IMHO; YMMV.

48 posted on 08/03/2012 6:47:35 AM PDT by ExGeeEye (Romney Sucks. Mutiny Now!)
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To: driftless2

The first time I posted this it was addressed to myself, such is the risk if posting from my iPhone.

“The first amendment is no way forbids a 100% Christian nation (even if it be theoretical) - if all the people willingly chose to be so.”

I chose not to be so. So please spare me the preaching. I do believe in a Creator, just not exactly the one Christians believe in.


49 posted on 08/03/2012 6:53:53 AM PDT by Okieshooter
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To: Okieshooter

“Sorry if you thought I was directing this at you. I wasn’t. I was directing it at the people (like the writer of this article) who think making kids in public schools pray whether they want to or not is a good idea.


50 posted on 08/03/2012 7:03:46 AM PDT by driftless2
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