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What you don't know about David Petraeus
World Net Daily ^ | 8-8-2012 | Chelsea Schilling

Posted on 08/08/2012 7:17:28 PM PDT by CaptainKrunch

The political world is abuzz with speculation about whether Mitt Romney plans to choose CIA Director David Petraeus to be his vice-presidential running mate on the GOP ticket – but Petraeus’ positions on a variety of issues could upset conservatives if he is indeed selected for the slot.

The retired Army four-star general, who has been lionized by many Republicans, led the charge to allow homosexuals to serve openly in the military – more than a year before the Obama administration repealed the armed forces’ “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy.

In March 2010, Petraeus declared “the time has come” for the military to reconsider the rule. In the same month, Petraeus told CNN’s Fareed Zakaria he served with homosexuals in the CIA and didn’t believe troops would have difficulty adjusting to working with openly homosexual service members.

He has expressed support for Obama’s calls for shutting down Guantanamo Bay prison and condemned American use of interrogation strategies such as waterboarding.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism
KEYWORDS: petraeus; vppetraeus

1 posted on 08/08/2012 7:17:28 PM PDT by CaptainKrunch
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2 posted on 08/08/2012 7:21:21 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: CaptainKrunch

3 posted on 08/08/2012 7:21:49 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: CaptainKrunch

Yeh!
At least two guys I know of had this guys # !!!!!

See Col sellin, and Admiral Fallon...

Semper Watching!!!!!
*****


4 posted on 08/08/2012 7:24:11 PM PDT by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
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To: CaptainKrunch

This is exactly what I said on the earlier thread.

Petraeus is NOT a conservative. He would be a lousy VP.


5 posted on 08/08/2012 7:26:59 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: CaptainKrunch

It seems the higher the rank, the redder they get.


6 posted on 08/08/2012 7:36:55 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: CaptainKrunch
I'm not that familiar with Gen. Petraeus's qualifications or negatives, but I will not likely vote for anyone who has embraced the stink of the Obama Regime. Of course, Romney has so many negatives himself, I may have to vote for a write-in. I just can't bring myself to vote for another faux conservative.

Not happy here at Castle Mac Nessa - the world is truly turning upside down and what we held valuable in our youth is now dross and what we despised as evil is now embraced and lionized. Never thought that I would see such days.



Genuflectimus non ad principem sed ad Principem Pacis!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

8 posted on 08/08/2012 7:49:23 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: ConorMacNessa
"Never thought that I would see such days."

Me neither really.  Red blooded patriotic Americans are outnumbered in every sector of society it seems.  Or at least, in the power positions of society.

9 posted on 08/08/2012 7:54:27 PM PDT by CaptainKrunch (Freedom is what's fair.)
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To: Cicero

Even Mitt knows a Rockeyfeller NE Pubbie will not work.


10 posted on 08/08/2012 7:55:10 PM PDT by X-spurt (It is truly time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: ConorMacNessa

BTTT


11 posted on 08/08/2012 7:59:06 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: CaptainKrunch

Petraeus is CFR. Enough said.


12 posted on 08/08/2012 8:02:22 PM PDT by Theoria (Rush Limbaugh: Ron Paul sounds like an Islamic terrorist)
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To: CaptainKrunch

Now how would any informed American not see that the NWO has taken over here & elsewhere in so-called democracies. Like the saying, We are screwed. We are owned by the elites. These elections are nothing but frauds & the sheeple are either ignorant to the fact or lazy. Either way we are screwed.


13 posted on 08/08/2012 8:06:07 PM PDT by Digger (If RINO is your selection then failure is your election)
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To: CaptainKrunch

Why would Romney pic an Obama appointee?
Do we not have other choices?


14 posted on 08/08/2012 8:07:54 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: CaptainKrunch
Petraeus is a Statist’s tool; would fit comfortably on a Romney ticket.

Bush sure knew how to pick and drag up crappy IR “experts”, lol.

15 posted on 08/08/2012 8:18:36 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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To: CaptainKrunch

In four short years he went from commanding the surge, to this.


16 posted on 08/08/2012 8:20:39 PM PDT by Old Sarge (We are now officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet)
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To: Theoria

You could be too for a minimal fee.


17 posted on 08/08/2012 8:37:51 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Obama MUST Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
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To: CaptainKrunch

Gen. Patraous wrote the manual on COIN (counterinsurgency) for the army - the “winning hearts and minds” strategy....it’s working so well (/s).

No thanks.


18 posted on 08/08/2012 8:38:56 PM PDT by Girlene
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To: CaptainKrunch

Petreaus is dirty...

Proof: Obama put him as CIA Chief.. Unless Obama is stupid..
I see no proof of that.. Obama is not a patriot but he is not stupid..


19 posted on 08/08/2012 9:04:59 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: CaptainKrunch
The death toll in the Civil War demonstrates the folly of making generals of politicians; equally, it is folly to assume that a general possesses the skill set necessary to be an effective politician.

General Petraus is by all accounts and from every perspective an exemplary individual and one of our finest generals but we do not seek the same values in our paladins on the political front that we do from our champions in military arts. There is a tendency among conservatives to assume that because a man demonstrates the physical courage necessary to rise to the rank of general he automatically possesses the philosophical mindset of a conservative. Perhaps this is because conservatives traditionally support the military and progressives instinctively oppose it.

The military is a hierarchical organization which functions from the top down but a representative democracy should be a societal organization with power percolating from the bottom up. The military ideally should operate according to the conception of a single mind ultimately responsible for the success or failure of a mission. A representative democracy must operate with some level of consensus and responsibility is inevitably diffuse as is the authority and power to effectuate a policy. Few indeed are the men like Dwight Eisenhower who can function well in both worlds. Ulysses Grant did not function quite so well but George Washington did. My guess is that it would not be liberals alone who would have been unhappy with president George S Patton.

The qualities of character which lead to success on the battlefield or even in the infighting common within the military hierarchy are not the same qualities that make for a successful politician. Dwight Eisenhower is a shining example of an individual who was successful in both fields but if one looks at his career as a general one will see that he was primarily a "political" general who acted both as intermediary, buffer, conciliator, disciplinarian and judge of competing personalities and agendas rather than a traditional field general moving units across the map.

It would be an interesting exercise to compare Eisenhower's method of governing for eight years as president of the United States with Douglas MacArthur's far more authoritarian method of governing Japan in the postwar years while relating those differences to their different styles of generalship.

The reflexive yearning for the man on horseback is a virus lurking in the spinal cord of every human requiring only the proper stimuli to activate it and bring it forth. One would expect liberals to succumb to the temptation because they are always whoring after the man rather than the principle, they are always anointing the next Messiah, but they are shielded from the temptation to invest virtue into a uniform by their reflexive animus toward the military. This is especially marked in an era in which the United States military is the organization literally in the front lines defending the whole world against the onrush of socialist utopia and its opportunistic bedfellow, Islamism.

It is a human tendency to look to the man rather than the principle. We argue on these threads all the time by reference to authority and we attempt to disparage others' points by calling them Rinos or associating their views or the source of their views with progressivism. Similarly, we tend reflexively to accept an argument if we think it is coming from a conservative icon. This is a very dangerous tendency which leads to error and ultimate political defeat.

For every Allen West we will probably encounter a Colin Powell. Uniforms, no more than clothes, do not make the man. Emphatically, race does not make the man. A successful military career tells us the man has personal courage both physical and moral, and an ability to penetrate the fog of war but it does not tell us that he possesses the skills necessary to articulate a conservative philosophy, energize electorate, win the election, and govern with consistent conservative principles. It tells us he is a man of high quality who is worth a respectful look.


20 posted on 08/08/2012 9:16:58 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: Digger

Watch out the rombots will be all over you for slagging off the guy because he is the nominee or the supposed one anyway.


21 posted on 08/08/2012 9:35:21 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: CaptainKrunch

Looks like Drudge is putting Pawlenty on the short list with Petreus.

Just what I would expect from the candidate Obama himself and his media stooges chose to be our nominee and thus give us the illusion of choice this November.


22 posted on 08/08/2012 10:58:53 PM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: nathanbedford

One need look no farther than which president gave a general his star. I suspect Petraeus got his from BJ. No Dem president is going to promote to general any Col. with a whiff of conservative about him. That is why he is (Ret.) COL. Allan West. He would have never made general. NoDem would allow it and no Rep. would endorse it. The Good Old Boys in the GOP in DC will do everything they can to keep folks like West and Palin out.


23 posted on 08/09/2012 3:01:22 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: ConorMacNessa
Of course, Romney has so many negatives himself, I may have to vote for a write-in.

Feelin' suicidal?

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24 posted on 08/09/2012 5:04:41 AM PDT by JCG
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To: CaptainKrunch
The political world is abuzz with speculation about whether Mitt Romney plans to choose CIA Director David Petraeus to be his vice-presidential running mate on the GOP ticket – but Petraeus’ positions on a variety of issues could upset conservatives if he is indeed selected for the slot.

Wesley Clark v2.0?

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25 posted on 08/09/2012 5:10:37 AM PDT by JCG
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To: JCG
Inasmuch as I live in the People's Republic of Maryland, it doesn't make a hell of a lot of difference who I vote for. Romney is not a satisfactory candidate and but for the fact that the incumbent is a Marxist maggot I would not even consider voting for him. 



Genuflectimus non ad principem sed ad Principem Pacis!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

26 posted on 08/09/2012 5:24:33 AM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: rollo tomasi
Petraeus is a Statist’s tool; would fit comfortably on a Romney ticket.

I respectfully disagree. As VP, Petraeus' stature would diminish Romney's. Let's face it, Biden plays his role perfectly by making Obama look good by comparison.

27 posted on 08/09/2012 5:47:13 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (The Tea Party was the earthquake, and Chick Fil A the tsunami...100's of aftershocks to come.)
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To: ConorMacNessa
You have a point. And you definitely have my sympathy.

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28 posted on 08/09/2012 5:51:11 AM PDT by JCG
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