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With These Words (Gay-marriage court ruling is a hit at straight weddings.)
New York Magazine ^ | Jul 27, 2012 | Sasha Issenberg

Posted on 08/04/2012 7:06:57 PM PDT by nickcarraway

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To: Venturer
Marriage belongs to Church’s . The Government got into the marriage business to make a buck on licenses.

Civil marriage means nothing except that the Government accepts it as a marriage.

Establish two diferent marriages, The Civil and the one by God. Any Church that engages in same sex marriage is merely going against the Bible and the marriage is meaningless.

Yes, yes, yes.

Except - take the word "marriage" out of what the government does. Civil "union," okay. Not marriage. Marriage is a spiritual joining, connected with a church or a spiritual tradition or spiritual ceremony - not government. Period.

Then, let anyone "marry" anyone under their faith. So you're not just married - you're married under the Catholic Church, or the Unitarian Church, or the Jewish faith, or the Hindu faith.

But civil union is government, as an administrative function.

You know what this does? It not only ends the gay marriage argument - it returns marriage to its proper place in society: before God, rather than before government.

That's why it can't be resolved as it is - it's being argued wrongly by BOTH sides.

21 posted on 08/04/2012 9:39:25 PM PDT by Talisker (Isaiah 41)
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Good points. The marriage debate is not about marriage. It is about destroying the power of faith and the church. These will then be replaced by a secular progressive order in which the state alone will be worshiped. For an example look to the Episcopal Church. For decades the Gays preached tolerance. Once they gained power they crushed anyone who opposed them. A similar fate awaits our country.


22 posted on 08/04/2012 10:09:46 PM PDT by Judge Kovitzky (Eat more chicken.)
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To: Venturer

” Marriage belongs to Church’s . The Government got into the marriage business to make a buck on licenses.”

I think you would find that it started with Henry VIII wanting to get a divorce. But it really got popular with the eugenics movement.


23 posted on 08/05/2012 2:46:00 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good-Pope Leo XIII)
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To: nickcarraway

Leave it to the homo-Nazis to make even a wedding a political event.


24 posted on 08/05/2012 6:15:38 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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Civil marriage

There's an interesting oxymoron ... Can it be a "marriage" if it has only a secular dimension? Isn't that just another name for "contract?"

25 posted on 08/05/2012 7:36:11 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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The marriage debate is not about marriage. It is about destroying the power of faith and the church.... For ... example look to the Episcopal Church. For decades the Gays preached tolerance. Once they gained power they crushed anyone who opposed them.

You're right on this Judge - 'tolerance' wasn't a belief system with them, it was a tool to use against us. Once they got the power, they tossed the tool.

I fear we've all been played for fools. The good thing about this Chich'fil'A thing, is it forced leftists to show us their true colors. They don't care about prejudice based on creed - they care about 'advantage' for their side. It's an eye-opener...

26 posted on 08/05/2012 9:25:57 AM PDT by GOPJ (Political correctness is simply George Orwell's Newspeak by a non-threatening name. FR- Bernard Marx)
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How would Sasha Issenberg write about the ‘love’ shared by a man and 50 potential ‘immigrants’ to the United States who all ‘love’ each other...

There was a time when people wouldn’t let blacks vote - and that was wrong so THEREFORE when people don’t like a man wanting to marry 50 men who want to be citizens of the United States, it’s a ‘Civil Rights’ issue, right?

Only haters could deny that ‘love’ right?


27 posted on 08/05/2012 9:30:14 AM PDT by GOPJ (Political correctness is simply George Orwell's Newspeak by a non-threatening name. FR- Bernard Marx)
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