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Man With Gun At Theater Wants Apology From Police(CO)
thedenverchannel.com ^ | 3 August, 2012 | Lance Hernandez

Posted on 08/04/2012 6:49:23 PM PDT by marktwain

DENVER -- What was supposed to be a regular night at the movies ended up being anything but for James Mapes on Sunday.

The Northglenn man was arrested in the middle of a movie at the Cinebarre Theater in Thornton after someone called police to report that a man had gone into the theater with a gun.

Mapes told 7NEWS that he’s worn his sidearm into the same theater several times.

“Never had a problem,” he said.

That changed on Sunday.

“The movie stopped and the lights came on,” Mapes said. “Someone said, ‘I just got a call from my friend who said there’s someone in the theater with a gun.’”

Mapes said he stood up told fellow patrons that he had a concealed carry permit.

He said he started to walk out and noticed all the police.

Mapes said, “I put my hands out and said, ‘I’m coming out, don’t shoot. I have a concealed carry permit. My gun is holstered.’”

He said police took his gun, handcuffed him and placed him under arrest.

“I’m kind of indignant about it,” he said. “I wasn’t doing anything wrong.”

Mapes said he wears his sidearm for safety reasons.

“A theater is no different than a grocery store or a gas station,” he said. “If a criminal is going to attack, you need to be able to defend yourself.”

Mapes attorney, Robert Wareham, said there should never have been an arrest.

(Excerpt) Read more at thedenverchannel.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: banglist; co; opencarry; theater
Notice they arrested him for a non-existant law, then the prosecutor had to dig to try to come up with something to charge him with.

The city should apologize quickly before it costs them money.

1 posted on 08/04/2012 6:49:37 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

What happened a couple weeks ago is all the more reason to carry.


2 posted on 08/04/2012 6:53:18 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (What if there is no tomorrow? There wasn't one today.)
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To: marktwain

and now he has an arrest to try to explain to anyone and everyone he tries to do business with.


3 posted on 08/04/2012 6:54:50 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Woe to them...)
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To: marktwain
The city should apologize quickly before it costs them money.

I hope it costs them money.

Then they should apologize.

4 posted on 08/04/2012 6:55:03 PM PDT by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: marktwain

This guy should sue the cops involved and the DA until they’re dead broke and starving. Have them stripped of their indemnity for willful violations of Civil Rights under false color of authority.


5 posted on 08/04/2012 6:56:20 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: marktwain

I totally empathize with the guy except on one point: context is king in matters like this.

Let’s see: Denver, Theater, Gun, Recent Incidents; what are the odds people would act differently this time than they did all the other times he carried in a theater.

Notwithstanding that this guy is the type of fellow who would have prevented a lot of what happened last month; that is bound to be lost on the 1) liberal bleeding-heart who reported him, and 2) the theater official who called the 3) cops who took the report.

If it’s me, in that context, I either 1) stay away from the movies, or 2) don’t pack openly. Context.


6 posted on 08/04/2012 7:03:21 PM PDT by Migraine (Diversity is great; until it happens to YOU.)
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To: marktwain

I wonder what the charge in Colorado is if an off duty officer goes berserk and shoots 70 shots into an occupied jail cell.

And if he should do this, can he still accept thank you cards from out of state?


7 posted on 08/04/2012 7:03:53 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Vote Obama he's unqualified on so many subjects, citizenship, history, economics, racism, allies...)
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To: Migraine

Ironic that he was at the movies, openly carrying, the night of the shootings.

Just not at the right theater.

He could have stopped the killings.


8 posted on 08/04/2012 7:05:43 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Liberals, at their core, are aggressive & dangerous to everyone around them,)
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To: DoughtyOne

I meant those comments to be related to the mass murderer that was arrested and still resides in a jail cell in Colorado.

I did not mean it to apply to the individual in this article.

It was my take from the headline that the mass murderer was making noises.

This guy should never have been arrested, and the police do owe him an apology.

Carry on...


9 posted on 08/04/2012 7:07:38 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Vote Obama he's unqualified on so many subjects, citizenship, history, economics, racism, allies...)
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To: marktwain

Conceal, Carry: Problem solved.


10 posted on 08/04/2012 7:09:02 PM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War" (my spelling is generally correct!))
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To: Balding_Eagle

I agree; I included that factor in my post. Tough issue. Technically, he was in the right; but practically, he walked into a buzzsaw he should have anticipated.


11 posted on 08/04/2012 7:11:06 PM PDT by Migraine (Diversity is great; until it happens to YOU.)
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To: Migraine
If it’s me, in that context, I either 1) stay away from the movies, or 2) don’t pack openly. Context.

He broke no law. There is no other context. This is simple Hoplophobia by libtards and jackboot cops.

12 posted on 08/04/2012 7:20:27 PM PDT by Azeem (There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury and ammo.)
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To: marktwain

City must have too much money.


13 posted on 08/04/2012 7:21:02 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: marktwain
“We’ve turned it over to the City Attorney’s Office,” said Police Department spokesman Matt Barnes. “They’ll decide whether to add charges, remove some or dismiss them.”

Translation: Depending on the "mood" we're in, we'll get together with the City Attorney's Office to decide whether to screw this guy out of his civil rights, or let him go.

14 posted on 08/04/2012 7:21:30 PM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: Azeem

If a 5-year-old kindergartner had just been killed in a school zone by a teen driving a monster-truck with loud pipes, and I have a monster truck with loud pipes, I’m not going to drive it through THAT school zone just because I can. I will avoid it out of respect for the context, and simple common sense. I hate unnecessary hassles. Just me. That’s how I would act.


15 posted on 08/04/2012 7:31:38 PM PDT by Migraine (Diversity is great; until it happens to YOU.)
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To: Migraine; All
Migraine wrote:

“If a 5-year-old kindergartner had just been killed in a school zone by a teen driving a monster-truck with loud pipes, and I have a monster truck with loud pipes, I’m not going to drive it through THAT school zone just because I can. I will avoid it out of respect for the context, and simple common sense. I hate unnecessary hassles. Just me. That’s how I would act.”

Marktwain replies:

I might find your argument convincing if he was carrying a shotgun, and an AR 15, two pistols, and full body armor with a helmet and gas mask.

But he was not.

A better analogy would be that he ordinarily drives through that school zone in an F150, and he chose to continue to do so, within all legal limitations. Then the police decided to stop him and throw him in jail because they did not think that people should drive trucks.

16 posted on 08/04/2012 7:39:37 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: Migraine
I hate unnecessary hassles. Just me. That’s how I would act.

Like a sheep.

Hey, there's been a few fatal car accidents in Arizona......so for context sake, quit driving for the next six months.

Also, since someone has used "fighting words," which are not protected as free speech under the 1st Amendment, you should probably stop talking for awhile too.

I mean, this is the natural progression of what you are talking about; one person act irresponsibly in the exercise of rights, so everyone should "use common sense" and forgo theirs.

17 posted on 08/04/2012 7:46:09 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy Saints surrounded.)
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To: Migraine

He sounds like a guy who has his head on straight.

Probably prepared for anything, including what happened. Not a good guy for the police to needlessly piss off. From the little we’ve learned of him, he might be a formidable opponent they just ‘woke up’.

I am very grateful for people like him. They are the pioneers taking the arrows.

I wish hm good fortune.


18 posted on 08/04/2012 7:57:39 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Liberals, at their core, are aggressive & dangerous to everyone around them,)
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To: marktwain
in NY, if you have a concealed weapon permit, it MEANS concealed... you can be arrested for open carry
19 posted on 08/04/2012 8:19:11 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode
in NY, if you have a concealed weapon permit, it MEANS concealed... you can be arrested for open carry

Colorado is an open carry state.

20 posted on 08/04/2012 8:39:14 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei
yes, but he made the statement:I’m coming out, don’t shoot. I have a concealed carry permit.

i was merely pointing out the difference in NY law...

21 posted on 08/04/2012 8:50:36 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: marktwain

It should cost them money anyway for false arrest. The City should know better.


22 posted on 08/04/2012 8:52:48 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: BerryDingle
“We’ve turned it over to the City Attorney’s Office,” said Police Department spokesman Matt Barnes. “They’ll decide whether to add charges, remove some or dismiss them.”

1) Did the theater have a posted warning about No Guns Permitted on these premises?

2) It sounds like James Mapes had a valid conceal/carry permit, plus another posting indicated that CO is also an open carry state as well.

3) If there was no posted warning and James Mapes had a valid conceal/carry permit, than what law was being broken that would cause the police to arrest Mapes or for the city attorney to consider pressing charges?

4) Unless Mapes violated a printed warning against No Guns Allowed on Premises, then I hope he sues the city & the police & the theater & the scumbag who called in the original complaint, for everything they're worth, plus more!

23 posted on 08/04/2012 8:57:10 PM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: Repeat Offender

Sheep? No, more like a snake — under the radar.

I’m not much of a movie-goin’ guy; but if I were, and I were carrying (which I always am), it would be concealed. If for no other reason, I would conceal out of respect for the comfort of my fellow movie-goers. Just because I CAN carry open, it doesn’t mean I want to spook the other folks.

I suppose you’d say, to hell with the other folks, they have no right to be spooked. I just don’t work that way. I like to be considerate.

BTW, your non-sequiturs on driving and talking are mind-boggling.


24 posted on 08/04/2012 9:31:36 PM PDT by Migraine (Diversity is great; until it happens to YOU.)
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To: Balding_Eagle

Holmes was prepared for a gunfight; he was protected better than most SWAT teams. Not sure the typical consumer-grade ammo would have even slowed him down.


25 posted on 08/04/2012 9:55:46 PM PDT by hsrazorback1 (Seek truth.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

The problem is that the wrong people are being forced to
fork over the $$$ to settle lawsuits that are caused by
zealous brain dead badgemonkeys. When “the city” pays
what that actually means is that “the taxpayer” pays. The
mayor, the city council, the chief of police and his badgemonkeys all get their regular check every two weeks, their bad behavior costs them nothing. That’s because whenever city employee does something bad the city is forced to eat the costs of that misconduct. Unless and
until willful misconduct, willful abuse and violations of
civil rights are paid for directly by the person responsible these abuses of authority will continue.


26 posted on 08/04/2012 10:18:31 PM PDT by nvscanman
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To: Zhang Fei

While Colorado is an open carry state, cities and counties may have laws against open carry (just took my ccw class). It is not advisable to open carry in Colorado as you might be legal on one side of a street and breaking the law on the other


27 posted on 08/04/2012 10:31:29 PM PDT by Mom MD (T he country needs Obamacare like Nancy Pelosi needs a Halloween mask)
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To: nvscanman

You’re exactly right.


28 posted on 08/04/2012 10:37:26 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: hsrazorback1
Holmes' vest -- according to the folks who sold it -- was a thin cloth multi-pocketed "photographer's vest" -- sold by them as a "tactical vest". IOW, he had no ballistic armor.

Even if he did have civilian ballistic armor, the backface trauma from a solid torso hit on it -- even from a 9mm -- is an extremely painful and bruising shock (and may include broken ribs)...

Even with armor, a few rounds into his torso and/or whacking on his helmet would have distracted, slowed, and disabled him enough for folks to tackle and disarm him.

But he lacked armor; those same torso hits would have dropped him.

29 posted on 08/04/2012 10:50:57 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: hsrazorback1
Holmes' vest -- according to the folks who sold it -- was a thin cloth multi-pocketed "photographer's vest" -- sold by them as a "tactical vest". IOW, he had no ballistic armor.

Even if he did have civilian ballistic armor, the backface trauma from a solid torso hit on it -- even from a 9mm -- is an extremely painful and bruising shock (and may include broken ribs)...

Even with armor, a few rounds into his torso and/or whacking on his helmet would have distracted, slowed, and disabled him enough for folks to tackle and disarm him.

But he lacked armor; those same torso hits would have dropped him.

30 posted on 08/04/2012 10:51:25 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: Monorprise

quite frankly, I’m getting damn sick of the cities, states and departments getting sued over crap like this. In the end, only the taxpayers suffer from higher taxes or limited services; there are no real serious incentives for things like this to be avoided... the employees are normally publicly reprimanded just for the sake of show and nothing else happens. Its about time to make people personally accountable and make them own their mistakes. I can guarantee you incidents like this would become a thing of the past. In this case, the arresting officers, their superiors, the DA and/or prosecutor should be held personally liable.


31 posted on 08/04/2012 11:06:46 PM PDT by FunkyZero (... I've got a Grand Piano to prop up my mortal remains)
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To: Mom MD

Apparently, the city of Thornton has no local ordinance that prohibits open carry to enforce the movie theater’s wishes. It’s usually the Dem cities that have ordinances against open carry. Denver being probably the worst, won a spit 3-3 Colorado Supreme Court decision that leaves a lower court, a local Denver judge’s ruling to prohibit open carry in the city limits. Pueblo being another Dem town, prohibits open carry in government or private buildings that post “no firearms.” But Colorado Springs is open carry friendly.


32 posted on 08/04/2012 11:23:46 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: TXnMA
Holmes' vest -- according to the folks who sold it -- was a thin cloth multi-pocketed "photographer's vest" -- sold by them as a "tactical vest". IOW, he had no ballistic armor.

First we heard carrot top was wearing ballistic vest body armor, then we learn that it was a tactical assault gear vest, and now I learn that it was multi-pocketed photog vest. LoL.


33 posted on 08/04/2012 11:36:06 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: nvscanman

Make lawsuit winnings come out of elected officials and got employee pension and retirement funds. That will end crap like this big time.


34 posted on 08/05/2012 12:20:33 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: hsrazorback1
Holmes was prepared for a gunfight; he was protected better than most SWAT teams. Not sure the typical consumer-grade ammo would have even slowed him down.

Am good friends with an avid shooter, ballistics expert who loads his own ammo and uses a chronographer (I think that's what it's called!) to measure load force, and has kept detailed logs of this stuff for years, and a retired LAPD watch commander. He's dismayed at the roll-over attititude of folks who think that body armor made the shooter unstoppable. This friend says that a .45 slug full load 230 grain bullet, at 950 feet per second, hitting that armor, would hit the body armor with about the equivalent force of a steep pipe whacking the wearer but good and hard. It would probably knock him down completely; it would assuredly make him stagger. If one, two, three CCers in there armed with .45s, locating the guy by his weapon's muzzle flashes, had hit the shooter, he'd have gone down. The .45s wouldn't have killed him or penetrated the armor, but they sure would have knocked him silly.

This guy, an experienced cop in a rough part of town, said this guy wasn't dressed that way in preparation for a gunfight -- he was dressed that way to keep himself from being killed by police when they finally showed up. In my friend's experience, which spanned a couple of decades, guys like Holmes never expect civilians to shoot back.

I've shot enough .45 rounds at 1/2 inch steel targets, in company with this guy, to believe him about what would have happened to Holmes ability to remain standing, armor "better than most SWAT teams" notwithstanding, if he'd been barraged by a half dozen rounds from a couple of .45s.

Concealed carriers, especially those armed with .45s, would very likely have saved many lives and injuries. Body protection or not.

35 posted on 08/05/2012 12:58:37 AM PDT by Finny (A deal with the devil is ALWAYS a losing proposition. Voting for Romney to avoid Obama is just that.)
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To: Red Steel

Wouldn’t have mattered what kind of vest it was. Go out to a shooting range that has steel targets and fire off a few dozen rounds from a .45 or even a .38 and see what happens. Even if the guy had had a full kevlar vest, a few rounds from a .45 would probably have knocked him on his ass — like being rammed with a steel pipe multiple times. The bullets wouldn’t have penetrated the vest, but they sure as heck would have battered him but good.


36 posted on 08/05/2012 1:05:35 AM PDT by Finny (A deal with the devil is ALWAYS a losing proposition. Voting for Romney to avoid Obama is just that.)
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To: Finny

I agree he’d get staggered. I only pointed out that the press got it wrong about him wearing body armor. Cue in the journalist’s “assault weapon” “ AK-47 identification picture.


37 posted on 08/05/2012 1:24:55 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel
The press got it wrong??/ You're kidding!!! {^)

The same press that considers having, say 400 rounds in an ammo box, as "stockpiling"?

And actually, my post wasn't aimed so much at you, it's just that I heard from this friend for the first time since the shooting only yesterday, and it was affirming to hear his well-qualified opinion. I shoot a bit and am around a lot of CC types, well trained, and was getting pretty sick of seeing all these "experts" on FR coming on and assuring everyone that because of Holmes' body armor (and it turns out it was about as "real" as the typical journalist's "automatic weapon"), CCers in that theater, had there been any, would have been powerless to stop him. I'm very familiar with what a regular ol' .45 slug does to a heavy steel target, and I can imagine the impact it would have on an average sized guy wearing a kevlar vest: it would probably knock him flat on his ass! Methinks a lot of folks opining on the futility of shooting at a guy wearing body armor, haven't done much actual shooting.

So it was nice to have my and my CC friends' conclusions that the shooter would have been knocked silly by .45 rounds hitting that body armor, confirmed by a true expert.

38 posted on 08/05/2012 1:41:40 AM PDT by Finny (A deal with the devil is ALWAYS a losing proposition. Voting for Romney to avoid Obama is just that.)
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To: Migraine
"I totally empathize with the guy except on one point: context is king in matters like this."

We don't suspend our constitutional rights for "context". Both the public and the police need to be trained to understand that. Which is precisely what the "open carry" civil liberties demonstrations are intended to do.

39 posted on 08/05/2012 4:05:37 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Migraine
I totally empathize with the guy except on one point: context is king in matters like this. Let’s see: Denver, Theater, Gun, Recent Incidents; what are the odds people would act differently this time than they did all the other times he carried in a theater. Notwithstanding that this guy is the type of fellow who would have prevented a lot of what happened last month; that is bound to be lost on the 1) liberal bleeding-heart who reported him, and 2) the theater official who called the 3) cops who took the report. If it’s me, in that context, I either 1) stay away from the movies, or 2) don’t pack openly. Context.

How many rights should we give up in order to practice other rights?

40 posted on 08/05/2012 4:19:08 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: Migraine
BTW, your non-sequiturs on driving and talking are mind-boggling.

Reason and logic just don't seem to be your strong point, so I'll explain it to you slow.............just because someone else commits a crime doesn't mean I, or anyone else, should forgo their rights. There is no context where this is so, not even 9/11.

41 posted on 08/05/2012 6:11:10 AM PDT by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy Saints surrounded.)
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To: Migraine
I totally empathize with the guy except on one point: context is king in matters like this.

[...]

If it’s me, in that context, I either 1) stay away from the movies, or 2) don’t pack openly. Context.

Context is indeed everything. With a recent example of what one armed nut in a theater can do when no one else is armed, I'm aware of feeling safer with several armed ordinary people around. Without that example, I probably wouldn't give it a second thought.

It really is a paranoia of objects. I saw another example recently at a birthday party for a young teenage girl who had received a mini-Leatherman knock-off as one of her presents (which turned out to be useful in opening some of her other presents). One of the other girls was freaked out by the two-inch blade on the tool...and a couple of the other girls began to join her assessment. Understand that this second girl is a cook, and regularly handles foot-long blades in dicing vegetables and meat. The issue was more-or-less-resolved by two other girls asking what the big deal was then pulling out their folding knives, one of which was about 4-inches.

The paranoia is silly, and goes directly opposite what should be making them feel safer.

42 posted on 08/05/2012 8:51:10 AM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: FunkyZero

A very Good point FunkyZero, I couldn’t agree more, we are after all suppose to be a republic, where individual leaders bare responsibly for their individual transgressions.


43 posted on 08/05/2012 1:21:52 PM PDT by Monorprise
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