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No More Boring White Guys for the GOP
Townhall.com ^ | August 8, 2012 | Jonah Goldberg

Posted on 08/08/2012 1:52:03 AM PDT by Kaslin

"A friend of mine, a Hispanic entrepreneur, asked me a question some time ago. He said, 'When is the last time you saw a Hispanic panhandler?' I think it's a great question. I'll tell you, in my life I never once have seen a Hispanic panhandler, because in our community it would be viewed as shameful to be out on the street begging."

That was Republican U.S. Senate candidate Ted Cruz of Texas on "Fox News Sunday." He went on to make the case that Latinos are culturally conservative and economically entrepreneurial.

Just for the record, I've seen a Latino panhandler or two. Or at least I think they were Latino -- I don't usually quiz panhandlers about their ethnic backgrounds.

But Cruz is right that there do seem to be fewer Latino beggars than other ethnicities (though in my experience, Asian-Americans are the biggest shirkers when it comes to creating an ethnically diverse lumpenproletariat), and I think Cruz's pride in this fact is refreshing -- and helpful.

I've been saying for a while now that this is the last presidential election in American history where the GOP will benefit from having a boring white guy as the presidential nominee.

This is not a point about racial animosity toward Barack Obama, perhaps the most exaggerated issue of the last four years. The key, as it relates to 2012, is not the white part of that formulation, it's the boring part. The operatic nature of Obama's campaign in 2008 and his inability to live up to the expectations he set for himself have created a market for bland Mr. Fixit types.

But going forward, the GOP needs to figure out a way to become more appealing to new constituencies, particularly younger voters and Latinos.

Boring white guys aren't great for that project. But candidates like Ted Cruz are.

It's hardly a novel insight that the GOP needs to deal with America's changing demographics. Inside the Beltway, the conventional explanation for how Republicans should do that tends to boil down to pandering and capitulation. For instance, Hispanics care about immigration, we're told, therefore Republicans should adopt the same policies as the Democrats.

The substance of those policies aside, there are political problems with this thinking. First, Republicans rarely if ever win such bidding wars.

Second, there's a faulty assumption here: that various ethnicities, and young people generally, are both monolithic and hardwired to support certain policies and are therefore immune to persuasion.

But young people almost by definition believe in things they eventually grow out of. The same goes for Latino voters, who are not monolithic in almost any sense: racially, ethnically, religiously or ideologically.

For instance, contrary to much of what you've heard in the press, the Latino vote in the United States has been growing less Democratic over the last 30 years, according to Sean Trende, the senior elections analyst for RealClearPolitics.com. Moreover, illegal immigration is nowhere near as important an issue for Latinos (as opposed to Latino activists) as the press makes it seem. In 2008, less than half (46 percent) of Latino voters who voted Democratic told exist pollsters that the issue was either "very" or "extremely" important to them. And nearly a third of Latinos who considered illegal immigration "very" or "extremely" important voted Republican.

Trende argues that most of the Democratic advantage among Latinos can be explained by income. Poor people tend to vote Democratic. There are a lot of poor Latinos in the U.S. Still, if you control for income, the Latino voter becomes less distinct from the average voter.

In short, Latinos lean decidedly Democratic, but they are decidedly persuadable as well. And young politicians like Cruz -- and Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida, also of Cuban descent -- have a better shot at persuading them.

White Republican politicians tend to be terrified of racial and ethnic activists and the journalists who empower them. This results in many GOP pols sounding condescending, pandering or dull when they try to reach out to minorities.

Young, energetic, whip-smart and philosophically coherent politicians like Cruz and Rubio can confidently appeal to Latinos without sounding condescending and without caving to liberal assumptions about how to win over Latinos. They're also harder to demonize.

I mean, just imagine if Romney had mused about the nation's dearth of Hispanic panhandlers.


TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; diversity; hispanicvoters; mittromney; tedcruz
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1 posted on 08/08/2012 1:52:13 AM PDT by Kaslin
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>> ‘When is the last time you saw a Hispanic panhandler?’

When is the last time you saw an Amish gang-banger?


2 posted on 08/08/2012 2:01:53 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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Oops, we’re courting minorities... forgot.


3 posted on 08/08/2012 2:03:24 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: Kaslin

Boring White guys built this country...


4 posted on 08/08/2012 2:05:46 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Greed + Envy = Liberalism)
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To: Cowboy Bob

Exactly


5 posted on 08/08/2012 2:08:33 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Kaslin

I don’t see a lot of Hispanic panhandlers, but I see a lot of them lined out the door of the local welfare office, in public housing, and pulling out the EBT Food Stamp cards to pay for food for their truckload of anchor babies in tow.

Ironically, I have also learned that the white dude begging for change on the streets has no clue what kind of social services he may be entitled to.

I do volunteer work, so I come in contact with these folks all the time.

If the illegals weren’t sucking up all the public resources, then maybe there wouldn’t be Americans begging on the streets.


6 posted on 08/08/2012 2:10:09 AM PDT by radpolis (Liberals: You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy)
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To: Cowboy Bob
Boring White guys built this country...

Put that on a bumper sticker.

7 posted on 08/08/2012 2:13:06 AM PDT by thecodont
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To: radpolis
I don’t see a lot of Hispanic panhandlers, but I see a lot of them lined out the door of the local welfare office, in public housing, and pulling out the EBT Food Stamp cards to pay for food for their truckload of anchor babies in tow.

This. For a minority that's (purportedly, at any rate) "culturally conservative," an inordinate number certainly do seem both practiced AT and eager TO BE living la vida liberal, lifestyle-wise.

(... and we won't get into the whole "how 'conservative' can your preferred sub-group genuinely be -- culturally or otherwise -- when so many millions upon millions of same knowingly and enthusiastically violate multiple federal laws in arriving here, to begin with...?" thing.)

8 posted on 08/08/2012 2:23:32 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("If you're not fiscally AND socially conservative, you're not conservative!" - Jim Robinson, 9-1-10)
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To: Kaslin; Liz; AuntB
"A friend of mine, a Hispanic entrepreneur, asked me a question some time ago. He said, 'When is the last time you saw a Hispanic panhandler?

I guess his "friend" has never been near a welfare office, or near an EBT checkout, or near a Home Depot.

9 posted on 08/08/2012 2:40:38 AM PDT by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: raybbr
I guess his "friend" has never been near a welfare office, or near an EBT checkout, or near a Home Depot.

What's wrong with that? I never go near a welfare office or EBT "checkout" either. However, I can't fault the people hanging out near Home Depot. At least they are looking to work for their money, I don't consider them panhandlers at all.

10 posted on 08/08/2012 2:47:13 AM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: radpolis

The truth you speak is there. One only need to look at the illegal hispanic mamas pushing the carts containing their anchor babies down the street en masse to the local grocery store where they’ll redeem their WICs certificates, spend their TANF money with their EBT card.

All this while their ‘husbands’ are out standing by the local gas station to get $10/hour pay for which he’ll pay NO taxes. When he falls off a roof, the ambulance will take him to the emergency room where you and I will pay the bill.


11 posted on 08/08/2012 2:48:56 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Kaslin

I lived in San Diego for 30 years. Yes there are Hispanic panhandlers and I’m not talking about the ones lined up on El Camino Real in the mornings looking for day laborer Jobs.

I’ve seen more Hispanic panhandlers than black panhandlers — but white panhandlers are the more prevalent.

I have never ever seen an Asian panhandler


12 posted on 08/08/2012 2:58:00 AM PDT by Usagi_yo
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To: Kaslin

The hardest working guys I ever saw were Latino waiters in some of the Manhattan restaurants where I used to work. These guys worked like dogs. One guy worked a full month of doubles and this was on his feet, every day, uptempo, dealing with the public, moving the whole time. He was exhausted, but he kept going. I did the same thing, but only for short periods of time.


13 posted on 08/08/2012 3:47:08 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne (Don't vote for anyone who takes contributions from Goldman Sachs)
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To: Kaslin

In all my years in NYC, I’ve never seen a Hispanic panhandler. Never thought about it before. Only whites and blacks do it, I guess.


14 posted on 08/08/2012 3:53:43 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: Kaslin

Joan,

How about we start this debate in December, 2012 - rather than August?


15 posted on 08/08/2012 4:01:50 AM PDT by BobL (Cruz'd to Victory - July 31, 2012)
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To: Kaslin

I was held up at gunpoint by a hispanic. Yeah, they are pillars of society. Yeah, one can generalize about an entire non-race (hispanics can be any race according to the govt).


16 posted on 08/08/2012 4:09:29 AM PDT by PghBaldy (Obama 07/22/12: "we all reflect on how we can do something about some of the senseless violence...")
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To: PghBaldy

That was sarcasm, in case people can’t tell. Hispanics like Sikhs and muslims, built this country. That is sarcasm too.


17 posted on 08/08/2012 4:14:07 AM PDT by PghBaldy (Obama 07/22/12: "we all reflect on how we can do something about some of the senseless violence...")
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To: Gene Eric
I have seen jails filled with Hispanic rapists, murderers, drug dealers, child molesters, gangbangers, burglars, copper thieves and DUI killers... not a single panhandler though.

LLS

18 posted on 08/08/2012 4:30:00 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Don't Tread On Me)
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To: Kaslin
My city is being overrun by foreign peoples. I see an ocean of foreign Hispanics, Muslims, Pakistanis, Somalis, Africans, Asians, Haitans etc.

Obama keeps letting them into the U.S.A. . This is why Americans are begging on the street as immigrants have taken any jobs that are available.

This has to stop.

19 posted on 08/08/2012 4:33:21 AM PDT by rurgan (Sunset all laws at 4 years.China is destroying U.S. ability to manufacture,makes everything)
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To: Kaslin
My city is being overrun by foreign peoples. I see an ocean of foreign Hispanics, Muslims, Pakistanis, Somalis, Africans, Asians, Haitans etc.

Obama keeps letting them into the U.S.A. . This is why Americans are begging on the street as immigrants have taken any jobs that are available.

This has to stop. Go back to your country you sick pukes. This is my country.We have no jobs in this Obama economy.

20 posted on 08/08/2012 4:34:45 AM PDT by rurgan (Sunset all laws at 4 years.China is destroying U.S. ability to manufacture,makes everything)
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To: Kaslin
coherent politicians like Cruz and Rubio can confidently appeal to Latinos

What's to appeal to? Latinos? I thought we were all the same?

21 posted on 08/08/2012 4:34:54 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: raybbr; AuntB; Tennessee Nana; Grampa Dave; La Lydia; Condor51; TADSLOS; 2ndDivisionVet; ...
Cruz is too naive----latinos don't need to panhandle ....what with their drug trade income and $$$zillions they're leeching off US taxpayers.

They got scams up the kazoo: numerous latino identity brokers are selling fake driver's licenses, passports, EITC applications----two Texas latinos travel the US setting up "one-stop shops" in motels using highly sophisticated tech to mfg a myriad of fake US documents which "impoverished" illegals buy for several thousand dollars----including birth certificates, Social Security cards, driver's licenses----for any state in the US------ passports and resident alien cards.

At one point, the US State Dept would not accept passports from a NJ passport office (run by a latino) b/c they were mostly fraudulent.

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Cruz is an anamoly----firstly he's Cuban latino----they are typically more conservative and self sustaining than other latinos. Significantly, most of the Cubans here fled to the US when Castro took over------they abhor Communism and its offshoots.

OTOH, Mexican, Puerto Ricans and other Third Worlders violating our borders are mostly Marxist-socialist freeloaders ----- who DO NOT LIKE Cubans.

22 posted on 08/08/2012 4:41:26 AM PDT by Liz
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To: SamAdams76
wtf? You don't fault illegals for being at Home depot? they are illegal invaders to this country. Illegals and other immigrants are taking jobs that Americans need. Is it ok if illegals camp out at your house and demand you give them jobs or benefits? NO? then why is it ok to do it to all of us? This country is our property and I believe in property rights. Most conservatives are against illegals entering the U.S.A. heck even most Americans are. You can't be a conservative. Are you American? Immigrants are taking everything form construction jobs to labor jobs to high tech jobs.

My city is being overrun by foreign peoples. I see an ocean of foreign Mexicans, Hispanics, Muslims, Pakistanis, Somalis, Africans, Asians, Haitans , every damn thing, etc.

Obama keeps letting them into the U.S.A. . Obama will unconstitutionally grant them all Amnesty by decree. This is why Americans are begging on the street as immigrants have taken any jobs that are available.

This has to stop. Go back to your country you sick pukes. This is my country.We have no jobs in this Obama economy.

23 posted on 08/08/2012 4:47:09 AM PDT by rurgan (Sunset all laws at 4 years.China is destroying U.S. ability to manufacture,makes everything)
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To: Liz; AuntB
RE :”Cruz is too naive——latinos don't need to panhandle

I jumped on that comment days ago on another thread.
It makes you wonder what he is up to. Much more common is latinos on food stamps and other welfare programs, some who cannot read or speak English and many are illegals or children of illegals. I see them here in grocery stores in Maryland holding up the line because they pick non WIC valid foods and try to use the card for them.

the latino begger is a straw man cruz made up just to shoot down.

24 posted on 08/08/2012 4:56:43 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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To: sickoflibs
You got that right---great post.

The US is unique among nations b/c we are a nation of laws---AND WE WANT OUR LAWS OBEYED----

Cruz is really dumb ---pretending not to know about all of this---read on.

ICE's "documents and benefits fraud task force" found a common practice among "impoverished" illegals is to buy several faked identities for several thousand dollars each----the illegal then votes and rides the US gravy train under several names.

<><> Jose Madrigal---the Washington state rapist---had some 30 identities. And probably voted and collected US benefits under every single identity.

<><> Another illegal used multiple identites to bilk UI systems of some $3.5 million.

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US Dept of the Treasury Says Illegal Aliens Collecting Billions in Tax Credits According to the US Dept of Treasury’s Inspector General, more than $4.2 billion in additional child credits were paid out in 2010 to illegal immigrants. In 2005, the pay outs totaled $924 million. This program allows low income earners to claim a $1,000 per child credit. $20 billion EITC is estimated to have been paid out to these cunning "impoverished" illegals. Most of them are collecting over and over again-----using multiple identities-----falsifying official apps---claiming children they do not have and/or falsely stating kids are back in their homelands.

REFERENCE March 8, 2012 KENNER, La. -- Kenner police arrested illegal Marvin Baca who sold false W-2 forms to another illegal immigrant for $1,500. Baca sold fraudulent W-2 forms for $1,500 to other Hispanics here illegally.

Police said that on one of the forged W-2 forms had a SS no of a person living in Virginia. Police said illegal Hispanics purchase fictitious W-2 forms and file false tax returns with the government to receive EITC refunds. Baca was charged with one count of ID theft and two counts of forgery.

25 posted on 08/08/2012 5:08:25 AM PDT by Liz
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To: Kaslin

I get disgusted when I see comments like “boring white guys”. This is quickly becoming “No country for white men”. We should all take a day off at the same time. Let the grand and great minorities see how well they can do with out us. Let the woman see how well they do with out our protection. This sort of thing makes me want to go Galt and let everyone else goddamn rot.


26 posted on 08/08/2012 5:11:45 AM PDT by Anvilhead (In my lifetime we've gone from citizens to subjects.)
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To: All
Another popular scam perpetrated by illegals: falsifying documents to get subprime mtges---then defaulting and selling the homes to family members who flip the price higher and higher to get mtge money---then abscond to Mexico---leaving banks and taxpayers holding the bag.

The Congressional Hispanic Institute, Inc, is an entity organized by Cong Joe Baca (D-Cali) in his capacity as head of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus.

Cong Baca created "HOGAR" (Spanish for home) in 2003 to work with the mortgage industry, lender and banks and latino community groups to increase mortgage lending to what savvy observers considered to be unqualified Latinos.

"HOGAR" colluded w/ Cong BAca in what was to become a massive bilking of taxpayers. Cong Baca calculatedly hyped the fact that the national Latino homeownership rate was 47%, compared with 68% for the overall population.

HOGAR was coached to call the figure "alarming," and to say "a concerted effort was required to ensure that by the end of the decade Latinos will share equally in the American Dream of home ownership."

HOGAR and Cong Baca conned the public, failing to note that most of the "dreamers" were illegals, citizens of Third World countries who had violated US borders.

Predictably, HOGAR colluded w/ co-conspirators which included:

(a) shaky mortgage companies that ran into big trouble;

(b) Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, both now under federal control after billions in taxpayer bailouts;

(c) Countrywide Financial Corp., sold to Bank of America Corp;

(d) Washington Mutual Inc., taken over by the US government and sold to J.P. Morgan Chase & Co.; and,

(e) New Century Financial Corp. and Ameriquest Mortgage Corp, both now defunct, killed by defaulted subprime Latino mortgages.

HOGAR's ties to the subprime mortgage industry were substantial. Bribery and self-dealing were rampant:

<><> Companies that donated $150,000 to Cong Baca got the right to have their own research fellow who would conduct fraudulent studies, which were cunningly used by industry lobbyists to pump lending.

<><> Bribery and extortion in the form of $100,000 annual donations to Cong Baca, for which HOGAR provided phony news releases from Cong Baca's Hispanic Caucus promoting a lender's commercial products to the Latino market,

<><> The most shocking example of bribery well-substantitated by Hogar's literature..... HOGAR announced it worked with Freddie Mac on a self-serving two-year examination of Latino homeownership in 63 congressional districts.

The "study" found Hispanic ownership on the rise thanks to "new flexible mortgage loan products" that the industry was adopting at the urging of Cong Baca's collusive coterie.

<><> HOGAR conned lenders into even more lenient down-payment and underwriting standards.

<><> As the subprime debacle unfolded, HOGAR declined repeated requests for comment despite the economic havoc their activities precipitated.

The mortgage schemes demonstrated the criminal activities of border violators with multiple identities---perhaps violent, terrorist-connected foreigners---colluding and conspiring to defraud private companies and public entities. And mortgage racketeering enterprises which employed sub rosa finance and business practices to carry out deceptions and frauds.

The alleged ring of swindlers---a Congresman, individuals with multiple identities, banks, insurance companies, mortgage nrokers--might be charged with cheating the US govt, taxpayers and bank share holders out of hundreds of millions of dollars via an elaborate web of mortgage and bank frauds.

The mortgage Dreamers used multiple phony identities, fraudulent Social Security numbers, purchased from identity forgers in order to obtain govt-subsidized benefits.

L/E will find that individuals with multiple identities obtained fraudulent mortgages then flipped the houses at ever- higher prices to family member who then absconded to foreign countries, sticking banks (and taxpayers) with hundreds of millions in fraudulent mortgages.

BACKGROUND A Wall Street Journal investigative report related that, according to the Federal Financial Institutions Examination Council examination of the borrowing spree, uncovered financial schemes by low-income housing groups, Hispanic lawmakers, a congressional Hispanic housing initiative, mortgage lenders and brokers, all colluding in fraduent schemes to increase homeownership among Latinos with forged documents which enabled massive fraud.

This was not simply the mortgage market at work. It was fueled by avarice, greed, and Congressional enabling fraudulent practices. In 2005 alone, mortgages to Hispanics jumped by 29%; Latinos with multiple fraudulent identities in low-paying jobs obtained subprime mortgages for prime properties---soaring to 169%.

(Research provided by Wall Street Journal. Some material excerpted from the NY Times).

27 posted on 08/08/2012 5:13:40 AM PDT by Liz
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To: Liz; All
When Liz gets on a roll... baby, she is unstoppable. ;)
28 posted on 08/08/2012 5:15:50 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("If you're not fiscally AND socially conservative, you're not conservative!" - Jim Robinson, 9-1-10)
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To: sickoflibs
Cruz's inane comment about the dearth of latino pahandlers makes you wonder what he is up to.

(Cackle) that's easy to figure out.

Cruz has huge political ambitions---sees himself as the "first" latino president---so he needs to harness the (cough) "latino vote" (most of it fraudulent) to catapault him into office.

This all fits in w/ The Third World orchestrating the border invasion.

The invaders are their pressure groups organized into hyphantaed voting blocs. The Third World knows vote-crazed politicans will suckup to hyphenated voting blocs for campaign contributions and votes.

The Third World is using the Mideast Political Playbook----salivating over the "foreign aid" the federales expect to rain down on their hellholes.

29 posted on 08/08/2012 5:23:52 AM PDT by Liz
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To: Anvilhead; Liz; All
Illegals commit more crimes than white Americans.

blacks commit many x the crimes on whites ( many of them sexual assault,35,000 white women sexually assaulted in 2005) .

All this is hidden by the media.

30 posted on 08/08/2012 5:24:29 AM PDT by rurgan (Sunset all laws at 4 years.China is destroying U.S. ability to manufacture,makes everything)
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To: Anvilhead; Liz; All
Illegals commit more crimes than white Americans, especially more rape and murder.

blacks commit many x the crimes on whites ( many of them sexual assault,35,000 white women sexually assaulted in 2005) .

All this is hidden by the media.

31 posted on 08/08/2012 5:27:10 AM PDT by rurgan (Sunset all laws at 4 years.China is destroying U.S. ability to manufacture,makes everything)
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To: Liz

Uh-oh, Cruz will be another Hispanderer just like the little McCain buddy Rubio. What is it with cowards like Jonah Goldberg, always dishing the Anglos but never missing an opportunity to send the Anglo Armed Services into combat while he sits on his fatazz.


32 posted on 08/08/2012 5:28:54 AM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: Kaslin

So this guy has never been to Mexico? Talk about panhandlers!


33 posted on 08/08/2012 5:38:00 AM PDT by jdsteel (Give me freedom, not more government.)
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To: Kaslin; Liz; sickoflibs
‘When is the last time you saw a Hispanic panhandler?’
Excuse me Mr Cruz but that's a STRAW MAN.

I've never personally seen a Grizzly Bear in the wild, only in a zoo, yet I know they exist in the wild. But by your question, the answer would be it's they don't, they only exist in zoo's.

See Mr Cruz... Straw man.

Plus, in IL -- now an Official Sanctuary State -- they don't have to panhandle, they get my tax money to live on. And the Mex and PR and other 'Hispanic') gang-bangers in Chi rob and steal for theirs -- plus get my tax money. [Sweeeeet! NOT!!!]

To sickoflibs: Straw Man immediately jumped to my mind too. WTF was he thinking?

34 posted on 08/08/2012 5:42:06 AM PDT by Condor51 (Si vis pacem, para bellum.)
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To: Kaslin

Boring white old guys isn’t the problem.....liberal republicans is the problem!!!


35 posted on 08/08/2012 5:54:30 AM PDT by ontap
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To: Cowboy Bob

The only thing “hispanic” about Ted Cruz is his last name. I heard him the other day on Fox News with Chris Wallace. He’s another “boring white guy”, but like you just said boring white guys build the country.

Marco Rubio, hispanic, who speaks fluent Spanish, is the future of the GOP. Sad to say, but it’s fact.


36 posted on 08/08/2012 6:45:05 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: rurgan

Yoo hoo, Senor Cruz-——here’s just a hint at the bills taxpayers are stuck with for the “panhandlers.”

1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year by state governments. Verify: http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=iic_immigrationissuecenters7fd8

2. $22 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens. Verify at: http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.HTML

3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens. Verify at:
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.HTML

4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary & secondary education for children here illegally and [usually] cannot speak a word of English! Verify : http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANscriptS/0604/01/ldt....0.HTML

5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.(or as Terry Anderson says: JACKPOT babies!)Verify http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANscriptS/0604/01/ldt.01.HTML

6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens. Verify:http://transcripts.cnn.com/
%20TRANscriptS/0604/01/ldt.01.HTML

7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.Verify:
http://transcripts.CNN..com/TRANscriptS/0604/01/ldt...01.HTML

8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & socialservices by the American taxpayers.Verify:
http://premium.cnn..com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01..HTML

9. $200 Billion dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens. Verify:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRI

13. In 2006, illegals sent $45 BILLION in remittances to their countries of origin. Verify: http://www/..rense.com/general75/niht.htm

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The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One million sex crimes committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States. Verify: http: // www.drdsk.com/articleshtml

The total cost is a whopping $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR WHICH WOULD BE ENOUGH TO STIMULATE THE ECONOMY FOR THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY.
PLUS!

1. The Earned Income Credit...you know money people get back on their taxes that they NEVER paid into in the first place!llegal aliens, most of which pay zero in net taxes, enjoyed $24.2 billion from the Additional Child Tax Credit (ACTC) last year. That’s more than the annual revenue from the selected oil tax deductions and corporate jet deductions combined!Verify:
http://www.redstate.com/dhorowitz3/2011/09/02/illegal-aliens-receive-4-2-billion-in-additional-child-tax-credits/

2. The cost of prosecuting and being SURE these illegal entrants have their rights protected!In 2009, the U.S. Justice Dept filed nearly 92,000 immigration-related criminal cases in the federal courts. The record-breaking trend accounted for more than half of all new federal prosecutions in the country, according to data maintained at Syracuse University.”
http://towncriernews.blogspot.com/search?q=federal+court+cases


37 posted on 08/08/2012 6:55:22 AM PDT by Liz
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To: Kaslin

As a white, obviously evil man, I’m offended by that title. And let’s not forget that white women aren’t boring because they’re...women.

No, I’m not going to read the article.


38 posted on 08/08/2012 6:56:01 AM PDT by subterfuge (BUILD MORE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS NOW!!!)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

So you noticed (blush).


39 posted on 08/08/2012 6:59:33 AM PDT by Liz
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

So you noticed (blush).


40 posted on 08/08/2012 7:00:25 AM PDT by Liz
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To: sickoflibs

“the latino begger is a straw man cruz made up just to shoot down.”

Harry Reid called them worse than beggers.

Harry REID.....it all depends who he’s pandering to today!

Harry Reid: illegal aliens “free loaders and scam artists”

OH! THE IRONY!
...

“Reid, now an impassioned champion of amnesty for 20 million illegal aliens in America, once called illegal aliens “free loaders and scam artists” which he proposed to deal with in his Immigration Stabilization Act in the United States Senate in 1993.
That proposed legislation was introduced to the floor of the US Senate with the following press release, in part, issued by Reid’s office on August 5, 1993.
“In response to increased terrorism and abuse of social programs by aliens, (I) today introduced the first and only comprehensive immigration reform bill in Congress. Currently, an alien living illegally in the United States often pays no taxes but receives unemployment, welfare, free medical care, and other federal benefits. Recent terrorist acts, including the World Trade Center bombing, have underscored the need to keep violent criminals out of the country.”
http://towncriernews.blogspot.com/search?q=Harry+Reid


41 posted on 08/08/2012 7:01:13 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: rurgan

I agree if they are illegal aliens. If they are American citizens, I have no problem with it.


42 posted on 08/08/2012 7:08:26 AM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: raybbr; All

” “A friend of mine, a Hispanic entrepreneur, asked me a question some time ago. He said, ‘When is the last time you saw a Hispanic panhandler?

I guess his “friend” has never been near a welfare office, or near an EBT checkout, or near a Home Depot. “

Cruz needs some facts, not that facts make any difference with politicians.

There is a new study out today which shows that ‘immigrants’ use more welfare, are poorer and less educated!

Study Finds Poverty & Welfare Common among Immigrants
Many Longtime Immigrant Residents Still Struggling

WASHINGTON, DC (August 8, 2012) – A new study from the Center for Immigration Studies uses Census Bureau data from 2010 and 2011 to provide a detailed picture of the nation’s immigrant population (legal and illegal) by country of birth, state, and legal status. A key finding is that immigration has dramatically increased the size of the nation’s low-income population. In general, immigrants make significant progress the longer they live in the country. But even with this progress, immigrants who have been in the country for 20 years are still much more likely to be poor, lack health insurance, and access the welfare system than native-born Americans. The large share of immigrants with little education partly explains this phenomenon.

“There is considerable concern about issues like poverty and the large uninsured population. But what has generally not been acknowledged is the impact of immigration on these problems,” notes Steven Camarota, the Center’s Director of Research. “Absent a change in policy, 11 to 15 million new immigrants are likely to settle in this country in the next decade and may exacerbate present problems.” The study can be found at: http://cis.org/2012-profile-of-americas-foreign-born-population. Press releases specific to the top immigrant receiving states can be found at http://cis.org/Announcements/2012-profile-of-americas-foreign-born-population-states.

Among the study’s findings:

* Immigrants and their U.S.-born children (under 18) account for one-fourth of all persons in poverty and nearly one-third of the population lacking health insurance.

* In 2010, 36 percent of immigrant-headed households used at least one major welfare program (primarily food assistance and Medicaid) compared to 23 percent of native households.

* Of immigrant households with children 57 percent accessed one or more welfare programs, compared to 40 percent of native households with children.

* The high rates of poverty, uninsurance and welfare use are not due to an unwillingness to work. The share of working-age immigrants (18 to 65) holding a job in 2011 was the same as natives — 68 percent. Immigrant men actually have higher rates of work than native-born men.

* The primary reason for high immigrant poverty and welfare use is the large share of immigrants who arrived as adults with relatively little education.

o Of adult immigrants (25 to 65), 28 percent have not completed high school, compared to 7 percent of natives.
o The share of immigrants (25 to 65) with at least a bachelor’s degree is somewhat lower than that of natives — 29 vs. 33 percent.

* Among the top states of immigrant settlement, immigrants tend to be the poorest and least educated in Arizona, North Carolina, Minnesota, Texas, Georgia, Colorado, and California. Immigrants tend to be the most educated and prosperous in Virginia, New Jersey, Maryland and Massachusetts.

* There is a very significant variation across sending-countries and regions. Immigrants from East Asia, India and Europe tend to be the most educated and have the highest incomes, while those from Mexico and Latin American tend to be the least-educated and have the lowest incomes.

* Many immigrants make significant progress the longer they live in the country. However, as a group, immigrants who have lived in the United States for 20 years have not come close to closing the gap with natives.

o The poverty rate of adult immigrants who have lived in the United States for 20 years is 50 percent higher than that of adult natives.
o The share of adult immigrants who have lived in the United States for 20 years who lack health insurance is twice that of adult natives.
o The share of households headed by an immigrant who has lived in the United States for 20 years using one or more welfare programs is nearly twice that of native-headed households.
o The share of households headed by an immigrant who has lived in the United States for 20 years that are owner occupied is 22 percent lower than that of native households.

* Most immigrants are not recent arrivals. Nearly two-thirds have been in the United States for more than 10 years and their average length of residence in the U.S. is 19 years.

* There are 10.4 million students from immigrant households in public schools, accounting for one in five public school students.

* Overall, one in four public school students now speaks a language other than English at home.

* Of immigrant households, 53 percent are owner-occupied, compared to 68 percent of native households.

* In 2010, 13 percent of immigrant households were overcrowded, compared to 2 percent of native households. Immigrant households account for half of all overcrowded households.

* Immigrants and natives have very similar rates of entrepreneurship — 11.7 percent of natives and 11.5 percent of immigrants are self-employed.

Illegal immigrants. Our best estimate is that 28 percent of the nation’s immigrants are in the country illegally. Illegal immigrants and their U.S.-born children (under 18) account for 5 percent of the nation’s overall population, 10 percent those in poverty, 15 percent of the uninsured and 7 percent of the school age population.

Data Source: The data for this paper come primarily from the public-use files of the 2010 American Community Survey (ACS) and the March 2011 Current Population Survey (CPS). In some cases, for state-specific information, we combine the March 2010 and 2011 CPS to get statistically robust results. In this report, the terms foreign-born and immigrant are used synonymously. Immigrants are persons living in the United States who were not American citizens at birth. This includes naturalized American citizens, legal permanent residents (green card holders), illegal immigrants, and people on long-term temporary visas such as foreign students or guest workers.

http://cis.org/2012-profile-of-americas-foreign-born-population


43 posted on 08/08/2012 7:08:57 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: rurgan

“This has to stop. Go back to your country you sick pukes. This is my country”

I agree with you.

But until you (and I) and other Euro-American conservatives are willing to openly take up arms en masse, round them up and force them OUT of the country, they won’t be leaving — particularly when the federals do everything to -encourage- the infux.

That “expulsion” isn’t going to happen.

I don’t like it any more than you do.
But that’s the reality of the situation.
And I don’t see any changes coming regardless of who gets elected in November....


44 posted on 08/08/2012 7:30:12 AM PDT by Road Glide
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To: rurgan

I agree if they are illegal aliens. If they are American citizens, I have no problem with it.


45 posted on 08/08/2012 7:58:53 AM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: Kaslin
Gosh, Jonah, I guess it's words like these that might make some of us 'suspicious...'

"You old white people. It is your duty to die."

HISPANIC LEADERS SPEAK OUT

Augustin Cebada, Brown Berets; "Go back to Boston ! Go back to Plymouth Rock, Pilgrims! Get out! We are the future. You are old and tired. Go on. We have beaten you. Leave like beaten rats. You old white people. It is your duty to die. Through love of having children, we are going to take over.”

Richard Alatorre, Los Angeles City Council. "They're afraid we're going to take over the governmental institutions and other institutions. They're right. We will take them over . . . We are here to stay."

Excelsior, the national newspaper of Mexico , "The American Southwest seems to be slowly returning to the jurisdiction of Mexico without firing a single shot."

Professor Jose Angel Gutierrez, University of Texas: "We have an aging white America . They are not making babies. They are dying. The explosion is in our population . . . I love it. They are shitting in their pants with fear. I love it."

Art Torres, Chairman of the California Democratic Party, "Remember 187--proposition to deny taxpayer funds for services to non-citizens--was the last gasp of white America in California."

Gloria Molina, Los Angeles County Supervisor, "We are politicizing every single one of these new citizens that are becoming citizens of this country . . ... I gotta tell you that a lot of people are saying, "I'm going to go out there and vote because I want to pay them back."

Mario Obledo, California Coalition of Hispanic Organizations and California State Secretary of Health, Education and Welfare under Governor Jerry Brown, also awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom by President Bill Clinton, " California is going to be a Hispanic state. Anyone who doesn't like it should leave."

Jose Pescador Osuna, Mexican Consul General, "We are practicing 'La Reconquista' in California ..."

Professor Fernando Guerra, Loyola Marymount University ; "We need to avoid a white backlash by using codes understood by Latinos . . . "

46 posted on 08/08/2012 8:16:05 AM PDT by zerosix (native sunflower)
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To: PghBaldy
That was sarcasm, in case people can’t tell. Hispanics like Sikhs and muslims, built this country. That is sarcasm too.

Labeling your statement that you were being sarcastic as sarcasm creates a double-binded logical infinity loop that threatens the whole sarcasm spacetime continuum.

47 posted on 08/08/2012 8:17:38 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: thecodont

Great idea. Let us do it!


48 posted on 08/08/2012 9:00:20 AM PDT by geologist (The only answer to the troubles of this life is Jesus. A decision we all must make.)
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To: All
IRS missing billions in ID theft / AP | 8/2/2012 | Josh Lederman / FR Posted by MrChips

WASHINGTON—The IRS Service may have delivered more than $5 billion in refund checks to identity thieves who filed fraudulent tax returns for 2011, Treasury Dept investigators said Thursday.

They estimate another $21 billion could make its way to ID thieves' pockets over the next five years. The IRS is detecting far fewer fraudulent tax refund claims than actually occur, according to a govt audit that warned the widespread problem could undermine public trust in the U.S. tax system.

Although the IRS detected about 940,000 fraudulent returns for last year claiming $6.5 billion in refunds, there were potentially another 1.5 million undetected cases of thieves seeking refunds after assuming the identity of a dead person, child or someone else who normally wouldn't file a tax return.

In just one example, investigators found a single address in Lansing, Mich, was used to file 2,137 separate tax returns. The IRS issued more than $3.3 million in refunds to that address.

Florida is the epicenter of the identity theft crisis (a state overrun with latinos---many of whom are Cuban---who are also involved in massive Medicare/Aid fraud). Just three addresses in Florida filed more than 500 returns totaling more than $1 million in refunds for each address.

In another troubling scenario, hundreds of refunds were deposited into the same bank account—--a red flag for investigators searching for ID thieves-- who may be filing for refunds for multiple people. In one instance, the IRS deposited 590 refunds totaling more than $900,000 into one account.

SOURCE http://www.twincities.com/national/ci_21218839/irs-missing-billions-id-theft
(Excerpt) Read more at twincities.com ...

REFERENCE ICE's "documents and benefits fraud task force" found a common practice among "impoverished" illegals is to buy several faked identities for several thousand dollars each----the illegal then votes and rides the US gravy train under several names.

<><> Jose Madrigal---the Washington state rapist---had some 30 identities. And probably voted and collected US benefits under every single identity.

<><> Another illegal used multiple identites to bilk UI systems of some $3.5 million.

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REFERENCE US Dept of the Treasury Says Illegal Aliens Collecting Billions in Tax Credits According to the US Dept of Treasury’s Inspector General, more than $4.2 billion in additional child credits were paid out in 2010 to illegal immigrants. In 2005, the pay outs totaled $924 million. This program allows low income earners to claim a $1,000 per child credit. $20 billion EITC is estimated to have been paid out to these cunning "impoverished" illegals. Most of them are collecting over and over again-----using multiple identities-----falsifying official apps---claiming children they do not have and/or falsely stating kids are back in their homelands.

REFERENCE ILLEGAL ARRESTED FOR SELLING FORGED W-2 FORMS WITH STOLEN SS NOS

March 8, 2012 KENNER, La. Kenner police arrested illegal Marvin Baca who sold false W-2 forms to another illegal immigrant for $1,500. Baca sold fraudulent W-2 forms for $1,500 to other Hispanics here illegally.

Police said that on one of the forged W-2 forms had a SS no of a person living in Virginia. Police said illegal Hispanics purchase fictitious W-2 forms and file false tax returns with the government to receive EITC refunds. Baca was charged with one count of ID theft and two counts of forgery.

49 posted on 08/08/2012 10:59:40 AM PDT by Liz
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To: Anvilhead

I agree. Did you see the pictures inside Nasa’s mission control room after the Mars lander touched down? The place looked whiter than rice.


50 posted on 08/08/2012 11:07:28 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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