Skip to comments.More than gay marriage driving Chick-fil-A flap
Posted on 08/03/2012 8:34:38 PM PDT by SmithL
ATLANTA (AP) When President Barack Obama said same-sex couples should have the right to marry, it was national news for a few days before the presidential campaign and the country went back to business as usual.
Yet weeks after a fast-food executive doubled down on his opposition to gay marriage, debate rages on about equality, religious values and free speech. "Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day" on Wednesday, with supporters flooding the chain's franchises around the country, was countered with "kiss-ins" by same-sex couples at assorted locations Friday, long after Chick-fil-A president Dan Cathy's initial comments to a religious publication touched off the clash.
That's an unusual amount of staying power for what initially looked like just another skirmish over a hot-button question.
Coursing throughout the conversations on social media, in letters to the editor and in long lines to buy chicken sandwiches is the sense among proud Southerners that the outcry over Cathy's comments smacks of regional stereotyping. When public officials in Boston, Philadelphia and Chicago tell a Southern icon such as Chick-fil-A that it's no longer welcome, and that Cathy should keep his opinions to himself, many in the Atlanta-based chain's home region hear more than a little northern condescension.
"Maybe the reaction is just because we're Southerners," said Rose Mason, who was lunching Friday at a Chick-fil-A in suburban Atlanta.
Mason, who described herself as Christian, said she grew up in New York City. Now, she said, "I deal with my sister telling me we're a little backward. People have this idea that we're just behind on everything. So they view anything we say through that (perception)."
Cathy, a devout Southern Baptist whose family has always been outspoken about its faith, sparked the controversy...
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LOL, it's the gays that doubled-down on zero tolerance for disagreement.
The media lies, and lies, and lies, and lies, and lies...
I love the equating of a massive record breaking sales day Wednesday with the non event of a ‘kiss in’. One, the action of hundreds of thousands, the other the action of hundreds.... Maybe.
We can have literally thousands of people show up hour after hour, and the DNCp will describe it in terms like this:
"Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day" on Wednesday, with supporters flooding the chain's franchises around the country, was countered with "kiss-ins" by same-sex couples at assorted locations Friday...
Makes it sound like a rather equal showing on both sides.
Never-mind that only a small group of 'kissers' showed up for an hour or so at just some locations, and that we had literally thousands or multiple thousands showing up at almost all Chick-Fil-A locations from open to close.
Democrat National Committee Propagandists
Agenda driven liberals really are insane.
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Albert Einstein
They got burned then and they're getting burned now.
"According to my opinion, and the opinions of many defectors of my caliber, only about 15% of time, money, and manpower is spent on espionage as such. The other 85% is a slow process which we call either ideological subversion, active measures, or psychological warfare. What it basically means is: to change the perception of reality of every American that despite of the abundance of information no one is able to come to sensible conclusions in the interest of defending themselves, their families, their community, and their country.It's a great brainwashing process which goes very slow and is divided into four basic stages.The first stage being "demoralization".... "--KGB Defector Yuri Bezmenov--Soviet Subversion of the Free Press (Ideological subversion, Destabilization, CRISIS - and the KGB)
If gays didn’t hate straights - or “breeders” as they contemptuously like to call them - so much, they wouldn’t believe that straights hate them so much......
Or the fact that people are STILL flocking to CFA....passed by there this evening after 7 pm and the drive thru line wrapped around the front of the building....
Bump! 10,000,000 on Wed; 10 on Fri.
Someone is trying a new angle.
We witness government officials with personal associations to the current Administration attempting to use the coercive power of their offices to limit the right of freedom of individual enterprise for a United States citizen, trample on his First Amendment right of freedom of expression, and his free speech and freedom of religion, and the writer of this "report" reduces the matter to a petty North/South thing!
They absolutely have. Their kissin’s won’t last as long as our hunger and wallets will.
But, bet your bottom dollar they will up the ante and go for the gold to get splashed all over the news.
If they confront me while I’m ordering, eating or otherwise minding my own business I’m going to ignore them no matter what they do.
Come election day the lies end and reality enters in.
Their numbers are more like 2%-5% at best. Even with the gay supporters, and there are numbers, they are such a small numbers that the rest of us need to realize that it is not the vast amounts of gay people in this country but who they and their supporters are: academia, politicians, Hollywood AND media.
In other words, they own our schools, our elected officials, our choice of entertainment and our information providers and they lie to us in telling us that we should give them everything we want.
Those of you with teens or even younger strong-willed children, can attest to their belligerence and even forceful demands to get their own way. If you are consistent in keeping the adults in charge in your homes, you know that these offspring do not give up but that doesn't mean that giving in makes life easier.
Not so, it only strengthens their resolve and their demands become more forceful in the future and life with a little dictator in your home is unimaginable.
That’s great. I saw another poster saying this today.
When I went by our local unit on Wednesday, I purposefully showed up at 2:45pm, and the place was mobbed. I wanted to see what the atmosphere was like at a time you’d normally think of as down time. There were 12 to 15 protesters on site, but they were outnumbered at least 10 to 1, and our side was replenishing their numbers every fifteen minutes.
That twelve folks had been there for hours.
A line on Friday evening, might be something you’d normally expect. I am glad to hear that your local store was getting a lot of business though. If this holds up, Chick-Fil-A may actually permanently double their income.
Not bad huh. Very cool...
I’ve never considered the Chic-Fil-A a north/south issue, not even a regional issue.”
Nowadays everything has to be categorized. All the business people I associate with that are from the east coast or north east consider fried chicken and watermelon to be southern food, along with chitlins, greens, cornbread and grits. Lots of people try to compare CFA with KFC or think it’s the same. I grew up in Kansas and we had fried chicken, potato salad and watermelon for Sunday dinner all summer long. I didn’t realize that I was a southerner when I lived up there.
Of course fried chicken is something also associated with Black people, farmers and the rest of us poor uneducated folk. It’s just so crazy and pointless.
I agree. What will take place though, is that the DNCp will tone it down weeks before the election, so they don’t look completely idiotic when the election takes place.
Of course they hope they can create enough buzz, that they won’t have to. This year they will have to.
We need to help this thing to stay alive with zero repeating his support for homos till election day. It will cost him some votes.
Hope so—before they can brainwash another ENTIRE generation in the public schools and through Brokeback Mt. and Glee type programming-— brainwashing and Normalizing the absurd debasing—dehumanizing behavior which removes God and Natural Rights and replaces it with unnatural rights from Barney Frank or Satanic values.
Sodomy was evil when Ancient civilizations indulged in it-—when slavery was good, women were chattel and child sacrifice (like now) was rampant and Sandusky’s were venerated and given complete pick of the boys. It has been a Vice for thousands of years ONLY because of Judeo-Christianity—Rightly so!!!!
Marxists/paganists/Satanists want to normalize pederasty again because it is the learned age of the perversion-—when they were abused. It is why Afghani boys lust for a harem of boys when they grow up. They learned it.
Sex Ed is curricula created by Cultural Marxists to destroy the innocence and morality of children—There is tons of articles on this—don’t allow it in govt. schools-—get govt OUT of the public schools—they are destroying Virtue on purpose.
The worldview reduces the same sex to sexual objects—which will destroy male friendships as we know it in Christianity. It is using others only for lust. Sexual acts are not “love” and “selfless” in homosexual acts-—which are unnatural and debasing. It leads to the sick cultures of hate-—for women especially, and the using of children for sex, like the Afghanis and Samurai and the Ancient Greeks, etc. did.
It wasn't an issue with me until a few socialist democrat mayors decided to make it one. Trying to keep a business out of their cities because they don't agree with the beliefs of its owner just reeks of totalitarianism.
When it hits the fan, these little local tin gods must be the first to go.
Yeesh, not only the North/South thing, but they try to spin Obama's support for gay marriage as no big deal, something that was a brief argument blown out of proportion. And of course they're implying it was Obama's opponents that blew his position out of proportion. They're trying to "normalize" Obama's position on gay marriage by saying it was silly to have a fight over it, suggesting there is nothing worth objecting to in Obama's position. Funny how they don't spin Romney's tax returns as a trivial matter, something which really is inconsequential to our lives. Of course the media controls who it wants to interview and what facts to report. Clearly they could have made the gay marriage debate an issue that didn't fade away if they wanted to. But they know it's a huge loser of an issue for Obama and would much prefer not to remind people about it.
“and that we had literally thousands or multiple thousands showing up at almost all Chick-Fil-A locations from open to close.”
So in other words, a SECOND “CFA Appreciation Day” in a row, and only a few fudge packers showed up?! The commies don’t realize what is bearing down on them, in 2012 even a dog-catcher with a (D) after his name had better start polishing the ol’ resume!;)
(ahem)Be on the south side of the ship channel when it hits.
It's funny how the left tells us gay marriage is "progressive," and Shep Smith tells us we're not living in the 21st century if we don't support it. Since when is Afghanistan's society considered a model of the future for anybody?
Bottom line is gay marriage is about one thing and one thing only, indoctrinating children into homosexual practices. It would produce the total normalization of homosexuality in official society and a direct equating of it to heterosexuality in every way and at every level. That means every child from the earliest age has to be taught that it is their equally acceptable choice whether to marry a boy or a girl when they grow up. There is a reason that a stigma is attached to homosexuality. It's to stop as many people as possible from engaging in it, because without that stigma, more of them will. The stigma would never have been invented in the first place if that wasn't true.
You can try to raise your kids the way you want, but many will be lost to the message coming from the media and the culture. When MTV, the colleges and the public schools are able to tell everyone with total authority that marriage can be homosexual or heterosexual with completely equal status either way, they have a powerful and devastating weapon at their disposal with which to dismantle a modern, healthy, stable society.
Leftists hate themselves and thus hate where they're from, in this case the U.S., and are simply using this issue as they do others to hurt and punish our country as much as possible. The dream of Obama and the leftists is equality of outcomes for everyone at all costs. That means tearing down America's wealth and power until we're functioning at the level of a third world country. America is simply too rich and too powerful for global "equality" to be achieved any other way except by destroying everything we have. Racking up our debt, dismantling our military, killing America's entrepreneurial spirit and innovation through taxes and regulation, legalizing an overwhelming number of third-worlders as U.S. citizens, and destroying the reproductive family unit with the promotion of homosexuality, abortion and birth control are all part of the plan to destroy our country from the inside out. This is the leftists' holy retribution for our unforgivable "sin" of having created, or in their mind stolen more wealth than any other nation on earth.
Just another battle in the eternal fight of good vs. evil.
We went today at 2:45. 4 gay protestors at the outer part of the parking lot...one ol’ geezer was holding a sign that said kiss me??? The parking lot was full, there were 5 cars in front of me and very shortly 6 more in line behind us.
The girl at the window said it just really hasn’t slowed down at all yet.
I also asked her if as media reported where people being rude about gay people, or affirming Cathy’s right to free speech, and supporting traditional marriage. She said not one rude comment had been made about gay people, it was all supportive towards the company.
Being a New Jersey to California transplant (some 40+ years ago), I hadn't thought about any north/south aspect either. I viewed it as liberal Democrat mayors abusing government power to punish a business owner for his religious beliefs.
If gays (as private citizens) want to boycott CFA, go for it. That's their right. If the mayors want to wield their political clout and use government power to ban CFA, that crosses a very wide, bright red line.
Yes. It is radical egalitarianism being forced on our children—boys are girls are dogs etc.-—No Natural Law Theory which is the basis of US Constitution and our Natural Rights from God. Marxists want no God—so the State is god. They want to dissolve all biological relationships because it promotes loyalty away from the collective and people will fight government for family and children—as all history reveals.
We are being conditioned to not only think it is a ‘right” to kill our biological progeny, but it is a right to commit sodomy—a Vice because it is the teleological misuse of the human body and gravely dysfunctional and is unnatural and nihilism. It destroys Just Law—Rule of Law—because Justice demands only promotion of Virtue.
All Founders and philosophers have known that the destruction of Virtue in the society—will collapse it (like Rome). Cultural Marxists (like Marcuse) knew to destroy Western Civilization (for one world order) they have to destroy the morality of the children. Sex Ed is the easiest way to corrupt and destroy the innocence of children. Even Rousseau knew that it was essential to keep children innocent of sex until after 12. We see our culture sexualizing children—since long before Jon Bennet Ramsey. “Pride Days” at schools decades ago was to normalize the abnormal. Diversity was to normalize evil behavior and Tolerance was initiated to condition children to not judge evil acts. This is all planned by the Cultural Marxists—a way to take down America. They had to totally transform the Christian paradigm into the Satanic one. They are succeeding. We need to destroy their brainwashing system—the public schools. (and turn off TV).
Individualism comes from Christianity—it is what elevated women (because Mary was the Mother of God). Women in Western Civ has had the most freedom and dignity ever allowed in any society—Non-Western societies never came close to the dignity that was taught through Christianity. And that dignity never existed in homosexual cultures which are sexist. Homosexuality is sexist. It is evil.
Dogs would probably be very insulted to find that they are being likened to humans. If they could understand it. Fortunately they don’t, and they just wag their tails no matter what you say about them.
I have nothing to back this up, just a strong gut feeling, but I think the Wednesday Chick-fil-A turnout is a sign of things to come in November. There is a quiet, simmering anger across America. Four years of Obama’s failed policies, world apology tours, high unemployment, skyrocketing prices, etc. are leading to a HUGE Republican turnout on election day.
Again, I have no proof, no scientific evidence. But I believe wholeheartedly that Obama is toast.
Someone is trying a new angle.Someone (MSM) realizes that they need to find a way to let the Chosen 0ne off the hook for this.
The North is still feeling their oats because they won the civil war. Even Republicans such as Peter King of New York, hate the idea of a party dominated by southerners. In England it is the opposite: people in the South think they are superior to those in the North..
As I've said here before this isn't about gay marriage, or gay rights, or our side trying to deny their side their "rights."
The Chik-fil-A bruhaha is about one's right to believe what one wants, and to say what one believes. No matter how badly the media and the liberals and the organized gay establishment want to twist it into a gay issue, it's not!
When the root issue is viewed correctly and factually, in the light of what Mr. Cathy said in the interview, we're actually standing up for their right, along with ours, to believe as we believe and to say what we believe.
But as the discussion is going (even here on FR), our free speech and belief cause is being shanghaied and twisted and perverted into a direct attack on gays -- a fight to the finish over gay marriage, winner take all. We shouldn't let the other side redefine our basic point for us.
If we fight this on their terms, we're giving them the high ground in the eyes of half the country. They have a right to speak their mind, as we do. They have a right to their beliefs, as we do. They're trying hard to deny us those rights; that's where the fight is. Let's stick with the Constitution and keep the high ground.
We're right. Let's keep it that way.
Christian hate: Sarah Palin supports anti-gay Chick-fil-A
But that's not the underlying issue in the CFA thing -- it's secondary, and much less important in context, in the big (constitutional and temporal) scheme of things. Dan Cathy is a Christian, and simply stated his Christian beliefs in an interview with a Christian publication.
He didn't attack anyone, or try to deny anyone their constitutional rights. That's the issue, and if we let the left convince folks that our principle point is that "the perverts have attacked and assaulted our GOD given blessings and protection," we're going to lose the issue with half the country. Don't help them do that.
Take a deep breath and think about it. Freedom of belief and speech are important whether the left or the right have the upper hand in the nation's politics. Tables turn in this country (and the world), and we don't know when He's coming back. Our job is to do what we can with what we have.
Various government officials, all of them liberal 'rats, wanted to abuse their positions of elective office "authority" to shut down or otherwise punish what they don't agree with.
That's part of the meme we need to consistently fire back with. Never fight an opponent on grounds of their own choosing, unless they can be brought to regret that choice. This issue, with the form it has taken, fits that qualification. Don't let it be about "gay" anything, until first it is driven home, firmly nailed down that it is primarily about freedom of speech, freedom of expression.
Re-establish freedom of speech, at the top as sacrosanct, then we regain lost ground so as to be able to more freely oppose that which we find heinous.
Free exercise of traditional religion is protected by the 1st Amendment also. This is a teachable moment, where we get to do the teaching.
When it comes to the likes of Rahm Emanual, give it to 'em good and hard. Take no prisoners. Do to them as they have long done to conservatives and traditionalists. Just make sure we make our shots, nothing but headshots. Go for the leadership. Don't get down in the gutter with the faggots and try to debate with them. Instead, put the 'Rat's down in the gutter with the fags who want to prohibit others God-given rights merely guaranteed by the Constitution.
Before you get to 'constitutional' rights expressed in written form there is that 'beginning' that certain unalienable rights come from the Creator... life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. There is NO life in perversion, and these perverts only have indecent liberties, and they sure as .ell are NOT happy. Personally, I know without doubt this nation was not the superpower of superpowers because we are the 'best' people, but because of DIVINE protection and blessings. I do not take that lightly and while my flesh life is most likely more than half over, I do love my children enough to stand against this evil that is spreading like diseases percolating in a sewer.
I was still referencing Wednesday, but I am hearing of heavy business even today Friday.
I also believe the Left has a rude awakening ahead in November.
Thank you for the report. That was good to ehar.
Thank you for the report. That was good to ehar. Hmmm, “HEAR”. LOL
But that's beside the point here. If we fight over gays and their perversions, ignoring the big issue of freedom of speech and belief, we'll lose the latter and, as a consequence, the former. It's really that simple. In our law and society, it's simply not true that "Before you get to 'constitutional' rights expressed in written form there is that 'beginning' that certain unalienable rights come from the Creator," because the Declaration of Independence is not law, and the Constitution is (or used to be...).
That may not be what God says is the best case, but we have His world to live in as we find it, and we're to work within that world to forward His plan. Right now, in that world, it's more important to preserve our right to speak out against the abominations we abhor than it is just to speak out in a given case against those abominations while our right to speak out is under attack -- as it certainly is now.
Sure, we all need to stand against this evil -- I'm not saying you're wrong to speak out -- but let's stand where the battle is, not where we (or they) want it to be.
Martin Luther said, If I profess with the loudest voice and clearest exposition every portion of the Word of God except precisely that little point which the world and the devil are at that moment attacking, I am not confessing Christ, however boldly I may be professing Him. Where the battle rages there the loyalty of the soldier is proved; and to be steady on all the battle front besides, is mere flight and disgrace if he flinches at that point.
Free speech, and free thought, are where this battle rages, my FRiend, and if we flinch on this one, we'll never get to the issues of homosexual perversion or gay marriage. We'll be silenced.
Tim Dunkin has a pretty good Christian perspective on it -- it's all about the other guys trying to tell us to sit down and shut up, and that's where we've got to confront them.
Stupidity riegns, would they be battling the muslims who have a far more radical view of the gay agenda? no! It’s about freedom fo speech fools
That’s pretty insane. Equivalent to saying pigs can fly even though they don’t have wings.
The reason there is so much ado about Chick-fil-a stating they are against gay marriage and so little about Obama saying he was for it, is because the homosexuals know that left alone to think about it, people will come to the conclusion that gay marriage is wrong, and that these are people doing something wrong. That is why all the hoopla they are creating about it. Note well the other side is doing nothing at all about the issue.
Ummm, almost a million citizens participated in supporting traditional marriage
...and a few hundred came to 'kiss in'?
That's NOT countered...
Yes, what is with that... Saw the same thing in Savannah last 2 days.
Especially if you happen to notice that there happen to be twenty cameras pointing at you.