Skip to comments.Obama's Columbia Years (Could you spend 2 years at Columbia without classmates remembering you?)
Posted on 08/08/2012 6:57:52 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
My fellow Columbian Wayne Allyn Root may well be correct when he suggests that President Obama transferred to Columbia in fall '81 as a foreign exchange student, and I support his challenge to the president to prove otherwise. At the same time, I'd like to provide some context that may explain how Barack Obama could spend two years at Columbia without Mr. Root or a random selection of 400 classmates remembering anything about him.
The first thing to note is that Columbia was a male-only school in those days (the first co-ed class was the class of '87). This means that it was a far less social place than most colleges. Mr. Root was no doubt more outgoing than I was, but in my experience, the time period when it was easiest to meet friends at Columbia was during freshman orientation and during the first semester of freshman year living in a dorm. As someone who transferred to Columbia as a junior, Barack Obama would have missed out on those opportunities. This is in addition to the obvious point that there wasn't much reason for anyone to spend a lot of time hanging out on campus with all of Manhattan a mere subway ride away.
Classes at Columbia typically had 40-100 students in those days, with a few classes having as many as 150-200 students. In my experience, the norm was for students to come to class, sit down, listen to the lecture, take notes, and leave. I only recall one instance of a student asking a question in class in all of my time there.
Consequently, I didn't get to know many English majors just because they were English majors. The only exceptions to this pattern were the required core courses in Literature Humanities and Contemporary Civilization,
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“I only recall one instance of a student asking a question in class in all of my time there.”
Good grief...talk about an intellectually lazy bunch of skulls full of mush! No wonder we have such ignorant leaders in America today.
Perhaps an Ivy League diploma doesn’t mean much in the real world, and there should be a twenty year moratorium barring these hot-house flowers from taking government positions.
He’s spent 4 million dollars to cover up his college years, and the media doesn’t find that in the least bit interesting. What the hell is he so desperate to hide that he would fork over 4 million to keep it hidden?
Most of my college friends were on the fencing or riding teams, the Sherlock Holmes Society, or in my dorm. I didn't run for any student government offices, belong to an eating club, or otherwise concern myself with campus issues.
But I can still think of 5-10 people who probably remember me, several of whom I've kept in touch with over the years.
Whoever sold him illegal drugs might remember him.
I am a conservative so they would DEFINATLY remember me!
Sometimes it seemed like the prof could hardly get a word in edgewise!
Sure you could, if you never attended class.
The writer makes some interesting points about the relative anonymity at Columbia, though I find it unlikely that every class which BO supposedly attended at Columbia was a large lecture hall type class.
And, by his own admission, BO was never a wallflower type introvert.
So, yeah, it is a bit of a stretch, but you could dismiss the lack of Columbia classmates who remember him.
It is not so easy when the same pattern is found at Occidental or Harvard.
Given the fact that the jug-eared moron is an unaccomplished, shiftless and lazy, drug-addled loner, my first inclination was yes, however, once I considered the reality that he is also an overbearing, ignorant, self-aggrandizing, affirmative action enabled, arrogant, no talent a$$ clown, it would be hard not to remember the vile creature.
Bingo! Look around DC. The place is run by them and the proof is in the pudding. Those from other schools generally have a much better understanding the real world and the real America.
Iachetta’s points are all valid, and match my personal experience. I transferred schools midway through my sophomore year (not to Columbia,) moved straight into a studio apartment, and worked full time on third shift until graduation. Outside of the others who were in Army ROTC with me (a relatively small group,) you’d be very hard-pressed to find anybody that remembers me.
Yeah, I noticed that as well. Even back in the 1970's before the term Freeper was even known, I recall a verbal exchange between myself and a big lib history professor which got a little out of hand. They weren't all that uncommon back in the era.
After the class was dismissed, I thought I should try to smooth things over given that I didn't want him retaliating in awarding me a grade. Before I could get my half apology (for the rhetoric, not the facts) out, the prof cut me off and said he wishes there could be more exchanges like that in class with students who were well-informed with facts. Most of what he got was recitation of platitudes, not reasoned debate. I left thinking he was way cool to look at things that way even if we would never agree on our politics of historical interpretation. I got an A in the class.
“Could you spend 2 years at Columbia with no one remembering you/”
Of course you could, if Columbia FALSIFIED your records. That’s what liberal schools do for their Marxist pets. All it takes is the right money greasing the right palms.
I’d be interested to know how this lonely loner who kept to himself...turned into a community organizer with oratorical abilities far beyond those of mortal men.
I graduated from a Big Ten University in the early 1970’s. As a freshman, and to a lesser extent during my sophomore years, I was required to take 100+ student lecture courses. Each of these lectures was followed by smaller recitation classes of about 20 students taught by a teaching assistant. The TA’s always quized the students and took attendence.
But, once I started the courses for my major (Finance) the classes were 20 - 30 students with a lot of intereaction with the professors.
The idea of some reticent, aloof, condescending mystery man becoming successful enough in the political game to get elected president goes against logic and history.
But I think there are plenty of people who knew Barry at the time; they're just the kind of people who like to remain in the background, or whose connection would be embarrassing.
However, the issue is being clouded, again, perhaps on purpose. I don't care if any students knew him; I want to see his grades, test scores, and application info. The idea that his college career was anything but a ticket-punching grooming experience defiees the evidence.
So that cannot be the case. The most reasonable explanation is one of two options:
1. He applied for admission and for grant-in-aids / and or scholastic scholarships AS A FOREIGN STUDENT,...and NOT as an American. If he was an American citizen at the time,... then he committed FRAUD. A substantial amount of money would make it a felony. Had the college or university discovered the FRAUD he would have been expelled and possibly arrested or sued in civil court to recover the money.
I assume the statute of limitations on these crimes will have run out by now, but the revelation of his having committed these crimes would be devastating.
The applications, transcripts and financial papers have probably been removed or destroyed by Axelrod by this point. Unless someone has photocopies it probably won't be discoverable. The liberals who run these institutions may have even facilitated the destruction and/or took bribes to do it.
2. He was a foreign student having given up his American citizenship when adopted by Soetoro. He never re-patriated from same and has served illegally as President.
It is crystal clear (at least to me) that he never was a NBC. His 'supposed' father was a Kenyan national, not an American. If Davis was his actual father, then he was an American NBC. But he claims Obama Sr. was his natural father which we of course assume at this point (for good reason) was and remains a lie.
The only sane conclusions to his preventing his college records from being shown to the public are two:
1. He committed fraud and needs to hide the evidence.
2. The records have been completely destroyed and the revealing of this fact would beg the question why they were destroyed.
The only people I remember from college classes are the really hot women.
This article also does not diminish the importance of how the Illegal got into Columbia and how his stay there was financed. Logically, affirmative action or not, his dubious performance at Occidental and in the last two years of high school should have precluded his admission to Columbia or, at least, kept him from getting a scholarship. Nevertheless, he did get in and received some form of extensive financing. How did he do it?? My guess is he received heavy sponsorship and massive financial support from a number of murky, sinister anti-Ameridan leftists.
That financing and the the fact that his college and law school papers would show he did not write Dreams are probably the two biggest reasons he will never release his college and law school records.
I graduated from Iowa in ‘72 and TAs did most of the teaching while the profs rarely made an appearence.
Brian Ross was in my class in J school.
In my ChE classes at University of Florida, we had a student who never attended classes because he worked all night. He always showed up for tests - and aced every test. He was a straight A student and we knew we had to study harder just to keep up with a guy who never came to class.
So Phil, if you’re out there thanks for pushing us.
Saul Alinsky Rule 5: “Ridicule is mans most potent weapon.”
Journalism is DEAD! There is no searching for truth and facts anymore if it comes to Rat corruption, lies or crimes. There is only regurgitating the leftist talking points.
Back in the day when I went to Columbia there was no absolute requirement that you attend classes and many professors did not take attendance although in a small class it would be noticed if you were absent.
The kicker was that if you missed too many classes, you had to have a final grade of B- or better or you failed the course. I had a lot of classes where I seldom, if ever, attended, relying on my ability to pass the final by reading the material while cramming for the final exam.
A third conclusion might be that he only APPLIED to Columbia, but never actually went as he claimed in his book. Maybe THAT is the fact he’s trying to hide, the he applied as a foreign exchange student and got caught, or was never accepted.
Now, some 50 years later I am not saying that I would remember each person by name, but if shown a photo of them at or near that age, if they were in the public spotlight and I knew that they had attended my college at the same time I would recognize them instantly.
I cannot, however, say the same for graduate school. I knew and remember many individuals but the classes were smaller and we had no contact with the other graduate schools within the university. But if Obama had been in my biology classes I would remember him instantly.
Just my experience,... and doesn't seem to jibe with yours.
“Perhaps an Ivy League diploma doesnt mean much in the real world, and there should be a twenty year moratorium barring these hot-house flowers from taking government positions”
I worked for a company, larger than Kodak (in its good years) that had been in business 88 years without a single layoff.
Between the two owners, they had 3 sons that were sent to Harvard and returned with their MBAs and proceeded, in 3 very short years, to run the company into bankruptcy and gobbled up by a Japanese firm and now is a shadow of its former self.
I then worked for a company which, at the time, was the world’s largest commercial printer, and the majority stockholder died and left his useless son to run the place. He used all his wonderful MBA skills to run that company into bankruptcy.
Anecdotal to be sure, but in my experience someone with minimal expertise running anything using only theories from their MBA is dangerous.
The question here isn’t did someone (Root) remember him. The question is why hide the documents PROVING he was there, ...and the only reasonable explanation is FRAUD.
Few people from a medium sized university who were not into the Greek thing, or athletics would be remembered 30 years later by very many alumni.
Phil Boerner, who was his classmate and first roommate at Columbia, remembers him and has spoken about it. Michael Wold (current MTV president) has confirmed that Obama was a classmate. Professor Michael Baron has gone on and on about Obama's brilliance in class in a manner that will make you gag.
I think it's odd that only two classmates and one professor have come forward.
However, 'we', including journalists like Iachetta, keep repeating that NO classmates and NO professors remember Obama. That's not the case.
What are the odds that O’Bummer was a CIA operative and his visits to Pakistan were part of his work, while Columbia was just a cover that was created? If he were in a witness protection program he wouldn’t enter public politics.
I hope they keep digging as it does smell a bit!
Frank, I'd be willing to accept that if it weren't for the fact that Harvard Law ACCEPTED the putz! He had to submit transcripts to Harvard. Surely someone would have noticed they didn't exist.
On the other hand, I do know that leftist colleges in those days did accept BLACK students who had no scholastic background whatsoever. It's even possible some rich Saudi muslim - for whatever hidden reason - merely picked up the phone and said let this kid in. I wouldn't put it past Harvard in those days,...and NOT even these days!
Maybe more would have remembered Barack if they would have used the name, “Barry Soetero”, instead of Barack Obama.
Why was he given a pass?
2. The records have been completely destroyed and the revealing of this fact would beg the question why they were destroyed.
The records have to be there or somewhere, otherwise he wouldn’t be spending $4 million to hide them.
“Given the fact that the jug-eared moron is an unaccomplished, shiftless and lazy, drug-addled loner, my first inclination was yes, however, once I considered the reality that he is also an overbearing, ignorant, self-aggrandizing, affirmative action enabled, arrogant, no talent a$$ clown, it would be hard not to remember the vile creature.”
This is one of the best descriptions of Bozo that I have seen!
I went to a huge University and estimate 99.9% of people attending the same years I did would not know me. I base this number on 100 friends/acquaintances out of about 100,000 undergrad students enrolled during those years. All of the friends I made were not from classes (most engineers are such geeks :)
Among those who took the same classes I did in engineering school, an even smaller percent would remember me. I rarely went to class and was better at learning the material on my own (I doubt this is the case with Obama). The only students who might remember me were from the small mandatory lab classes of 10 people or less.
I was never close to and dont keep in touch with anyone I had class with.
That’s basically what I’m saying, with all of the other skulduggery that has went on in this creep’s life, and his connections, he could have submitted more of his famous forgeries and some political influence to get into Harvard.
But, theories abound with no one proving a thing. Obama is like the old western town run by the rich cattle baron, who owns the town, the sheriff, the mayor, and the newspaper...who’s going to step up to challenge him?
If this one person knew Obama or not isn’t the main point as I see it.
So far there are ZERO other people who have come forward to say they knew Obama, or remember him, in the years he claims to have been at Columbia.
That is almost unbelievable, considering he is now the president.
People are always eager to announce their close encounters with celebrities and presidents - so where are the people who can say they were in class with the man who became President Of The USA?
So you say three people remember him. Did he merely audit classes? If he did attend as a full-time matriculated student as you imply, the questions still stand: 1. How did a below average 'stoner' at Occidental gain admission to an elite Ivy League university?????
2. Perhaps you know the answer to this but what exactly PROMPTED this moron to suddenly, two years in, apply to a school on the east coast, a place he had never actually lived,...and it HAD to be Columbia, not Yale etc.?????? Did some friend suggest it to him? A kid with NO money to speak of, who used his dough to get high, suddenly decides.....Yeh, Columbia, that's the ticket!
Whoever sold him illegal drugs might remember him.
or bought drugs from him
Wrong. That was 5 years ago. Axelrod has cleaned up every record that could ever be found to hurt this prick. My gut instinct says that Axelrod would NEVER take the chance that even a single transcript or application will ever be found. He’s had a good 5 years to accomplish it. No reason to think they still exist. The bigger scandal now would be WHY DON’T THEY EXIST?????????
I've always said MBA means "Master Bullsh*t Artist".
Wayne Allan Root was probably not in the Choom Gang or he would have remembered Barry real well.
Relatively easy to accomplish, in comparison to their successful concealment of FDR's paralysis resulting from polio.
Neither do I.
However, there was a similar thread yesterday with dozens of FReepers parroting the line that none of his classmates or professors remembered him. This thread is also full of comments about how nobody remembered him - far more comments about that than comments on his foreign student status. In fact, the author of the article makes the mistake of stating that nobody remembers Obama, when that's simply not true.
As conservatives, our currency in the marketplace of ideas should be facts. When we say that nobody remembers Obama from Columbia we're not dealing in facts.
Your other questions - such as how did Obama get to Columbia - are excellent questions.
One thing that is so out of character, is that Obama allegedly became editor of the Harvard Law Review, during his time at Law School. I hear that this is a coveted position, as it probably looks good on a resume, and places one in a very political "power" position. Surely, not a position given up easily, and yet he had it.
It would seem that an undergrad slacker must've had some kind of academic epiphany before they were admitted and entered such a prestigious law school. And from his perch on the editorial board, there were still no publications with his name? No articles attributed to him?
I have believed that to be a strong possibility.
1. Who were his girl friends back then?
2. Who paid for Occidental, Columbia, and Harvard?
3. The media dug up anything and everything on Palin, McCain and now Romney. When they could not find something bad they invented it. If the media did its job, Obama could not be elected as dog catcher. Speaking of dogs, see below.
Note: Obama made a reference to eating dog meat as a child in Indonesia.
Conversation between Daryl Issa and Eric Holder:
Issa, “Where are the documents we asked for and subpoenaed?
Holder, “My dog ate them.”
Issa, “Where is the dog?”
Holder, “The President ate him.”