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New intelligence reveals Iran closer to attaining nuclear weapon than previously thought
Haaretz ^ | 7 August 2012 | Barak Ravid

Posted on 08/06/2012 8:03:47 PM PDT by LSUfan

New intelligence information obtained by Israel and four Western countries indicates that Iran has made greater progress on developing nuclear weapons than the West had previously realized, according to Western diplomats and Israeli officials who are closely involved in efforts to prevent Iran from building a nuclear bomb.

A Western diplomat who asked not to be named because he was not authorized to discuss intelligence information said the United States, Britain, France, Germany and Israel agree on that assessment.

According to the source, this assessment began to take shape in February, when Iran refused to allow inspectors from the International Atomic Energy Agency to visit the base at Parchin, where it is believed Iran is carrying out part of the research and development of its military nuclear program. Visits of IAEA inspectors in Iran, and especially revelations of information the Iranians had been trying to hide, intensified suspicions that Tehran was developing nuclear weapons at a faster pace than it had previously seemed.

(Excerpt) Read more at haaretz.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: iran; islam; jihad; religionofpeace
We've been sitting around whistling Dixie for 18 years letting this happen. Future generations will ask how we could possibly have let the world's foremost sponsor of Jihadist terrorism get nuclear weapons. The answer will be: COWARDICE.
1 posted on 08/06/2012 8:04:00 PM PDT by LSUfan
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To: LSUfan

Mr. Netanyahu’s term may end in early 2013. He will not leave office without addressing this matter in a definitive manner. He fully understands his responsibilities as the secular leader and defender of the Jewish people. He would consider himself a failure and would be forever haunted by his brother if he failed to act. Only question is will it happen shortly before or shortly after the US election. IMHO it will be devastating and imaginative.


2 posted on 08/06/2012 8:15:08 PM PDT by allendale
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To: allendale

Probably before. Then Zero will have a reason to cancel our elections.


3 posted on 08/06/2012 8:16:54 PM PDT by B4Ranch (There's Two Choices... Stand Up and Be Counted ... Or Line Up and Be Numbered .)
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To: LSUfan
Just in time for Wag the Dog, Obama style.


4 posted on 08/06/2012 8:23:01 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: B4Ranch

I have that fear also. If the Mid East busts out in war Obozo will pull out the TOTUS and say we need to keep a stable govt in place while this world emergency is dealt with.


5 posted on 08/06/2012 8:32:07 PM PDT by eak3
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To: Alas Babylon!

The danger here from Obama and Co is not that they would start a war to stay in office or win re-election. The danger from Obama is that he might pull a Chamberlain. He is the type who would fly to Tehran and come back waving a piece of paper in triumph and make all the lemmings think he has averted war...when all he has done is enabled madmen to get nuclear weapons.

All this talk about wag the dog and starting a war to cancel the election is simple intellectual laziness.

The reality is quite the opposite and more dangerous because it results in a nuclear Iran.


6 posted on 08/06/2012 8:34:44 PM PDT by LSUfan
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To: LSUfan

The caliphate ~that Obama is working towards~ will not allow those kinds of thinkers nor that kind of thought, as allah is supreme. That kid of thinking will be met with a not so swift and cruel islamic death.


7 posted on 08/06/2012 8:53:16 PM PDT by himno hero (hadnuff)
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To: LSUfan

Bingo, LSUfan. I agree.

I’m annoyed at some of us Freepers who make the oft-repeated claim that Obama will refuse to stand for another election, suspend the government, etc., and just toss that assertion around as lightly as a comment about the weather.

It is intellectual laziness. We can do better.

If a war breaks out in the Middle East between Israel and Iran, the threat is that the USA will not resupply Israel, or that the resupply will be done (shall we say?) VERY SLOWLY, often with the wrong parts, missing or delayed shipments of critical components needed by the Israeli Air Force, etc.

That way, Obama can still claim to the cameras that “America stands behind its ally, Israel” while at the same time strangling her of needed materiel.

Worse, he may even order our regional assets to attempt to interdict the Israelis (this far-fetched, granted).

But I think we all could agree, given his antipathy to the Jews, that Obama would do what he could to undermine their success, even their survival.

It is our duty to WATCH HIM, keep track of his actions. Watch whom he appoints to key positions in the military. Watch to see if he is attempting to erode our military as he has eroded NASA and our other institutions.

He is a hater of Israel, of that, there can be no doubt.


8 posted on 08/06/2012 8:55:42 PM PDT by sauron ("Truth is hate to those who hate Truth" --unknown)
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To: sauron; LSUfan
i still say that the bambam [who kissed the ring of king saud] wouldnt hesitate to nuke iran if it helps his election...if theres anything worse than an infidel or jew, its an apostate, 'false' muzzie...

hell, he could even use to US to ratchet up the mullahs to strike out at Israel and work for a twofer...

9 posted on 08/06/2012 10:31:34 PM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: sauron
He is a hater of Israel, of that, there can be no doubt.

And that my good sir is why he will support Israel if Israel attacks Iran's nuclear infrastructure before the election. If Israel attacks before the election, his support of Israel will almost guarantee his re-election. After the election he can go about business as usual which is destroying Israel and the United States.

Netenyaho is no fool. The attack will be after the election unless Iran could achieve deliverable nuclear weapons before the election.

10 posted on 08/06/2012 11:00:58 PM PDT by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist. THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: LSUfan

I’d like to stack all these expert analysese, projections and estimates together, and after making a detailed graph of their timetables, take the whole thing into the bathroom and whipe my a@#$ with it.


11 posted on 08/06/2012 11:33:06 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: eak3

That ain’t gonna work for about 170 million of us including most military folks.


12 posted on 08/07/2012 12:19:00 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: LSUfan
Any moderately advanced country can arm and build a World War 2 style atomic bomb in five years.

Why can't Iran just hook one to the bottom of a drone and aim it at Tel Aviv?

They could sail through Suez and launch from the bow of a ship.

In fact, they could launch 3 or 4 and annihilate every major Israeli city.

The fact that they don't do something like that makes me believe Iran has no intention to launch the First Strike.

Most likely because they fear a massive Israeli nuclear counter strike.

13 posted on 08/07/2012 12:22:04 AM PDT by zeestephen
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To: zeestephen
Most likely because they fear a massive Israeli nuclear counter strike

That is NOT their mindset. The Iranian mullahs and government lost loads of civilians and troops against Saddam.

They were doing soviet style attack with most of the troops having NO weapons. Forcing the following wave to pick up a gun from those who died in the first waves of attack.

They have no worry of internal or world opinion about what they do or who they loose to accomplish their ends.

That can not be forgotten when thinking of Iran and nuclear war. They really do not care who they loose, or who suffers to achieve their goals.. which are sick and perverted by our thinking.

Not to them. As long as their Imam in the well arises as foretold in prophecy.
14 posted on 08/07/2012 1:07:40 AM PDT by JSteff ((((It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and HAVE DOOMED us for a generation or more.))))
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To: LSUfan

So true, I used to think how could the world let someone like Hitler rise to power, well, now I know!


15 posted on 08/07/2012 1:13:28 AM PDT by IslamE (epiphany)
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To: LSUfan

>>The danger from Obama is that he might pull a Chamberlain.

Chamberlain wasn't waste deep, head first, up the backside of the Muslim Brotherhood like Obumble and his mentor are -- and have been since the reign of  the Wabbit fisherman.

ZBig is the POS whose policy funded and instigated the Islamic Revolution of 1979.

http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&biw=1600&bih=706&source=hp&q=Brzezinski+Cyclone+Iran+Shah+"George+Ball"+1978

16 posted on 08/07/2012 3:16:24 AM PDT by OldEarlGray (The POTUS is FUBAR until the White Hut is sanitized with American Tea)
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To: cpdiii

I’m thinking the same. The IDF attack will be after the election... perhaps prior to the (re)inauguration. It’s always about keeping your options open.


17 posted on 08/07/2012 4:31:45 AM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: zeestephen
Any moderately advanced country can arm and build a World War 2 style atomic bomb in five years.

Probably true if you aren't also looking at delivery systems at the same time.

Why can't Iran just hook one to the bottom of a drone and aim it at Tel Aviv?

Fat Man & Little Boy were heavy bombs requiring the most advanced bomber of the day, the B-29, to handle them. Iran will have to develop a weapon small enough to fit onto their ballistic missiles to have an effective weapons system.

They could sail through Suez and launch from the bow of a ship.

The Israelis have been stopping suspicious ships. I think they've thought of this. Plus Iran would be risking a lot of military capital to put a weapon on a cargo vessel that might get stopped or "have an accident" before reaching the target area. A lot of money has been spent on detection systems since 9/11.

In fact, they could launch 3 or 4 and annihilate every major Israeli city.

True enough.

The fact that they don't do something like that makes me believe Iran has no intention to launch the First Strike.

This gets into the murkier area of assessing your enemies intentions. Intentions can change rapidly. Political unrest with Iran could, for instance, change the dynamic. Better to focus on capabilities.

Most likely because they fear a massive Israeli nuclear counter strike.

The Israelis are building a submarine deterence force. So they're covering that base. Their national character is still to pre-empt. They've got the best regional intel, so if Iran gets close there will most likely be a strike.

18 posted on 08/07/2012 4:44:09 AM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: JSteff
They were doing soviet style attack with most of the troops having NO weapons. Forcing the following wave to pick up a gun from those who died in the first waves of attack.

True. But in the early 80's there was a surplus of Iranian teenagers with revolutionary fervor. They lost huge numbers replaying WW1-style campaigns. Not sure that the Iranian citizenry would be as enthusiastic to absorb huge casualties like that again.

They have no worry of internal or world opinion about what they do or who they loose to accomplish their ends.

Iran has been dealing with a fair number of internal problems. It just doesn't get reported much in the US Media. There have been riots and the regime has had to put there bully-boys in the streets on numerous occaisions.

19 posted on 08/07/2012 4:51:34 AM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: sauron

Your focus is too narrow.

The Iranian goal is to capture the Arabian peninsula and all the wealth and Holy sites. Israel is but a trivial side issue.

The GCC states and Turkey are currently hard at work containing Iran by removing the Assad regime in Syria. The import of that accomplishment can not be over estimated. Iran does not act. Iran has surrogates do it’s actual dirty work.

With Syria beyond it’s reach, Iran will also lose Hezbollah and Hamas. The very foundation of Iranian power will be eroded away. Syria as it has been is no more.

Imanutjob is going to Saudi Arabia to see the King. The King is not going to Iran. That shows who holds the power. That shows imanutjob sees the end of Syria and is intent on mitigating the damage. We will likely not know the conversation but I don’t think he will return with what he wants.


20 posted on 08/07/2012 5:07:24 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: LSUfan


"The answer will be: COWARDICE.

What a statement...very much lacking in conscious awareness.

The reality of this matter is that any nation of any significant influence in all of the world that couldn't be over-run with atheistic secularist communism, and put in submission to the global elite, peacefully (like the United States has significantly been) had to be allowed, permitted and supported into becoming an international threat, real or even perceived as necessary.

The "elite" globalist powers have deliberately cultivated Iran into this position of being a serious and uncompromising threat to world peace. Now, it is finally time to eliminate their sovereignty and put down their religious leadership.

It is currently a most opportune time because these globalist elite have real and substantial power deep in the administrations of the United States, Canada, most of the EU, and China. They are not going to let this power they have acquired in the United States, simply slip away with the upcoming elections in November. They will do everything in their power and control to keep their grip on it.

Iraq and this whole middle east Arab Spring has been executed with the exact same intentions - globalism.

Iraq, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Yemen, and currently Bahrain, Sudan, Saudi Arabia, and Syria, and many other areas exhibiting their "civil unrest" have all been executed in the name of that all Utopian ideal called "democracy." Of course, in most instances of regime change, their people will be even more oppressed than prior to their Arab Spring's removal of their sitting oppressive regimes. What is in common with all of these? They are all losing their sovereignty and becoming "regional" which will soon enough be forcefully pushed toward becoming "global."

Iran has played a dangerous game and played it quite poorly. Iran blindly believes they can accumulate power in these Arab Spring uprisings. To the contrary, what will happen in the end is that the globalists will forcefully stop Iran's aspirations and remove its regime. There will be much bloodshed in several different nations as that accomplishment is executed. I know it will ever be fully accomplished (the globalists reign of the entire world), God won't let it go that far. Regardless, the bloodshed and loss of souls is much anticipated and desired by the world "elite." who have sold their souls believing Satan's lie that they can buy new ones.

The conditions of this war, the one which is coming very soon, that will involve, and could very well begin with the attack on Iran (if Iran doesn't jump the gun and begin it with their own attack), will precipitate Martial Law conditions in many nations who have formidable citizenry who can and will mount semi-effective oppositions, to their nation's involvement and power grabs, and present great difficulties for these globalists.

It does not really matter who begins this war, we know who the world players will be.

This is not a result of cowardice, it is a result of atheistic secularism which, in turn, resulted in being handed over to that which is deadly...spiritually and physically. One would think we would have learned from the thousands and thousands of examples and lessons throughout history.

By this time, we should not even need faith to give glory to God. It should be clear as day.

All of the world will be begging for mercy as we realize that not only our mortal and eternal life but justice itself lies in the hands of God.




21 posted on 08/07/2012 7:02:31 AM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: LSUfan

Har Megiddo.

At least it will be two oceans away.

Or maybe not.

At least we could keep these Islamofascists from designing intercontinental delivery vehicles.


22 posted on 08/07/2012 7:33:38 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article: http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: LSUfan

I guess we’re going to have to get used to a nuclear Iran.

Now - why don’t you go pay your taxes? Your government is broke. :)


23 posted on 08/07/2012 9:34:36 AM PDT by Tzimisce (THIS SUCKS)
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