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Claim: ‘Absolute proof’ Obama was Indonesian citizen
WND ^ | AUGUST 8, 2012 | Jerome R. Corsi

Posted on 08/08/2012 7:10:22 AM PDT by RobinMasters

A college classmate of Barack Obama who wrote a column asserting “The Obama Scandal is at Columbia” says he received a call from a reporter who claims to have “absolute proof” Obama became an Indonesian citizen.

WND has reported since 2008 that an Indonesian school record shows Obama attended school in the Asian nation registered as an Indonesian citizen and as a Muslim.

Wayne Allyn Root, in an interview with fill-in host Joe Pagliarulo on the “Glenn Beck Program,” said he received a phone call at 4 a.m. this morning from an investigative reporter with Breitbart.com probing Obama’s past in Indonesia.

The reporter, according to Root, a former Libertarian Party vice-presidential nominee, said he has “absolute proof” Obama was adopted by his mother’s new husband and became an Indonesian citizen.

“It’s a fact, it’s not a question,” the reporter told Root. “I’m looking at [the proof] right now.”

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


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1 posted on 08/08/2012 7:10:26 AM PDT by RobinMasters
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To: RobinMasters

This isn’t the same guy who’s been talking to Harry Reid, is it?


2 posted on 08/08/2012 7:12:37 AM PDT by DJ Frisat ((optional, printed after my name on post))
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To: RobinMasters

“I’m looking at [the proof] right now.”

I’m not. Why aren’t we. A journalists leaks a huge story to another journalist, instead of running it himself, referring to iron clad proof-in-hand?

Smell test?


3 posted on 08/08/2012 7:13:15 AM PDT by Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh (I cling to guns and religion.)
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To: RobinMasters

Enough games and hawking books and other deals.

PUT UP OR SHUT UP!


4 posted on 08/08/2012 7:13:41 AM PDT by Obadiah (Insurrection is now an option)
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To: Obadiah

I couldn’t agree more. wnd has milked this thing beyond death and into infinity without ever proving a mumbling thing.


5 posted on 08/08/2012 7:20:19 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: RobinMasters

WND has to knock off this nonsense. They’ve done some good work, but this silliness is out of hand. They need to put-up or shut-up. If they are uncertain, or don’t have a “lock” on a source, they need to sit on it a bit. Not play these games like this and destroy credibility (if they actually have any left now).


6 posted on 08/08/2012 7:20:37 AM PDT by Thorliveshere
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To: MestaMachine

It was a breitbart reporter.


7 posted on 08/08/2012 7:21:29 AM PDT by JohnnyP
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To: Obadiah
PUT UP OR SHUT UP!

Agree. This "we got proof" crap is getting tiresome. Convene a press conference and make it public, or just go away, Wayne, Joe et al.
8 posted on 08/08/2012 7:23:12 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Obadiah

AMEN


9 posted on 08/08/2012 7:24:42 AM PDT by MNDude ( Victimhood is the Holy Grail of liberalism)
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To: RobinMasters

The great mass of venal and stupid people in the USA do not want to be confronted by facts. Media members will be found among both groups.

The venal people wouldn’t care if Obama was Lucifer himself - they want him to complete his objective of changing the USA.

The stupid people do not want to have their fantasies challenged with mere facts.

They have shown the rest of us how good and noble they are by voting for a semi-black man.
They are not ready to accept the fact that they are really morons who were swindled by a fake savior.


10 posted on 08/08/2012 7:26:48 AM PDT by Iron Munro ("Jiggle the Handle for Barry!")
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To: Thorliveshere

Agree. They continue to email and the link often is an old story I’ve seen at least twice.


11 posted on 08/08/2012 7:27:21 AM PDT by Lumper20
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To: RobinMasters

read later


12 posted on 08/08/2012 7:28:05 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: DJ Frisat

The word is out that Obama is a citizen of Indonesia. It is up to him to release ten years of documents to prove he isn’t.


13 posted on 08/08/2012 7:29:37 AM PDT by sima_yi ( Reporting live from the far North)
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To: JohnnyP

Where’s the beef?


14 posted on 08/08/2012 7:31:27 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: RobinMasters

Why isn’t the “proof” posted on Brietbart?


15 posted on 08/08/2012 7:36:12 AM PDT by swamprebel (Where liberty dwells, there is my country.)
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To: RobinMasters
(Sarcasm Alert) It's OK to lie on a school application to gain admission! The Indonesian school, I mean. I'm sure that our president would never lie to gain admission to a US-based university or law school! THAT would be over-the-line!
16 posted on 08/08/2012 7:47:05 AM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: RobinMasters

Would such a move automatically terminate his American citizenship, assuming he was born here? That seems unclear to me.


17 posted on 08/08/2012 7:47:22 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: RobinMasters

These guys claim they have his Kenyan birth certificate. Pics at the link.

http://thepowerhour.com/news4/obama_kenyan_birth_certificate.htm


18 posted on 08/08/2012 7:50:53 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: RobinMasters

Apparently this doesn’t matter. Someone pointed out that, regarding citizenship, a parent can’t surrender his child’s citizenship rights. So, if Obama was a US citizen to start with, his Indonesian citizenship as a minor doesn’t trump his US citizenship. They are his to claim as an adult.

What is really is important is this: Who you are is where you were when...
If you look at Obama’s life, the people he imprinted on and modelled himself after on were NOT Americans. Regardless of his actual citizenship, Obama is not an American in thoughts or beliefs.


19 posted on 08/08/2012 7:56:39 AM PDT by Little Ray (AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Would such a move automatically terminate his American citizenship, assuming he was born here?

From what I understand, no.

Minors don't have a 'legal presence' such as the ability to sign legally binding contracts, etc., so a minor can't legally renounce their citizenship.

After 18, however, it becomes another matter. Any child claiming foreign citizenship AFTER reaching the age of majority is a foreigner in fact.

Which is exactly why, IMHO, O-boy as spent about 4 MILLION to keep his records under lock-and-key.

20 posted on 08/08/2012 7:58:53 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as Created by the Laws of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man)
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To: Obadiah
My problem with this is, SO WHAT if Stanley Ann made her son an Indonesian citizen. As I understand U.S. citizenship law, the only way a U.S. citizen can lose his citizenship is by voluntary renunciation as an adult or some type of rare criminal offense. IOW a citizen's parent is legally unable to renounce that citizen's citizenship, IIRC. Please correct me if I am wrong and give legal citations.
21 posted on 08/08/2012 8:02:13 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: libstripper

According to his published BC, he’s a British subject so US citizenship law doesn’t apply to deciding how/whether/when he switched to Indonesian citizen.


22 posted on 08/08/2012 8:14:14 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: libstripper

Good point, which is why they need to stop making everyone associated with them from looking like foaming idiots.

How about putting together some iron-clad proof of something meaningful, and then stand on your soapbox? Until then, go back to the lab and don’t bother us until you have demonstrable proof of fusion! Until then everything else spoken should be viewed as an effort to game the media system for personal benefit.


23 posted on 08/08/2012 8:21:00 AM PDT by Obadiah (I am Oscar Mike)
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To: RobinMasters
This Wayne Allyn Root thing is completely bogus. Dr. Jerome Corsi, Joseph Farah, WND, Wayne Allyn Root, and anyone who believes this is for real are in a circular firing squad with any hope of throwing Obama out in the middle.

Joseph, just stop now. OK?

I feel the pain. Sheriff Joe has the evidence ... but nowhere to bring it. Joseph Farah is re-running old stuff. Wayne Allyn Root is re-plowing old ground and getting key facts wrong. I thing Obama is paying him. Period.

If not, he ought to be.

24 posted on 08/08/2012 8:22:37 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Do not listen to Conservative Talk Radio ... until they talk to Sheriff Joe.)
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To: WKUHilltopper

That is NOT Obama’s BC, But THIS is.

http://theobamafile.com/_people/lucassmith.htm


25 posted on 08/08/2012 8:40:24 AM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: DJ Frisat
This isn’t the same guy who’s been talking to Harry Reid, is it?

When it comes to mysterious unnamed (imaginary) sources, Corsi could teach Reid a thing or two.

26 posted on 08/08/2012 8:40:46 AM PDT by Tex-Con-Man (T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII 2012 - "Together, I Shall Ride You To Victory")
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To: WKUHilltopper

And then there is this report:

http://beforeitsnews.com/obama-birthplace-controversy/2012/07/breaking-obamas-kenyan-birth-records-discovered-in-british-national-archives-2409268.html


27 posted on 08/08/2012 8:41:36 AM PDT by 353FMG
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To: RobinMasters
End the foreign occupation of the White House!!!

The demonrat party is a criminal enterprise for even supporting the guy.

What's the GOPe's excuse for not even going after him?

Who the hell are these people?? Where are the Americans in American government?

28 posted on 08/08/2012 9:02:39 AM PDT by GBA
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To: RobinMasters

http://www.vkblaw.com/law/renunciation.htm

“Parents cannot renounce United States citizenship on behalf of their children. Before an oath of renunciation will be administered under Section 349(a)(5), persons under the age of eighteen must convince a U.S. diplomatic or consular officer that they fully understand the nature and consequences of the oath of renunciation and are voluntarily seeking to renounce their citizenship. United States common law establishes an arbitrary limit of age FOURTEEN under which a child’s understanding must be established by substantial evidence.” (em)

“....Americans cannot effectively renounce their citizenship by mail, through an agent, or WHILE IN THE UNITED STATES....” (em)

He returned to the U.S. at age 10.


29 posted on 08/08/2012 9:13:04 AM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: RobinMasters

bump for later


30 posted on 08/08/2012 9:16:06 AM PDT by snowrip (Liberal? You are a socialist idiot with no rational argument.)
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To: RobinMasters

WND? Hmmmm... (yawn).


31 posted on 08/08/2012 9:19:39 AM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: faucetman

bump for later


32 posted on 08/08/2012 9:23:04 AM PDT by freebird5850 (Guilty but not prosecuted? Sounds like a liberal to me.)
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To: RobinMasters

For those screaming “give us the proof”, why, it does not matter.

1) It is 100% proof positive his BC is a forgery. Anyone who ever worked in printing in a pre-press operation could spot this forgery in under 30 seconds.

What has that FACT brought us? Nothing! The communists have completed their takeover of journalism, institutions of higher learning, our public schools via communist unionization of teachers and no amount of FACTs will ever make it through the media filter enough to change anything.

2) It is a fact, 100% proof positive that obama and his American hating wife were forced to surrender their licenses to practice law. Ok, we have that fact and what? NOTHING! for the same reasons stated above the media filter makes the fact worthless.

3) We have all seen with our own eyes, campaign literature from the dark lord’s senate campaign stating his Kenyan birth and that fact gives us what, NOTHING!

What the country needs right now is a handful of McCarthys willing to suffer the Saul Alinsky attacks of the media and to go after all the Marxist communists who have completely taken over the dems and a good portion of the GOP and all of the media and most lawyers and judges.


33 posted on 08/08/2012 9:37:53 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam!)
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To: RobinMasters

Does any one seriously believe that the Supreme Court, Congress or any liberal give a rat’s ass about the U.S. Constitution? So why would the give a damn if Obama is ineligible to be President. They don’t care.


34 posted on 08/08/2012 9:42:12 AM PDT by vortigern
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To: RobinMasters

where does it state he was ONLY indonesian?

this seems another weak claim.

not worth investing political capital on this without real usuful HARD proof.

This is a distraction. Win the supermajority in the senate, fire obama, make mitt pointless. that is the valid obtainable goal.


35 posted on 08/08/2012 9:43:04 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: vortigern

If any of them had given a rat’s rear, obama would have never been on the ballot.
Reality is that he was allowed to assume the Presidency without this issue being resolved. When that happened, I thought OK then, they just set another precident.

clinton was allowed to walk after committing perjury.
That set the precident that a sitting dimrat president can lie under oath and not be held responsible.


36 posted on 08/08/2012 9:53:19 AM PDT by Texas resident (November 6 - Vote Against obama)
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To: Safetgiver

We don’t need to waste anymore time trying to prove who the Foreigner is. He tells us who he is everyday . Every decision is ANTI-AMERICAN. Every appointee is a RADICAL COMMUNIST NUT JOB. His thinking process is the exact opposite of an AMERICAN PATRIOT. In 90 days we will send this AMERICAN IMPOSTER back to whatever country he rose up from and clean out the rest of the communist trash he brought in.


37 posted on 08/08/2012 10:02:50 AM PDT by spawn44 (moo)
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To: RobinMasters

In time, it will be shown that President Hussein was legally ineligible to be President of the United States, per constitutional restrictions.

That, in itself, is amazing.

What is even more amazing, though, is that four years ago no one seemed to give a rat’s *ss.


38 posted on 08/08/2012 10:07:38 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Wurlitzer

“What the country needs right now is a handful of McCarthys willing to suffer the Saul Alinsky attacks of the media and to go after all the Marxist communists who have completely taken over the dems and a good portion of the GOP and all of the media and most lawyers and judges.”

Damn right. Well said.


39 posted on 08/08/2012 11:31:00 AM PDT by wistful
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To: faucetman; All

“....Americans cannot effectively renounce their citizenship by mail, through an agent, or WHILE IN THE UNITED STATES....” (em)

He returned to the U.S. at age 10.
///
true.
and for sake of argument, i’ll concede he IS a US Citizen.
...but, there is clearly a possibility of major fraud here.
even Sheriff Joe was denied official answers.

and, Obama himself said he never had a US Passport before being a senator.
...so what passport did he use to visit Pakistan, while a college student?
and what passport did he use to visit Indonesia?
and, when he went to Indonesia to write his autobiography, he stayed longer than allowed, for a US citizen.
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...certainly you would agree these are legitimate questions?
these, and many other anomalies, and the possibility he went to school as an Indonesian foreign student
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(which would also explain the Connecticutt S.S.N.
and the fake Selective Service form...)
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http://beforeitsnews.com/obama-birthplace-controversy/2012/07/breaking-obamas-kenyan-birth-records-discovered-in-british-national-archives-2409268.html


40 posted on 08/08/2012 11:34:53 AM PDT by Elendur (It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: faucetman
“Parents cannot renounce United States citizenship on behalf of their children. Before an oath of renunciation will be administered under Section 349(a)(5), persons under the age of eighteen must convince a U.S. diplomatic or consular officer that they fully understand the nature and consequences of the oath of renunciation and are voluntarily seeking to renounce their citizenship. United States common law establishes an arbitrary limit of age FOURTEEN under which a child’s understanding must be established by substantial evidence.”

“....Americans cannot effectively renounce their citizenship by mail, through an agent, or WHILE IN THE UNITED STATES....”

He returned to the U.S. at age 10.


Was that in effect at the time he went to Indonesia? The note on the relevant statute says the following about a 1986 amendment to it:
Subsec. 1986—Subsec. (a). Pub. L. 99–653, § 18(a), as amended by Pub. L. 100–525, § 8(m)(1), inserted “voluntarily performing any of the following acts with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality” after “his nationality by”.
(a)(1). Pub. L. 99–653, § 18(b), substituted “or upon an application filed by a duly authorized agent, after having attained the age of eighteen years” for “upon an application filed in his behalf by a parent, guardian, or duly authorized agent, or through the naturalization of a parent having legal custody of such person: Provided That nationality shall not be lost by any person under this section as the result of the naturalization of a parent or parents while such person is under the age of twenty-one years, or as the result of a naturalization obtained on behalf of a person under twenty-one years of age by a parent, guardian, or duly authorized agent, unless such person shall fail to enter the United States to establish a permanent residence prior to his twenty-fifth birthday: And provided further, That a person who shall have lost nationality prior to January 1, 1948, through the naturalization in a foreign state of a parent or parents, may, within one year from the effective date of this chapter, apply for a visa and for admission to the United States as a special immigrant under the provisions of section 1101 (a)(27)(E) of this title”. 8 USC § 1481 - Loss of nationality by native-born or naturalized citizen; voluntary action; burden of proof; presumptions
If everything happened prior to 1986, then his citizenship could have changed with that of his custodial parent when she gave up U.S. citizenship to marry Lolo Soetoro, since Indonesian law forbade the marrying of a foreign citizen, forbade dual citizenships, and forbade the adoption of a non-citizen. Given that Barry's school papers indicate that he was adopted, he would have been exclusively an Indonesian citizen at the time for that to have happened. Then, if he later reacquired U.S. citizenship, it would have been a naturalized citizenship, making him ineligible for POTUS regardless of the circumstances of his birth if he had been born in the United States.
41 posted on 08/08/2012 11:59:51 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: aruanan; faucetman

Barry returned to Indonesia to visit his family.

Zero himself stated that he was in Indonesia in the summer of 1981 immediately prior to traveling to Pakistan.

We don’t know how many other times he traveled to visit his mother and sister in Indonesia.

Making a formal renunciation before a US consular officer is not the only way a person can lose his US citizenship.

There are a number of other ways under the statute to lose US citizenship. Making allegiance to a foreign country, applying on one’s own initiative for naturalization in a foreign state or fighting in the ranks of a hostile foreign army are all actions that automatically cause loss of US citizenship.

If Obama had an Indonesian passport when a child, and periodically renewed it such as during his 1981 trip to Indonesia, then he likely lost his US citizenship by taking such an action as an adult.

This is because Indonesia strictly insisted that no US citizen or citizen of any other country was entitled to hold an Indonesian passport. Obama therefore would have had to deny his allegiance to the US in order to periodically renew or obtain a new passport from Indonesia.

That would have automatically lost him US citizenship, even if no one in the US embassy or elsewhere in the State Department knew about it at the time.


42 posted on 08/08/2012 2:22:25 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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