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California urges users to conserve power ahead of heat wave
Reuters on Yahoo ^ | 8/9/12 | Rory Carroll | Reuters

Posted on 08/09/2012 12:24:59 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - California's electricity grid operator issued a state-wide alert on Thursday warning users to try and curb power usage in coming days because a fast-approaching, major heat wave may place undue strain on an already taxed network this week.

The exceptionally rare power warning -- its first in years -- from the most populous state in the country comes as California struggles to meet surging electricity demand.

The California Independent System Operation, or CAISO, a not-for-profit corporation charged with operating the majority of the state's high-voltage grid, issued a "flex" alert urging consumers to reduce power usage especially in the afternoons, when air-conditioning dramatically ramps up demand.

CAISO is bracing for the heat wave and struggling to compensate for the loss of the 2,150 Megawatt (MW) San Onofre nuclear power plant.

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Peak electricity demand for Thursday through Sunday ranges from 43,000 MW to 47,125 MW, CAISO said. The state is capable of producing up to 58,600 MW, according to CAISO.

The all-time peak demand was 50,270 MW, which occurred on July 24, 2006.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: California
KEYWORDS: caiso; california; conserve; heatwave; power
A none news item 'til the lights go out becuz everyone is recharging their hybrids batteries or wildfires wreak havoc with transmission lines.

That total potential capacity seems a little high to me.. we'll see soon enough.

It's a Bay ARea Spare the Air day today so try and reduce emissions, OK? ;-)

1 posted on 08/09/2012 12:25:10 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

We had Jimmy Peanut telling us to put on a sweater.
Will Moonbeam tell us to put on a Speedo? Silly leftards.


2 posted on 08/09/2012 12:28:01 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: NormsRevenge
CAISO is bracing for the heat wave and struggling to compensate for the loss of the 2,150 Megawatt (MW) San Onofre nuclear power plant.

I assume for the sake of the planet that this plant WILL be replaced by a 2,150 Megawatt field of wind turbines?

3 posted on 08/09/2012 12:33:09 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: NormsRevenge

If you voter ID card has a “D” on it your power should be cut off everyday from noon to 4. It’s their earthly obligation.

In fact, our entire economy should be voter ID based.


4 posted on 08/09/2012 12:33:54 PM PDT by ryan71
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To: NormsRevenge

If your voter ID card has a “D” on it your power should be cut off everyday from noon to 4. It’s their earthly obligation.

In fact, our entire economy should be voter ID based.


5 posted on 08/09/2012 12:34:05 PM PDT by ryan71
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To: NormsRevenge

Wait until those lauded “smart meters” start turning peoples’ appliances off.


6 posted on 08/09/2012 12:34:26 PM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: NormsRevenge

These people are idiots. It’s summer time. Funny how that happens every year isn’t it? The state knows it but never plans for it.


7 posted on 08/09/2012 12:34:26 PM PDT by RC2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDMeDmV0ufU)
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To: TurboZamboni
Standard issue for people who want to be cool. *-]

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8 posted on 08/09/2012 12:35:38 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: NormsRevenge

Mark for later.


9 posted on 08/09/2012 12:46:27 PM PDT by Czar (NRA Life Member)
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To: NormsRevenge

This is the same high pressure system that just devastated Oklahoma and has now moved west. You Kalifornians need to make sure your generators are in good working order and you have plenty of fuel. You will need a bug out plan in case you have to evacuate due to wildfires. Make sure you have a bug out bag containing your important papers and several changes of clothing. And don’t trust your safe to protect your guns from fire. Oh, I forgot, Kalifornians aren’t permitted to own firearms.


10 posted on 08/09/2012 12:49:08 PM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Electricity: The high priest of false security.


11 posted on 08/09/2012 12:49:31 PM PDT by MarineBrat (Better dead than red!)
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To: NormsRevenge

The rich/poor aspects of this stuff always amuses me.

The poor are told to turn off their sole 10,000btu window unit, and their TV, while the rich run their whole house systems, massive aquariums, a household of electronics in every room, the maids and staff running every appliance, indoor and out during the daytime work hours, the pool systems, the recirculating pumps on their hot water systems, high quality professional lighting in their homes.

I go to homes that use the resources of a small apartment complex.


12 posted on 08/09/2012 12:50:45 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors,,, where the GOP goes for it's "conservative" Presidential candidates.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Remember all those "rolling blackouts" headlines during the Clinton years?

Here we go again...

13 posted on 08/09/2012 12:54:09 PM PDT by what's up
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To: SVTCobra03
"Oh, I forgot, Kalifornians aren’t permitted to own firearms." sarcasm?

I no longer have firearms, lost them all in a tragic wildfire that burned our house down some years back.

But thanks for the other advice. We try to stay prepared...but no thanks to the rats in Sacramento, AB32, CARB and Schwarsenkennedy, we've had a lot of our power supplies cut off because they're "dirty and non-renewable".

14 posted on 08/09/2012 12:54:25 PM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Apparently there are some efforts to make home fuel cell electrical generators that use natural gas. All well and good if your area uses natural gas.

I personally would like to see a propane powered a/c unit that could cool a house. For 4-5 months you can live without electricity in the southwest, but without a/c you have a major problem.


15 posted on 08/09/2012 12:54:49 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: EGPWS

Bet they wish they had that 2200 MWs from San Onofre NGS...


16 posted on 08/09/2012 1:07:47 PM PDT by montomike (Politics should be about service and not a lucrative, money-making opportunity!)
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To: RC2
Funny how that happens every year isn’t it? The state knows it but never plans for it.

Worse, it plans to make it happen. Government, from the President on down, is doing its best to wean citizens off electricity. CA works overtime to make sure there's not enough juice to run a/c's in hot weather. No new power plants, no new gas pipelines, etc., etc. Keeping people cool and comfortable is bad for "the environment," ya' know.

17 posted on 08/09/2012 1:07:55 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

CA offers incentives for rich homeowners with AC, pools and hot tubs to install solar electric panels. No such luck for the small users.
The real irony is that they use conservative talk show hosts to pimp the incentives in ads.


18 posted on 08/09/2012 1:10:16 PM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: NormsRevenge

We in the high desert are exempt. It’s the only bright spot in the suckiness of living here. That and the clear skies.


19 posted on 08/09/2012 1:14:37 PM PDT by Excellence (9/11 was an act of faith.)
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To: NormsRevenge

On the bright side, when that high speed train gets to running those California folks can all go out and line up alongside the tracks on hot days and catch a breeze as that train goes highballing by.


20 posted on 08/09/2012 1:21:57 PM PDT by Random Access
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To: NormsRevenge
Kalifornians just don't get it. Does electricity majically appear when the switch goes on?

From the DailyBreeze

Residents, power company officials discuss future of Redondo Beach AES plant

By Annie Lubinsky and Douglas Morino Staff Writers
04/11/2012

Retiring Redondo Beach's AES power plant could lead to higher costs for residents and negatively impact energy distribution in the Los Angeles basin, according to Southern California Edison and a nonprofit corporation that manages the state's flow of electricity.

But some residents who spoke at a Tuesday meeting at Redondo Beach City Hall said the plant isn't needed, and expressed concerns about pollution and visual blight.

The power plant's future at the waterfront has long been an issue dividing the community. And as AES officials prepare to apply for a license to rebuild the facility, a growing group of residents is advocating for its permanent removal.

The informational meeting brought out officials from The Redondo Beach City Council held a workshop on the AES power plant. Lots of residents were present with an overflow crowd watching on monitors. (Robert Casillas / Staff Photographer) the California Independent System Operator (Cal-ISO), the California Energy Commission, the South Coast Air Quality Management District, Southern California Edison and more.

"We believe the use of existing power plants would be more cost-effective than creating new plants at new sites," said Patricia Arons, Edison's manager of transmission strategy and special assessments. "California's requirement of using 33 percent renewable energy by 2020 will transform the reliability of our system. It will result in a cleaner, smarter and more secure energy transmission system that will be reflected in the rates customers pay."

Dennis Peters, an external affairs manager for Cal-ISO, said the agency is trying to maintain reliability as new regulations for coastal power plants phase out once-through cooling processes using ocean water. They apply to the Redondo Beach plant.

Peters said local energy generation is needed.

"All these areas will encounter challenges if (once-through cooling) plants are closed down without replacement," Peters said. "If the four OTC plants - El Segundo, Redondo Beach, Los Alamitos and Huntington Beach - were to retire, the Los Angeles basin would be short 3,207 megawatts." Redondo Beach resident Rich Banz and his daughter Sedona hold a mini-protest in lobby of council chambers. (Robert Casillas / Staff Photographer)

AES released a preliminary plan in November to rebuild the power plant on North Harbor Drive. Company officials did not say on Tuesday when they would file a repowering application with the state Energy Commission, although in the past they indicated that an application would be filed by June.

The prospect of a newly built power plant has stirred controversy, with a growing group of residents fighting for the plant's removal. The group is backed by the non-profit group Building a Better Redondo and Councilman Bill Brand. Together, they hope to turn the 52-acre parcel into a mix of commercial space and parkland through voter-approved rezoning initiatives.

The ongoing power plant controversy prompted the council to schedule Tuesday's workshop, which included presentations from the regulatory agencies.

"This is a meeting we've been looking forward to for quite some time," Mayor Mike Gin said. "The council decided months ago to do this to become educated on the permitting process, because the process for renewal is a byzantine one."

At least 100 residents attended the meeting, many carrying anti-power plant signs.

"We've had a power plant blighting and polluting our city for years," said Jim Light, president of Building a Better Redondo. "It is very clear there is excess power capacity today, and new power coming online by 2016. You do not need this plant for grid reliability."

Many residents pressed the council to take a public stance on the power plant issue.

"This community is strongly against this," one resident said. "It is incumbent on you to represent us and act on our behalf."

http://www.dailybreeze.com/ci_20375352/residents-power-company-officials-discuss-future-redondo-beach

21 posted on 08/09/2012 1:28:36 PM PDT by jwsea55
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To: NormsRevenge

Now a news item. Blackouts happening now. Dang it is hot.

The best way to solve the electric supply problem would be to allow home owners to sell power to the grid from their roof top solar system. Put a free market profit motive in place and the power supply issue will vanish.


22 posted on 08/09/2012 1:38:47 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: NormsRevenge

what a crock of crap article been over 100 here in Socal for most of the week, had my AC on all week too.


23 posted on 08/09/2012 1:43:28 PM PDT by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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To: montomike

No, I do not want electricity from San Onofre NGS. That thing needs to stay shut down. It is well past its planned life expectancy and we are dang lucky the problems with the cooling tubes were caught.

If you heard the lame way they have proposed to deal wuth those tubes you would be shocked. Band aid for a high tech and highly dangerous system for which there are alternatives. Those alternatives do not put money in politicians pockets though. Those same politicians then dupe people into thinking San Onofre NGS is needed.


24 posted on 08/09/2012 1:49:34 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: Oldexpat

Using solar to power a/c just isn’t feasible. Solar is best used for either passive or marginal purposes, for which it can be great. But it is just not up to providing the amount of energy needed without 2 or 3 times the area of the roof of a typical home.


25 posted on 08/09/2012 2:19:30 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
"Using solar to power a/c just isn’t feasible."

California clearly needs a sunlight recycling program.

26 posted on 08/09/2012 2:25:33 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: NormsRevenge

Shove a windmill tower up the hind end of every politician who interfered with electric production and have them assume the position of a mudslime praying to their false god.

If the people of CA have not purchased some back up generating equipment then they just need to look in the mirror for the problem.


27 posted on 08/09/2012 2:29:24 PM PDT by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam!)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

so how you going to run your computer if you dont have SONGS for the power???? run it off solar???


28 posted on 08/09/2012 2:50:30 PM PDT by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Should I send Jim Rob a pack of AA batteries for backup this weekend?


29 posted on 08/09/2012 6:33:37 PM PDT by tubebender
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To: markman46
so how you going to run your computer if you dont have SONGS for the power???? run it off solar???

Cal ISO has mitigated the effects of the shut down of San Onofre NGS. While it says the margins of suplus power in their modeling are narrow and Cal ISO by no means says California is out of the woods in meeting peak demand, it did make significant progress in the critical first year since San Onofre NGS has been shut down.

In other words, it has made up the difference. It made up that difference significant part by starting up an power plant in Huntington Beach that was idle. Granted that plant can't continue to operatate indefinately under present law -its air quality credits were sold to another concern.

I have been running my computer, although I will admit today with the very intense heat in SoCal today we lost power.

More to your question, though, I believe America can solve what it sets its mind to solve. If we have the will, we can do great things. With Cal ISO having done a remarkable job i the first year under very difficult conditions, we can find a solution and keep San Onofre NGS shut down permanantly. We done it for one year and are heading into the next with out that nuclear power plant. We can do it.

30 posted on 08/09/2012 11:42:20 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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