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Sikh temple shooting suspect identified as Wade Michael Page; Motivation unclear
CBS News ^ | August 6, 2012

Posted on 08/06/2012 6:03:54 AM PDT by Zakeet

The suspect in a shooting that left six people dead at a Sikh temple in suburban Milwaukee on Sunday has been identified as Wade Michael Page, who served in the U.S. Army for about six years.

According to sources in the U.S. Army, Page enlisted in April 1992 and given a less-than-honorable discharge in October 1998. He served at Fort Bliss, Texas, in the psychological operations unit in 1994, and was last stationed at Fort Bragg, North Carolina, attached to the psychological operations unit. The details of his discharge were not immediately clear.

Wade was killed outside the temple in a shootout with police officers after the rampage that left terrified congregants hiding in closets and others texting friends outside for help.

Officials had previously described the suspect as a heavy-set, 40-year-old Caucasian with numerous tattoos.

Sources tell CBS News some unspecified evidence suggests race or ethnicity may have played a role in the violence, but no links to extremist groups have been confirmed.

Local police called the attack an act of domestic terrorism, but other sources tell CBS News correspondent Bob Orr it may be more accurate to refer to "an investigation into a possible hate crime."

Neither the local nor the federal sources provided further details or suggested a possible motive, including whether the suspect specifically targeted the Sikh temple.

(Excerpt) Read more at cbsnews.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: domesticterrorism; endapathy; lessthanhonorable; massacre; psyops; punkrockband; sikh; sikhtempleshooting; wademichaelpage; wadepage; wisconsin
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We may not know very much about the shooter or his motives yet ... but we do know enough to say that this is definitely a hate crime ... caused by a crazed Tea Party backed gun nut!

1 posted on 08/06/2012 6:04:01 AM PDT by Zakeet
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To: Zakeet

Oh good. This morning Fox News said he was still active duty. I see he was discharged with a less than Honorable. Fox News misreported. I was sad that it could have been an active duty. I am very glad he wasn’t. With the Less than Honorable Discharge, this is going to end up better than we think. Chances of him being a Republican or Tea Party are slim to none now.


2 posted on 08/06/2012 6:07:21 AM PDT by napscoordinator (Attention Republican National Convention voters....Santorum/Bachmann 2012! Dump liberal Romney NOW!)
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To: Zakeet

Perhaps he was just Sikh of it all.


3 posted on 08/06/2012 6:07:37 AM PDT by Moltke ("I am Dr. Sonderborg," he said, "and I don't want any nonsense.")
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To: Zakeet

US news media: sometimes ya gotta wait till all the facts are in, & sometimes ya just gotta jump in with both feet.


4 posted on 08/06/2012 6:09:07 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Zakeet

My diagnosis: C-R-A-Z-Y.


5 posted on 08/06/2012 6:09:20 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved or not at all.)
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To: Zakeet; Hunton Peck; Diana in Wisconsin; P from Sheb; Shady; DonkeyBonker; Wisconsinlady; JPG; ...

Sikh Temple shooter identified

FReep mail me if you want on, or off, this Wisconsin intterest ping list.


6 posted on 08/06/2012 6:09:56 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic (ABO)
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To: Zakeet
Sources tell CBS News some unspecified evidence suggests race or ethnicity may have played a role in the violence

Unnamed sources with unspecified evidence about an uncertain role in the violence.

This is what passes for "news" at ABCNNBCBS these days.

7 posted on 08/06/2012 6:10:13 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Zakeet
"Motivation unclear"

How about "He was a frickin' lunatic." Who care what his motivation was?

Unless he was right-wing, Tea party, Climate-change-denying, Romney-voting, or something else the MSM can make some hay over.....

8 posted on 08/06/2012 6:11:46 AM PDT by wbill
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To: Zakeet
And he was in the pay of the Comrade El Presidente Imam Hussein Obama.

Christallnacht.. Believe in it

9 posted on 08/06/2012 6:13:56 AM PDT by Blado (Democrats - the party of juvenile unresolved daddy issue rage.)
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To: Zakeet
The Obama/Holder Dept. of Just Us, the MSM, et al seem delighted to make a white supremacy connection to a shooter -- though still likely to be only a "lone wolf" connection.

Tom Metzger (white supremacist) is/was the leader of a group called "White Aryan Resistance" (WAR).

Years ago some "skinheads" murdered a black man. A civil trial brought against Metzger by the SPLC obtained a multi-million dollar decision against Metzger. IIRC the skinheads were not members of Metzger's group, never attended meetings, but were said to be influenced by the group's public statements and telephone-based messages.

IMO the Obama/Holder Dept. of Just Us, the MSM, et al will claim that the murderer was influenced by the Tea Party movement but will not say that he was a member; nevertheless the Tea Party will be blamed and legal action will follow. Why not? The Obama/Holder Dept. of Just Us has billions of dollars of taxpayers' money to use to destroy innocent citizens.

11 posted on 08/06/2012 6:15:59 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Blado

BTW these people need to upgrade their religion to have fire arms.


12 posted on 08/06/2012 6:17:07 AM PDT by Blado (Democrats - the party of juvenile unresolved daddy issue rage.)
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To: Zakeet

psy ops....hmmmmm.


13 posted on 08/06/2012 6:17:21 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: Zakeet
Here we go again.... It's those tea party gun nuts again.. Obama? Will he have a beer summit or make a photo op with the Sikh's? Harry and Nancy screaming that guns need to be taken out of the peoples hands.
14 posted on 08/06/2012 6:17:34 AM PDT by baddog 219
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To: Zakeet

Left wingers are wetting themselves with glee that not only is the shooter a white Army vet, but that he may have been involved with skinhead supremacist groups.


15 posted on 08/06/2012 6:19:32 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: Zakeet

When did he convert to Islam? Muslim hate Sikhs. (but then, they hate EVERYONE!)


16 posted on 08/06/2012 6:22:17 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Zakeet; All

“Sources tell CBS News some unspecified evidence suggests...”

You know...My hip waders are still drying out from the last deluge of bullsh!t in Colorado...

Good to know the government is still using the same BS template...


17 posted on 08/06/2012 6:24:27 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: Zakeet
Wade was killed outside the temple...

CBS is so delighted, they are already on a first-name basis with the shooter.

18 posted on 08/06/2012 6:25:11 AM PDT by Lady Lucky
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To: Zakeet

Love gone wrong.

What ever happened to that guy that shot some 13 soldiers at Fort Hood?


19 posted on 08/06/2012 6:26:28 AM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (0bama's Welfare, Food Stamps, Division and Disability 'Legacy')
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To: txrefugee
From a FoxNews article:

The neighbor says, as she understood it, the suspect had lived in the apartment with his girlfriend until their recent break-up. The suspect had then moved into another apartment nearby two weeks ago. She says he had returned to the old apartment and was banging on the door of his old apartment, demanding to be let in. The neighbor also said she believed the suspect had a 9-11 tattoo.

20 posted on 08/06/2012 6:27:09 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: Lady Lucky

The Left finally has their Herschel Grynszpan.


21 posted on 08/06/2012 6:28:33 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: Zakeet

I have read that his girlfriend just left him. It’s a fact that some people kill others when going for suicide by cop while they are angry.


22 posted on 08/06/2012 6:28:42 AM PDT by soycd
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To: Zakeet

It’s a little odd that about the only thing that has been learned about the guy so far is that he was discharged from the army fourteen years ago. That’s the opening line in this story. Looks like they’d have come across some other facts about him from more recent years.


23 posted on 08/06/2012 6:28:58 AM PDT by Will88
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To: Blado

Sikhs believe in the principle of non-violence.

Interestingly, their interpretation of it requires all Sikhs, or at least all male Sikhs (not sure), to be armed at all times. Though this means carrying a sword or dagger (kirpan), which in today’s world often means a sword or dagger shaped pin.

That way, if somebody attempts to use violence on innocent people, the Sikh can stop him.

Which is a POV on non-violence I can agree with.

Historically, this POV evolved after many decades of the Sikhs trying to implement the more traditional Gandhian version of non-violence despite Muslim persecution.

Sikhs also wear “magic underwear” (Kachhera), much like devout Mormons, and for much the same reason. Doubt anybody is going to be making fun of them for it, though.

At least if a functional kirpan is around.


24 posted on 08/06/2012 6:32:21 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: RoosterRedux

If that’s the photo Fox News is running with, then I suggest they pull it down. The alleged suspect should be around 40 years old, and wouldn’t have been alive during WWII (that is, if competing info about the Army vet suspect is correct).


25 posted on 08/06/2012 6:32:21 AM PDT by FamiliarFace
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To: FamiliarFace

I was joking.


26 posted on 08/06/2012 6:33:46 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama: "If you've got a business -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.")
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Charlie Sykes in Milwaukee will be talking about this incident now:

Listen Live:

http://www.620wtmj.com/shows/122165534.html


27 posted on 08/06/2012 6:34:05 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: Zakeet
He served at Fort Bliss, Texas, in the psychological operations unit in 1994, and was last stationed at Fort Bragg, North Carolina, attached to the psychological operations unit.

Could explain it.

29 posted on 08/06/2012 6:37:12 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: napscoordinator

need his voting record..


30 posted on 08/06/2012 6:37:54 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: Jim Noble
My diagnosis: C-R-A-Z-Y.

Scary thing is it apparently took the military six years to realize this and muster him out.

31 posted on 08/06/2012 6:39:25 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Zakeet

Left-wingers are desperately hoping for a threefer. In their heads:

Strike 1- He served in the military, even though he had a less than honorable discharge.

Strike 2- He’s white.

Strike 3- He may have been associated with a white supremacist group.


32 posted on 08/06/2012 6:39:59 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: Uncle Chip

lol colorado and wis. shooters are bot brain majors. hmmm..one an occupy and the other military...Dems have access to both. another hmmm. It’s taking a long time for FBI to manufacture the info about this shooter. As for FOXNEWS , bet someone fed their source wrong info on purpose.


33 posted on 08/06/2012 6:44:24 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: mrsmith

Might not be the same person. Really need to NOT be like the MSM and search for people with the same name, printing the results as gospel.


34 posted on 08/06/2012 6:45:08 AM PDT by madison10
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To: RoosterRedux

There is NO way that’s the shooter. Fox News is full of crap. Do they want to get sued, too?


35 posted on 08/06/2012 6:47:42 AM PDT by madison10
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To: RoosterRedux

There is NO way that’s the shooter. Fox News is full of crap. Do they want to get sued, too?


36 posted on 08/06/2012 6:49:08 AM PDT by madison10
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To: Zakeet
According to SPLC, Wade Michael Page was the leader of a neo-Nazi band called "End Apathy", along with other previous skinhead groups.

Wonder if he was part of OWS- endorsed by the neo-Nazi party.. .

37 posted on 08/06/2012 6:49:30 AM PDT by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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Twitter saying he was in a band called “End Apathy”...lead guitarist. They have a MySpace page but I can’t access it at work.

http://a2.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/77/7e4909f4b46e4f6e9345f3771f1b6a5b/l.png


38 posted on 08/06/2012 6:51:35 AM PDT by Raebie (WS)
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To: Qbert

Wonder if the Aurora nut and this current nut are part of the same Occupy group? Wouldn’t that be a kick?


39 posted on 08/06/2012 6:52:04 AM PDT by madison10
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To: madison10

“...If this is the same person.”
I AM better than the media....

Your point is well taken.


40 posted on 08/06/2012 6:53:43 AM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: Moltke

Yup. Thanks. That was good.


41 posted on 08/06/2012 6:54:49 AM PDT by GreatRoad (O < 0)
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To: Zakeet
The types of military discharges:

Honorable; General (under honorable conditions); Under Other than Honorable Conditions (OTH); Bad Conduct (also known as the BCD; and Dishonorable.

The last two discharges come at Court-Martial proceedings. The General and OTH discharges come from administrative means. Such as failures to do your job, DUI cases, being over weight, etc. They also come from some types of misbehavior and having multiple Article 15s under the UCMJ (those are punishments by commanders at company or battalion level which can reduce a soldier in rank, take away pay, restrict movement, extra after hours duties, etc.). Generally soldiers who simply cannot or willnot conform. You also could, used to be, discharged for being a homo.

42 posted on 08/06/2012 6:56:38 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (You can almost hear the footsteps of Jesus. He is right at the door!)
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To: Blado
Sikhs do not have an aversion to firearms.

There have been Sikh winners of the Victoria Cross and other medals of valor.

43 posted on 08/06/2012 6:56:56 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: madison10

He certainly looks like something you'd see at OWS...

(Photo: SPLC)

44 posted on 08/06/2012 6:59:11 AM PDT by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: madison10

There is also a Wade M. Page who was a Commander in the Navy in 2010 - people need to be careful whom they indict.


45 posted on 08/06/2012 7:00:34 AM PDT by greatvikingone
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To: napscoordinator
this is going to end up better than we think.

_______________________________________

Your Christian concern for the dead and their loved ones is astounding.

46 posted on 08/06/2012 7:01:43 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: Zakeet

Here’s Everything We Know About Temple Shooting Suspect Wade Michael Page

Business InsiderBy Abby Rogers and Michael Kelley | Business Insider – 57 minutes ago

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/heres-everything-know-temple-shooting-130409000.html


47 posted on 08/06/2012 7:04:08 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: chessplayer

Wish I knew how to play chess.

CIA having trouble with Sikhs in Middle East interfering with their plans to use radical Muslims to control the Middle East and stabilize it for the drug traffic.

You would think a guy in the military would know the difference between Sikhs and Wahabbists, or whatever you want to call them. Then again, experience teaches that some people, even in the military, are dumb as a rock.

He would be an easy mark to push over the edge, and given some guidance as to target. This temple had special visitors from the Middle East. First one shot was the main guest.

I think the rest were shot for effect. Pawns are taken off the board, and the power base changes.

Crazy ? Tin-foil hat ?

Yes. None of the above can be proven. It can be witnessed, though, and you are seeing it happen daily.

Guns and Drugs are two of the most wanted commodities on the planet (Note: I said ‘wanted’. ‘needed’ is another story). The game is to control it so they make money.

Everything happening right now is an attempt to control/monitor drugs and guns, and extract money from the sales and crime. Half of Arizona has already been ceded to the Mexican Druglords. We are being reduced to a populace of tribes who take drugs before we go out and attack another tribe, because they caused the rain to go away.

Demoralization
Destabilization
Chaos
Normalcy

We are in the Chaos stage (Yuri Bezmenov’s labels for the stages of complete takeover of the US by IDEOLOGICAL SUBVERSION)


48 posted on 08/06/2012 7:04:08 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Help. How do I put something in my tagline.)
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To: TribalPrincess2U

What ever happened to that guy that shot some 13 soldiers at Fort Hood?

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I heard he grew a beard and nobody knows what to do about it.


49 posted on 08/06/2012 7:04:57 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: TribalPrincess2U
What ever happened to that guy that shot some 13 soldiers at Fort Hood?

Apparently he's been growing a beard. Showed up in court with it and the judge fined him for contempt of court.

Eventually, (maybe after the election ?) they will get around to finishing the pre-trial. When the trial might (if) occur is another story.

50 posted on 08/06/2012 7:08:14 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Help. How do I put something in my tagline.)
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