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A Harsh Anti-Romney Ad Sparks Criticism (New! Soptic Chose Not to Insure Wife at Post-Steel Job)
The Wall Street Journal ^ | Wednesday, August 8, 2012 | Peter Nicholas and Colleen McCain Nelson

Posted on 08/08/2012 8:30:42 PM PDT by kristinn

...played a role in the death of Ilyona Soptic at age 55.

The ad features Joe Soptic, 62, of Missouri, who lost his job when GST Steel of Kansas City—owned by Bain and other investors for eight years—was closed. As melancholy music plays, Mr. Soptic says that when the plant closed, he and his family lost their health-care coverage and "a short time after that, my wife became ill." Her illness was diagnosed five years later. "I don't think Mitt Romney understands what he's done to people's lives by closing the plant," Mr. Soptic says in the ad.

The steel plant was purchased in 1993 and closed in 2001. Mr. Romney departed Bain in 1999 and had no role in the decision to close the plant, his campaign said.

In an interview, Mr. Soptic said he thought the ad was fair. But he also said of Mr. Romney: "I'm not blaming him for her death. I wouldn't do that."

Mr. Soptic said that his wife was receiving health insurance through her employer at the time he lost his job at GST Steel, though she later suffered an injury, left her job and lost her insurance coverage. He could not say precisely when this occurred.

Mr. Soptic said that after he lost his job, he found work as a school custodian about six months later and had the option to put her on his insurance plan. But he opted not to, he said, because he could not afford the more than $350 monthly premium on the $25,000 salary he was making, on top of paying his mortgage and a daughter's college tuition. Ilyona Soptic was diagnosed with cancer in 2006 and died that year.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: agitprop; civility; demlies; joesoptic; mediawingofthednc; obama; obamalies; obamattacks; partisanmediashills; prioritiesusa; romneyattacks; soptic
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Now Soptic says Romney didn't kill his wife, he had the chance to insure his wife but had other priorities and well, what was the point of the ad? Oh yeah, kill Romney's reputation.
1 posted on 08/08/2012 8:30:59 PM PDT by kristinn
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To: kristinn

Ouch, babe...


2 posted on 08/08/2012 8:33:41 PM PDT by ez (When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.)
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To: kristinn

This lying fool chose to pay for his daughter’s college tuition rather than his wife’s insurance. As though the daughter could not have attended Junior college or gone part time and worked.


3 posted on 08/08/2012 8:34:03 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Obama MUST Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
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To: kristinn

Obama’s lying is truly evil. This man’s comfort with lying is telling.


4 posted on 08/08/2012 8:35:08 PM PDT by winner3000 (ss)
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To: kristinn

No wonder this guy does not want to talk about it anymore. He is getting creamed as the facts surface. Heck he would be getting a fine under Obamacare for not buying health insurance.


5 posted on 08/08/2012 8:36:25 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: kristinn

Wonder what this dirtbag’s car payment was. Talk about pissing on your wife’s grave.

Pray for America


6 posted on 08/08/2012 8:38:20 PM PDT by bray (If you vote for a Communist, what's that make you?)
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To: Parley Baer

Nobody ever said liberals were very smart.


7 posted on 08/08/2012 8:38:45 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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8 posted on 08/08/2012 8:40:53 PM PDT by narses
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To: kristinn
"Mr. Soptic said that his wife was receiving health insurance through her employer at the time he lost his job at GST Steel, though she later suffered an injury, left her job and lost her insurance coverage. He could not say precisely when this occurred."

This guy can remember his $25,000 salary amount, and the $350 a month cost of his health insurance from 10 years ago, but he can't remember when his wife was injured on the job? Especially an injury that led to her leaving her job? That's BS.

9 posted on 08/08/2012 8:44:45 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: kristinn

Soptic admits Bain Capital offered him a buyout...

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/08/omg-joe-soptic-the-anti-romney-cancer-ad-steelworker-admits-bain-capital-offered-him-a-buyout-video/


10 posted on 08/08/2012 8:44:45 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: kristinn

I’m thinkin’ maybe through wrong priorities that Soptic himself “killed his wife”.

At any rate, he’s scum, putting an Obama2012 bumper sticker on his wife’s gravesite (hypothetically speaking).


11 posted on 08/08/2012 8:45:02 PM PDT by KStorm (Just a normal guy, tryin' to catch a train.)
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To: kristinn

Funny, ain’t it? The lst Joe was a plumber, and through him, we knew obama for exactly what he was. Now here is joe number 2, (pun intended,) showing us obama was even worse than we thought...if that’s possible.
The moral of the story is that it takes a plumber to get rid of unwanted number 2.


12 posted on 08/08/2012 8:45:59 PM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: kristinn

If you buy an American company you owe the employees and their families health insurance for life.


13 posted on 08/08/2012 8:47:17 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: arrogantsob

KC has some great junior colleges which are relatively inexpensive. Apparently he felt his daughter was more important than his wife. Bad choice IMO. And people wonder why some young adults expect everything to be handed to them.


14 posted on 08/08/2012 8:50:40 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: KStorm

Probably not hypothetical at all.


15 posted on 08/08/2012 8:53:03 PM PDT by Toespi
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To: Toespi

My mom said today unprovoked

The PResident is a liar.

That’s how bad Obama has gotten.What goes around comes around.


16 posted on 08/08/2012 8:54:56 PM PDT by preamble
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To: kristinn

So he killed his own wife. Romney had nothing to do with it.

I’ve been laid off three times. You readjust priorities and budgets to get through. For a responsible person (obviously not a Democrat), you purchase COBRA insurance to tide you over and make sure you and your family are protected against catastrophe.

He’s a moron who gambled with the lives of his wife and family. I’m very sorry he lost his wife to cancer, but foregoing catastrophic health coverage is not a wise life decision.


17 posted on 08/08/2012 9:00:13 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: kristinn

What kind of scum would participate with the DNC in doing this kind of ad? Oh, I know. A typical Democrat. They really are sick.


18 posted on 08/08/2012 9:04:53 PM PDT by doug from upland (Just in case, it has been reserved: www.TheBitchIsBack2012.com)
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To: kristinn

The more I read, the more it sounds like this man is just desperate to blame someone for the consequences of his own decisions. Possibly he is desperately needy for attention, too.

The really sad part is that Zippy’s campaign is so pathetic that they are willing to exploit this, regardless of the facts.


19 posted on 08/08/2012 9:10:28 PM PDT by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: kristinn

Hard to tell the bigger dirtbag. Septic or his Kenyan idol.


20 posted on 08/08/2012 9:18:05 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Parley Baer

Hey your answer should be a GOOD CAMPAIGN FOR ROMney to hammer about the fine under Obamacare! Hello, any ROMNEY people paying attention - this stuff is just too easy not to use in the campaign...


21 posted on 08/08/2012 9:22:57 PM PDT by princess leah
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To: Parley Baer

Hey your answer should be a GOOD CAMPAIGN FOR ROMney to hammer about the fine under Obamacare! Hello, any ROMNEY people paying attention - this stuff is just too easy not to use in the campaign...


22 posted on 08/08/2012 9:23:11 PM PDT by princess leah
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

“I’m very sorry he lost his wife to cancer”

But we don’t even know if she had been insured it would have prevented the cancer.

In the ad he says that she “probably” didn’t tell him that she was sick because she didn’t have insurance. But, we don’t know that. Cancer can come with no warning.

This is just trumped up lying.


23 posted on 08/08/2012 9:25:11 PM PDT by garjog
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Even beyond that...by the time she had symptoms and was taken to the hospital and it was discovered what it was, no amount of insurance would have made a difference.

It was a factually false ad in many ways - he said she got sick “a short time later” but didn’t want to go to the doctor because they knew they didn’t have insurance...now we know she had insurance for some time afterward so a “short time” could not have been correct, yet that’s what he said. It was discovered 7 years after Romney left Bain - there is no way he had any responsibility. The plant also would have shut down sooner but for Bain - years sooner. So he would have been better off if Bain had not bought the plant and it shut down years before and he still lost the insurance? Any way you slice it - there is nothing true about the ad, other than he tragically lost his wife. I really can’t understand why someone would use this for a partisian political attack like this.


24 posted on 08/08/2012 9:25:38 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: kristinn
"But he opted not to, he said, because he could not afford the more than $350 monthly premium on the $25,000 salary he was making, "

But he's looking forward to ObamaScare, where the fines will be $325 a month per person, but will STILL not provide him with insurance. Some people are just born extra stupid.

25 posted on 08/08/2012 9:27:17 PM PDT by cookcounty (Kagan and Sotomayor side with Joe Wilson: -------Obama DID lie!)
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To: kristinn

Besides the ad being false and despicable, there is something else to note. Within 24 hours, it’s been torn to shreds. How incompetent are Obama’s people that they ran the ad in the first place? Or are they so arrogant that they think this will fly?


26 posted on 08/08/2012 9:32:31 PM PDT by Tymesup
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To: Tymesup
Besides the ad being false and despicable, there is something else to note. Within 24 hours, it’s been torn to shreds. How incompetent are Obama’s people that they ran the ad in the first place? Or are they so arrogant that they think this will fly?

The answer is YES!

27 posted on 08/08/2012 9:37:17 PM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: Grams A

If I was his daughter, I would not have accepted tuition money if it meant my mom went without insurance!


28 posted on 08/08/2012 9:39:28 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: preamble
The PResident is a liar.

A couple of years ago, I was in a Catholic bookstore. When I went up to the cashier, there were three older ladies talking. I joined the conversation and, when I mentioned Obama, all four of us said simultaneously, "He lies!"

I had never seen something like that happen.

Maybe people are figuring it out.

29 posted on 08/08/2012 9:51:21 PM PDT by Steve1789 (Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power. -A.L.)
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To: MacMattico
If I was his daughter, I would not have accepted tuition money if it meant my mom went without insurance!

Definitely not. It sounds like no one in the family cared what happened to her. There is a lot more to this story. I'll look for it on NBC. /s

30 posted on 08/08/2012 10:00:28 PM PDT by Steve1789 (Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power. -A.L.)
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To: kristinn

Just imagine how many guys are going to lose their wives after losing their jobs at Solyndra! This is going to get ugly and it’s going to be Barry the Kenyan Guy’s fault. Axelrod and David the Poof too!


31 posted on 08/08/2012 10:04:38 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (The NRA did not create James "The Joker" Holmes. Harvey Weinstein's Hollywood did.)
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To: kristinn
But he also said of Mr. Romney: "I'm not blaming him for her death. I wouldn't do that."

I'm sure the "news" media will skip this little nugget as "inconvenient" .

32 posted on 08/08/2012 10:08:41 PM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: Last Dakotan
yes..and if u advertised for help and got 20 applications and only hired 10....the other 10 can sue for lost wages for the rest of their life!....it only seems fair to me!..../s
33 posted on 08/08/2012 10:09:08 PM PDT by M-cubed
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To: FlingWingFlyer
YESSS!....Solyndra Wives United!...

Sounds like an easy scam to me...

34 posted on 08/08/2012 10:17:23 PM PDT by M-cubed
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To: kristinn
Face up to it folks; Sandra Fluke is speaking at some democrap assembly tonight (8/8) despite having been outed as a liar and political operative.

Meanwhile, Mr. Septic (progressive ghoul) is working his second bogus anti-Romney rant.

Both are likely to resurface again and again between now and November.

It does not matter one bit that they are both proved to be liars...the great lie has been told, repeated, and will be accepted as gospel by the believers and some number of hopeful "undecideds".

Lies work.

35 posted on 08/08/2012 10:19:37 PM PDT by norton
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To: FlingWingFlyer
YESSS!....Solyndra Wives United!...

Sounds like an easy scam to me...

36 posted on 08/08/2012 10:19:53 PM PDT by M-cubed
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To: kristinn; Zakeet; Alas Babylon!; blam; Son House; Perdogg; stephenjohnbanker; M. Espinola; ...
And then there is this . . .

Filmmaker Reveals 'Deeply Disturbing' Obama Background

Excerpt:

* * * [His] evidence suggests that Obama’s biological father was Frank Marshall Davis, a Communist Party USA propagandist, and who has prevailing influence over White House actions even today. * * *

No surprises here. Something reeks in the White House

37 posted on 08/08/2012 10:21:23 PM PDT by ex-Texan (The Time to "Wake Up" is Over !)
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To: kristinn

Yuh gambled and lost


38 posted on 08/08/2012 10:58:46 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Republican Wildcat

Desperation. They don’t have anyone better to put in front of the cameras, and they are just throwing ideas at the wall in the hopes that something, anything will stick.


39 posted on 08/08/2012 11:05:28 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: kristinn; All
You forgot CNN reported his wife already had insurance through her job as well.

This is the most outrageous, fatuous, despicable piece of political advertising imaginable.

We know who is really waging the war on women: Obama & his allies. They can't help but LIE and exploit.

40 posted on 08/08/2012 11:07:25 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Spread the word: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2915810/posts)
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To: arrogantsob
The wife had insurance through her own job.

This entire case is a sick fraud.

41 posted on 08/08/2012 11:10:39 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Spread the word: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2915810/posts)
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To: smoothsailing

Wow, it keeps getting worse for Sopitc, his house of lies and the Obama campaign.


42 posted on 08/08/2012 11:13:33 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Spread the word: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2915810/posts)
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To: kristinn

Wow! Who would have thunk it, a Democrat lying? What’s next?


43 posted on 08/08/2012 11:43:50 PM PDT by pallis
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Everyone get hyper the minute you mention COBRA, but it’s the real cost of health care if your employer is left out of the scheme. For the most part, it’s a decent plan....just pricey. For anyone who is about to be laid off...I would strongly advise you to sign up for COBRA, and use it if necessary.


44 posted on 08/08/2012 11:58:19 PM PDT by pepsionice
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To: kristinn; StarFan; Dutchy; alisasny; BobFromNJ; BUNNY2003; Cacique; Clemenza; Coleus; cyborg; ...
...Mr. Soptic said that after he lost his job, he found work as a school custodian about six months later and had the option to put her on his insurance plan. But he opted not to, he said, because he could not afford the more than $350 monthly premium on the $25,000 salary he was making, on top of paying his mortgage and a daughter's college tuition. Ilyona Soptic was diagnosed with cancer in 2006 and died that year...

Now Soptic says Romney didn't kill his wife, he had the chance to insure his wife but had other priorities and well, what was the point of the ad? Oh yeah, kill Romney's reputation.

Wow... great work on this, kristinn.

FReepers: Drop whatever you're doing and check this out! (Full info at top of thread)

45 posted on 08/08/2012 11:59:53 PM PDT by nutmeg (I'm with Sarah Palin and Ted Cruz: Anybody But Obama 2012)
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To: kristinn

Smells another contrived “controversy”, to push support for Extortion-Care. Wouldn’t even be surprised if the Hillary-Romney group even put it out there on purpose, right out of the movie theme “Oscar”, in attempt to garner sympathy in attempt to normalize Extortion-Care.


46 posted on 08/09/2012 12:18:40 AM PDT by Varsity Flight (Extortion-Care is the Government Work-Camp: Arbeitsziehungslager)
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To: kristinn

Thank god that all the laid off GM dealers and US coal workers are healthy.


47 posted on 08/09/2012 12:52:50 AM PDT by JIM O
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To: kristinn

I’m no lawyer but this ad is so dirty it may actually cross the line in libelous. The makers of the ad knew it to be untrue (or certainly should have) and it seems to have been maliciously used to sully Mr. Romney.


48 posted on 08/09/2012 1:08:20 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: ex-Texan; All

Filmmaker Reveals 'Deeply Disturbing' Obama Background

49 posted on 08/09/2012 1:15:40 AM PDT by Zakeet (Liberalism - Ideas so good that you have to be forced to accept them)
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To: kristinn; All
Obama Super PAC Chief Bill Burton: “What Fact In That (Cancer) Ad Is Wrong? Wolf Blitzer: You’re Joking, Right?…

From this:

BLITZER: It’s inaccurate, it’s not responsible, it’s misleading–you’re still going to go ahead and play it.

BURTON: Well, Wolf, just like we just talked about: What this ad does is tell the story of one guy and the impact that Mitt Romney had on him.

BLITZER: It’s misleading to tell–

BURTON: Well, this is your opinion. But, but–

BLITZER: Most independent fact-checkers, and we’re independent–

BURTON: What fact in that ad is wrong?

BLITZER: The impression that you get that he killed her.

BURTON: So you’re saying that that’s an impression.

BLITZER: Anyone who watches that 60-second ad comes away and says, “Mitt Romney’s responsible, at least indirectly, for this lovely woman’s death.”

BURTON: I just don’t think that’s true. And we would never make that case. The point of the ad–

BOLDUAN: Well then, the ad fails, because that’s the message you take away from it, Bill. Whatever message was intended in this commercial is not–nobody hears.

BURTON: It’s clearly lost on some folks, make no mistake about that. But the truth is, is that what this ad is about, is what Mitt Romney wants his campaign to be about.

A video of the exchange is in the linked source.
50 posted on 08/09/2012 1:36:14 AM PDT by Zakeet (Liberalism - Ideas so good that you have to be forced to accept them)
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