Skip to comments.Conservatives Have A Secret
Posted on 08/03/2012 12:09:12 PM PDT by RedMominBlueState
...The entire Democratic Party, from the top down, now looks like Bill Ayers and Jeremiah Wright. The hatred of America is open. The desire to undo American constitutionalism is explicit. And this exposure will only accelerate in the coming months and years, as the left realizes ever more acutely that its days as an accepted political faction are numbered, and it is forced to take increasingly drastic and sudden measures to achieve its brutal aims before the clock runs out....It has become patently clear that the present Republican Party establishment is not up for this fight. Constitutional conservatives must do it themselves, using the GOP apparatus as just one tool. They must remain cool and workmanlike, rebuilding dams faster than the leftist waves can knock them down. This is the means to conservative victory. One cannot merely "go back" to a better time. Societal decay cannot simply be undone. One must allow -- even encourage -- the progressive degeneration to play itself out, fighting it at every turn until the leftists, seething with an increasingly open hatred of America, overplay their hand and self-destruct.
Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/08/conservatives_have_a_secret.html#ixzz22Vm23w8S
(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...
Unfortunately, they could never have achieved such leadership positions in the Democrat Party if a large and growing segment of the American population did agree and identify with them.
Remember, the problem is not Obama. The problem is the people who voted for Obama.
The Democrats became commies with Obama, and the Republicans became Democrats.
IOW, we’ve become Europe.
This is true, but I also believe that lots of people who care were either not paying attention or are now realizing they have been misled by the extremely biased media. Obama’s mask is slipping......
Awesome Op-ed, especially in the wake of what happened Wednesday. The left was pushed so hard they lashed out in a way that set them back a LONG time.
I feel fairly certain that a seismic rejection of him and his ruinous policies is in the making.
That it is not outwardly and immediately apparent doesn't mean that this groundswell of Conservatism it is not taking shape.
Don't ever count on the MSM to be where the facts are.
Unmarried women supported Barack Obama by a 70-to-29 percent margin, and they voted for Democratic House candidates by a similar margin 64-to-29 percent.
These margins mean that unmarried women edged out both younger voters and Hispanic voters as the demographic with the strongest support for President-elect Obama.
These unmarried women voters joined with younger voters and people of color to create what GQR calls a new American electorate voters with a decided preference for liberal candidates.
“if a large and growing segment of the American population did agree and identify with them.”
The media covers for them. The media is 50% of the problem.
This is one of the best articles I’ve read in 15 years at FR. Thanks for posting.
Well, I certainly believe that Democrats and their party, administration, supporting unions, MSM et al are devoid of morals, goodness or value for traditional America.
I also believe that conservatives must do it themselves. Each and EVERY time we see evidence of RINO backsliding, we must band together and defeat them in the next primary, no matter the cost. My own Governor and former Congressman, and both its RINO senators have backslid a number of times. Come next primary, I'm gonna support their opponents.
Except to lie, spin and otherwise disguise them.
Ping. Almost Burkean in its analysis.
If you read the article you would realist that the underlining point is by obstructing the “progressives” we have angered them and forced them in their anger to move all the more openly and frighteningly. That in itself has exposed their threat to the people they wish to make effective slaves all the more.
This in itself is a tactic required in a Conservative revolt. Paint the NAZI picture on the Statist left. Re-instill the natural and healthy fear of government.
I realize our politicians in Washington have betrayed us again and again as is to be expected of men who work & run the machine that stands to gain from the leftist agenda.
If we are to win this war WE CANNOT allow those men to lead us. We must wage a separate campaign while our efforts with those men are focused on crippling it. Instead our attack forces must consist of men who stand to gain rather than lose power with our victory. In this case and at this point in our history that would be our State & local Government leaders.
If we can move the power to our states we can then control & limit our States with our feet.
We can win against the leftist just not in distant, unaccountable, money printing Washington D.C. There the field and the tools leave us too few options to undercut and destroy the leftist.
Thank you for posting this accurate appraisal of the Cultural condition today. I believe it to be right on the mark, and the words to be taken to heart.
Keep building, and rebuilding those dams.
Ping of personal interest. Not pinging you for your ping lists, just to be certain you have the opportunity to read this as it’s quite interesting.
There are victories that are both hard-won and not so very visible. One of these is that in this country the framework for debate and the ultimate criterion for judgment is written on paper and grounded in such principle that cannot simply be discarded as a relic of the past. It is a common ploy of the Marxist Left in Europe to marginalize conservative opponents as defenders of an old, repressive, aristocratic tradition. The incredibly strident and increasingly transparent campaign to cast America as an imperialistic monolith is very much a part of this pattern of behavior. Where it has succeeded - campus, the shallower intelligentsia - is where the Left has made its greatest advances.
However, as the author points out, here certain doors are guarded with a vehemence seldom seen elsewhere in the world, the First Amendment being one of these, the Second being another. (I hope to live long enough to see the Fourth and Fifth regain their former entrenchments). Here the epithet "unconstitutional" still carries a sting. Here individual liberty cannot - yet - be dismissed as a relic of the past.
I have, however, heard it earnestly asseverated that individualism itself as a basis of politics is moribund, yes, on campus by an individual who would be horrified were that criterion applied to her. That the lesson learned from the 20th century was that statism and collectivism were far better founded scientifically. I wanted to ask this individual where she had been since 1989 - in mourning, apparently.
The advantage we have as conservatives (if we may even be called that) in the United States is that one may proceed forward under the same principles that got us here. The principles of distributed, representative government and the repository of political power within the individual citizen are not throwbacks to an imperialistic past, they are guideposts for the sort of future that has a proven track record in the past, which is far more than can be said of any jargon-laden socialist utopian fantasy that never was because it cannot be.
The collectivists will still argue, but it will be on our terms, because if it is ever otherwise we will discover rapidly that such terms as there are, are those of the Left: arbitrary, dictatorial, and very much the mark of a new aristocracy taking place under the Divine Right Of Party. That is a relic of the past.
The media is 100% of the problem.
Evil is not a problem - you find it, you destroy it. It's inherently weak - that's why it hides.
LYING about evil, however - now THAT'S a problem!
It's true the American hating progressives are becoming more and more unhinged and thus impatient at their slowed progress.
I would hope that the support shown Chic-fil-A is a backlash that will unhinge them more and it has in my view.
With the stunts and the out and out lying statements Obama has been making of late it seems he and his crony progressives are more unhinged.
Thanks for ping and post.
I rarely use this Federalist and anti-Federalist FReeper Book Club ping list, but this article is so good that I felt I needed to ping the old gang. It’s one of the best articles I’ve seen in a very long while. Also scroll up a few posts to Billthedrill’s analysis. Spot on brilliant, as usual.
This is conservatism's well-kept secret -- the secret hidden in its very nature: from a long series of hard-fought failures can come sudden victory.
Well, here is the unavoidable, inescapable and inevitable source of that "sudden victory":
Sooner or later, conservatives are going to have to understand this, because the alternative is the loss of America. That's WHY he wrote such an amazing ruling - to FORCE people to study it, out of fear for the very future of their families and their country.
So have YOU read it yet?
Bookmarked for later.
I’ve read it. And I’ve read the dissenting opinion.
The dissenting opinion has the right of it. The Court has no Constitutional authority to rule as it did. None at all. The Constitution grants the Court the power to interpret the law, not the power to rewrite it. The power to amend the law is granted solely to Congres—and so is denied anyone and everyone else.
The Roberts opinion is Constitutionally null and void, because it exercises a power not granted to the Court.
We only have the advantage is we actually take the opportunities it affords us...
Truer words were never spoken.. and the take away from this thread so far..
Are YOU a democrat?.. Don’t answer quickly maybe you are...
“Remember, the problem is not Obama. The problem is the people who voted for Obama.”
The US constitution is a masterpiece of checks and balances, because the founding fathers realized that a written law invites evasion as soon as it is written. Therefore only bodies of people with competing interests can function for any length of time.
This being said, we first need to know what these checks and balances are, and then we must take the corrective action to restore them if imbalance exists.
The most egregious imbalance was created when, in the balance between the federal government, the state governments, and the people, the states were stripped of power by the 17th Amendment.
This not only meant that the states could be oppressed by the federal government, but also that the states could no longer defend their people as citizens of their state, from the federal government.
This was the greatest victory of the Progressive movement, to put all citizens under the control of the federal government, whenever and however it saw fit. They ceased being citizens of their states.
Unfortunately the repeal of the 17th Amendment is impossible, because senators enjoy being federal employees instead of servants of their states. They would never agree to repeal.
And since the early part of the 20th Century, Progressives have indoctrinated the public that a constitutional convention is “too dangerous”, so must never take place.
So the way to correct this terrible imbalance cannot be just corrective. It must overcompensate and give the states enough power to reduce both the size and power of the federal government to more appropriate levels.
This must address as well all three branches of the federal government, executive power, legislative power, and judicial power.
The means is to create a Second Court of the United States. Not a federal court, but composed of two state legislature appointed judges from each state, on terms consecutive with the terms of their two senators.
This court would not decide the constitutionality of laws, which is a job for federal courts. Instead, as an inferior court to the Supreme Court, they would still be superior to the Federal District Courts, and would determine if cases appealed from these courts were indeed of federal jurisdiction, or if they should be returned to the states as not being constitutional issues, just intrusion.
Importantly, it would also have a single original jurisdiction: as the first court to hear lawsuits between the federal government and the states.
This would mean that the states, not federal judges, would be first to decide such lawsuits. If enough judges from enough states agree, the effect would be of a “safe” form of constitutional convention. The SCOTUS could not overturn their opinion.
But even more so, because the Federal District Courts normally have some 8,000 cases appealed to the SCOTUS each and every year, which can only hear at most a few dozen. So if these cases must first be decided by the states, as to jurisdiction, if the SCOTUS rejects them, they would return to the Second Court’s *jurisdictional* decision.
This could slash the amount of federal judicial bullying of the states, and also diminish the ability of the POTUS to push around states with lawsuits. Instead, the states could easily sue the federal government, hoping that enough of the other states would agree with them to overrule the feds.
THANKS for posting this.....MUST READ....bookmarking
Thank you for the ping, Publius! And an expert observation, Bill!
A sad fact of the world we live in is, the American people WANT socialism. They voted for it; they crave it; they yearn for it; and they destroy people and property when they don’t get it.
The nation I defended with pride and love for a quarter-century no longer exists. America, like Soviet Russia before her, has been consigned to the ashheap of history. The final act remaining is to be prepared for the coming collapse, by protecting you and yours when that final death rattle sounds.
Thanks for the beep!
This writer expresses thoughts similar to mine that to be viable and relevant the conservative coalition must obtain raw political power that is only effective within one of the two parties. It is hard enough within the amalgamated coalitions and impossible outside them.
Parties have evolved for the specific purpose of giving some real voice and power to small groups that can form alliances within the larger group. Alliances involve tradeoffs and negotiation toward the most acceptable alternatives meeting the needs of the majority of the representatives casting votes.
To succeed in the long run is to make pragmatic choices trending in the desired direction.
Outstanding thoughts, BTD.
To succeed in the long run is to make pragmatic choices trending in the desired direction.
***It’s okay to be pragmatic about strategy, but not about principles.
Alliances involve tradeoffs and negotiation toward the most acceptable alternatives meeting the needs of the majority of the representatives casting votes.
***And that is exactly what has happened. The tradeoff the GOP-E & Romney are engaging in is this: they think they don’t need conservatives to win this election, so they’re tossing us overboard. They are counting on enough conservatives to compromise their principles, hold their nose at the voting booth yet again, and to hell with the principled conservatives.
This website is a dedicated group of principled conservatives. At least, it used to be.
They are counting on enough conservatives to compromise their principles,
They are counting on enough self-described ‘conservatives’ to compromise their principles,
“IOW, weve become Europe.”
Try not cheering for your surrender monkey parade on FR, little girl. You’re stinking up the place.
I'm not sure I buy this premise. Compare where we are now to where we were 30, 40, or 50 years ago. Attitudes towards guns and gun control seem to be moving in decidedly the right direction, but the argument seems to be moving left on so many other issues. I think the left is ahead on points. I realize tons of people despise this administration and a big GOP Presidential and Congressional win this fall wouldn't surprise me in the least, but that doesn't a trend make. Plus, look what the "victory" would consist of, Romney!
Excellent post! A more fleshed out solution to the conflict of interest problem I’ve harped on when federal courts decide cases in which the federal government is one of the parties. In other cases, that would never be tolerated, nor should it be here.
Encourage their destruction to play itself out? Doesn’t that just speed up the harm they do to society?
So-called "progressives," beginning as self-described "liberals" in the late 19th, 20th, and early 21st Century have worked, like termites to erode our foundations in liberty by eliminating the ideas from textbooks and from much of the public square.
Every citizens with a computer, however, now can rediscover and spread the light of those founding ideas in ways never imagined by the destroyers of individual freedom. Witness this week's reaction to attempts to silence one business owner's freedom of conscience and speech by intimidation and government intervention.
Thanks again. The article should be shared with many opinion makers among our acquaintances throughout the states.
This subject is one that most people, including many Freepers, have difficulty immobilizing for analysis and commentary.
This article does just that, like a pin through a moth so it can be examined in a box.
One of the most demoralizing aspects of this culture war is that we ARE on the "losing side" and the reasons are not hard to understand. Those of us who stand with conservative principles are akin to the boy at the dike, or the guardians of a border. Our lot is to be on guard, 24 hours a day, seven days a week. We are constantly vigilant, fighting a defensive battle because we are outnumbered by the combination of the one third who wish to actively destroy conservatism and individualism, and the one third that is composed of good hearted people who are misguided or misinformed, rounded out by those who simply don't care either way.
Liberalism is a one-way ratchet. Cultural territory lost is rarely regained. We become the boy on the dike who can't see all the leaks that develop and who eventually runs out of fingers and toes. We become an outmanned army that rushes forces to and fro inside a besieged position trying desperately to marshal forces to the point of impact to stave off inevitable defeat.
Pretty depressing stuff, I admit.
But then, we see the Taxpayer March on Washington on 9/12/2009. We see the outpouring of support for Chick-Fil-A. And we see the solid, American nature of those who take part in those types of events to express themselves. Even in a blue state like Massachusetts as shown below in this picture I took at a Chick-Fil-A this past Wednesday. This was in Massachusetts, the bluest of the blue states! 200-300 people, later up to as many as 500.
And look at the people in line in my picture. I saw all races, male and female, young and old. All standing in line for hours, just to make a point, and doing it with pleasant countenances and no griping. Make no mistake, it wasn't about food. There were no more than one or two people in line at ANY other food establishment within 10 seconds walking time from Chick-Fil-A.
I saw this, and I thought "Perhaps...just perhaps...all is not lost."
So, in that fertile frame of mind, I login to Free Republic and see this thread. I am a huge fan of the American Thinker, and I believe it is one of the most important conservative sites out there. As I read this incisive article, there were two passages in this article that jumped out at me:
"...the smooth transition into collectivist authoritarianism has not happened in America as it happened, or is currently happening, everywhere else, because conservatives have not let it happen. The "democratic" left has had to work harder in America than anywhere else -- and, consequently, has had to show its teeth more plainly in America than anywhere else..."
"...whereas the European left presents itself, and even sees itself, as a friend of Europe, the American left has been antagonized into presenting itself more and more openly as the enemy of America..."
Both of these passages indicate a key concept put forth by the author, that liberals are taking more aggressive tactics to achieve their goals because there still exists too many people who won't quietly allow the Left to "gently fastens its shackles on the ankles of mankind", and especially not their own ankles. (A brilliantly written passage, by the way. Just superb.)
The reasons this intractability so irritates and enrages the left are twofold, first because it is a demonstration of "American Exceptionalism" (a concept they abhor) and secondly, that quality of American Exceptionalism traces its roots, foundation and staying power directly back to The Constitution of The United States, a document they despise with a deep contempt.
American Exceptionalism is the antithesis of cultural relativism, a concept that is near and dear to their liberal hearts.
For them to admit that there IS something different about America by acknowledging American Exceptionalism would be tantamount to lighting the fuse that demolishes their own foundation. Liberals view the concept of American Exceptionalism as a virulent form of jingoism.
To them, it is diametrically opposed philosophically to cultural relativism, a concept they use to buttress their own twisted concept of equality, a mutated and deformed version of that ideal to attack conservatism and conservatives.
What liberals (and many, if not most conservatives don't either) is that the weapon liberals use so freely and to great effect is easily turned against them. Doing so will, in one stroke, both refute the hideously damaging concepts of cultural relativism while proving and fortifying the concept of American Exceptionalism and highlighting the enduring strength and validity of The Constitution.
The key is: Conservatives believe that all INDIVIDUALS have equal value. We believe in Individualism, and we treat it as something to be treasured. We inherently value equality in people. Liberals believe that all CULTURES (states) have equal value, and they DESPISE individualism. As such, they inherently despise the individual, as long as it is not THEM.
Jonescu's writing is on point for most of its path, but I do not agree with his idea of letting leftism play out; it is an optimistic vision. Since I live near gangland I see things differently.
Our national problem is not simply the course of government or arguments; it is the incredible burdens that government has placed on the future of our nation. History has never seen a nation with our level of debt and with so many characters depending on government for their sustenance. When the debt is addressed and the sinecures and payments to the jobless and indolent masses end, we will see a different U.S.. God help us.
I liked this article. It reminded me of another by John O'Sullivan that was in National Review in 1997.
We will not solve our problems by buying chicken. There will come a time when the ugliness of liberalism will have a contest with the ugliness of conservatism. We’ve been very nice, so far.
Amen! Amen! and AMEN!!!
What Roberts court did is, in my humble opinion, an impeachable offense and if I were a member of congress that action would be underway!
TBP, that isn’t the point, to encourage their destruction.
The point of the article is, liberals are losing patience due to the intractability of conservatives who continue to resist just allowing liberals to “gently snap on the shackles” and they are being forced to show the iron fist of liberalism and statism before they really want to. In short, they are losing their patience.
Think of a person who has a dog, and they beat and mistreat the dog. But they must call the dog and get it within arms reach to attach the chain, so they smile, call the dog, crouch down, display foods the dog likes, and so on.
All the while holding the chain behind the back so the dog can’t see it.
But the dog approaches, grows cautious, just out of reach, and continually backs away, only to stop and stare while the owner begins the wheedling and pleading and displaying of the food.
But time grows ever tighter. The owner must get the chain on the dog’s neck soon, or all is lost. Tones of his voice change in subtle ways, the stress is showing through. The owner keeps a smile, but now it is forced. The teeth are gritted, the jaw muscles clenched, the motions with the plate of food are becoming a bit jerky, as if the plate would be shoved wholly into the mouth of the unfortunate dog should it get too close.
Soon, the Owner stands upright and begins to yell at the dog “GET THE HELL OVER HERE!” and in doing so, the dog catches sight of the chain being concealed behind the Owner’s back.
The Owner has just inadvertently shown the dog the iron fist behind the velvet glove.
At this point, the dog will turn and run, deserting the owner forever.
The Owner is liberalism and statism.
The Dog is the American citizen.
THAT is our hope.
I cannot thank you enough for pinging me to this most excellent analysis of the current state of affairs!
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