Skip to comments.A Harsh Anti-Romney Ad Sparks Criticism (New! Soptic Chose Not to Insure Wife at Post-Steel Job)
Posted on 08/08/2012 8:30:42 PM PDT by kristinn
...played a role in the death of Ilyona Soptic at age 55.
The ad features Joe Soptic, 62, of Missouri, who lost his job when GST Steel of Kansas Cityowned by Bain and other investors for eight yearswas closed. As melancholy music plays, Mr. Soptic says that when the plant closed, he and his family lost their health-care coverage and "a short time after that, my wife became ill." Her illness was diagnosed five years later. "I don't think Mitt Romney understands what he's done to people's lives by closing the plant," Mr. Soptic says in the ad.
The steel plant was purchased in 1993 and closed in 2001. Mr. Romney departed Bain in 1999 and had no role in the decision to close the plant, his campaign said.
In an interview, Mr. Soptic said he thought the ad was fair. But he also said of Mr. Romney: "I'm not blaming him for her death. I wouldn't do that."
Mr. Soptic said that his wife was receiving health insurance through her employer at the time he lost his job at GST Steel, though she later suffered an injury, left her job and lost her insurance coverage. He could not say precisely when this occurred.
Mr. Soptic said that after he lost his job, he found work as a school custodian about six months later and had the option to put her on his insurance plan. But he opted not to, he said, because he could not afford the more than $350 monthly premium on the $25,000 salary he was making, on top of paying his mortgage and a daughter's college tuition. Ilyona Soptic was diagnosed with cancer in 2006 and died that year.
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“As though the daughter could not have attended Junior college or gone part time and worked.”
Or, heaven forbid, taken out a loan. The average college grad earns $1.3 million more in lifetime earnings than a high school grad. http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/moneymatters/a/edandearnings.htm In families with limited resources, there’s no good reason for kids not to be self-financing their own higher education costs. And if she planned to work a career that wouldn’t confer her an income advantage over simply graduating from HS, she has no business squandering scarce resources on college in the first place. College is an INVESTMENT, not an entitlement to 4 years of goofing off.
((((((and a daughter’s college tuition))))))
So why the hell didnt you let kiddo in on some bad news?
Unless you have pre-existing conditions that require immediate ongoing attention COBRA is not your best option after being laid off of a job. Strapped with bills and dwindling savings, you are much better off buying a catastrophic hospitalization type policy and paying cash for regular health check ups or going to economy clinics. The cost of the COBRA insurance will quickly drain your resources, which you need to pay for your housing, utilities, groceries and other basics.
COBRA is meant to be a short term solution when you lose a job. It’s funny, whenever I see a conversation about COBRA, the narrative is the same, it will drain all of your resources........because in this country, it seems nobody EVER thinks, hey, I better find another job!
Right. I and many worked our way through college. No loans, no parents. The guy probably also did not want to forego the country club membership. Cable TV, magazine subscriptions. The dog groomer. on and on.
But what does Mitt campaign say? “The wife would not have died if they lived in Massachusetts.” OMG!
In an interview, Mr. Soptic said he thought the ad was fair. But he also said of Mr. Romney: “I’m not blaming him for her death. I wouldn’t do that.”
Well, isn’t that just peachy. The damage has already been done.
What kind of scum would participate with the DNC in doing this kind of ad?
Someone who is being paid a lot of money to do it.
Can you imagine what his daughter thinks now of her college education?
The danger in all of this is that the focus is going to become Soptic. Yeah, he’s a POS, but not THE POS. That title goes to Obama, and we are starting to lose focus on that.
I don’t know...are we?
A party that would put out such an ad, wow...just wow.
The party needs to be taken down and revealed for the snake oil salesman they are.
Insurance for a college-age student could be bought for very few dollars directly from the university. So the guy is misleading us that by telling us that was one of his main excuses.
I wonder how the daughter feels, knowing one of the reasons her mother died was her dad was paying for her college tuition and not buying her mom the health insurance she needed? Way to go dad!
How incompetent are Obamas people that they ran the ad in the first place? Or are they so arrogant that they think this will fly?
Both! And the total disconnect from reality of Obama’s ‘team’ is what really makes me feel terror! I believe that the same level of “competence” has been happening in every office in the White House.
My brother became disabled and is unable to work. The government gives him his health insurance through Medicaid. It would seems this woman could have gotten this insurance?
Hammer meets nail.
Thanks to Harry Reid and Joe Soptic, the news cycle for the past week has bypassed the failure known as the Obama Economy.
It's going to be like this until November.
Yeah, but it won't be Barry's fault because evil Rethuglicans intentionally refused to purchase their wonderful green energy solar products as part of a dastardly plot to obstruct Barry's wonderful "transformation" of American, thus making the company go bankrupt and thereby killing their beautiful wives.
You clearly need lessons on how to discern evil Rethuglican ways.
I heard yesterday on some commentary on the radio that guy Soptic is the same person talking in an Obama ad before, so, the connection between his excellency’s campaign and the super pac is set in stone right there.
You are on to something but unfortunately by the time that all gets sorted out, all the campaign will have to do is pay some kind of fine. Frankly, when such a prima facia case is brought, there should be something in the law that removes all political ads from the air for a specific period, from both campaign and PAC, say ten days and the requirement they then run a week of apologies for violating the spirit of the law and fairness in elections. Ever happen, well, no never.
It was 0 who pulled the last resort breast cancer drug off the market....to expensive to use.
But Myth’s stupid answer ‘if she’d lived in Mass, she’d of had ROMNEYCARE’ shows you how far his socialized medicine thoughts go, there will be NO REPEAL of 0’care of which Myth is the godfather if he is elected.
Some cancer’s are caught to late and no amount of chemo will help. No amount of medical treatment will help cure it. You can only treat the pain and side effects.
Just lost the youngest of my last 2 living aunts to it last month, and she had the best cancer treatment insurance can buy.
Even with all the advances in treatment and such, cancer can become so invasive it cannot be stopped.
We all make choices and we all have to live with the consequences. The difference is that many of us don’t choose to blame others.
What was wrong with the kid not getting a job to pay for college?
I will not be voting for Myth as he does not meet Bible, Constitutional standards or have the Conservative record to support my vote.
But to lay this on him is stupid. Cancer is no respecter of persons or age. It also depends on what type it is. Some are incurable. Some are caught to late. Some times the chemo weakens the body so much a secondary infection kills the person, not the cancer.
“But he opted not to, he said, because he could not afford the more than $350 monthly premium on the $25,000 salary he was making, on top of paying his mortgage and a daughter’s college tuition.”
This tells me that he lost his job in his 50’s and had not done a lick of financial planning his entire life. He still had a mortgage, chose not to invest (plan ahead) for his daughter’s educational needs and had no emergency fund!
To be more plain, he is average in America and that means he is a loser. As a result he is advocating that the Federal Government continue to make policies that cater to the lowest common denomonitor of our society, lowering the bar further.
This guy deserves a public flogging!
liberals always overplay their hand, CFA, was yet again another incident where they overplayed, occupy was another.
The far left cannot use facts and think with brains.
All the lefts thinking is about emotion never facts.
“If I was his daughter, I would not have accepted tuition money if it meant my mom went without insurance!”
He probably didn’t even tell his daughter. His own statements tell us that he was not paying any attention to his own finances, so he wasn’t even smart enough to let his daughter know!
He is a loser and a moron who deserves a public flogging to be broadcast 24/7!
A wealthy friend of mine this very year saw his wife diagnosed with cancer on Friday and she died the following Wednesday. Symptoms: not many, just some coughing for a few days before seeing a doctor. In reality, she was totally eat up with cancer...no amount of anything could have made a difference in her case.
This is all a pile of bovine excrement trying to dump on a political candidate for things he had no connection to...
Usually, you have the option to buy insurance each year. Even if he turned down the insurance for his wife the first few years, he could have purchased it after she lost her insurance.
Wow, Soptic kills his wife and then has the nerve to blame his poor daughter who is just trying to get a college education.
Thanks to Harry Reid and Joe Soptic, the news cycle for the past week has bypassed the failure known as the Obama Economy.
It’s going to be like this until November.
Yup. Romney will be on the defensive all the way to the election. And it’s only August. I imagine ads and accusations will be made against him that will make this ad look tame. It’s the Chicago way, and nobody knows or plays it better than King Barack.
The lst Joe was a plumber, and through him, we knew obama for exactly what he was.
He still was elected. We need something than Joe the Plumber I and II.
The problem with COBRA is you are required to purchase the exact same policy that your employer provided, which is expensive as ****.
COBRA needs to be changed in these ways:
1) It needs an option to purchase a lower levels of coverage (from full to catastrophic and anything in between that is normally offered by the insurance company).
2) The one year limit on COBRA needs to be lifted. People with pre-existing conditions have problems obtaining new insurance after they leave a job. I continue making insurance payments, why shouldn’t I be able to keep the policy going forever?
3) I should be able to take the policy with me to my new job. If I like the COBRA policy, why shouldn’t I be able to keep it on my new job? I could state to my new employer that my current insurance is $x per month, and we can negotiate a n agreement about how much they will pay and how much I will pay.
4) All medical insurance costs (whether paid by the employer or employee or an individual) should be tax deductible (right now it’s only deductible for the employer).
Speaking of libel, that is why AFTER dingy harry made his malicious accusation against romney through huffpo, he went to the well of the senate to do it ‘on the record’ to cover his butt from a libel suit. But it is too little too late. He talked to huffpo first.
Not purchasing insurance so they could pay for their daughter’s college was probably a co-decision by both parents.
My guess is they didn’t tell the daughter they were going without insurance to pay for her college.
I don’t think he thought through the impact doing this ad would have on his daughter. Odds are, he feels guilty about not purchasing the insurance for his wife and is looking for someone (anyone) else to blame to assuage his feelings of guilt.
No way is he doing commercial, professional political ads for nothing.
Even Rush told us many times the restrictions he had to endure and the rules he had to conform with while airing his show from within his NYC broadcasting building and studio. Union thugs extract big dollar$ from the entertainment and advertising industries. This includes mandating scale wages for those amateur and pro actors doing scripted acting in televised commercials.
Yes, him doing the ad is telling his daughter that because of our decision to pay for your college education, that is one of reasons we had to forgo health insurance for your mom, who later died because she had no health insurance.
Hard to imagine what the daughter is thinking as of now, but my guess is it not good. Especially if this the first she heard about this?
And I am sure the daughter is also embarrassed her dad mentioned her in as an example to forgo health insurance, for her mom that may have saved her mom’s life, or at least extended it a few years.
This ad opened a can of worms that the dad probably wished never were opened!
Just damn Kristinn
I didn’t realize this guy was BIG JERK
Maybe the daughter feel like she entitled for tutition money or finanical aid
I know lots of young people who feel that life owe them something
Soptic in Obama ad
Soptic in PAC ad
Hey, the guy is broke. He only owns one shirt!
A little background. Soptic appeared in an Obama for America ad last Spring, which was produced by the Obama campaign. He also appeared, wearing the same shirt, in the recent a Priorities USA PAC produced ad, wearing the same shirt, which suggests both ads may have been shot on the same day. But there cannot, by law, be coordination between Obama for America and Priorities USA...
However, if that is not in the cards, I know that you will be working hard to elect Constitutional Conservatives down the ticket.
Thanks for the ping.
My family had seven sons and I was the oldest so there was no money from my mom and dad who were doing all they could to keep their heads above water. They certainly could not pay anything toward the Big money school I had been admitted to.
So I worked just about every kind of job there was, took out loans and got some scholarship money; went to junior colleges and took off plenty of time to chase girls and have a good time. Eventually I caught one and realized that I had to get serious if I wanted to keep her or one like her. So I got a couple of degrees, lost the girl and caught another at least as appealing, married her and lived happily ever after. More or less.
From this citation of the add, there are three "facts" from the add that are very wrong Bill.
As melancholy music plays, Mr. Soptic says that when the plant closed, he and his family lost their health-care coverage and "a short time after that, my wife became ill." Her illness was diagnosed five years later. "I don't think Mitt Romney understands what he's done to people's lives by closing the plant," Mr. Soptic says in the ad.1. He and his family did NOT lose their insurance. His wife was still covered by her employer's policy. While HIS insurance was lost, he had two options for continued coverage for himself - obtain COBRA coverage, or get added to his wife's employer insurance - so the statement that his family lost their health care coverage when the plant was closed is FALSE.
Good, but I fear most are not catching on; ever our little Republican primary voters seem as lost as a goose in many situations, with some exceptions.
The RATs flush little turds like Soptic all the time. He is just another dupe this Party of Evil uses then disposes with, expelling these little POS when they are done using them.
She is likely a brain-dead Leftist as well as her dad.