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Black Hills to shutter some coal-fired plants
Fuel Fix ^ | August 7, 2012 | Associated Press

Posted on 08/07/2012 5:35:34 AM PDT by thackney

Black Hills Corp. said Monday that its utilities will close some older coal-fired power plants because it would cost too much to bring them in compliance with new federal and state environmental regulations.

The company said its Colorado Electric subsidiary will idle a plant in Canon City, Colo...

The Black Hills Power subsidiary will suspend operations Aug. 31 at a coal-fired unit in Rapid City, S.D., and retire the plant in March 2014. It also plans to retire plants near Gillette and Osage, Wyo., in March 2014...

(Excerpt) Read more at fuelfix.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Colorado; US: South Dakota; US: Wyoming
KEYWORDS: coal; coalplant; energy
Natural Gas units being built
1 posted on 08/07/2012 5:35:40 AM PDT by thackney
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To: thackney

The compliance laws have to do with Global Warming and CO2 regulations. It has nothing to do with reality or pollution, simply out of control gummit.

Pray for America


2 posted on 08/07/2012 5:41:48 AM PDT by bray (If you vote for a Communist, what's that make you?)
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To: thackney

I wonder what the MSM and The Government will say this winter and next summer when the Blackouts, Rolling or otherwise, end up killing thousands of people?


3 posted on 08/07/2012 5:44:25 AM PDT by The Working Man
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To: bray

Don’t want to be CRUCIFIED now do you?


4 posted on 08/07/2012 5:46:24 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: The Working Man

Actually I think the private sector has sort of saved Baraq and the left on this one.

By finding and producing so much low cost natural gas that can be used for generation.

Frack you, Baraq !!


5 posted on 08/07/2012 5:47:32 AM PDT by nascarnation
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To: thackney
Makes sense in SD or cost efficient producers in the area.

At least there is a new producer like NG as opposed to the onslaught of coal in Ohio will help. Many states will have no luck when coal is destroyed without NG.

6 posted on 08/07/2012 5:50:21 AM PDT by Recon Dad (Gas & Petroleum Junkie)
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To: nascarnation

Yes, you do have a point there. So do you want to bet on when the latest, more onerous regulations directed at Natural gas drilling and usage of the product will be issued?


7 posted on 08/07/2012 5:51:06 AM PDT by The Working Man
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To: The Working Man

Environmental Protection Agency
Natural Gas Extraction - Hydraulic Fracturing
http://www.epa.gov/hydraulicfracture/


8 posted on 08/07/2012 5:56:02 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Recon Dad

Problem is NG is 250% higher cost than coal and that doesn’t count having to build new plants. Coal is a far more efficient source than NG or anything else.

Pray for America


9 posted on 08/07/2012 5:59:12 AM PDT by bray (If you vote for a Communist, what's that make you?)
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To: thackney
Pray the EPA has a dramatic budget crisis after this election. The folks at my congress critters office know the sound of my voice over various complaints with the EPA being a big one.
10 posted on 08/07/2012 6:01:28 AM PDT by MrPiper
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To: thackney

Very good!

Our government at work, screwing the citizens on a daily basis. Illegals on the other hand? Welcome, Welcome as long as you vote for the democrats. Oh, yeah! Here’s your EBT Card.


11 posted on 08/07/2012 6:02:49 AM PDT by The Working Man
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To: The Working Man
I wonder what the MSM and The Government will say this winter and next summer when the Blackouts, Rolling or otherwise, end up killing thousands of people?

The usual...."We're making progress but there is still more to be done".

12 posted on 08/07/2012 6:04:17 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: bray
Coal is a far more efficient source than NG or anything else.

Cost efficient, maybe, but not energy efficient.

Combined Cycle Integrated Gas Turbines are reaching above 60% efficiency.

http://www.siemens.com/press/en/pressrelease/?press=/en/pressrelease/2012/energy/fossil-power-generation/efp201202028.htm

13 posted on 08/07/2012 6:06:29 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: bray
The average global efficiency of coal-fired plants is currently 28% compared to 45% for the most efficient plants.

http://www.worldcoal.org/coal-the-environment/coal-use-the-environment/improving-efficiencies/

14 posted on 08/07/2012 6:09:46 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: bray

“Problem is NG is 250% higher cost”

Actually there is quite the glut of NG. Coal companies are running out of storage place for coal, because they are locked in to coal contracts that will cost them $$ to cancel. Meanwhile they can’t sell the coal generated power because NG plants are undercutting their prices.


15 posted on 08/07/2012 6:22:55 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: bray

I have relatives in SoDak. Last I heard, they were paying around .085/kWh for electricity.

There are also a lot of wind turbines as you drive West on I-90. New huge transmission lines are being installed across Wisconsin to deliver that power to the cities from Madison, WI to Milwaukee and points East.

This is all being fast-tracked by the zer0 administration, according to WI locals who are fighting the transmission towers.

Yes, they admit cost will go up for those who will not receive the power, but who will have the transmission lines going across their property.


16 posted on 08/07/2012 6:25:13 AM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: thackney

When they hit, we need to be prepared to saturate the American consciousness with the phrase “Obama Blackouts”.


17 posted on 08/07/2012 6:26:03 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: thackney

“Natural Gas units being built” Indeed they are.

Shale Gas Takes On Coal To Power America’s Electrical Plants
http://www.forbes.com/sites/energysource/2012/05/30/shale-gas-takes-on-coal-to-power-americas-electrical-plants/


18 posted on 08/07/2012 6:29:03 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: thackney

Which is why we need to use as much coal as possible and heat our houses with NG. We need to keep energy production as cheap as possible to rebuild this economy. Coal costs .04 per KW while NG is around .10 although dropping as we bring more production.

Still makes more sense to burn dirt than NG especially with the technology we have today. The CO2 fraud should be discredited and ignored which is what closed these plants.

China is on the right track with coal:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/11/world/asia/11coal.html?_r=1

Pray for America


19 posted on 08/07/2012 6:31:44 AM PDT by bray (If you vote for a Communist, what's that make you?)
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To: bray
Coal costs .04 per KW while NG is around .10

A kilowatt comparison? Are you only talking about the initial plant construction?

Produced energy costs are measured in $/kWH.

20 posted on 08/07/2012 6:35:00 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Recon Dad
"At least there is a new producer like NG as opposed to the onslaught of coal in Ohio will help. Many states will have no luck when coal is destroyed without NG."

Look at a map of natural gas pipelines for the USA. There are lots of them that route across the Midwestern states.

21 posted on 08/07/2012 6:39:14 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: nascarnation

Until they outlaw fracking.


22 posted on 08/07/2012 7:16:18 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: Vaquero

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RevRZaZQpk


23 posted on 08/07/2012 7:26:57 AM PDT by Mr. Wright
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To: bray

We are fools for allowing the shut down of all these coal plants that make inexpensive electricity.
coal is a mature/stable priced energy source perfectly suited for electrical generation. We should be building more plants.

NG and awl has been the major source of income for my family since the mid 1930’s and mark my words, we will rue the day we shut the coal plants down.

There is already evidence the NG industry is doing everything it can to drive up the price; shutting in wells, reducing drilling programs, preparing export operations. What will be the price of a KW hour when NG gets to $18.00/1000 cuft? Are we willing to pay 50 cents per KWH to heat our homes?

We should use our coal for electricity while retooling the nuclear. Save NG for home and transportation. (sheese, I never though I would agree with T. Boone)


24 posted on 08/07/2012 7:37:43 AM PDT by biff (WAS)
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To: The Working Man

They won ‘t report it as long as obama is in office. We will be told it is global social justice and glorified as the new standard of living. If Romney wins it will be reported as his fault.


25 posted on 08/07/2012 8:06:31 AM PDT by Bluebird Singing
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To: Mr. Wright

and the coal miners union says, WHAT?


26 posted on 08/07/2012 8:06:44 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: thackney

They can always burn bison pies.


27 posted on 08/07/2012 9:13:09 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Vaquero

To the best of my knowledge, the UMW is supporting OBAMA in 2012. I cannot imagine the UMW supporting ROMNEY.


28 posted on 08/07/2012 12:57:22 PM PDT by Mr. Wright
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