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Liberals, Progressives and Socialists (Walter Williams)
Creators Syndicate ^ | August 8, 2012 | Walter E. Williams

Posted on 08/06/2012 10:33:37 AM PDT by jazusamo

In Europe, especially in Germany, hoisting a swastika-emblazoned Nazi flag is a crime. For decades after World War II, people have hunted down and sought punishment for Nazi murderers, who were responsible for the deaths of more than 20 million people.

Here's my question: Why are the horrors of Nazism so well-known and widely condemned but not those of socialism and communism? What goes untaught — and possibly is covered up — is that socialist and communist ideas have produced the greatest evil in mankind's history. You say, "Williams, what in the world are you talking about? Socialists, communists and their fellow travelers, such as the Wall Street occupiers supported by our president, care about the little guy in his struggle for a fair shake! They're trying to promote social justice." Let's look at some of the history of socialism and communism.

What's not appreciated is that Nazism is a form of socialism. In fact, the term Nazi stands for the National Socialist German Workers' Party. The unspeakable acts of Adolf Hitler's Nazis pale in comparison with the horrors committed by the communists in the former Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and the People's Republic of China. Between 1917 and 1987, Vladimir Lenin, Josef Stalin and their successors murdered and were otherwise responsible for the deaths of 62 million of their own people. Between 1949 and 1987, China's communists, led by Mao Zedong and his successors, murdered and were otherwise responsible for the deaths of 76 million Chinese. The most authoritative tally of history's most murderous regimes is documented on University of Hawaii Professor Rudolph J. Rummel's website, at http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills, and in his book "Death by Government."

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: communism; economics; liberalism; liberism; obama; progressives; socialism; walterewilliams; walterwilliams

1 posted on 08/06/2012 10:33:44 AM PDT by jazusamo
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To: jazusamo

It’s because during WW II FDR and his admin considered the Soviet Union and Nationaist China as our allies and victors white the history.


2 posted on 08/06/2012 10:37:44 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: jazusamo

Liberal = someone feeling moraly inferior to a socialist

Progressive = socialist that knows some people are too stupid to connect the dots if they call themselves a Progressive

Socialist = A dirty SOB that wants to enslave and control his fellow citizens

Communist = A socialist that has realized that free will and liberties are standing in the way of socialism


3 posted on 08/06/2012 10:39:50 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: jazusamo

Socialists. They’re excellent killers of unarmed innocents. But they cry like babies when its their turn.

Che Guevara was a perfect example:

http://www.therealcuba.com/page5.htm

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Last_words


4 posted on 08/06/2012 11:23:32 AM PDT by LucianOfSamasota (Tanstaafl - its not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: US Navy Vet
It’s because during WW II FDR and his admin considered ... Nationaist China as our allies ...

That's because they were our allies.

They remain our allies today.

They operate the government of Taiwan.

5 posted on 08/06/2012 11:29:58 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: LucianOfSamasota
He died like the coward that he was. His last words were "Don't shoot me, I am worth more alive then dead."

Che truly was a coward.

6 posted on 08/06/2012 11:32:58 AM PDT by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: LucianOfSamasota

Saw a “young skull full of mush” useful idiot wandering around a few days ago with a Che t-shirt.


7 posted on 08/06/2012 11:34:25 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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8 posted on 08/06/2012 11:34:25 AM PDT by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: sickoflibs

once in the seat of power, its ugly to ride out the storm until the system collapses on itself...but collapse it must...


9 posted on 08/06/2012 11:36:59 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: jazusamo
All of these movements demonstrate the same pathology, a Compulsion For Uniformity.

The failure to recognize that the Nazis were part of the Socialist world--indeed very far to the Left of most other Socialists, if slightly to the right of the Bolshevik Communists, is because the Leftist media in the West has taken up the Big Lie that the Nazis were on the far right. This is totally false, see The Lies Of Socialism.

William Flax

10 posted on 08/06/2012 11:37:46 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: jazusamo

We are fortunate to have Walter Williams and a few others like him who can, and do, state the facts so clearly, concisely and honestly.

Many liberals and leftists who write about the mass murders of the Soviet Communists strive to minimize the numbers.

After all, Soviet Russia was the darling of American leftists for 70 years, and their dreams were shattered when the Soviet empire disintegrated.


11 posted on 08/06/2012 11:44:24 AM PDT by Iron Munro ("Jiggle the Handle for Barry!")
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To: jazusamo

So you might ask why socialism and communism have resulted in so many deaths. It is pretty simple, really. Once you have determined that the good of the whole is more important than the good of the individual, then the individual becomes expendable. As Pope John Paul II put it “Utilitarianism is a civilization of production and of use, a civilization of things and not of persons, a civilization in which persons are used in the same way as things are used”.

When you consider human beings to be expendable, you can justify all sorts of things. Even the redistribution of wealth comes out of the idea of the expendability of individuals because each individual is valuable only as that person is used as a source of revenue for the whole.


12 posted on 08/06/2012 11:46:12 AM PDT by newheart (At what point does policy become treason?)
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To: DuncanWaring
Saw a “young skull full of mush” useful idiot wandering around a few days ago with a Che t-shirt.

There are so many of them.....


13 posted on 08/06/2012 11:48:22 AM PDT by Iron Munro ("Jiggle the Handle for Barry!")
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To: Iron Munro; newheart

Bump to the both of you.


14 posted on 08/06/2012 11:55:47 AM PDT by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: Iron Munro

Just so.

Perhaps a few LIEberal/Socialist/Marxist/Fascist eggs in our omlette, instead of citizen eggs, would be a good thing?


15 posted on 08/06/2012 11:58:56 AM PDT by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: Iron Munro

Just so.

Perhaps a few LIEberal/Socialist/Marxist/Fascist eggs in our omelette, instead of citizen eggs, would be a good thing?


16 posted on 08/06/2012 11:59:59 AM PDT by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: jazusamo

Ayn Rand used the generic term “collectivist,” and I like it, because it gets to the root of the dynamic so clearly that it can’t be used as a political label (which, by definition, are meant to hide the dynamic).

There is a concept - the free human being.

There is another concept - the slave.

People think of the two as a a grotesque dichotomy, with chains and whips and hovels on one side, and cut glass and champagne and fine clothes on the other.

But that’s not how it’s done these days. Ultimately, yes, but not yet. For the mean time, it’s an IDEA.

The slaves BELIEVE the idea.

The free human beings DO NOT believe the idea.

That idea is INCORPORATION.

You think it means some sort of business enterprise?

:: snort ::

Wake up and smell the coffee.

Incorporation means collectivism.

Literally.

Slaves in a collective have privileges given them by their masters.

Incorporated individuals have their rights replaced by administrative privileges.

What, you’re more comfortable with the latter terminology, than the former?

LOL, good.

Slave.


17 posted on 08/06/2012 12:17:19 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Iron Munro

>>>Walter Williams and a few others like him who can, and do, state the facts so clearly, concisely and honestly.

Here’s a great and recent book by Alan Meltzer of Carnegie Mellon who states the facts clearly:

“Why Capitalism”

“There is not a single example of sustained successful growth under traditional Communism. The contrast was clear by the end of the 1980s in the comparison between North and South Korea, East and West Germany, and China compared to the Chinese diasporas of Asia.” p. 20.

“no economic system focused on property confiscation and redistribution has ever sustained both growth and personal freedom.” p. 4.

It was published this year and is an interesting and easy read.


18 posted on 08/06/2012 12:27:04 PM PDT by Hop A Long Cassidy
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To: US Navy Vet

I must admit I’ve often thought that one of the reasons the murderous commies are liked by even the non-communist left was because their socialist hero FDR befriended them whereas FDR was unable to befriend the NAZI’s.

But my gut tells me for the heart left it is the more directly agreeable & identifiable nature of the communist that they admire. Truth be said had the NAZI’s not been defeated & exposed as they were I am certiant that the left would still admire them as they did in the 1930’s.


19 posted on 08/06/2012 1:34:51 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Hop A Long Cassidy

I’ll add that no nation ever taxed itself into prosperity.


20 posted on 08/06/2012 1:47:38 PM PDT by Noumenon (I will not pay the Obama jizya.)
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To: jazusamo

I always thought that the reason the Soviets didn’t get nailed for their crimes is - unlike the Nazis - they didn’t photograph their atrocities.

I realize that some photos exist but where are the newsreels and film footage showing the horrors of the 1930s? I think Stalin was too sly for that.


21 posted on 08/06/2012 1:51:03 PM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: miss marmelstein
I always thought that the reason the Soviets didn’t get nailed for their crimes is - unlike the Nazis they didn't lose the war.

Seriously ... God only knows what's lurking in the KGB/GRU archives. But no conquering army marched through Moscow to find out. No conquering army marched through the gulags to free the inmates. History is written by the winners. The communist bloody-handed murderers were among the winners. The national socialist bloody-handed murderers were among the losers. The winners uncovered all the losers' dirty laundry, while hiding their own.

22 posted on 08/06/2012 2:04:01 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Iron Munro
LOL!

That's great.

23 posted on 08/06/2012 2:29:51 PM PDT by eggman (End the Obama occupation of the White House!)
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To: Hop A Long Cassidy

Thanks for the tip.


24 posted on 08/06/2012 2:48:31 PM PDT by Iron Munro ("Jiggle the Handle for Barry!")
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To: jazusamo

The high degree of respect I have for Walter Williams makes this article even scarier!

A very large percentage of the US public is begging to be able to trade their heritage for a dismal future of socialist mediocracy.

The only thing that will keep our descendants from hating us will be the fact that the history of today will have been erased by our “education” system.

On the other hand, maybe - just maybe - americans will score a last minute victory November 6 and we can begin to work our way back to deserving the sacrifices of previous generations.


25 posted on 08/06/2012 3:20:38 PM PDT by LoneStarC
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To: newheart
So you might ask why socialism and communism have resulted in so many deaths.

Another factor is that they both have a fundamental belief that their models are perfect, and thus when their models fail to match reality, it is the reality, rather than the models, which is defective. Anyone who acts in ways contrary to the model is an opponent of perfection; since any good person would want perfection, opposition to perfection is evil and must be destroyed at all costs.

For example, opponents of Obamacare get branded as being opposed to affordable healthcare. In reality, many of those opponents would support Obamacare if they believed it would live up to all its promises, but they recognize that what Obama is promising is fundamentally impossible. Of course, Obama and his minions are well-prepared to claim that any failure of Obamacare to meet its promises are the fault of people who don't behave as Obama's model says they should (goaded into such misbehavior by his detractors, no doubt), rather than merely representing the fact that the promises were unrealistic in the first place.

26 posted on 08/06/2012 4:16:03 PM PDT by supercat (Renounce Covetousness.)
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To: miss marmelstein
I always thought that the reason the Soviets didn’t get nailed for their crimes is -...

How long did it take for them to admit to the Katyn Forest Massacre?

27 posted on 08/06/2012 5:21:48 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: supercat

Well said.

Procrustes strikes again. Cut or stretch the people to fit the bed instead of building the bed to fit the people.


28 posted on 08/06/2012 8:55:14 PM PDT by newheart (At what point does policy become treason?)
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To: Talisker

Excellent point. And the larger the corporation the more prone to the same problems that beset large “centrally planned “ bureaucracies.


29 posted on 08/06/2012 8:59:18 PM PDT by newheart (At what point does policy become treason?)
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To: jazusamo

That’s exactly what I’ve been saying for over 20 years. Everybody knows the murders committed by the Nazis in Germany, but hardly anyone under 30 realizes the hundreds of millions of people murdered by these “SOCIALISTS” communists committed in the old USSR, China, North Korea, Cuba, Viet Nam, Cambodia. If it could be totaled, those numbers would make Hitlers attrocities when he was in power, chicken feed. Yet none of our government schools are willing to even discuss the subject.


30 posted on 08/06/2012 10:38:04 PM PDT by gingerbread
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To: US Navy Vet

It’s because during WW II FDR and his admin were infiltrated by the Soviet Union. We pay the price
today.


31 posted on 08/06/2012 10:41:45 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: jazusamo

Many years ago, I met a young man who was wearing one of those “Mao caps” with the red star. I said something to the effect of”I don’t want to be critical and I’m just curious. But that hat is associated with Mao, who killed 50 million people. Now, obviously you are a good man and don’t favor killing. Do you see that hat as associated with something different? Am I wrong to associate it with Mao?”

“Well, um, I never thought about that.” He replied.

I didn’t push the matter. But I wonder if he ever wore than Mao hat again.

The fact is a lot of liberals (not all) don’t understand how bad communism is in practice. In many cases, it’s possible to educate without being confrontational.


32 posted on 08/06/2012 11:07:36 PM PDT by Our man in washington
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