Skip to comments.Obama: “I don’t believe people should be able to own guns.” (blast from the past--2008)
Posted on 08/07/2012 12:26:41 AM PDT by beaversmom
The following is from an interview of John Lott by Dave Bose, substituting for Michael Medved on the Michael Medved radio show. Lott is currently a professor at the University of Maryland and is the author of "More Guns, Less Crime" and "Freedomonics." Lott taught at the University of Chicago the same time Obama was an instructor at Chicago. The transcript picks up approximately half way through the audio file...
Dave Bose: Just before the break, Professor Lott, I was mentioning that actually know Barack Obama. You met at the college.
John Lott: We were both at the University of Chicago. I was first in the business school and then I taught in the law school and I was there for like, five years. He was a lecturer there and I dont know there were probably a couple of dozen times or whatever that we exchanged words. I saw him at a couple of seminars. I ran into and talked to people that were nearby him. One of the things though, is that the conversations all tended to be extremely short when I was involved with him.
John Lott: The first time I met him, I went over and introduced myself. He said, Oh, youre the gun guy.
John Lott: And I said, Yeah, I guess so.
John Lott: And he said, I dont believe people should be able to own guns.
John Lott: And I knew he was working at, with helping out
Dave Bose: Wait. Lets repeat that because Obama says he believes now that the 2nd Amendment preserves an individual right to keep and bear arms. In fact, Joe Biden whose helicopters are constantly being shot down by Frosty the Snowman has affirmed that Barack Obamas not trying to take away guns and youre telling me that the first thing you remember Obama saying to you was
John Lott: Yeah, that he said, I do not believe people should be able to own guns.
Dave Bose: Okay
John Lott: I mean, if you just take the gun issue for a second, heres a guy that when the supreme court decision came down at the end of June, said that the Supreme Court was merely confirming his own position on guns, that he believed that it was an individual right, that he always believed that it was, and that he apparently opposed the DC gun ban.
John Lott: The problem is you can find him making numerous statements prior to the Supreme Court decision where he said that he supported the DC gun ban. There are interviews that he did before the so-called Potomac Primaries in the spring, involving Maryland, Virginia, and DC, where he was interviewed on TV about that and he said quite firmly and emphatically that he was in favor of the ban. You have statements in the Chicago Tribune last fall.
John Lott: But overall, Obama has, theres no doubt that hes the most anti-gun presidential candidate thats ever been nominated. In 1996 there was a candidate issue statement when he was first running for the state senate saying that he supported a ban on handguns. In 1998 there was a similar candidate statement saying that he supported a ban on semi-automatic guns. He supported legislation that would ban the sale of guns within five miles of any school or park, essentially banning virtually guns from being sold any place in virtually all of the states in the United States. Theres many other types of similar statements that one could go through on that.
John Lott: But often hes gone and hes said, for example in the 96 statement that it was an error by a staffer who had incorrectly filled out the form. The problem was, later on Politico, the Internet political news operation, got a hold of a copy of the actual candidates statement form and they found his handwritten notes on the copy that was there.
John Lott: The Chicago Tribute statement that came out last fall, again he blamed it on a staffer error, a so-called inartful attempt by a staffer to characterize his position. And as I say, you can go and find his own statements on videotape where he is saying that this year.
Dave Bose: Right, now he can just say he had an ACORN staffer fill it out for him. Theyre pretty good at forgery. Actually, not so hot. He also wrote this book review for Bill Ayers that we were talking about earlier and I was wondering, I havent seen a hard copy of it but surely on the dust jacket theres an about the author portion on Bill Ayers. Does it not mention anything about his past in radicalism and terrorism?
John Lott: I havent looked at the book.
Dave Bose: Thats what I want to know. I cant get my hands on a hard copy and I want to see one of the old ones to see if the book that Obama was reviewing may have mentioned something.
John Lott: If I can just make one other comment about my interaction with Obama in Chicago?
Dave Bose: Oh yeah, sure.
John Lott: And that is when he made the statement about believe that people shouldnt be able to own guns, I said, Well, maybe we can get together for lunch and we can talk about it.
John Lott: And because I knew he was also supportive of the Chicago suit against the gun makers.
John Lott: He just grimaced and turned around and walked away and that was the end of the conversation. And thats the way many conversations went that I had with him and I believe just in general he really disliked talking to people that he regarded as conservatives.
Dave Bose: He didnt even say goodbye? He just grimaced and turned around?
John Lott: Right.
Dave Bose: Or, did he say no thanks?
John Lott: No, he just turned around and walked away.
Dave Bose: Not even the usually polite, Yeah, well do that sometime?
John Lott: No. I mean, and there were cases in later years where I would reach out to shake his hand and he would just refuse my hand.
John Lott: There was one seminar for example where he had asked a question. He only went to a couple of seminars the entire time he was there. He didnt do any research or anything. He was basically brought in just to teach and as I understood as a way to let him run for public office. It was kind of understood that that was what he was going to do to begin with, because if youre only teaching three hours a week and youre not having to do any research, it gives you a lot of flexible time to go and campaign for office.
John Lott: But, he had asked a question in a seminar and I dont think anybody understood what the question was. I thought I did and so after the seminar went up to him and I said, I think it was an interesting question. I think you could have rephrased it a little bit differently.
John Lott: And again, he just turned his back to me and started talking to someone else. And it wasnt so much that he just disagreed. I really got the impression that he really believed that I was evil because I had different views, particularly on the gun issue. TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; Click to Add Topic KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; antichrist; bang; banglist; democrats; disarmament; guncontrol; gungrabbers; gunvote; hitler; johnlott; kimjungil; medved; nobama; obama; obamalies; polpot; stalinism; Click to Add Keyword [ Report Abuse | Bookmark ] Click to listen to the interview.
Bose blew the chance to probe more in-depth on Lott's personal interactions with Obama, but what did come out was revealing.
First, Obama is lying about his positions and beliefs to win election (but we already knew that).
Second, the "charismatic" Obama is actually the opposite. He is cold and standoffish.
Third, Obama is rude and ill-mannered.
Fourth, differing opinions from his will be given no voice, no hearing, and likely, no rights.
Fifth, he believes those who disagree with him are evil.
Sixth, gun owners had better wake up because Obama does not believe you have the right to own guns and once elected, with a solid leftist majority, he will move to restrict sales of guns, leading to confiscatory taxation on ownership and ammunition, and eventually an outright ban.
Ping to you entrepreneur—relink/post of a post you made in 2008.
Original FR 2008 Link here:
Obama: I dont believe people should be able to own guns.
Link to audio still works:
I’ve seen this before, and while it is probably *true* that Obama said that, it isn’t convincing, because it is hearsay (not written or recorded, just what another person recalls him saying, and not documented at the time).
Also I totally believe the big about Obama being a cold fish and a rude ***hole, because that’s how he comes off to me. But again, this is just one person’s word. This won’t convince anyone who doesn’t already kind of believe it.
“Fifth, he believes those who disagree with him are evil.”
I disagree with this statement.
For a person to believe someone else is evil, it must mean they have values concerning good and evil. Obama, a communist, lacks that kind of values system.
Josef Stalin didn’t think of people being either good or evil. You either benefited him, supported him, or you died. There is a total lack of empathy in his personality.
I suspect that is the kind of peron BHO2 really is.
Carol Platt Liebau used to work with Obama at Harvard. She also describes him as a cold fish.
Government yes, people no! Typical socialist mindset.
Good point. That was the previous poster’s list of assessments on the original thread.
criminals should have guns funded by government but peaceful citizen should not have guns to defend themselves - they need to rely on the government
I didn’t believe my repost of this was going to shape the election, but you know how the liberals like to say that if it saves one life, it’s worth it. Well, if me taking a few minutes of my time to dredge this up from 2008 causes someone to listen to the interview and find John Lott credible and it changes their vote or makes them vote, then it was worth it. You don’t have to frequent FR to come across threads that are posted here. Most likely, you are right, but you never know on the interwebs who will see what.
"Security" patrols stationed at polling places in Philly:
Black Panthers intimidate voters in Philadelphia with night stick:
Shock Photos: Candidate Obama Appeared And Marched With New Black Panther Party in 2007:
Bet if the big eared oaf was watching Batman and some joker (pi) with a rifle suddenly burst through the exit door...
Errr, BULLETIN, Bone-head; we were pretty bad-ass when we had nothing but rocks and clubs. Many died violently as a result.
If that idiot truly believed that he would have the Secret Service disarmed. Our lives are just as important as his scrawny little ass.
Even if the GOP controls the House and Senate, is there any doubt that this guy will try to use executive orders and the regulatory dictates of the permanent bureaucracy to enact his agenda? He's already shown a willingness to make his own law when Congress refuses to go along.
Think about his behavior in office and the hints he's let slip about his views and attitude going forward when speaking without a script. Now, read the following interview...
The Communist. Frank Marshall Davis: The Untold Story of Barack Obamas Mentor
Frontpage Interviews guest today is Paul Kengor, Ph.D., a bestselling author whose works include Dupes: How Americas Adversaries Have Manipulated Progressives for a Century; God and Ronald Reagan; God and George W. Bush; God and Hillary Clinton; and The Crusader: Ronald Reagan and the Fall of Communism. His articles regularly appear in publications ranging from USA TODAY to The New York Times, plus numerous academic journals.
A professor at Grove City College, Kengor is a frequent commentator on television and radio. He earned his bachelors degree and Ph.D. from the University of Pittsburgh and his masters from American University. He is the author of the new book, The Communist. Frank Marshall Davis: The Untold Story of Barack Obamas Mentor.
FP: Paul Kengor, welcome to Frontpage Interview.
I would like to talk to you today about Frank Marshall Davis and his ties to, and influence on, Obama.
But first, I would like to begin with you telling us a bit about a gentleman named Spyridon Mitsotakis. You dedicate the book to him. Tell us why.
Kengor: Thats a great question that gets to the heart of how and why I did this book.
Spyridon is a remarkable young man. I met him when I was signing books at CPAC in February 2011. He had bought my previous book, Dupes, and seemed to know more about liberal/progressive dupes and the American communist movement than even I did. He was standing there at the front of the line asking me a new question every few seconds, clearly very precociousand annoying the folks behind him in line, who told him to move on. I gave him my email address and promised Id answer his questions in full via email. He said, Yeah, right. When he emailed me, I followed through on my promise. He finished our email exchanges by saying, Hey, by the way, Im a student at NYU, and we have the largest collection of archives of the American Communist Party. Id love to help you with research. Let me know if you need anything.
Well, my plan at that moment was to take my time writing a follow up to Dupes, and not at all to do a biography of Frank Marshall Davis. I figured Id get to seek more information on Davis for the Dupes follow-up, as I had information on him in the original Dupes. So, I said to Spyridon: Im trying to find archives of the Chicago Star, the Party-line publication that Davis wrote for in the latter 1940s. I cant find them anywhere, not even in Chicago. The Library of Congress claims to have them, but theyre not on the shelf. Can you help me?
Within about three hours, Spyridon was emailing me PDFs of the Chicago Star. Within about three weeks, he had mailed me copies of every Davis column in the Star. I was blown away by what I read, particularly the haunting similarity to some of Obamas statements. I soon realized that I, alone, was in possession of a treasure trove of information on Frank Marshall Davis. Spyridon kept digging and finding more and more, and then I realized I had to do this book. It wouldnt have happened without Spyridonthus the dedication. The kid could be a future Herb Romerstein.
FP: Wow, well, our thanks and appreciation goes out to Spyridon Mitsotakis and we wish him bountiful energy and the enthusiasm in his search and battle for historical truth in the road ahead.
Ok, so who was Frank Marshall Davis?
Kengor: Frank Marshall Davis, Communist Party USA (CPUSA) number 47544, was a 20th century American who wrote pro-Soviet propaganda in newspaper columns and was a loyal Soviet patriot.
FP: What do you mean by loyal Soviet patriot?
Kengor: While it will shock naïve liberals who still dont grasp the horrors of communism, readers of FrontPage will understand. Leftist Americans who took the extraordinary step of joining CPUSA swore a loyalty oath to the USSRStalins USSR in the case of Frank Marshall Davis. The oath stated: I pledge myself to rally the masses to defend the Soviet Union, the land of victorious socialism. I pledge myself to remain at all times a vigilant and firm defender of the Leninist line of the Party, the only line that insures the triumph of Soviet Power in the United States.
FP: When did Frank Marshall Davis join the Communist Party?
Kengor: Remarkably, he joined early in World War II, after the Hitler-Stalin Pacta period when many Party members bolted the Party because they were outraged at Stalin signing that pact with Hitler. That pact, of course, precipitated the invasion of Poland and World War II. Jewish American communists in particular were aghast. The man in Moscow to whom they swore their unwavering allegiance had helped pave the way for the Holocaust.
FP: Surely Frank Marshall Davis knew about the pact. Did he ever explain myself?
Kengor: Actually, yes, he did. He made sure he addressed this in his memoirs, conceding that he had felt betrayed by Stalin. But he apparently got over the betrayal. So the Russians were as hypocritical as the rest of the white world! he yapped. No surprise, since the Russians were white, what else could you really expect?
In short, Daviss discomfort over Stalins agreement with Hitler was not enough to keep him from joining the Party. He still drank from the chalice.
For the record, this wasnt the only time that Davis helped accommodate Hitler. In 1940, he hooked up with one of the worst, most seditious communist fronts ever to operate in the United States: the American Peace Mobilization. That group, which in 1940 sought to keep America out of the war and from stopping Hitler because Hitler (at the time) was allied with Stalin, was organized by CPUSA and the Comintern in Chicago, which was where Davis was located. The communists who organized the peace mobilization sought out dupes from the Religious Left and other various progressive factions. They also directly recruited African Americans, claiming that the evil FDR was seeking to send black boys to their death to fight for evil Churchill and the British. This was the kind of vulgar propaganda that CPUSA regularly peddled. One of the African Americans that they targeted was Frank Marshall Davis. This was a powerful factor in bringing Davis into the Party as an eventual full member.
I must note that it was also through this group that Davis would work with Robert Taylor, who just happened to be the grandfather of Valerie Jarrett.
FP: Thats remarkable. Valerie Jarrett today is Obamas right-hand woman in the White House.
Kengor: Yes, and its even more eerie than that. Frank Marshall Davis, Obamas mentor, also worked with Vernon Jarrett in these circles. Vernon Jarrett was Valeries father-in-law. And its worse still. Davis, Obamas mentor, also worked with Harry and David Canter, two other Chicago communists. The Canters mentored a young man named David Axelrod in Chicago in the 1970s. So, the troika thats arguably running America todayObama and Valerie Jarrett and David Axelrodall have common bonds in Chicagos communist circles from the 1940s. Their mentors knew each other.
I know this is incredible, but its true. You couldnt make this up. No one would believe it. Were being governed by ghosts from Chicagos Communist Party glory years.
FP: Are there other people that Frank Marshall Davis worked with in Chicago who have relevance today?
Kengor: Oh, yes, I could go on and on. At the Chicago Star, the communist newspaper for which he wrote and was the founding editor-in-chief (1946-48), Davis regularly shared the op-ed page with Senator Claude Red Pepper, who at that exact time was writing the bill to nationalize healthcare in the United Stateswhich Davis himself advocated in his columns. By the way, Peppers chief of staff, who wrote that bill, was Charles Kramer, who we now know was working for the KGB under the codename mole.
Another Davis comrade at the Star was William Patterson, who actually mentored Frank Marshall Davis and was probably more important than any other figure in bringing Davis into the Party.
FP: William Patterson was a hardcore communist. Kengor: Yes, and among his legacies is the Kremlins Peoples Friendship University, which he helped plan in the 1960s. Peoples Friendship University became better known as the Patrice Lumumba Friendship University, a Kremlin grooming school for third-world revolutionaries. This university, the third largest in the USSR, schooled some of the worlds leading terrorists. Distinguished alumni include Irans Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas, whose doctoral thesis became a book, The Other Side: The Secret Relations between Nazism and the Leadership of the Zionist Movement. According to Abbas, only a few hundred thousand Jews were killed in the Holocaust, and those mostly through Nazi-Zionist collusion. Other proud alumni include Carlos the Jackal, Mohamed Boudia, and Henry Ruiz, Nicaraguan Sandinista commander and economic planner-in-chief.
Among this band of rogues, Mohamed Boudia was a top figure in the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP), one of the cores branches of the PLO. He was in charge of PFLP terrorist operations in Europe, placed there by the KGB, where he worked with Soviet-backed terror cells in East Berlin. There he also worked with the Black September Organization. Among Boudias most dastardly actswhich involved Mahmoud Abbaswas the brutal murder of Jewish Olympians in the 1972 Munich massacre.
Such is the sordid legacy of the Peoples Friendship University, championed by Frank Marshall Davis mentor William Patterson.
FP: So, Patterson helped mentor Frank Marshall Davis, who, in turn, mentored Obama? Kengor: Correct.
FP: In your book, you say that Daviss first major Party job was editing and writing columns for the Chicago Star in the late 1940s. You found a lot of similarity in what Davis was writing and what Obama says today.
Kengor: Yes. Davis constantly bashed Wall Street, big oil, profits, GOP tax cuts, the wealthy and millionaires. He called for taxpayer funding of universal healthcare and public works projects. He targeted General Motors. He championed Russian foreign policy, especially at the expense of countries like Poland. I could go on and on. The similarities are chilling.
FP: Was there a particular Davis column that really struck you?
Kengor: Yes, and I use it to open the book. In a November 1946 column, Davis wrote: Im tired of being beaned with those double meaning words like sacred institutions and the American way of life which our flag-waving fascists and lukewarm liberals hurl at us day and night. This struck me because its so similar to Obamas quoting of Davis in Dreams from My Father. There, Obama quoted Davis saying: Theyll train you so good, youll start believing what they tell you about equal opportunity and the American way and all that sh-t.
When I saw that, I knew that Davis had lectured Obama with at least some of the same sentiments decades earlier in his old Communist Party writings. I found a bunch of examples of Davis trashing the American way, so much so that my initial subtitle for this book was Frank Marshall Davis and the American Way.
FP: Okay, when did Obama meet Davis?
Kengor: According to an eyewitness, they were first introduced in 1970. It was Obamas grandfather, Stanley Dunham, who made the introduction. Dunham, himself a leftist, saw in Davis a potential role model and black father figure that Obama was lacking. Davis knew and influenced Obama throughout Obamas adolescence in the 1970s, right up until he went to college. In fact, those disparaging words about the American way were Daviss parting words to Obama before Obama headed off to Occidental College.
FP: You interview someone who knew Obama at Occidental and says that Obama was an actual communist at Occidental.
Kengor: Thats right. The person is Dr. John Drew, who Ive interviewed at length and remain in regular contact with today. Hes totally credible, no axe to grind, no story to sell. Drew contacted me because he knew I was researching Davis. Drew sees himself as the missing link between Obamas time with Frank Marshall Davis and with later radicals like Bill Ayers and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright. Drew himself was a Marxist at the time, and Obama was introduced to him as a fellow Marxistas one of us. Drew told me about Obamas belief in what Drew described as the Frank Marshall Davis fantasy of revolution. Drew, who was a more realistic, chastened Marxist, was stunned at Obamas unwavering belief in the imminence of a Marxist revolution in the United States.
Now, for the record, if this is true, this doesnt mean that Obama is today still a Marxist, but it would mean that he once wasand Frank Marshall Davis would have been a primary explanatory factor in Obama becoming a Marxist at the time. Thats why (among other reasons) this book on Davis needed to be done.
FP: Was Davis a national-security threat?
Kengor: The federal government thought so. In the book, I present documents from Daviss 600-page FBI file in which the FBI repeatedly re-certifies Davis on the Security Index. Thats a very serious thing. It means that, in the event of a war breaking out between the US and USSR, Obamas mentor could have been placed under immediate arrest.
Needless to say, thats quite unprecedented for a presidential mentor. With a mentor like that, Barack Obama should have trouble getting a security clearance for a standard, entry-level government job. Instead, Americans elected him right into the Oval Office.
FP: Incredible, that is really something. Paul Kengor, how would you crystallize the main message/thesis of your book?
Kengor: Mentors matter. Any study of any president starts with mentors. We all know that. And yet, why have we ignored this mentor to this particular president? Well, the answer is clear from my book: Because no president in all of American history has ever had a mentor as radical as Frank Marshall Davis. No presidenteverhas had a mentor who was a literal card-carrying member of the Communist Party. This obviously ought to merit our attention. My book provides that attention. Its scandalous that it would take four years into Obamas presidency for a book like this to be published. Its a sign of the woeful liberal bias by this nations journalists and biographers.
FP: What do you hope your book will help achieve?
Kengor: Many things, but Ill list just a few. First off, I want people to continue to realize that our president is the product of some remarkably radical influences, and here, in Frank Marshall Davis, was arguably the most radical of them all. Davis had an influence on Obama. We need to consider that influence.
Beyond that, Id like liberals and Democrats to please understand that communists were not their friends. The communists considered liberals to be their useful idiots, their dupes, their prey, as Whittaker Chambers put it. They used them incessantly. Davis was one of those who used liberals. And then, after all that, after decades of targeting the Democratic Party, Davis ultimately infiltrated the party and even influenced its current president. Its a remarkable story.
Finally, there were numerous American communists like Frank Marshall Davis who did horrible agitation on behalf of international communism throughout the 20th century. They were on the wrong side of history, a bloody side that left over 100 million corpses in their wakedouble the combined dead of the centurys two world wars. And you know what? They never apologized.
No, instead, they cursed their accusers for daring to charge (quite correctly) that they were communists threatening America and the wider world. Not only did they get away with it, but liberals today continue to excuse and protect them. In Daviss case, they do so to protect Obama. This is a great historical injustice. The truth needs to be told.
FP: Paul Kengor, thank you for joining Frontpage Interview.
Kengor: Thank you, Jamie. And my thanks to you, David Horowitz, and everyone at Frontpage for your courage. Be not afraid.
How, how did this guy get elected? How? It's too easy to blame an incurious media. How come McCain didn't have opposition research into all of this? How can the Republicans keep nominating uncharismatic nominees who lack the ability to articulate a clear conservative, freedom focused vision for America?
If Obama gets re-elected by vote or fraud, this will become a very scary country.
Sorry I never replied to you. I believe I had heard the interview with Lott too and then found your link on FR or maybe I just came across your link first. Anyway, glad you posted it back then and it got a little bit of a rehash. :)