Skip to comments.Champaign-Urbana Buyback Doesn’t Want Everyone’s Gun(IL)
Posted on 08/05/2012 6:52:01 AM PDT by marktwain
Guns Save Life and their honcho John Boch have made plenty of news in the last few weeks. And a few waves, too. Theyre the group that raked in thousands by hauling a load of busted junkers up north to Mogadishu on Lake Michigan, all to fund an NRA gun camp for kids. But not everyone was amused. So when the Champaign-Urbana area thats Guns Save Lifes back yard held their own buyback yesterday (final tally: 104 guns collected), they were braced for a repeat performance. Heres Johns account of one participants experience . . .
The former Urbana, Illinois Assembly of God Church, now known as Stonecreek Church, sponsored a gun buyback in Champaign on Saturday, August 4th. Instead of the no questions asked policy that was advertised, one family who turned in guns found a cumbersome, contentious experience complete with lots of questions and a healthy dose of rudeness and intimidation.
Darren Lucas of Rankin, Illinois said he arrived bright and early with four guns in tow. Accompanied by his wife, the two were taken aback at the inquisitive atmosphere right out of the gate, especially in an atmosphere with so many police officers around.
Its supposed to be a no questions asked event, but the first thing out of their mouth was Are you friends with John Boch?, Lucas said. How is that relevant to this? Lucas said he asked the man he believed to be the churchs pastor, Gary Grogan. We dont want to waste our money on friends of John Boch, the pastor replied. You know, we dont have to accept your guns.
No pertinent questions would be a better description of their policy, Lucas laughed when describing the inquisitive process of turning his guns in. It took Lucas nearly a half hour to surrender three of his guns and get paid for them.
They wanted to know what kind of guns I had, what caliber and so forth, Lucas recalled. The intimidation began when they wouldnt accept his rusty old .22 rifle that was missing pieces and parts for a $50 card. Lucas asked for it back and they reluctantly returned it.
Then, after providing him a brochure, they offered him only two pre-paid credit cards for the three guns they accepted. When Lucas asked where the third card was, another church pastor, Terry Austria, rudely said they would only give a maximum of two cards per person.
Heres my wife. There are two of us. If youre not going to pay me for it, give me a gun back, Lucas told Austria. Austria rudely refused and told Lucas to talk with the police officer if he wanted to retrieve his gun.
After five or ten minutes of back and forth, the churchs representatives found they werent going to intimidate the Lucas family out of that third card. Pastor Austria, with tears in his eyes passed the third card over, asking What are you doing here?
It was so bizarre, Lucas recalled.
In the first half-hour of the four hour event, Mr. Lucas said he estimated the sponsors took less than a half-dozen guns from the first three people there. There were probably eight cars behind us, he said when they left at 10:30. This would suggest the events sponsors were going to fall well-short of their target of 400 guns collected.
Other observations from Mr. Lucas: They asked each of the first three people present if they were friends with John Boch and quizzed them about the make, model and caliber of the guns they were turning in.
Approximately ten police officers were present from various departments as part of this event, hardly making it anonymous for any known local criminals who might have taken advantage of the offer.
The Urbana police officer taking the guns wasnt as familiar with handling the ancient Iver-Johnson break-open revolvers as he might have been. Lastly, the Urbana Police Department is taking custody of the turned in guns and the Urbana Police Chief Pat Connelly has pledged that all guns will be destroyed, without exception. Lucas said the guns he turned in were certainly far from range-worthy. These were junk, he said. Pure and simple.
Unlike the earlier Chicago buyback, Guns Save Life declined to participate in the Champaign buyback due to the low prices offered by the sponsors.
John Boch says:
Pastors behaving badly
by John Boch
(GunNews) I spoke with Pastor Gary Grogan of Urbanas Stonecreek Church, formerly known as the Urbana Assembly of God church some weeks ago after the formal announcement of their gun buyback program.
He claimed he was a member of the NRA and seeks more gun safety education to keep our families safer. I told him we shared that desire and Guns Save Life would be delighted to work with the church in that endeavor, but that we saw gun buy backs as misguided foolishness.
Out of respect for a church that some of our members attend and the meager offer for guns, I told Grogan that Guns Save Life would not be participating and would not work to embarrass them as we did Chicago earlier this summer.
True to our word, we didnt participate.
However, when I heard from of the rudeness, intimidation and unpublished conditions imposed upon those who wished to participate I was shocked.
Men of the cloth acting impolitely to their neighbors? Men of the cloth telling others to lie to those who wished to surrender unwanted guns per published terms?
What has our nation come to?
It makes me doubt Pastor Gary Grogan is really an NRA member as he repeatedly claimed in his phone call with me.
Im reluctant to call a Christian pastor a liar, so Ill make a public offer for the good Pastor Grogan: Ill trade a legal, firing sawed-off shotgun for a copy of your current NRA membership card and your valid FOID card with 24-hours notice before August 31, 2012.
These people are idiots. The kinds of people who would trade in their guns for token sums of money are not violent criminals, who need them as a basic tool of the trade.
It looks like the end may be in sight for these stupid buybacks. Our side is begining to 'take unfair advantage' of them.
I like the idea of holding a “buy-back” in a town with a pro-gun police force, as trade-ins for newer and better guns.
It works with used car trade-ins, so why not guns?
The pro-gun police would do a quick serial number check to see if the gun was wanted as evidence in a crime, but once accepted for a dollar amount, then the gun user could select their new gun from a catalog, or would get a coupon for that dollar amount to buy a new gun from participating gun stores.
And, they could rub salt in the wound by saying that the purpose of the “buy-back” is to get old, poorly maintained guns off the street as they are unsafe, replacing them with new, well functioning guns.