Posted on 08/03/2012 1:26:47 PM PDT by Bratch
“I think it’s better not to get into either car.”
If only we had that choice.
How you react to fear may or may not be cowardly. I don’t see voting for Romney out of fear of Obama as cowardice. I see it as reality.
***I see it as cowardice. I don’t take issue with such cowardice, because that is your own suffering choice. What I take issue with here on FR is the attempt to spread the cowardice.
I AM a conservative first, who happens to usually vote Republican, and I am proud of it. I am not trying to get people to “betray their principles” and “vote my way,” because as a REAL conservative, I respect other people’s rights and recognize that it’s none of my business. I was simply stating what I feel about the consequences of this election. A real conservative doesn’t resort to bullying, intimidation, and name-calling like you do...that’s the ugly stuff only a progressive soul can engage in and still sleep at night.
But it doesn’t matter, because I don’t have to prove anything to you, because I don’t answer to you. I don’t know why “whether or not I’m fear-mongering” is even an issue that you feel you need to make a case for...even if you prove that I AM “fear-mongering” beyond a shadow of a doubt (which is impossible to do, anyway), what have you accomplished? Is FR helped any? Is conservatism triumphing because of it? Please. All you can do because of this is pat yourself on the back and feel like good about yourself. (Even thought it never will satisfy that emptiness or anger inside). This infighting is not worth your time and effort...or mine. Good day.
If only we had that choice.
***We do. No one is forcing you to vote, nor pull any particular lever. It’s just me in that voting booth, and I have to live with my own choice.
A few years ago we had a go-round with a bunch of republicans who were badmouthing a conservative Tom McClintock in the California Guvnor recall race. They said Schwarzenegger was the only ‘realistic’ choice. Later on, a few of them posted their regrets in pushing for a non-conservative. Supporting the conservative is always the right thing to do when you are conservative. Yielding your principles out of cowardice does no one any good, especially yourself.
I see it as reality.
Reality poses itself in many differing versions amongst the human population. Thus arguring the differing versions is useless IMO.
even if you prove that I AM “fear-mongering” beyond a shadow of a doubt (which is impossible to do, anyway), what have you accomplished? Is FR helped any?
***Absolutely, if you stop doing it.
It is possible for conservatives in good faith to disagree about whether or not to vote for Romney. I do not plan to vote for him, but I respect the opinion of those who do.
And if I were a mod here, anyone who used an word ending in "-bot" to refer to another Freeper would immediately have their posting privileges revoked for a two week cool-off period.
We are already in the dragster. I will take the pinto which gives me a better chance of bailing out.
I understand what you are saying. When I saw that Romney was winning the primary I told my husband I would not vote for him. I, like you, saw it as giving into the GOP-E. I understand refusing to vote for him. I still considered myself a republican until Romney won the primary.
I will continue to register as a republican so I can vote in primaries but I no longer consider myself one and I have no illusions about Romney. He is a liberal Rino.
While Romney is a liberal, the evidence is too strong that Obama is a Communist. His mentor, Frank Marshall Davis, the family of Valerie Jarette, and the mentor of David Axelrod were all working together in Chicago back in the 1930’s. All were card carrying communists and busy organizing for the communist party. Their hero was Stalin. Do you think it was coincidental that the 3 of them met up in the White House in 2008? I don't.
You say I am cowardly. I say it takes bravery to seek the truth and base decisions on it. It is very hard to accept that there really is a Communist in the White House. It is very hard to accept that the people who worshiped Stalin, in spite of the millions he murdered, were the families and mentors of those who are in the position to cause terrible harm to the people of this country and the rest of the world including Israel.
You call it fear-mongering. I call it truth.
I agree with you for the most part.
I proposed to JimRob that he establish that line for the sake of peace on both sides. His response seems to be... zotting Rogue Yam. Maybe you can make sense of it where I cannot.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2905011/replies?c=403
To: wolfcreek
Nothing has changed about my principles, ethics, or my relationship with God but you sure couldn’t tell it from the way I’ve been treated here lately. Why?
***My guess is that JimRob doesn’t want to open another heart-wrenching bugzapper thread. So he allows the RINO squishes to bash conservatives.
If it were me, I’d post a boundary establishing thread that draws the line for both sides. If you have decided for yourself to vote for Romney, that’s your own choice that we disagree with. If you’ve decided to write in a conservative, that is also your own choice. Each Freeper makes their choice and the choice is respected
But if you try to separate conservatives from their conservative beliefs on this conservative website to get them to vote for a librul like Romney, you’re a librul and you’ve crossed the line. Similarly, if you call the Romney voters something like ‘squishes’ or ‘cowards’ or CINOs or ‘libruls’ then you have also crossed the line. Anyone who crosses the line gets one warning, then a timeout.
Seems like a simple way to keep the peace during such a troublesome time that the choice is 2 babykilling libtards.
368 posted on 07/11/2012 8:30:11 AM PDT by Kevmo ( FRINAGOPWIASS: Free Republic Is Not A GOP Website. It’s A Socon Site.)
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If it were me, I’d post a boundary establishing thread that draws the line for both sides. If you have decided for yourself to vote for Romney, that’s your own choice that we disagree with. If you’ve decided to write in a conservative, that is also your own choice. Each Freeper makes their choice and the choice is respected.
I called directly to the top for this several months ago, as soon as it became clear that Romney was pulling away with the nomination.
I was told pointedly that there would be absolutely no room on FR for those who thought supporting the GOP nominee was best for America.
Then there was the so-called “truce” that was utterly ill-formed and incoherent and failed to address any of the real issues at hand.
Now here we are, doing what we’re doing.
Oh, well. At least we’re making the DUmmies, the commies, Team Obama, the rent-seekers, the moochers, and the jihadis happy.
403 posted on 07/11/2012 11:08:13 AM PDT by rogue yam
To: rogue yam; Jim Robinson
Well, this is interesting. We’ve got a RINO squish agreeing with a hold-your-ground Conservative agreeing with eachother on how this situation should be handled on Free Republic.
540 posted on 07/11/2012 5:03:37 PM PDT by Kevmo ( FRINAGOPWIASS: Free Republic Is Not A GOP Website. It’s A Socon Site.)
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We are already in the dragster. I will take the pinto which gives me a better chance of bailing out.
***I see you prefer my analogy over your own. But we are not already in the dragster (side note: how can you bail out of the pinto if you’re already in the dragster?) — the election has not yet happened.
I understand what you are saying. When I saw that Romney was winning the primary I told my husband I would not vote for him. I, like you, saw it as giving into the GOP-E.
***It appears that you were not proceeding from fear back then.
I understand refusing to vote for him. I still considered myself a republican until Romney won the primary. I will continue to register as a republican so I can vote in primaries but I no longer consider myself one and I have no illusions about Romney. He is a liberal Rino.
***In this country you cast your vote FOR a person, not AGAINST a person. Voting FOR a librul RINO is not an option for me.
While Romney is a liberal, the evidence is too strong that Obama is a Communist.
***That doesn’t say much for Romney — “vote for me ‘cause I aint a commie”.
His mentor, Frank Marshall Davis, the family of Valerie Jarette, and the mentor of David Axelrod were all working together in Chicago back in the 1930’s. All were card carrying communists and busy organizing for the communist party. Their hero was Stalin.
***I will be voting against the commie pig. But the case for voting FOR the RINO Librul is less than compelling.
You say I am cowardly. I say it takes bravery to seek the truth and base decisions on it.
***I agree, but what you’ve been pushing here is hardly some new truth. I say that you are cowardly because you are proceeding from fear, basing your decisions on that fear. That’s pretty much the definition of cowardice.
It is very hard to accept that there really is a Communist in the White House. It is very hard to accept that the people who worshiped Stalin, in spite of the millions he murdered, were the families and mentors of those who are in the position to cause terrible harm to the people of this country and the rest of the world including Israel.
***The best disinfectant is sunlight. Romney only offers shade.
You call it fear-mongering. I call it truth.
***You’ve admitted that you’re proceeding from fear. That is fear mongering; that is truth.
Ha ha, that’s a great answer. Yeah, you really got me in the crushing grip of reason with that one!
I’ve been on FR for 8 friggin’ years now, yet somehow it has survived despite my sinister fearmongering to try to make people vote against their principles. Fortunately they have you to save them from my devious plans!
You’re the one trying to get me to “stop fearmongering”....which really just means you want me to stop expressing my opinion on the matter. Cyberbullies like you are exactly why I rarely post anymore. Life is too precious for this nonsense.
Yeah, the concept of disagreeing in good faith seems to be evaporating from FR at breakneck speed.
Nov 6 Insanity Thread Ping...
Makes a lot of sense to me. Vote for former Democrat Goode, because Romney did some liberal things as Governor of Mass. a decade ago.
that's simply not true. He managed to slip some quite conservative jurists past the all Democrat panel that had to approve them.
No sale.
BTW, Reagan had been a Democrat.
/johnny
I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I'm merely informing.
Yes, and as governor of California, he increased taxes "to balance the budget", and he also signed a bill allowing abortions in California. But no one here seems to hate him for these things.
He managed to slip some quite conservative jurists past the all Democrat panel that had to approve them.
***Then JimRob’s RomneyTruthFile needs to be updated. I would assume his information is more accurate than yours.
which really just means you want me to stop expressing my opinion on the matter.
***Bull shiite. Note the 2-way street proposal that I suggested for handling disagreements. Someone who wants to get others to “expressing your opinion on the matters” wouldn’t propose such an evenhanded approach that another CINO agreed with it.
So, back to your original question, “Is FR helped any?” Would FR be helped if you “stopped fearmongering”.... yes.
I think a catastrophe is a bit worse than a disaster...
If for any reason Bork Obunga should be re-elected, everything we've ever known will be gone. There will not be any pieces lying around four years down the road for somebody five or ten percent more conservative than Mitt Romney to try to pick up or put back together, it will be
What will ensue will be another dark age, one of those periods of two or three or four centuries for which no archaeological evidence exists and at the end of which, any humans who might still be alive come crawling out of caves and try to reconstruct how to make fire.
So, does this mean you didn't vote for one of our candidates in the primary?
There is nothing wrong with following the lead of people who ascend to leadership positions. I would have voted for Sarah or Cain. I did vote for Newt and wish any of them had won but they didn't.
Sarah was the Governor of Alaska, Newt the Speaker of the House, Michelle a Representative of Minnesota, Rick a Senator from PA, Cain a successful businessman who was willing to put himself and his family through hell to make a difference, Cheney and Bush were President and Vice President.
What have you or I done to actually make a difference? We sit at our computers and complain but they are the ones who are out there making sacrifices and trying to help. If you respect any one of them there is nothing wrong with following their lead.
“A WIN for Romney would indeed be a huge set-back for conservatism.”
Actually, the setback occurred years ago. Do you mean it would be a worse setback if Romney were to win?
Romney will sign the obamacare repeal when the Republican Congress sends it to him.
So we need Romney AND a Republican Congress to repeal Obamacare.
You must have seen my posts calling this economic disaster a “hundred year storm”. ;-)
—***Obamacare is based on Romneycare. Just how ignorant are you?—
One’s national. One’s a state policy.
And Romney has said it will be his first priority. Not that I believe him.
Notice I didn’t say it WOULD get the death of Obama care. Note the first word in my post was “if”.
No. I’m not very ignorant on this issue. I’ve said that our choice is akin to a jew choosing between hitler and stalin. The forward thinkers take the next boat to th UK. In my case, I moved from my 45 year home of Seattle to rural central KY last year. I’m looking from my second story windo at my chicken coup, goat pen, tractor and large garden as I type this.
The 40x80x12 building I’m getting ready to erect will have solar cells on the top and i just learned how to use my soil to store the water from the Kentucky rain I’m getting, again, as I type this.
I have lost ALL faith in the US government and consider it the enemy of both small business but also state and local government.
One’s national. One’s a state policy.
***The national policy is based upon the state policy. Apparently you are more ignorant than you realize.
And Romney has said it will be his first priority. Not that I believe him.
***If you do not believe him, why are you trying to convince conservatives to part with their conservative principles to vote for this lying POS?
No. I’m not very ignorant on this issue. I’ve said that our choice is akin to a jew choosing between hitler and stalin. The forward thinkers take the next boat to th UK. In my case, I moved from my 45 year home of Seattle to rural central KY last year. I’m looking from my second story windo at my chicken coup, goat pen, tractor and large garden as I type this. The 40x80x12 building I’m getting ready to erect will have solar cells on the top and i just learned how to use my soil to store the water from the Kentucky rain I’m getting, again, as I type this.
***What a bunch of stream-of-consciousness CINO bowlsheet.
I have lost ALL faith in the US government and consider it the enemy of both small business but also state and local government.
***Then don’t vote for a statist who believes the opposite of what you believe. And furthermore, don’t stir up discord among conservatives. Obama thanks you for your stream-of-conscious bs discord that you have sown so far...
—***The national policy is based upon the state policy. Apparently you are more ignorant than you realize.—
I’m thinking you are just trying to get a rise out of me with the “ignorant” remarks. ;-)
Yes. I know the history of Romney Care.
***If you do not believe him, why are you trying to convince conservatives to part with their conservative principles to vote for this lying POS?
I believe I was tho one that posited the idea that an Obama second term shackled to a republican congess may be the best option. The only downside, really, is Obamacare would not be repealed.
You call Romney a POS. However, we are all flawed. When voting for someone for president, you are looking for the person who is “leased flawed” for the job. The one thing we have to fall back on regarding Romney is that he has publicly said that his first priority will be to revoke Obamacare.
Which would you prefer, the one who publicly WANTS obamacare, or the one who, publicly, has said getting rid of it is his first priority?
***What a bunch of stream-of-consciousness CINO bowlsheet.
Opinions vary. ;-)
***Then don’t vote for a statist who believes the opposite of what you believe. And furthermore, don’t stir up discord among conservatives. Obama thanks you for your stream-of-conscious bs discord that you have sown so far...
I went on record as saying I would not vote for Romney unless something dramatic happened. The SCOTUS decision was just that.
Meanwhile, I just thought I’d mention that your argument style may need a little polishing up. You seem to default to bullying. That’s fine if you back it up with facts, but just throwing out those quick quips doesn’t do it. But maybe this is a sort of “chess game” for you and you are working up to some unforeseen “checkmate” move. :-P
BTW, FWIW, we’ve both been here since 1998.
It appears that the author of this screed was given a typewriter to exercise his fingers after his pre-frontal lobotomy.
>> “ The Tea Party movement is not crazy about Romney. But I predict they will turn out in record numbers to defeat Obama.” <<
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Exactly.
And the Bo shills will continue to post vomit like this thread in hopes of saving his fetid corpse.
>> “Are you absolutely sure it doesn’t?” <<
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Well, not counting Roberts...
I was so taken back by your attitude that I read most of the thread. It is not just me you are attacking. It was a mistake to respond back to you, but I’ll do it this last time just to let you know why:
Your posts to me reminded me of the posting style of the liberals I spar with on the internet every day. The ad-hominem and disagreement with almost no supporting evidence and the basic attitude of “what, are you stupid?” is something I have no time for.
Done. Good luck on your quest to get half the site that disagrees with you banned like they do on DU.
BTW, FWIW, we’ve both been here since 1998.
***And yet your sign-in date is 2011 - 08 26
So does that mean you’re a retread?
You call Romney a POS. However, we are all flawed. When voting for someone for president, you are looking for the person who is “leased flawed” for the job.
***Why is it that you don’t take this up with JimRob, the owner of this website who refuses to vote for this lying, baby-killing statist? Oh, I know why. It has to do with someone who bootlicks authority and then kicks down those who are lower in authority...
People who write this tripe are political imbeciles. On the issues of Judges alone, the damage another 4 years of Obama appointed judges would do for the next two generations to our Republic would be incalculable.
You call Romney a POS. However, we are all flawed. When voting for someone for president, you are looking for the person who is “leased flawed” for the job. The one thing we have to fall back on regarding Romney is that he has publicly said that his first priority will be to revoke Obamacare. Which would you prefer, the one who publicly WANTS obamacare, or the one who, publicly, has said getting rid of it is his first priority?
***Ask JimRob. If he believed that was Romnutz’s first priority, maybe he could be persuaded to vote for a lying, baby-killing statist.
something dramatic happened. The SCOTUS decision was just that.
***What SCOUTS decision was that, which changed your vote from conservative to Lepubrican Librul? Perhaps you can convince JimRob to change his vote for this lying, babykilling statist.
I was so taken back by your attitude
***You mean, the same attitude as JimRob who refuses to vote for a lying, baby-killing statist?
Your posts to me reminded me of the posting style of the liberals I spar with on the internet every day. The ad-hominem and disagreement with almost no supporting evidence and the basic attitude of “what, are you stupid?”
***Tell you what. You post the same arguments to JimRob and we’ll see how it goes. Otherwise, maybe you’re just a bootlicker, posting to those in authority differently than those who have none.
I was so taken back by your attitude
***You mean, the same attitude as JimRob who refuses to vote for a lying, baby-killing statist?
You seem to see the words “opinion” and attitude as synonymous. They’re not.
After my last post to you. I read some of your posts to other people here and it confirmed what I suspected. You’re an internet bully. Oddly, I’ve never come across you here before that I can remember.
Also, I’ve never seen a poster invoke JimRob in their posts as much as you. It is as though you are attempting to bait people. Either that or you are taking a position contrary to your own in an attempt to get yourself banned. Either way, it doesn’t play well to those actually paying attention.
This really IS my last conversation with you. I noticed you take this attitude on any subject (not just this one) regarding folks you disagree with. I can get that kind of abuse on liberal sites.
Also, I’ve never seen a poster invoke JimRob in their posts as much as you.
***Yes, I started doing that a lot because I’ve noticed CINOs will post incredible insults to other freepers but not to JimRob who shares such positions. It’s basically a form of bootlicking, to say something different to someone who has authority than to someone who has no authority.
Good luck on your quest to get half the site that disagrees with you banned
***I have no real desire to get anyone banned. See below for my proposal to prevent such a thing.
However, you may be right that I’ve been engaging in some manner of “bullying” because apparently I’ve been put on some form of probation. My posts say this: “ Your comment has been submitted for review.” So, if I have overstepped a line that’s been drawn I would like to know where that line is, and apologize. It’s just too easy to cross an invisible line.
JimRob, can you please clear up where the line is that I’ve apparently crossed? Also, how about the proposal I copied you on before?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2905011/replies?c=403
To: wolfcreek
Nothing has changed about my principles, ethics, or my relationship with God but you sure couldn’t tell it from the way I’ve been treated here lately. Why?
***My guess is that JimRob doesn’t want to open another heart-wrenching bugzapper thread. So he allows the RINO squishes to bash conservatives.
If it were me, I’d post a boundary establishing thread that draws the line for both sides. If you have decided for yourself to vote for Romney, that’s your own choice that we disagree with. If you’ve decided to write in a conservative, that is also your own choice. Each Freeper makes their choice and the choice is respected
But if you try to separate conservatives from their conservative beliefs on this conservative website to get them to vote for a librul like Romney, you’re a librul and you’ve crossed the line. Similarly, if you call the Romney voters something like ‘squishes’ or ‘cowards’ or CINOs or ‘libruls’ then you have also crossed the line. Anyone who crosses the line gets one warning, then a timeout.
Seems like a simple way to keep the peace during such a troublesome time that the choice is 2 babykilling libtards.
368 posted on 07/11/2012 8:30:11 AM PDT by Kevmo ( FRINAGOPWIASS: Free Republic Is Not A GOP Website. It’s A Socon Site.)
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If it were me, I’d post a boundary establishing thread that draws the line for both sides. If you have decided for yourself to vote for Romney, that’s your own choice that we disagree with. If you’ve decided to write in a conservative, that is also your own choice. Each Freeper makes their choice and the choice is respected.
I called directly to the top for this several months ago, as soon as it became clear that Romney was pulling away with the nomination.
I was told pointedly that there would be absolutely no room on FR for those who thought supporting the GOP nominee was best for America.
Then there was the so-called “truce” that was utterly ill-formed and incoherent and failed to address any of the real issues at hand.
Now here we are, doing what we’re doing.
Oh, well. At least we’re making the DUmmies, the commies, Team Obama, the rent-seekers, the moochers, and the jihadis happy.
403 posted on 07/11/2012 11:08:13 AM PDT by rogue yam
To: rogue yam; Jim Robinson
Well, this is interesting. We’ve got a RINO squish agreeing with a hold-your-ground Conservative agreeing with eachother on how this situation should be handled on Free Republic.
540 posted on 07/11/2012 5:03:37 PM PDT by Kevmo ( FRINAGOPWIASS: Free Republic Is Not A GOP Website. It’s A Socon Site.)
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