Posted on 08/07/2012 6:46:31 PM PDT by pansgold
The Hague Convention on International Adoptions, to which the US is a signatory DOES allow the citizenship laws of the adopting nation to be honored so as to facilitate adoption in the host country. Pakistan does not allow for dual citizenship and undoubtedly required Lolo Soetero to renounce Barry’s US citizenship so that he could adopt him. True Barry’s US citizenship cannot be PERMENENTLY renounced by such actions. However, Barry would have to appear before an appropriate State Dept. official and swear an oath of loyalty to the US so as to repatriate himself upon achieving the age of 18. He would then be a NATURALIZED citizen, and would forever lose any NBC status that he might have had. (Iam sure he was NEVER an NBC) There is no evidence that he did so.
The purpose of Article II, Sec. I Clause 5 of the USC was to protect the office of the POTUS from undue foreign influence, PARTICULARLY from a father owing allegiance to a foreign sovereignty NOT to ensure an alien entity like Barack Obama would have the right to assume the presidency one day. The measure was EXCLUSIONARY (only applicable to the presidency and NO other provision of citizenship) and not to be interpeted as all inclusionary so as to protect the office of POTUS.
Travel ban or no travel ban, the question is what citizen status did Obummer claim on his travel records? There must have been something those State Depart. records that Obummer needed to hide awfully bad, since there is one dead body in D.C. relating to the pilfering of State Department records. John Brennan reminds me a lot of Sandy Berger. Each, turned out to be “security advisers”??? and each pilfered official government records. One at the National Archives and the other at the State Department. It must go with the title.
The good news is that, with conservative GOP canidiates who are running for the Senate winning primaries, the Senate will be taken back.
If Obama decided to do some such thing prior to turning 21 in order to hang onto his Indonesian nationality then he likely lost his US nationality under paragraph (1), without even taking into account actions he may have taken under paragraph (2) or paragraph (5). Again, he would have lost his nationality even if no one in the US State Department even knew about it.
Again, lots of assumptions without any facts. And if no one in the State Department knew about it, then he never renounced his citizenship. Certainly, the Indonesians would have such a record if they issued him a passport.
Obama had other options on citizenship including the UK from his father--you know the guy he mentioned in his autobiography.
The reality is that it is very difficult to lose your citizenship. There are plenty of SCOTUS cases on the issue
And there are plenty of cases where people tried to renounce their citizenship and it was rejected. Applying for a passport from another country is not ipso facto evidence for loss of citizenship. I bet Rahm Emanuel has or had Israeli citizenship when he served in Israel assisting the Israeli military.
Travel records? The only record of travel is the stamped passport, which the State Department does not have access to except when someone exits or returns to the US. For those countries requiring visas, you go to the country in question for a visa. The State Department keeps no records of one's travel outside the US.
The only information retained by the State Department are the passport applications. They could contain some very revealing information. The travel to Pakistan would not be included even if he used a US passport.
Never happened. That email is a four-year old Internet hoax.
http://theobamafile.com/_eligibility/Occidental.htm
I understand that, but thanks for clarifying it. The problem would come from declaring he is a foreign student to get a financial and literal benefit over US citizens. The fact that at the time he held dual citizenship makes it even worse and clearly with some forethought.
THAT will get him in trouble with many folks.
But he beauty of this is that it is not a birther issue. By claiming that he is a foreigner (Indonesian NOT Kenyan) he is a fraud. And not just a fraud because of something he had no control over, but he made a deliberate and conscious decision to defraud these schools into letting him in.
So the point here is something that most Americans abhor: someone who is willing to denounce his country in order to get ahead of at hard working American kids. foreign and black, gets you to the absolute front of the diversity line.
look in the mirror....I suspect that we have obammey voters on FR right now....and we had them last election too....
hope and chains.....
If I had proof...I would wait until AFTER the Dem Convention. At that point the would have a real fraud as the nominee. That would be delicious to watch.
Well it took a while for Hannity to go there. At least it's on the table now.
I agree that declaring himself to be a foreign student would be a real problem regardless of the legality or not. It would kill his reelection chances.
The inaccurate information I originally replied to was post #3, which you can easily find. That post speculated that Obama lost citizenship as a child and “never got it back”. I pointed out the inaccuracy - American citizenship can’t be lost as a child. I suggest you click the link I supplied to see what the State Department says about it. If you feel the State Department isn’t proof enough, take it up with them.
According to the State Dept, US citizenship for minors can't be renounced at all, temporarily or permanently, unless the minor can convince a consular officer he fully understands the consequences and formally swears in front of a consular officer.
However, Barry would have to appear before an appropriate State Dept. official and swear an oath of loyalty to the US so as to repatriate himself upon achieving the age of 18.
Where does it say a child returning to the US while still a minor, who continued to live and attend school in the US for years as a minor, has to repatriate? Please cite or link.
The Hague Convention on International Adoptions, to which the US is a signatory DOES allow the citizenship laws of the adopting nation to be honored so as to facilitate adoption in the host country.
Wasn't the Hague Convention on International Adoptions signed in 1993? Was there an earlier version in the 60's or 70's? If not, it doesn't apply to the situation then.
Pakistan does not allow for dual citizenship
I think you mean Indonesia.
look in the mirror....I suspect that we have obammey voters on FR right now....and we had them last election too.... hope and chains.....
He seemed to be an ineffectual twit, wasting GOP money. But now he works for a COMMUNIST organization. So perhaps he was not a twit, but a purposeful agent. I always thought Steele was a AA appointee.
If there ever is undeniable proof that the Kenyan Klown was born in Kenya or some other place othet than the USA, the SCOTUS will never allow the case to see the light of day. Well, at least someone there won’t allow it. With the way he ruled in the health care matter, we can resonably assume who the roadblock would be in the residency issue. He would NEVER rule against the Klown. We are stuck with that prick until a) he’s voted out, b) he’s removed from the White House by force, or c) he dies.
Barack Obama being an American citizen which has yet to be proven and to imply that is inaccurate itself.. He has provided at least two fake birth certificates (which to me raised major RED flags). We have no idea who Barack Obama is. That's the whole issue.
sometime lurker, you keep implying that there is evidence that Barack Obama is an American citizen. We do NOT know that. We have no idea where he was born and still no actual proof who his parents were.
You are asking DMZFrank to provide links and proof for this and for that but the bottom line is Obama could be Peruvian for all we know therefore American Citizenship would have no part in the issue.
It’s so much easier to stick with the topic. The topic is NOT Obama’s actions as a child but actions he took as an adult when going to college.
If Obama applied for and went to college as a foreign exchange student... that’s all that matters. There’s no need to look at what the law states for a minor. He’s 18. That’s all that matters.
Obama’s Indonesian schooling began when he was entered into the Roman Catholic, Franciscus Assisi Primary School, in Jakarta, Indonesia, on January 1, 1968 and sat in class 1B. His teacher has been identified as Fermina Katarina Sinaga.
He was registered under the name of Barry Soetoro, serial number 203. The school registration document identifies Barry Soetoro as an Indonesian citizen and his religion was identified as Islam.
This registration document, made available on Jan. 24, 2007, by the Fransiscus Assisi school in Jakarta, Indonesia, shows the registration of Barack Obama under the name Barry Soetoro into the Catholic school made by his step-father, Lolo Soetoro. The document lists Barry Soetoro as a Indonesian citizen, born on August 4, 1961 in Honolulu, and shows his Muslim step-father listed the boy’s religion as Islam.
According to this document, Obama was granted Indonesian citizenship at some point or not. I would like an investigation to determine as to whether that was the case or not, however that may have been accomplished. Seems like a binary question to me.
My understanding of the Hague convention is that an earlier version existed shortly after WWII. I will nresearch that and provide a reply.
My bad. I DID mean Indonesia.
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