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'Batman' Shooter's Lawyers Our Client Is INSANE (james holmes)
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Posted on 08/09/2012 3:21:40 PM PDT by RummyChick

Lawyers for James Holmes just stated in open court -- they believe their client suffers from a mental illness ... and they need more time to figure out what's wrong with him before entering a plea.

Holmes' attorneys made the announcement during a hearing today, in which several news outlets had assembled to argue that the judge in the case should unseal court documents that could reveal important details about the July shooting in Aurora, CO.

Both the prosecution and the defense wish to keep the documents under wraps while the case is pending.

While everyone was in court, Holmes' attorney also appealed to the judge on an unrelated note -- demanding prosecutors and investigators turn over ALL documents related to the case ... in order to help the defense team determine just how crazy their client is.

The lawyer said, "We cannot begin to assess the nature and the depth of Mr. Holmes' mental illness until we receive full disclosure of all the documents."

It's the first mention of Holmes' intent to pursue an insanity defense.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: holmes
but we don't know why, how, or what..we just think he is crazy...


So does he still have public defenders even though his father is well known in the banking industry?

1 posted on 08/09/2012 3:21:51 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick
So does he still have public defenders even though his father is well known in the banking industry?

Holmes is an adult. I don't believe his father is obligated to pay for his defense.

2 posted on 08/09/2012 3:25:09 PM PDT by Drew68 (I WILL vote to defeat Barack Hussein Obama!)
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To: RummyChick
So does he still have public defenders even though his father is well known in the banking industry?

The law only looks at his own financial situation. His family isn't responsible for his crimes or defending him.

3 posted on 08/09/2012 3:27:14 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: RummyChick

I’d say he’s effectively laid the groundwork for an insanity plea.


4 posted on 08/09/2012 3:27:29 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: mnehring

Not the point of the question.

If your son could have been experimented on at the University AND was not seen shooting with a gun in his hand but only seen at the car..and you had the means at your disposal..would you leave him to a public defender?

A woman came into the court today saying she had important information and she had a computer...she was escorted out.


5 posted on 08/09/2012 3:30:45 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Drew68
"Holmes is an adult. I don't believe his father is obligated to pay for his defense. "

True, and the best Holmes can hope for is an insanity plea. There's no point in shoveling cash at lawyers at this point.

6 posted on 08/09/2012 3:31:48 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: RummyChick

So? Kill him anyway.


7 posted on 08/09/2012 3:34:24 PM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: RummyChick

There was a time during the early hearings where they described his conduct in the courtroom: eye-rolling, opening his eyes wide, staring blankly... Then I remembered videos of Terry Shiavo who did those same things (she couldn’t help herself).

I wondered if he wasn’t either mugging in some way to show contempt or establishing a pattern of behavior that might lead to an insanity plea.


8 posted on 08/09/2012 3:35:45 PM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: RummyChick
Ah, so he is "insane," huh? Maybe he won't have any cognitive understanding when he is dropped into a shark tank then.

I am fairly certain that this guy would best serve our nation as a shark's dinner at the local aquarium or zoo.

9 posted on 08/09/2012 3:37:09 PM PDT by Prole (Please pray for the families of Chris and Channon. May God always watch over them)
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To: RummyChick
I think they should not execute this guy, Photobucket but study him.

That way we can find out what makes him tick or what doesn't make his brain tick properly.

After we are done, Photobucket he should be free to go.

Did I mention that as part of studying his brain we should physically extract it.

PhotobucketWhen we release him we can hand him his own brain and he can put it back in himself.

10 posted on 08/09/2012 3:38:09 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: RummyChick
they need more time to figure out what's wrong with him

The problem with him is he's still alive. I have a 22-caliber prescription that should cure him. It has to be taken intra-cranially.

And in the legal sense, there's no way this skidmark is insane. He knew full well that what he was doing was wrong.

11 posted on 08/09/2012 3:43:04 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: DannyTN

Not true. No one can identify him inside the theater. At least what we know so far.

Why all the secrecy???
“An editorial by the Denver Post says Sylvester’s order has “imposed an unusual shroud of secrecy on the case” and goes beyond protecting the defendant’s right to a fair trial.”

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/judge-asked-reconsider-gag-order-movie-theater-shooting-114639357.html

But I do know there was more than one gas mask. A good defense should be poking holes.


12 posted on 08/09/2012 3:43:48 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

Oh, and if the adopted son is a patsy..just leave him to the public defenders.

btw, the current Sandusky scandal has links to the Franklin Cover Up.

Which, if you believe it to be true, had a purpose of complete mental dismantlement of children so that they would do the bidding of others - including obtaining blackmailable info from Congress members.

I don’t know the purpose for the mental experimentation on the Unabomber by someone who had worked with the CIA ...but it created a mass murderer.


13 posted on 08/09/2012 3:49:49 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: dfwgator

X-actly.

The blood of his victims cry out for his expeditious execution.


14 posted on 08/09/2012 3:50:05 PM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: RummyChick

They probably know he is nuts and are staying as far away as possible from it lest they be implicated somehow and out of family embarrassment.

For the lady today, I’m sure you have a lot of folks waiving around the idiotic conspiracy theories by Alex Jones and Natural News. Doesn’t mean anything except there are a lot of idiots out there who buy the conspiracy crap.


15 posted on 08/09/2012 3:56:16 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: RummyChick

I’m guessing this is going to be the first in a series of lone white crazed gunmen shootings.

There’s no a whole lot about this case that makes much sense. The way he surrendered just doesn’t seem to square with a diabolical killer. It’s as if he just became a zombie immediately after his supposed shooting spree.

I don’t think this is an act, this guy has been seriously messed with. The switch has been turned off.


16 posted on 08/09/2012 4:02:16 PM PDT by bereanway
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To: clee1

No, the blood of the victims should demand the truth of what happened. It should demand to know just who was doing the shooting and was more than one person involved.

It should not be satisfied with a quick execution of an obvious target for wrath.

A top notch attorney should not be pleading insanity before he has even seen all the evidence. Their guy might not have even been the shooter.

So why is the famous father leaving his adopted son to public defenders.

Ever heard of Inslaw and Promis?????

Don’t underestimate those with power.

Mr. Holmes worked on predictive banking models


17 posted on 08/09/2012 4:02:37 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: BradyLS
There was a time during the early hearings where they described his conduct in the courtroom: eye-rolling, opening his eyes wide, staring blankly.


18 posted on 08/09/2012 4:04:24 PM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: mnehring
Just curious. Would you have said the same thing about the MK Ultra project? The one that was only "officially" discovered because the “gentlemanly planner of assassinations” Richard Helms didn't get all the documents destroyed. That project did successfully program someone to kill and not remember it later...among many many many other things.
19 posted on 08/09/2012 4:07:02 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

How forensic psychologists can tell whether someone is malingering.

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2012/08/faking_insanity_forensic_psychologists_detect_signs_of_malingering_.html


20 posted on 08/09/2012 4:09:40 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: RummyChick

Apologist for Holmes? Why don’t you marry him?


21 posted on 08/09/2012 4:11:01 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: RummyChick

“they believe their client suffers from a mental illness”
That’s nice...now hang him.


22 posted on 08/09/2012 4:17:52 PM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: RummyChick

Weaponized psychedelic drugs are potentially an even more powerful weapon than any firearms or bombs.

I highly, highly doubt the research of such weapons ended with MK Ultra.


23 posted on 08/09/2012 4:21:59 PM PDT by varyouga
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To: Kirkwood

Apologist for Holmes??? Hardly.

I think his mind has been messed with and I am not sure he was actually the killer. But even if he was, it is possible to program someone to kill and not remember it.

Be honest with yourself. If your son had committed a crime , and the evidence had holes in it, and you had plenty of money - wouldn’t you seek the best defense.

Holmes is going to go down as the patsy and I doubt there will ever be trial.

I can tell you without a doubt if my son had been caught red handed and identified INSIDE the theater with a gun in his hand shooting up all the victims ...I would STILL get the best defense to help him get through the legal process.


24 posted on 08/09/2012 4:21:59 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: mnehring

Ping to 23


25 posted on 08/09/2012 4:23:31 PM PDT by varyouga
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To: varyouga

If I told that poster that the CIA was out drugging people in public and following them around to see the reaction ....that poster would have just told me I was nuts and it was a nut job conspiracy.

Of course, that is EXACTLY what the CIA did.

I think the bread hallucination in France was the result of some intelligence bureau.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/7415082/French-bread-spiked-with-LSD-in-CIA-experiment.html


26 posted on 08/09/2012 4:33:47 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick
I doubt that anyone in the theater can identify the shooter
as the shooter was covered from head to toe in black
including a gas mask.

How many psychotropic drugs was Fenton giving Holmes ?


27 posted on 08/09/2012 4:43:43 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

I posted something done by Fenton that was a diagram of pills and reactions. She definitely was involved in that kind of research.

I have never taken LSD or mind altering drugs. I read the account of the Federal Marshall who thinks he was slipped LSD as part of Operation Midnight Climax. He went on quite a ride.

I keep harking back to the ole’ days of the CIA and wondering if someone isn’t experimenting with Bath Salts.


28 posted on 08/09/2012 4:50:37 PM PDT by RummyChick
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here is the biography of Fenton.
http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2012/07/dr-lynne-fentons-bio-that-was-deleted.html

These seems like overworked if you are dedicating 1 hour to each plus all other activities:

Clinical Activities:

Medical Director, Student Mental Health Service, University of Colorado Denver, Anschutz Medical Campus, 2009 – present

medication and psychotherapy for 15-20 graduate students per week
coordination of team of four mental health clinicians
supervision of R4 and R3 residents who treat student
lectures, outreach to students, administrators and faculty

Psychiatrist, 5-10 general psychiatry patients, medication and psychotherapy, 2008 - present


29 posted on 08/09/2012 4:56:18 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: dfwgator

Indeed, he could be both insane and criminal. One does not necessarily exclude the other. And if he were insane, why did he try to save his own neck or took so much technical precautions (vest and all).

It does not make any sense.

Heck, he could have been controled too.


30 posted on 08/09/2012 5:56:28 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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You got that right Pardner.


31 posted on 08/09/2012 6:11:40 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: RummyChick
attilashrugsAugust 7, 2012 5:08 PM
"Fenton was reprimanded for prescribing medication to herself, her husband and an employee in the late 1990s, including Vicodin, Xanax, Lorazepam and Ambien, according to state documents posted online by 7News in Denver. She was also reprimanded for failing to maintain medical charts. She had to complete more than 50 hours of medical training and promise not to prescribe medications to family members or employees, according to 7News."

Lets be clear here: She was addicted to prescription drugs. Writing prescriptions for employees, and spouses are almost always 100% for the prescriber's own use. Been there got the tee-shirt, the rehab-archipelago treatment. She certainly was followed up with a consent decree requiring submitting to random bi-weekly then weekly urine drug screens. Now, if she failed any of them she would be under tremendous pressure; she would be highly vulnerable to blackmail and extortion. Was her psychiatric relationship with The Joker, under a third party's control?

I don't know. It is very common nowadays for MD's to run afoul of the ubiquitous war on drugs. The practice of one's livelihood for which they trained any number of years after college, medical school etc, is considered "a privilege", to be exercised by license under certain caveats. F'em all.

From http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2012/07/dr-lynne-fentons-bio-that-was-deleted.html

32 posted on 08/09/2012 6:20:26 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

here is another take on it

http://www.clinicalpsychiatrynews.com/views/shrink-rap-news/blog/the-deep-dark-past-of-dr-lynne-fenton/44b67af8eab06e5fd74cb2667ea5ecdb.html

“Dr. Fenton had been disciplined in 2004 for writing prescriptions for herself, her husband, and an employee with a headache, events that occurred in 1997-1999 (Colorado State Board of Medical Examiners Stipulation and Final Agency Order, case no. 5101021920, Sept. 23, 2004). Apparently, her prescribing practices came to the attention of the Drug Enforcement Administration when she reported a former employee who was forging her prescriptions to get large quantities of narcotics.

In the course of the DEA investigation, it was revealed that she had written the following prescriptions without documenting them: Claritin and Ambien for her husband, three tablets of Xanax that she took during a period when her mother was dying, four tablets of Xanax for someone who was anxious about an airline flight, and a prescription for a pain killer and sedative for an employee with a headache. Dr. Fenton admitted to these infractions, received a letter of admonition, and was required to take a course on documentation. “


33 posted on 08/09/2012 6:49:41 PM PDT by RummyChick
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from the ex husband
http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/2012/08/lynne_fenton_james_holmes_doctor_discipline_prescriptions.php


34 posted on 08/09/2012 6:51:34 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

These threads always make it clear there are a lot of loose nuts in America.


35 posted on 08/10/2012 6:25:42 AM PDT by bkepley
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