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RUN HIDE FIGHT Surviving an Active Shooter
Youtube Posted ^ | City of Houston

Posted on 08/09/2012 1:43:05 AM PDT by SMGFan

DHS-funded video gives tips to survive a shooter. http://www.federalnewsradio.com/473/2966001/DHS-funded-video-gives-tips-to-su... After last week's shooting at a movie theater in Aurora, Colo., the city of Houston has released a how-to video on surviving a shooter event. The video was created with funds from the Homeland Security Department.

"I can't imagine the horror and grief. If it is at all possible for any good to come out of it, perhaps it can be letting people know the options to consider if it happens again," said Mayor Annise Parker in a statement.

Entitled "Run, Hide, Fight," the video depicts a fictional shooting incident at an office building.

"It may feel like just another day at the office, but occasionally life feels more like an action movie than reality," says a narrator.

The City of Houston's website offers these tips:

Run if a safe path is available. Always try and escape or evacuate even if others insist on staying. Encourage others to leave with you but don't let the indecision of others slow down your own effort to escape. Once you are out of the line of fire, try to prevent others from walking into the danger zone and call 9-1-1. If you can't get out safely, find a place to hide. When hiding, turn out lights, remember to lock doors and silence your ringer and vibration mode on your cell phone As a last resort, working together or alone, act with aggression, use improvised weapons and fight. Houston's Public Safety Office said it had started working on the video before the theater shooting, reports the ABC station in Houston.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: activeshooter; banglist; dhs; houston; massshooting; mvps; preparedness
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1 posted on 08/09/2012 1:43:15 AM PDT by SMGFan
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To: SMGFan

hope someone in your group is armed. Or your survival chances are slim if the madman is seeking you out.


2 posted on 08/09/2012 1:56:21 AM PDT by SMGFan (SMGfan is not "Sub Machine Gun" fan)
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To: SMGFan

I think I’ll close in on the enemy in an extremely rapid and violent manner instead. For all you know, your exits could be blocked or booby trapped.


3 posted on 08/09/2012 1:59:17 AM PDT by RC one (this space intentionally left blank)
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To: RC one

do we need a video to handle highjackers like Todd Beamer and those on Flight 93?


4 posted on 08/09/2012 2:05:33 AM PDT by SMGFan (SMGfan is not "Sub Machine Gun" fan)
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To: SMGFan

Stupid DHS. Should be titled “Run, Hide, Shoot.”

TC


5 posted on 08/09/2012 2:15:42 AM PDT by Pentagon Leatherneck
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To: SMGFan
"Run if a safe path is available. Always try and escape or evacuate even if others insist on staying. Encourage others to leave with you but don't let the indecision of others slow down your own effort to escape. Once you are out of the line of fire, try to prevent others from walking into the danger zone and call 9-1-1. If you can't get out safely, find a place to hide. When hiding, turn out lights, remember to lock doors and silence your ringer and vibration mode on your cell phone As a last resort, working together or alone, act with aggression, use improvised weapons and fight. Houston's Public Safety Office said it had started working on the video before the theater shooting, reports the ABC station in Houston."

There is actually some good logical stuff here, although, "Always try and escape or evacuate even if others insist on staying. Encourage others to leave with you but don't let the indecision of others slow down your own effort to escape." is a recipe for panic and trampling to death. Oh, and by all means call 911. In the seconds that the gunfire occurs, the police will be there within minutes.

Of course, it doesn't mention anything about citizens having weapons that could actually shoot back at a nutcase. When will these rabbits stop wanting to run and trampling other rabbits and defend themselves? Is everyone in a movie theater, mall, sport event, or other mass gathering simply going to let the bad guys just shoot at random?

And the anti-gun crowd think if they outlawed ALL guns tomorrow, there would be no more guns tomorrow? Really? How could that even happen? There are millions of weapons and billions of ammo and if the USA said no more tomorrow, they would still exist for decades (guns/ammo have long shelf life), not to mention foreign imports. These people have NO common sense.

Arm everybody, including me. I'm, going to start carrying if my SO and I go to a mass gathering. So arrest me and take the gun and I pay the fine. Better that that some nutcase start opening fire on the crowd. Yes, the prick sent smoke bombs into the theater, but I still believe if one person had been armed he may have found a bead of the shooter.

Better to try than not. \

6 posted on 08/09/2012 2:27:21 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: SMGFan
Well, this is decent, but I would amend it slightly:

SHOOT Run Hide Fight

1: Shoot: If you have a firearm with you, a clear line-of-fire, and reasonable expectation that there are no other people behind the assailant, carefully (but quickly) aim and fire your weapon until you are out of ammunition. Aim for the center of mass, unless you suspect or observe the assailant is wearing body armor. In that case, take more careful aim, and deliver your firepower to the head of the assailant.

7 posted on 08/09/2012 2:30:01 AM PDT by Lazamataz (I love the Universe, and it loves me.)
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To: SMGFan

The instructions should read:

1. un-holster your weapon
2. wait for a clear shot
3. shoot the M F
4. until he’s dead
5. if he moves after that, go back to step 3 and repeat
6. call your attorney and tell him your situation
7. be polite to the police when they arrive
8. provide your identity upon request
9. withhold a statement until your attorney is present

Run? Hide? Fight back with something you’ve found around you?

Good grief! Al Gore, is that you?


8 posted on 08/09/2012 2:36:10 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Nope 2012)
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To: Lazamataz

Several shots center of mass regardless. If he’s wearing body armor it’ll still hurt and disorient him for a few seconds. Then go for the head if he’s still standing.


9 posted on 08/09/2012 2:36:22 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: SMGFan
Want a bottom line? Carry and practice; carry and pull it out and shoot: don't carry and become a target. It's really that simple.

If you can get a CCW permit, great. But if you can't, carry anyway. The crazies are getting worse. Would you rather face a weapons charge or watch your loved one or other innocents die?

Personally, I am going to buy a calif legal small arm and now start carrying everywhere. Don't like it ATF? Too bad. I will protect my family. I'm not going to take my wife to a theater, church, mall, and hope that the police finally show up while the scumbag is shooting everyone. I WILL shoot back even with an illegal weapon. Deal with it.

10 posted on 08/09/2012 2:40:44 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: Lazamataz

I STILL say “front sight”...

Read Ayoob. I think the actual sequence, IIRC, is 1)COVER, 2)Concealment, 3) then engage. Clear your mind of everything except front sight. Ayoob wrote that when they studied quite a number of LEO shootings many of the skilled shooters had struck the assailant’s weapon or weapon hand. After interviews they realized that THAT was what the guy was looking at. Like you say, Laz, center mass, front sight.


11 posted on 08/09/2012 2:41:09 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: SMGFan; shibumi

A good friend of mine sent me this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epZod2qyyN4&feature=player_embedded

I had read the story but I hadn’t seen the video until last night. I recommend it.


12 posted on 08/09/2012 2:47:51 AM PDT by Semper Mark (EAT MOR CHIKIN!)
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To: Lazamataz

Unless you have a workplace like mine that is a victim zone. No weapons on premises and they will throw you off staff if you violate policy. Once a doc is thrown off staff at one hospital it is virtually impossible to ever get privileges at another hospital. So we are a victim only zone......and all the potential bad guys know it.

Unfortunately for a lot of us, there are multiple other places people work that have the same policies, including schools and government buildings. All you can do is tell your next of kin to sue the place of employment if something happens to you because of that policy. If I owned a business I would encourage employees to carry.


13 posted on 08/09/2012 3:08:46 AM PDT by Mom MD (T he country needs Obamacare like Nancy Pelosi needs a Halloween mask)
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To: SMGFan

The shooter at the Aurora theater, at least the one they caught (there were two gas masks found), appeared to the layman to be wearing body armor, but it was just a tactical vest - 0 ballistic value.

Shoot center mass, but head shots are always acceptable, even with a helmet. Even with good body armor, the impact will set the shooter down for your kill shot.


14 posted on 08/09/2012 3:09:05 AM PDT by Mormon Cricket
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To: wastoute

Good points, and my thoughts were remiss.


15 posted on 08/09/2012 3:15:02 AM PDT by Lazamataz (I love the Universe, and it loves me.)
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To: Mom MD
I am also working in a disarmament zone. While there are armed guards, there is still the chance that a rogue worker can bring his or her own weapon in order to commit atrocities, and I cannot respond in kind to take them out, since I will be unarmed. We workers can hope for a response from the guards, but that takes time, courage on the part of the respondants, and a little luck.

I am left with few good options. But hey, I'm fatalistic: If God wants me that bad, He can have me!

16 posted on 08/09/2012 3:25:16 AM PDT by Lazamataz (I love the Universe, and it loves me.)
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To: SMGFan

How about, “1. Seek cover. 2. Draw your weapon and fire from concealment.”


17 posted on 08/09/2012 3:34:59 AM PDT by dinodino
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To: SMGFan

We are dealing here with demon possed persons. What is now called “mental illnesses” today is really demonic possesion/oppression.


18 posted on 08/09/2012 4:18:51 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: SMGFan
use improvised weapons and fight

A rational policy toward CC (non-existent in virtually all big corporations) would go a long way toward eliminating workplace shootings. I don't understand the thought processes that go on in the heads of corporate executives. It must be something like this:

"I'm worried about some employee bringing a gun to work and going postal killing a bunch of people. How do I take stepts to prevent this? I KNOW! I'll forbid the legitimate carrying of firearms in the office. Then when someone who is determined to murder a bunch of people, they'll look at the corporate policy and think - gosh I could get fired if I carry a gun to work. I can't kill all those people because of a corporate policy."
That's all I can come up with as to what goes through the minds of the morons who set these policies.
19 posted on 08/09/2012 4:35:45 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: SMGFan
It's impossible to give the correct tactics for every situation. Sometime the best tactic would be to immediately attack with whatever weapon is handy even if it's just those weapons you were born with. Sometimes it's best to seek concealment or better yet cover. Sometimes running away as quickly as possible is the best plan.

Good trainers try to teach the appropriate skills to achieve all of these tactical objectives and then try to teach you when each should be used. Stating that everyones strategy should be to "run, then hide, then fight" is ultimately going to get people killed. On the other hand, having some plan, even if it's tactically unsound, is better than milling around like an idiot sheep waiting to be slaughtered.

20 posted on 08/09/2012 5:15:25 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: SMGFan

21 posted on 08/09/2012 5:20:18 AM PDT by libertarian27 (Check my profile page for the FReeper Online Cookbook 2011)
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To: SMGFan

In a case similar to what happened at Virginia Tech, and no firearms except for the killer, the best defense would have been for students to start throwing things at the killer (including their desks if possible) and rushing him. Easier said than done, since the normal reaction is to flee in situations like that. But in two situations the killer entered a classroom and shot ten or more people. Of course, just one person with a firearm could have prevented a lot of the slaughter. Good thing VT was a gun-free zone. Good for the killer that is.


22 posted on 08/09/2012 5:21:50 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: SMGFan

Why “improvised”?


23 posted on 08/09/2012 5:25:47 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: from occupied ga
I'm worried about some employee bringing a gun to work and going postal killing a bunch of people. How do I take steps to . . .

. . . keep from getting bad press (first priority) and sued (second priority)?

I know, I'll do something that has no practical effect but looks good to the media. I'll ban personal self-defense weapons so that the body count is higher, but I can clearly show that I had done everything I could reasonably be expected to do.

Oh, and I'll make sure that the armed security guards are close to me at all times.


I find no credible evidence that the desire to 'prevent this' is more than lip service. It is a deliberate, ruthless decision to protect the company bottom line even if the body count is higher. After all, anyone at least two layers lower in the organization is an interchangeable unit anyway, and can be easily replaced.
24 posted on 08/09/2012 5:30:27 AM PDT by Phlyer
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To: Phlyer
You're probably right, but there is other evidence that what we normally consider logic is absent at the higher levels of management.

Recently GA had a regional referendum on an additional 1% sales tax (on everything) to pay for Atlanta Mass Transit (52% of the plunder) and some road improvements - no detailed descriptions of what would be done in many cases (48% of the loot). This would have taken $6- $8 BILLION dollars ftom the private sector and placed it in the government sector. Our CEO (fortune 500 company) was an avid cheerleader for this, urging employees to sign up to get the message out - vote for the tax. It went down in flames 2:1 against.

What went through his pointy head? Was it to suck up to the black democrat mayor of Atlanta who wanted desperately to get his corrupt hands on some of the stolen taxpayer pelf. Who knows. The government and the "business community" ie the big construction and real estate firms spent $8,000,000 in TV, radio, amd out of home advertising (all lies) to convince people to vote for this travesty, but at least in the Atlanta area people weren't stupid enough to vote for it (actually about 35% of them WERE that stupid but it lost anyway)

25 posted on 08/09/2012 6:09:36 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Lazamataz

While there are armed guards,......


Armed guards (AKA Rent-A-Cops) are not usually the sharpest knives in the drawer. In most cases they are not more than the night watchman that wears a pistol.

Worse than that, they are indoctrinated in political correctness, diversity training and the fact that they will be in “deep do-do” if they ever pull the trigger.

Why trust in them to actually protect (and save) your life. Carry your gun so that you will have the ability to pull that trigger while watching the “guards” do everything to prevent themselves from getting in trouble?


26 posted on 08/09/2012 6:21:12 AM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: DoughtyOne
#5 on your list is what got a pharmacist in Oklahoma City jailed.
27 posted on 08/09/2012 6:53:13 AM PDT by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: Lazamataz
I am left with few good options. But hey, I'm fatalistic: If God wants me that bad, He can have me!

I work in a similar victim zone.

I do what I can. I have a home-made hat/coat rack standing next to my cubicle. It is about 6' long, and has a joint in the middle where it could be broken to two 3' pieces. Better than nothing. I also have tape and long, sharp scissors. No match for a shooter, unless said shooter is a lousy shot, but it's better than nothing.

It also doesn't lend itself to be thought of as a potential weapon (like a baseball bat or the like) in the workplace.

28 posted on 08/09/2012 6:58:58 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Rose, there's a Messerschmitt in the kitchen. Clean it up, will ya?)
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To: SMGFan

Thanks but I think we will just continue to CC everywhere as we do now.


29 posted on 08/09/2012 7:33:11 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: ops33
I may remember that one.  That still doesn't make it right.  A wounded person can easily kill you and drop dead.  They can also stumble outside and kill someone else, including the first officers on the scene.  Those few seconds are very important. 

If someone comes in using lethal force against me, they better not go crying to mama because I responded in kind.

The court made itself a laughing stock on the case you mentioned.  A pharmacist is doing his job, and all of a sudden a man with a gun enters his pharmacy.  The immediate fight or flight instincts take over.  You get this adrenalin rush that you can barely control, and you respond by shooting the perp and finishing him off.

The court thinks you should be prepared for this, remain calm, and be as thoughtful about it as if you had weeks to prepare.  Baloney.  The benefit of the doubt goes to the guy who was minding and tending his own business.  The perp sought him out, not the other way around.

30 posted on 08/09/2012 7:46:20 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Nope 2012)
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To: antiRepublicrat

If he’s wearing body armor....
“Then go for the head if he’s still standing”


AND legs, groin, shoulders, feet until you run out of reload.

You do practice once weekly, right?

2” grouping @ 10 yards, right?

“Double Tap” rings a bell, right?

Cover and concealment are your friends, right?

OK-you can go outside then.


31 posted on 08/10/2012 2:43:17 AM PDT by S.O.S121.500 (Nothing so vexes me as a Democrat above ground. Enforce the Bill of Rights.)
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To: Lazamataz
I still believe in the S3 method.

Shoot

Survive

and after Trayvon . . . Slip Away . Live to fight another day.

32 posted on 08/10/2012 3:36:35 AM PDT by Petruchio (I Think . . . Therefor I FReep.)
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