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Loughner pleads guilty to Arizona shooting
Fox News ^ | August 8, 2012

Posted on 08/07/2012 10:01:02 PM PDT by Down South P.E.

The suspect in a shooting that left a U.S. congresswoman wounded pleaded guilty Tuesday to going on the rampage that killed six other people. The plea spares Jared Lee Loughner the death penalty in an attack that gained worldwide attention.

The plea came soon after a federal judge had found that months of forcibly medicating Loughner to treat his schizophrenia had made the 23-year-old college dropout competent to understand the gravity of the charges against him and assist in his defense.

At one point, Judge Larry A. Burns asked Loughner if he understood the charges against him and what the government would need to convict him.

"Yes, I understand," Loughner replied.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/07/suspect-in-tucson-shooting-pleads-guilty/#ixzz22vZr1nw7

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: gabbygiffords; giffords; loughner; tucsonshooting

1 posted on 08/07/2012 10:01:09 PM PDT by Down South P.E.
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To: Down South P.E.

Good, now kill him.


2 posted on 08/07/2012 10:06:43 PM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: Down South P.E.
Also from the article..... One uncertainty hanging over the case is whether Loughner will face state charges. The plea agreement to the federal charges makes no mention of that possibility.

Pima County's top prosecutor said last year that she may file state charges in the case that could carry the death penalty. In an agreement with federal prosecutors, County Attorney Barbara LaWall agreed that the federal prosecution would take place before she could bring charges.

LaWall has been unavailable in recent days, and officials in her office have repeatedly declined to comment, saying the office did not have an active prosecution against Loughner.

A state prosecution after a successful federal one would not be unprecedented. Oklahoma City bombing conspirator Terry Nichols avoided the death penalty on federal charges after a 1997 trial and was given a life sentence. State prosecutors then tried him again, but a state jury also declined to sentence him to death. Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/07/suspect-in-tucson-shooting-pleads-guilty/#ixzz22vbsRXh0

3 posted on 08/07/2012 10:08:58 PM PDT by Down South P.E. (Be a Berean Acts 17:11)
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To: Down South P.E.

Another “No **** Sherlock” moment in U.S. judicial history.


4 posted on 08/07/2012 10:11:17 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (The NRA did not create James "The Joker" Holmes. Harvey Weinstein's Hollywood did.)
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To: dfwgator

Too late, “Compassion” and “Forgiveness” have set in.

He should have died on the spot, or very shortly after.
Where is Jack Ruby when we need him!


5 posted on 08/07/2012 10:12:06 PM PDT by Loyal Sedition
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To: dfwgator

Well that doesn’t look like the plan for the Feds based on the agreement....but I guess we will see what the state does next.


6 posted on 08/07/2012 10:12:39 PM PDT by Down South P.E. (Be a Berean Acts 17:11)
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To: Down South P.E.

I think Newt has it right on this. Justice is lacking in this country....particularly when dealing with these type people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpknhsoAf_Q


7 posted on 08/07/2012 10:18:07 PM PDT by Down South P.E. (Be a Berean Acts 17:11)
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To: dfwgator
This may not be a popular opinion, but I actually believe there is value in studying these types of mental disorders. Once these guys realize they're not getting out, they are more likely to open up and discuss what's going on in their brains. A well trained psychiatrist can gain valuable insight into behaviors that may help profile potential multi-victim shooters.

The Colorado shooter was identified correctly as a real threat...the problem is what to do with the info.

8 posted on 08/07/2012 10:45:48 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man (T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII 2012 - "Together, I Shall Ride You To Victory")
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To: Down South P.E.

Genesis chapter nine

5 Surely for your lifeblood I will demand a reckoning; from the hand of every beast I will require it, and from the hand of man. From the hand of every man’s brother I will require the life of man.

6 “Whoever sheds man’s blood,
By man his blood shall be shed;
For in the image of God
He made man.


9 posted on 08/07/2012 10:54:23 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The saving of America starts the day conservatives stop supporting what they say they hate.)
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To: Tex-Con-Man; Bender2
[ This may not be a popular opinion, but I actually believe there is value in studying these types of mental disorders.

Once these guys realize they're not getting out, they are more likely to open up and discuss what's going on in their brains.

A well trained psychiatrist can gain valuable insight into behaviors that may help profile potential multi-victim shooters. ]

I think Photobucket we should take a more direct approach. and extract his brain.

But Major, Photobucket How would we get it back in?

I have no idea! Photobucket None, whatsoever!

10 posted on 08/07/2012 11:19:17 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: Down South P.E.

While it is my opinion that Loughner deserves to be put to death for his actions, I do agree to this outcome if all relevant victims agree since it releases them from years of legal conflict. However, I do have concerns about one legal point- the fact that the act committed was in violation of federal laws, which this trial was all about, and also in violation of State laws, which Loughner can possibly be tried for, seemingly placing him in jeopardy twice for his crime in direct contradiction of amendment V of the US Constitution. Can anyone explain to me why this is not so?


11 posted on 08/08/2012 12:16:10 AM PDT by matthew fuller (They'll have to pry my gun, bible, and chikin from my cold dead fingers.)
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To: matthew fuller

We don’t follow the Constitution in this country.


12 posted on 08/08/2012 12:29:32 AM PDT by PghBaldy (Obama 07/22/12: "we all reflect on how we can do something about some of the senseless violence...")
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To: Down South P.E.

All the news is about wounding this Gabby Giffords, and mentions in passing he KILLED 6 other unnamed people.

One was the Federal Judge down there. But Gabby was/is a D and that is all that matters to media.


13 posted on 08/08/2012 1:17:38 AM PDT by shalom aleichem
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To: shalom aleichem

I’m still waiting on the left to issue a heartfelt apology for despicably trying to link the shooting to Sarah Palin, talk radio, the Tea Party, and conservatives in general. I won’t hold my breath, however.


14 posted on 08/08/2012 2:04:53 AM PDT by Uncle Ivan (Alea iacta est)
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To: matthew fuller

This plea agreement resolves the federal charges, such as murder and attempted murder of federal employees, that the state cannot bring. There remain viable state charges that have not been brought, such as murder of the 9 year old. The Constitution says that you can’t be tried twice for the same crime. It doesn’t say that you can’t be tried twice concerning the same “event.”. This creep, like the one in Aurora, CO - racked up multiple crimes for the same event - a mass shooting - and he could be tried for them all.


15 posted on 08/08/2012 3:35:17 AM PDT by Belle22
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To: PghBaldy

For now until the November elections.


16 posted on 08/08/2012 3:38:38 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Down South P.E.

The guy killed 6 people, they feed him tranquilisers for 6 months and then decide to let him live.

He needs to be executed and soon.

The death penalty is not a deterrent because we so seldom use it and wait 20 years to do it.

California has 600 on death row who will die a natural death long before they are executed.No wonder it isn’t a deterrent.


17 posted on 08/08/2012 4:47:48 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: EternalVigilance

I agree...taught it in Sunday School last week....right along with Romans 13:1-4....swords are not for studying or spanking those who do such evil as this.


18 posted on 08/08/2012 7:11:08 AM PDT by Down South P.E. (Be a Berean Acts 17:11)
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To: EternalVigilance

I agree...taught it in Sunday School last week....right along with Romans 13:1-4....swords are not for studying or spanking those who do such evil as this.


19 posted on 08/08/2012 7:11:39 AM PDT by Down South P.E. (Be a Berean Acts 17:11)
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To: Venturer

That’s kind of what I meant when I said Justice is lacking in this country. If it were implemented swiftly particularly in clear cut cases such as this I believe it would be a good deterent.....as it is they just offer you free room and board and celebrity status for the rest of your life on the tax payers dime.


20 posted on 08/08/2012 7:18:37 AM PDT by Down South P.E. (Be a Berean Acts 17:11)
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To: Down South P.E.

You’re absolutely right.


21 posted on 08/08/2012 7:34:47 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (The saving of America starts the day conservatives stop supporting what they say they hate.)
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To: Down South P.E.

For your consideration:

http://www.equalprotectionforposterity.com/the-equal-protection-for-posterity-resolution.html


22 posted on 08/08/2012 7:37:10 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (The saving of America starts the day conservatives stop supporting what they say they hate.)
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To: dfwgator

LOL!


23 posted on 08/08/2012 7:39:53 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Time for a write-in campaign...Darryl Dixon for President)
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To: Down South P.E.

The warden may choose to release him into the general prison population.

An acceptable end, methinks.


24 posted on 08/08/2012 7:44:03 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: Venturer
No, it wasn't about the 6 killings. Actually this was only federal charges so involved only violence done to federal employees. The state can try and execute him for other deaths.

You're well behind on CA's death row tally. There's 724 waiting total, 20 are females. You're right that it can't be a deterrent in CA as the sentences aren't carried out. There's folks from the Carter years still waiting for their execution date and it's now more than 60 years to clear Death Row at a rate of one per month with no added persons.

25 posted on 08/08/2012 8:22:22 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Spread the word: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2915810/posts)
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To: Belle22

That mades sense, thanks. I didn’t realize that the state was precluded from charging the murders of the federal employees. That being the case, they are separate crimes.


26 posted on 08/08/2012 8:26:13 AM PDT by matthew fuller (They'll have to pry my gun, bible, and chikin from my cold dead fingers.)
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To: EternalVigilance

I agree.....abortion is the P.C. term for baby murder.


27 posted on 08/08/2012 6:27:23 PM PDT by Down South P.E. (Be a Berean Acts 17:11)
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To: matthew fuller

The state could charge “first degree murder of John Smith,” but not “first degree murder of John Smith, federal employee” or “attempted murder of a U.S. Congresswoman.”


28 posted on 08/10/2012 6:58:04 PM PDT by Belle22
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