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A Mitt Romney loss wouldn’t necessarily be a disaster
The Daily Caller ^ | August 3, 2012 | Matt K. Lewis

Posted on 08/03/2012 1:26:47 PM PDT by Bratch

Don’t buy the doom and gloom pronouncements from conservatives telling you, “this is the most important election in history.” A loss for Mitt Romney would not necessarily spell long lasting disaster for Republicans, nor would it be the death-knell to conservatism. In fact, it’s possible a 2012 loss could lay the groundwork for a stronger Republican party and conservative movement.

Elections are almost always seen as urgent and morally imperative. But sometimes major victories can only come in the aftermath of what appear to be devastating defeats. John Kerry‘s loss in 2004 laid the groundwork for a Democratic takeover in 2006 and 2008, and Jimmy Carter‘s defeat of Gerald Ford in 1976 paved the way for the Ronald Reagan in 1980. In other words, it is a mistake to assume losing a presidential election is a permanent defeat.

“This should be the most important election since 1980, but so far it is not,” says Reagan biographer Craig Shirley. “Scottish historian Thomas Carlyle postulated the ‘great man’ theory of history, and indeed this was true with Washington, Jackson, Lincoln, TR, FDR and Reagan. But history has not summoned forth great men in 2012 and in fact our history today is small.”

This is not to say Republicans should concede the election, but conservatives should keep November in proper perspective.

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What is more, it’s some observers believe that, lacking a solid philosophical core, once ensconced at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, President Romney might just do what seems most likely to win him a second term. If he believes success would more likely come through compromise and cutting deals, you had best believe that’s what he’ll do. (Every president does). A compromising Republican presidency might end up being worse than no presidency.
1 posted on 08/03/2012 1:27:01 PM PDT by Bratch
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To: Bratch

This will be a bigger thread than 4 time DUI illegal immigrant kills New Mexico baby.


2 posted on 08/03/2012 1:29:36 PM PDT by NoLibZone (I trust conservatives: Sarah,Bachmann,Santorum, Cain,Dick Cheney,W, Rush on their 2012 pick for Pres)
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To: Bratch

It could be no worse than a second term of Obama.


3 posted on 08/03/2012 1:30:43 PM PDT by jyro (French-like Democrats wave the white flag of surrender while we are winning)
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To: Bratch

Hogwash - the Village is burning and there will be little left.


4 posted on 08/03/2012 1:31:32 PM PDT by major-pelham
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To: Bratch

This is absolutely no way that anyone can convince me things could get better for 2016 IF Romney loses. What kind of dope are you guys smoking? You give Obama four more years and it might as well be decades.


5 posted on 08/03/2012 1:32:01 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Bratch
A Mitt Romney loss wouldn’t necessarily be a disaster

Of course not. But an Obama win would be. The Tea Party movement is not crazy about Romney. But I predict they will turn out in record numbers to defeat Obama.

6 posted on 08/03/2012 1:32:33 PM PDT by InterceptPoint (.)
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To: Bratch

If we keep on electing Tea Party types, we won’t have no stinkin’ compromising!


7 posted on 08/03/2012 1:32:37 PM PDT by donozark (Not all heroes wear tights and a cape.)
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To: major-pelham

Hogwash indeed. Great post.


8 posted on 08/03/2012 1:32:37 PM PDT by Valentine Michael Smith (You won't find justice in a Courtroom)
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To: Bratch

I stand with : Sarah Palin ,Michelle Bachmann,Rick Santorum, Herman Cain,Dick Cheney,George W, Rush.

I trust their judgment.

Those that don’t are RINOs trying to occupy the GOP and make it a 3rd party.

ie= l a z y .


9 posted on 08/03/2012 1:33:45 PM PDT by NoLibZone (I trust conservatives: Sarah,Bachmann,Santorum, Cain,Dick Cheney,W, Rush on their 2012 pick for Pres)
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To: Bratch
We are almost certainly about to go into Syria and possibly tangle with Iran. I DO NOT want our troops to have to do that AND have to have the dims in charge of writing ROEs that do not allow our troops to do their jobs.
10 posted on 08/03/2012 1:33:53 PM PDT by mouse_35 (Watergate didn't come with a body count. Impeach Holder now!!!)
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To: Bratch

Well the Supreme Court doesn’t have a handicapped transsexual muslim member yet, so there’s another groundbreaking opportunity for Baraq term 2.


11 posted on 08/03/2012 1:34:40 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: Bratch
A loss for Mitt Romney would not necessarily spell long lasting disaster for Republicans, nor would it be the death-knell to conservatism

 

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But on the other hand -  A WIN for Romney would indeed be a huge set-back for conservatism.

12 posted on 08/03/2012 1:35:25 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Bratch

NONSENSE! Obama wins and it is over. Period. Don’t believe this crap.


13 posted on 08/03/2012 1:37:03 PM PDT by montag813
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To: Bratch
A Mitt Romney loss wouldn’t necessarily be a disaster...

... only economic/social collapse and the Second American Revolution and/or Civil War.

14 posted on 08/03/2012 1:37:42 PM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Bratch

Eight years of Obama would only be twice as bad
as four years? Count me out. Even were Romney
to be a mediocre president he could still be
removed after four years with out a vast amount
of damage done, EIGHT years of Obama would be
three times the damage done in his first four.
So the choice is a simple one. NOBAMA, once was
enough.


15 posted on 08/03/2012 1:38:06 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Bratch
All throughout this article I keep reading things like...

This is not to say Republicans should concede the election, but conservatives should keep November in proper perspective..

Which leads me to wonder if the author knows the two are NOT mutually inclusive.

16 posted on 08/03/2012 1:39:24 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: nascarnation

“...the Supreme Court doesn’t have a handicapped transsexual muslim member yet....”
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Are you absolutely sure it doesn’t?


17 posted on 08/03/2012 1:39:45 PM PDT by House Atreides
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To: Bratch

Given four more years, obama will complete the job of cobbling together his voter coalition of gays, welfare queens, blacks, OWS, public employee union members, abortion lovers, illegal aliens, etc. By 2016, they will have reached critical mass and will constitute a clear voting majority until the country collapses ala the European Union.


18 posted on 08/03/2012 1:40:10 PM PDT by Salvey
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To: major-pelham
the Village is burning and there will be little left.

I've heard the same over-the-top crap every election cycle since forever. We're still here.

Fear isn't going to make me vote against my principles.

/johnny

19 posted on 08/03/2012 1:40:55 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Gaffer

You give Mittens four years, and you’ll literally be asking us to give him 4 more. That’s 8 years, two short of a decade. Better a socialist Mormon than a socialist Muslim, I suppose. Mittens doesn’t represent us. The Tea Party lost the nomination fight when Mittens won it. That’s the simple reality of this situation. On top of that, Mittens is unwilling to make any serious reforms. I know he makes empty vague promises about cutting billions, but nothing in his actual published plan justifies it. He will not touch social security or any of the entitelemtns, and even says he believes in the progressive nature of government. Meanwhile, he’s a pathological liar.

Mittens represents long term mediocrity and decay, while Obama is more of a “better to flame out, than to fade away!” kind of guy. Either way, there’s no bright spot here.


20 posted on 08/03/2012 1:40:55 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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The level of absurdity on FR is astounding anymore. How could anyone do anything that might get Obama re-elected? There are posters on this forum who I believe want Obama to win. I would vote for a lichen before I would vote for Obama. A liberal GOP-e like Romney would be 10 times better than Obama at his best. I’m not happy with Romney either, I was a Cain supporter, but I’d stick my hand in an unflushed toilet before I would do ANYTHING that might keep Hussein in the White House..

*shakes head* Flame away, I don’t care, it is INSANITY to even consider re-electing this criminal freaking marxist..


21 posted on 08/03/2012 1:42:02 PM PDT by cardinal4 (Do I really need a /s tag?)
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To: Responsibility2nd
This is not to say Republicans should concede the election, but conservatives should keep November in proper perspective..

Which leads me to wonder if the author knows the two are NOT mutually inclusive.

The Republican party no longer does. Why should the author be any different?

22 posted on 08/03/2012 1:42:10 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("If you're not fiscally AND socially conservative, you're not conservative!" - Jim Robinson, 9-1-10)
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To: NoLibZone

“I stand with : Sarah Palin ,Michelle Bachmann,Rick Santorum, Herman Cain,Dick Cheney,George W, Rush.

I trust their judgment.”


That’s the problem. You trust their judgment since you have none of your own. That’s the problem with conservatives in the first place. This election cycle has proven that there is no superiority of the Republican zombie over the commie zombie.


23 posted on 08/03/2012 1:42:55 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: Responsibility2nd

Not choosing a tea party VP that is electable in 2016 is a kick in the balls for the conservatives. I get everyones point. Romney is a Clymer, and Obama a douche. I’ve heard arguments on both sides and get them both. If Romney wins, we possibly turns the reigns back to the libatards if/when Romney doesn’t pull a hat trick in four years.


25 posted on 08/03/2012 1:43:42 PM PDT by goseminoles
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To: Responsibility2nd

If Obama wins you won’t see a conservative government in your lifetime or your childrens lifetimes or your childrens children etc. Not because of Obama but because the American voters will have made it plain that there is no turning back now from the abyss.


26 posted on 08/03/2012 1:43:51 PM PDT by bkepley
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To: RaisingCain

Tampa might get hit by a hurricane.

Just saying.


27 posted on 08/03/2012 1:43:59 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Siri: Gold Baby, Gold!)
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To: goseminoles

*popcorn*


28 posted on 08/03/2012 1:44:47 PM PDT by goseminoles
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To: Bratch
Don’t buy the doom and gloom pronouncements from conservatives telling you, “this is the most important election in history.” A loss for Mitt Romney would not necessarily spell long lasting disaster for Republicans, nor would it be the death-knell to conservatism. In fact, it’s possible a 2012 loss could lay the groundwork for a stronger Republican party and conservative movement.

The problem is, there won't be any point to a "Republican Party" or "conservative movement" anymore.

At the end of a second Obama term, there won't be a country LEFT.

29 posted on 08/03/2012 1:45:07 PM PDT by pcottraux
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To: cardinal4

“The level of absurdity on FR is astounding anymore. How could anyone do anything that might get Obama re-elected? There are posters on this forum who I believe want Obama to win. I would vote for a lichen before I would vote for Obama. A liberal GOP-e like Romney would be 10 times better than Obama at his best. I’m not happy with Romney either, I was a Cain supporter, but I’d stick my hand in an unflushed toilet before I would do ANYTHING that might keep Hussein in the White House..

*shakes head* Flame away, I don’t care, it is INSANITY to even consider re-electing this criminal freaking marxist..”


Try shaking hands with Obama and Mittens. You’ll still get s*** on your hands, just from different ***holes.


30 posted on 08/03/2012 1:45:45 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: Bratch
Don’t buy the doom and gloom pronouncements from conservatives telling you, “this is the most important election in history.” A loss for Mitt Romney would not necessarily spell long lasting disaster for Republicans, nor would it be the death-knell to conservatism.

I'm not worried about the Republicans or Conservatives I worried about the Republic. Obama, the administration and Democrat control of Congress has to go. If you don't understand that, you have bigger problems than I can begin to address.

31 posted on 08/03/2012 1:45:45 PM PDT by WHBates
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To: Bratch

I could NOT agree more. The biggest disaster for Conservatism will be Romney, NOT Obama. We will never, ever be able to fight Romney. The Tea Party will be completely marginalized. Romney will tack hard left and NO one will stop him whereas the House and Senate stop Obama.

Romney will be a DISASTER of epic proportions.


32 posted on 08/03/2012 1:46:32 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: Bratch

The title is so stupid I will not read the article.


33 posted on 08/03/2012 1:47:55 PM PDT by exnavy (The time is upon us, fish or cut bait, may God guide your heart.)
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To: Bratch
I looked into my crystal ball and asked if the current president gets a second term, what will happen to the prosperity and the security of liberty and freedom here in the United States of America? It replied; AMERICA WILL EXCEED THE STATE OF BEING THOROUGHLY EFFED!
34 posted on 08/03/2012 1:48:09 PM PDT by drypowder
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To: nascarnation

Our Supreme Court is already a liberal one, but it will move off the charts to the Left if the Kenyan gets his second term.

Articles such as this one no doubt warm the hearts of our political enemies.


35 posted on 08/03/2012 1:48:11 PM PDT by comebacknewt (Newt (sigh) what could have been . . .)
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To: bkepley

“If Obama wins you won’t see a conservative government in your lifetime or your childrens lifetimes or your childrens children etc. Not because of Obama but because the American voters will have made it plain that there is no turning back now from the abyss.”


Considering the tea party was “awakened” under Obama, much like we were awakened by the Japanese at Pearl Harbor, it seems to me that Obama is the best friend the tea party have ever had. Mittens represents sleep and a return to political whoredom.

I much prefer the fight against Obama than the complacency of another stealth socialist, this time in the guize of a Republican.


36 posted on 08/03/2012 1:48:42 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: RaisingCain

You give Obama 4 more years and your fears about “mittens” will pale in comparison. I’m not a Mitt supporter by any means. In the past I’ve been pretty vocal about not nominating him.

You fear about all the things that he will do, knowing Obama will do his worst, every day, every chance he gets in those four years.

You fear Mittens will do things you fear, yet you never consider a strong continued vigilence in forcing him to stay on track. The vigilence of an increasingly conservative GOP congress, rooting out RINOs, and the potential to remove Reid et al.

Lastly, What does “Mormon” have to do with it? That crap belongs over in the religion thread where Elsie and Colornian can post, repost and repost again all their MormonISM spew.


37 posted on 08/03/2012 1:49:04 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Bratch

This election isn’t about getting Romney INTO the White House.

It is about getting Barack Obama OUT of the White House.

Anyone who argues that Romney would be just as bad as Obama hasn’t been paying attention the last 3 1/2 years.


38 posted on 08/03/2012 1:49:41 PM PDT by Iron Munro ("Jiggle the Handle for Barry!")
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To: Bratch
Don’t buy the doom and gloom pronouncements from conservatives telling you, “this is the most important election in history.”

I make it point to never buy that kind of nonsense, since we hear it EVERY ELECTION CYCLE.
39 posted on 08/03/2012 1:51:27 PM PDT by arderkrag (ABOs are Romneybot trolls. LOOKING FOR ROLEPLAYERS. Check Profile.)
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To: Bratch

Make no mistake, this election is not about Romney. This election is about a mandate to flush away all the barriers that impede a return to strong conservative constitutional government and a thriving economy. I did not say radical conservative, or religious zealots, I said strong conservatives with integrity and honesty. Common sense people who understand that in a free market, supply will never create demand. Imposition of ideals or products should never be the province of government control. The socialist elite know this! It is too bad that the week minded “knit whits” that are manipulated by the elite’s rhetoric can’t figure it out. No matter though, if anyone was witness to the groundswell of support for Chik Fil A this last Wednesday they know that the silent majority has had ENOUGH! And we will all hear from them again in November.


40 posted on 08/03/2012 1:51:44 PM PDT by 7thOF7th (Righteousness is our cause and justice will prevail!)
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To: Bratch

41 posted on 08/03/2012 1:51:53 PM PDT by NoLibZone (I trust conservatives: Sarah,Bachmann,Santorum, Cain,Dick Cheney,W, Rush on their 2012 pick for Pres)
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To: RaisingCain
I much prefer the fight against Obama than the complacency of another stealth socialist, this time in the guize of a Republican.

I'm happy for you but the voters will have made it plain where the future lies.

42 posted on 08/03/2012 1:51:53 PM PDT by bkepley
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To: Bratch

Make no mistake, this election is not about Romney. This election is about a mandate to flush away all the barriers that impede a return to strong conservative constitutional government and a thriving economy. I did not say radical conservative, or religious zealots, I said strong conservatives with integrity and honesty. Common sense people who understand that in a free market, supply will never create demand. Imposition of ideals or products should never be the province of government control. The socialist elite know this! It is too bad that the week minded “knit whits” that are manipulated by the elite’s rhetoric can’t figure it out. No matter though, if anyone was witness to the groundswell of support for Chik Fil A this last Wednesday they know that the silent majority has had ENOUGH! And we will all hear from them again in November.


43 posted on 08/03/2012 1:51:53 PM PDT by 7thOF7th (Righteousness is our cause and justice will prevail!)
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To: bkepley

Yeah, it’s not really Obama we should be scared of, it’s the majority of the electorate that would give him another four years in power with their eyes open. If that happens, we know we’re finished.


44 posted on 08/03/2012 1:52:01 PM PDT by Argus
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To: pcottraux
At the end of a second Obama term, there won't be a country LEFT.

I have heard that breathless crap EVERY election. Every one. We're still here. The GOP-E uses it to get the weak minded to vote for their liberal candidate. And that candidate gets more and more liberal every election.

I'm not voting for a liberal just because you are scared.

/johnny

45 posted on 08/03/2012 1:52:01 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: NoLibZone

Proven correct already.


46 posted on 08/03/2012 1:54:45 PM PDT by NoLibZone (I trust conservatives: Sarah,Bachmann,Santorum, Cain,Dick Cheney,W, Rush on their 2012 pick for Pres)
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To: Bratch

“...while most conservatives would advise working hard to elect Mitt Romney, they should not assume that Obama’s re-election, should it happen, would be any more destructive to the cause of conservatism than Bush’s re-election was to the cause of liberalism.”
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So Bush’s reelection wasn’t all that destructive to the cause of liberalism? So Bush being reelected and thus being in a position to nominate John Roberts and Samuel Alito to the Supreme Court (instead of God-knows-who John Kerry would have installed on the court) wasn’t very destructive to liberalism? Four more years of Obama and his minions being in power won’t be destructive to our nation and the cause of conservatism? What is he smoking?

I don’t know what is causing the apparent outbreak of idiocy among so called conservatives. This clown should go over to the liberal side and peddle his defeatism and “don’t worry, be happy” attitude over their. I’m sick of seeing this kind of thoughtless “thinking” polluting our ranks.


47 posted on 08/03/2012 1:56:08 PM PDT by House Atreides
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To: Gaffer

“You fear Mittens will do things you fear, yet you never consider a strong continued vigilence in forcing him to stay on track. The vigilence of an increasingly conservative GOP congress, rooting out RINOs, and the potential to remove Reid et al.”


It’s not what Mittens will do that bugs me, but what you and the Republicans will do in reaction to what he WILL do. Which is, it’ll eliminate the conservative heat, since on one side you will have the Republicans who will always point to the boogieman, and then we will have the marginalized conservatives who can’t make a decision. All this stuff about people putting Mittens feet to the fire is a joke. We couldn’t even stop him from getting the nomination, and you think he is going to respect us? This freak even aids in campaigns against conservatives, and all the while the Republicans will tell us how he is God on Earth who must not be blasphemed. Mittens was the easy, short sighted, temporary “fix” to a problem that wasn’t even centered around Obama. The real problem is the ideology behind Obama, and behind Mittens too, but Americans are impatient and do not think things through. That is why the oriental mindset inherent in communism will win. History is a farce that goes back and forth between tragedy. Right now we are in the Farce stage, so next will be tragedy, and after that a farce again, assuming we get that far.

Republicans are the new liberals, and commies are the new, umm, well, commies. I hope you like it.


48 posted on 08/03/2012 1:57:29 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: House Atreides
the apparent outbreak of idiocy among so called conservatives

Is that your normal sales pitch to convince people to vote for your candidate?

/johnny

49 posted on 08/03/2012 1:59:23 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: RIghtwardHo
Romney will be a DISASTER of epic proportions.

We already have a disaster in the White House. You think Romney would be worse... Are you insane?

Give this marxist four more years with ZERO consequences... and it's all over. Kiss this country goodbye.

Romney at least can be kept in check, and nudged to do the right thing - i.e. tap energy resources, make conservative Supreme Court picks, lower regulations, taxes.

Obama will picks marxists for the Supreme court (maybe 2), and regulate us to death. Plus Obamacare will be full implemented.

Nice try!
50 posted on 08/03/2012 1:59:50 PM PDT by nhwingut (Sarah Palin 12... No One Else)
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