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Time's up for climate change deniers
New Jersey Star-Ledger ^ | August 5, 2012 | by Star-Ledger Editorial Board

Posted on 08/05/2012 6:19:52 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

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1 posted on 08/05/2012 6:20:01 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Time's up for climate change deniers

And time is running out for climate change alarmists. Winter is just around the corner.
2 posted on 08/05/2012 6:23:12 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

What idiots! It’s called WEATHER. Hello, it’s changed every day for my entire 65 years now. Maybe these clowns should hook up with the good old earth island institute or sky island alliance. Insufferable fools. Maybe they might want to move their operations to a little higher ground before it’s too late.

Helping keep mankind warm for 65 years.


3 posted on 08/05/2012 6:26:08 AM PDT by rktman
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The ability of journalists to display their scientific ignorance never fails to amaze.


4 posted on 08/05/2012 6:26:13 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Even skeptics are starting to come around.

you wish

5 posted on 08/05/2012 6:27:01 AM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2171973/Tree-ring-study-proves-climate-WARMER-Roman-Medieval-times-modern-industrial-age.html


6 posted on 08/05/2012 6:27:54 AM PDT by Mechanicos (When did we amend the Constitution for a 2nd Federal Prohibition?)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

So......we’ve heard about this disastrous sea rising for 2 decades. Yet it never rises. If things were so bad,would we not have some evidence?


7 posted on 08/05/2012 6:28:38 AM PDT by ilgipper ( November cannot come soon enough)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Nobody’s denying climate change. Its the idea that it’s man-made is what we have a problem with. Fools.


8 posted on 08/05/2012 6:29:24 AM PDT by Keeper of the Turf (Fore!!!)
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9 posted on 08/05/2012 6:29:28 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

sitting in my kitchen at the moment

i won’t deny it, pretty nice . got the door open to the yard, dog sleeping in the doorway. bout 68 degrees, clear sky.

denial, when you want the very best.


10 posted on 08/05/2012 6:29:28 AM PDT by beebuster2000
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To: cripplecreek

Editorial Board - a group of ultra liberals who meet on a regular basis to construct big, bigger and biggest lies in the hope that reality can be made meaningless.


11 posted on 08/05/2012 6:29:35 AM PDT by hflynn
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Bridges and roads can be designed to “work” in any temperature environment.
Houses can be moved further inshore or put on stilts.
Naked natives of islands inches above sea level can be relocated.
Man can live with climate change.
Man cannot materially change earth’s atmosphere or solar activity. Science is no where near up to those tasks.
Adherents to MMGW are technologically ignorant and delusional.


12 posted on 08/05/2012 6:29:47 AM PDT by bossmechanic (If all else fails, hit it with a hammer)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Were DOOMED Yawn!


13 posted on 08/05/2012 6:30:57 AM PDT by bikerman (Obama lied,economy died.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Two years ago when we were gripped by the worst winter in decades the climatists all screamed “Weather is not Climate!”. In 1970 they screamed “The ocean will be dead in 10 years”. I call BS.


14 posted on 08/05/2012 6:32:07 AM PDT by jdsteel (Give me freedom, not more government.)
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To: Keeper of the Turf
Nobody’s denying climate change.

Lest we forget these same insightful humanists guaranteed an ice age by the 1970's.

15 posted on 08/05/2012 6:32:26 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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So now it’s climate ignorance. I keep asking to no avail: where are the mathematical proof statements? If asking equates to ignorance then we apparently have a dilemma with no solution.


16 posted on 08/05/2012 6:32:39 AM PDT by gcraig (Freedom is not free)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Whenever the alarmists open their mouths, demand that they describe under what conditions Man Made Global Warming is *not* happening.

And do not let them get away with circular arguments, like “MMGW isn’t happening when it isn’t happening”, or “MMGW isn’t happening when there is global cooling.”

The reason that a “negative case” for MMGW must be demanded of them is because they are saying, in effect, that *everything* proves MMGW. Hot, cold, storm, clouds, El Nino, La Nina, melting icecaps, freezing icecaps, teen girls wearing revealing clothing and too much makeup, you name it.


17 posted on 08/05/2012 6:33:02 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Green is the new Red.


18 posted on 08/05/2012 6:35:10 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
This drivel is what is put forth as rational thinking???!!

The article apparently can't even get the Beserkley professor's name right.

You know what is scary about this?:

It’s our national climate illiteracy, reinforced by a well-funded misinformation campaign, that kept the population on the fence despite decades of science. Even today, too many students are taught by schools that have been cowed into thinking it’s democratic to “teach the debate” instead of teaching the facts.

You vill tink the way ve say and you vill LIKE it. Ve pick the facts!

19 posted on 08/05/2012 6:35:10 AM PDT by sauropod (You can elect your very own tyranny - Mark Levin)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

OMG!! The weather is changing? I need the govt. to protect me and change it. They need to legislate more sunspots. Maybe a coordinated jumping program can change the planet’s rotation and fix it.


20 posted on 08/05/2012 6:37:10 AM PDT by wrencher
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Global warming my arse!

Over the last two thousand years the earth has actually COOLED slightly even with ALL the human activity that has occurred in that period so say REAL scientist!

http://www.americanthinker.com/printpage/?url=http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/07/two_millennia_of_global_cooling.html


21 posted on 08/05/2012 6:37:27 AM PDT by Bigun ("The most fearsome words in the English language are I'm from the government and I'm here to help!")
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To: cripplecreek

The judicious use of emotionally charged language in the article is quite revealing.

The term “climate change skeptic” has fallen out of vogue, because “skeptic” is not emotionally-charged enough.

Therefore, “skeptics” have become “deniers”, which sounds an awful lot like “holocaust deniers”.

Oh, I’m SUUUUUUUUUUUURE that’s not intentional. ;)


22 posted on 08/05/2012 6:38:54 AM PDT by Kriggerel ("All great truths are hard and bitter, but lies... are sweeter than wild honey" (Ragnar Redbeard))
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23 posted on 08/05/2012 6:39:03 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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climate is changing. always has, always will. Not much man can do about it


24 posted on 08/05/2012 6:40:05 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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“Extremes in heat and cold are buckling highways, railroads and runways. “

These maroons (a little Bugs bunny lingo) have discovered that we have summer and winter.

How arrogant of them. The state I live has 140 years of weather records so far. How shortsighted and uninformed to speculate that we have any idea of what “normal” is.

25 posted on 08/05/2012 6:40:52 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Encourage all of your Democrat friends to get out and vote on November 7th, the stakes are high.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Please, let me translate this one.

What this means is that enough time has passed since the global warming farce discovered at the Climate Research Unit at England’s University of East Anglial that most people, if they paid any attention at all to the scandal in the first place, have now forgotten about it and we, in the media, can start pushing the farce again as truth.


26 posted on 08/05/2012 6:40:56 AM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: hflynn

Its not even about climate. Here in Michigan we’re fighting the idiots who want to tear out all the dams that could produce the greenest “RELIABLE AND PROVEN” energy there is.


27 posted on 08/05/2012 6:41:29 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: gcraig
I keep asking to no avail: where are the mathematical proof statements?

You're setting yourself up if you ask for this. I'm sure that if mathematical proof is wanting, they can always find a mathematician or two to whip it up.

28 posted on 08/05/2012 6:43:03 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: cripplecreek
Winter is just around the corner.

It's not too late! Pay up now, you cheap *&*^*^%!

29 posted on 08/05/2012 6:43:49 AM PDT by metesky (Brethren, leave us go amongst them! - Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond, The Searchers)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

http://butnowyouknow.net/those-who-fail-to-learn-from-history/climate-change-timeline/


30 posted on 08/05/2012 6:44:15 AM PDT by CommieCutter
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“Winter is just around the corner.”

Yep, and it is the “Sun” Stupid. We are coming out of the longest, quietiest and deepest sunspot minimum in my lifetime. It has been know for over 100 years that during sunspot minimums and maximums weather is more variable. Now we are seeing huge flares and this too shall pass.

The Next Grand Minimum

http://nextgrandminimum.wordpress.com/2011/07/31/mission/

“The Maunder Minimum was named in honor of Edward W. Maunder, an earlier astronomer who had examined the period between 1645-1715 when sunspots became extremely rare. It was also a period when the world experienced successive crop failures.”

“During one 30-year period within the Maunder Minimum astronomers observed only about 50 sunspots, as opposed to the thousands in modern times. The science is robust, and based on a systematic program of observations conducted by the Observatoire de Paris. The Maunder coincided with the coldest part of the so-called Little Ice Age, during which Europe and North America experienced bitterly cold winters.”


31 posted on 08/05/2012 6:44:55 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: paul51

Hottest driest summer in a long while in my part of the country. I’ve even got full sized trees looking like they’re dying.

It happens and next year is another year.


32 posted on 08/05/2012 6:44:55 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: gcraig
How much does the government want to fix the planet and how long
will it take, and what is the plan? Oh, and what's broken exactly?

I wouldn't be ignorant if they just told me the answers, but it seems to be a secret.
And darn if i didn't save my decoder ring from that 1978 box of cereal.

33 posted on 08/05/2012 6:46:44 AM PDT by MaxMax
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34 posted on 08/05/2012 6:48:42 AM PDT by CommieCutter
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It must be global warming....it’s been REALLY hot here the last two months, and.....uhhh, what’s that? I live in Mississippi, where it ALWAYS gets hot in July and August?....nevermind.


35 posted on 08/05/2012 6:49:51 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Obama does not have the work ethic to be Anti-Christ.)
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Sea levels could rise a foot by 2050

And I COULD get his by a falling piano while on my way to cash my lottery ticket.

Retrofits will take generations. The cost is incalculable. Imagine the cost of ignoring it.

Exceeded only by the cost of succumbing to discredited hysteria.

If the people who control the decisions and the purse strings continue to deny climate change, whether for politics or ignorance, a lot of folks will be left under water.

If the people who make the decisions elect to waste trillions defending against a fabricated bogeyman, a lot of countries are going to be left insolvent.

36 posted on 08/05/2012 6:50:30 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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Warming also means longer and more productive growing seasons, less use of fuel for heating.


37 posted on 08/05/2012 6:51:28 AM PDT by beenaround
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38 posted on 08/05/2012 6:54:37 AM PDT by CommieCutter
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Then how come I have been able to turn off ac every evening around 9pm and sleep with windows open. I am in central Florida and I can’t remember ever doing this. Global warming my a@@. Yesterday morning it was 66 degrees.


39 posted on 08/05/2012 6:54:44 AM PDT by Rapunzel (Run SARAH run)
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But I’ve never denied climate change. In fact, I’ve always stated climate change occurs regularly. For a period of about thirty years starting in the late 1940s, the climate in the northern U.S. cooled dramatically. By about 1980 the pattern reversed, and we are now in a period of slight warming. But if co2 affects the weather, why did the climate cool in the late forties when the U.S. was in the midst of a great post-war industrial expansion which spewed billions-trillions more co2 into the atmosphere than pre-war?


40 posted on 08/05/2012 6:54:54 AM PDT by driftless2
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Anthropological Global warming would be believable if not for some stubborn facts that the AWG proponent keep avoiding.

1. The sun place a massive role in warming.
2. Mars warmed at the same time earth did
3. Every doom and gloom prediction has come and past without disaster.
4. The AWG experts consistently fail to recognize similar warming periods throughout history.
5. The “cures” all lead to control of successful countries.
6. The “cures” all lead to the redistribution of wealth.
7. AGW science has turned into a religious cult including tithing, worship, heretics, etc...
8. AGW Computer models can’t predict weather that has already happened.
9. AWG leaders don’t act in their personal lives as if AGW was true.
10. The IPCC reports include hearsay that has been proven false and has been admitted to by the IPCC.
11. Temperature monitoring stations are in disrepair, not positioned in correct locations.
12. Stations that show cooling have been found to be deleted form the data.
13. Countries have found that their submitted raw data doesn’t match the “official” data.
14. Ice data has been manipulated.

This is just my short list.


41 posted on 08/05/2012 6:55:07 AM PDT by Dutch Boy
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To add to the list:

15. The ‘ultimate cure’ involves massive de-population, taking the world count down from 7 blillion plus to just 500 million people. How do they plan to accomplish this?


42 posted on 08/05/2012 7:00:40 AM PDT by hoagy62 ("Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered..."-Thomas Paine. 1776)
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Photobucket They're also melting light fixtures in Oklahoma!!! Oh! That's right it was a dumpster fire!!!
43 posted on 08/05/2012 7:05:49 AM PDT by ontap
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I’d willingly admit that climate has wiped out entire civilizations millions of years ago and probably more than once. So what? It is out of our control!!!!! We can’t change it.


44 posted on 08/05/2012 7:06:30 AM PDT by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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I dont deny that earth climate is changing- it has endlessly or Manhhattan would still be under a mile of ice

However I do deny that man caused it or can stop it or slow it down by taxing the rich and turning our lands and seas into noise polluting humming buzzing windfarms

root cause is the sun, and/or internal thermal processes

I can’t wait for the first space comapny to discover “fossil fuels” on a moon or an exoplanet


45 posted on 08/05/2012 7:09:54 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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I understand India went green a few years back. They opted for solar, iirc. , and less coal. Result; mega millions without power in summer for several days.


46 posted on 08/05/2012 7:16:08 AM PDT by chiller (More T-Partiers needed, especially in the Senate and WE can lead.)
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I understand India went green a few years back. They opted for solar, iirc. , and less coal. Result; mega millions without power in summer for several days.


47 posted on 08/05/2012 7:16:21 AM PDT by chiller (More T-Partiers needed, especially in the Senate and WE can lead.)
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Fellow deniers, we must acceppt the fact that this is a serious issue, and has been for some time:


48 posted on 08/05/2012 7:20:45 AM PDT by Iron Munro ("Jiggle the Handle for Barry!")
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The solution to all the problems of “climate change”, formerly known as “global warming”, is to invest a central government with the power to override the decisions of individuals in a free society and inflict solutions that come from brilliant, intellectual, intensely intelligent, atheist, non-Christian geniuses who will direct everything with the limitless abilities of their brilliant minds;
those who advocate “free market” solutions will be ground into dust by being discredited as bible-thumping,
gun-loving, knuckle-dragging morons.

IMHO


49 posted on 08/05/2012 7:47:31 AM PDT by ripley
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Ping!


50 posted on 08/05/2012 7:48:29 AM PDT by sauropod (You can elect your very own tyranny - Mark Levin)
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