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The Bomber That Carries America's Biggest Bunker-Busters Is Getting Major Upgrades
TBI ^ | 8-9-2012 | Michael Kelley

Posted on 08/09/2012 3:26:17 PM PDT by blam

The Bomber That Carries America's Biggest Bunker-Busters Is Getting Major Upgrades

Michael Kelley
Aug. 9, 2012, 3:24 PM |

U.S. Air Force

The Air Force's B-1B "Lancer" multi-mission bomber is getting some notable upgrades in the next year, David Cenciotti at The Aviationist reports.

Known as "Bone" in aviation circles, the B-1B is capable of accommodating the largest payloads in the U.S. Air Force inventory – including the the 30,000 lb Massive Ordnance Penetrator (MOP) that is now ready to bust bunkers 200 feet down and through 60 feet of reinforced concrete.

In June, Cenciotti reported that the B-1B "will be able to send, receive text messages and be programmed for war" after receiving advanced hardware and software upgrades that will undergo operational testing in September 2013.

By then the B-1B will have the option of carrying up to 24 of the new AGM-158B Joint Air-Surface Stanfoff Extended Range (JASSM-ER)missiles – GPS-guided cruise missiles with 2,250-lbs warhead capable of reaching a target 600 miles away – that will be operational at the beginning of next year.

Cenciotti notes that the B-1 will be able to deploy these radar-evading, extremely jamming resistant missiles "against fortified, fixed and relocateable high-valuable targets, while remaining well clear of long-range surface-to-air missiles" that guard well-defended air spaces such as Syria and Iran.

Iran Says America's Bunker-Busting Bombs Could Set Off Global Conflict

(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aieforce; b1b; bomber; bunkerbuster

1 posted on 08/09/2012 3:26:28 PM PDT by blam
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2 posted on 08/09/2012 3:28:12 PM PDT by blam
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3 posted on 08/09/2012 3:30:47 PM PDT by blam
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4 posted on 08/09/2012 3:31:53 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: blam
One of the most beautiful planes ever built since


5 posted on 08/09/2012 3:33:37 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: blam
...the B-1B "will be able to send, receive text messages and be programmed for war"...

We'll call that the Bone Phone!

6 posted on 08/09/2012 3:35:45 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: blam

The plane Carter tried to kill.


7 posted on 08/09/2012 3:39:32 PM PDT by Signalman
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To: blam

Elegant beast! What’s the payload compared to a B-52? I never thought of them as being able to carry much. Nukes are dense and heavy but not that big. Never thought about this bird as doing plain ordinary iron bomb dropping.


8 posted on 08/09/2012 3:44:04 PM PDT by Ronin (Dumb, dependent and Democrat is no way to go through life - Rep. L. Gohmert, Tex)
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To: blam

I think it has a warhead of about 1000 pounds and the whole missile is around 2000 pounds, not a 2200 pound warhead.

Anyway this is good news as to the capabilities of long range airpower.

I would say that Curtis Lemay would be proud, but he probably wouldn’t be impressed with anything with less than a 20 megaton warhead.


9 posted on 08/09/2012 3:47:06 PM PDT by Wildbill22
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To: blam

I remember when they tested one of those MOABs. I happened to be just about 28 miles from where it exploded. I was disappointed that I didn’t feel or hear anything.

If I remember right, they just dumped it out of the back of a C-130.


10 posted on 08/09/2012 3:58:23 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: blam
Long live the Bone.

Most aesthetically pleasing design flying.

11 posted on 08/09/2012 4:02:41 PM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: Ronin
the B-1B can carry about 60,000 lbs of internal payload. Theoretically it can also haul about that same amount on external hard points, but I think the B-1B no longer has the mountings for that.

The B-52 has about 70,000 lbs of internal payload, but its quite a bit slower than the B-1B, especially when fully loaded.

I think the B-2 is about 40,000 lbs.

12 posted on 08/09/2012 4:05:44 PM PDT by AzSteven ("War is less costly than servitude, the choice is always between Verdun and Dachau." Jean Dutourd)
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To: Ronin

http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=348229


13 posted on 08/09/2012 4:06:38 PM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: Ronin

Payload is around two-thirds of the B-52’s capacity. From back when we we really mauling the Taliban, I recall reading that the B-1 uses rotary launchers and bomb racks that can disgorge their contents at variable speeds. Pretty neat trick, allowing the bombardier to really saturate a target if he so desires.


14 posted on 08/09/2012 4:08:12 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Ronin

B-1 ==> 75,000lb ordnance (internal stores)

B-52 ==> 70,000lb ordnance (internal and external)

According to wikipedia (hah hah)


15 posted on 08/09/2012 4:12:58 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: F15Eagle

I had a great big glossy of the B-58 on my wall when I was a kind.

It sure made me dream.


16 posted on 08/09/2012 4:29:13 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Liberals, at their core, are aggressive & dangerous to everyone around them,)
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To: F15Eagle

B-58 Hustler if I remember correctly. These were the source for lots of sonic booms before the whiners outlawed super sonic flights over the mainland USA.


17 posted on 08/09/2012 4:29:49 PM PDT by mazda77 ("Defeating the Totalitarian Lie" By: Hilmar von Campe. Everybody should read it.)
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To: F15Eagle
"One of the most beautiful planes ever built since..."

Isn't that the B-58 Hustler?

18 posted on 08/09/2012 4:31:00 PM PDT by lwoodham (I am Andrew Breitbart. Don't doubt me on this.)
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To: yarddog
"I remember when they tested one of those MOABs. I happened to be just about 28 miles from where it exploded. I was disappointed that I didn’t feel or hear anything. "

I read that the 30k pound MOAB was tested at Eglin AFB, the largest military base in the world. The article was talking about the size of Eglin and used the testing of the MOAB there to dramatize the size of the base.
They said that no-one not involved in the testing heard the explosion. So...

19 posted on 08/09/2012 4:31:38 PM PDT by blam
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To: Balding_Eagle

I had a tray with a Vickers Spitfire on it——long story.


20 posted on 08/09/2012 4:32:09 PM PDT by Mears
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To: blam

They are beautiful-—thanks for the pics.


21 posted on 08/09/2012 4:33:37 PM PDT by Mears
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To: F15Eagle
I built a model of that plane.

I still think this is the most beautiful plane:


22 posted on 08/09/2012 4:43:05 PM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: mazda77
B-58 Hustler if I remember correctly. These were the source for lots of sonic booms before the whiners outlawed super sonic flights over the mainland USA.

In the sixties, I lived in Cincinnati. Bunker Hill AFB in Indiana was a major B-58 base.

One summer, we could almost set our watches to a 7:00 PM "boom".

23 posted on 08/09/2012 4:43:05 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE002)
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To: blam

I think Eglin is the largest Air Force Base. There are a couple of larger military bases. One is Star City in Russia and I think White Sands may be larger tho it is mostly just desert.


24 posted on 08/09/2012 4:43:52 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: blam

I forgot to mention that Eglin is not just large in area. There is stuff all over the place, a lot of it way out in the boondocks.

My Father worked there for over 30 years.


25 posted on 08/09/2012 4:47:50 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Balding_Eagle; mazda77; lwoodham

Yes, the B-58 Hustler.

4 J-79’s IIRC - 1302 mph on the deck.

She would have given Ivan a big punch back in the day.

A bit of trivia: Reportedly, when “Fail Safe” (original) filmed, SAC would not allow film of the B-58 from civilians. So they went out to a base and filmed a single B-58 taking off.

The “6 planes of ‘Group 6’” you see taking off are actually the same plane, multiple times.

“Turkey 1 this is Ultimate 1”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EhgzBC5hKE


26 posted on 08/09/2012 4:48:23 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Charles Martel
The WW2 TBF Avenger, when loaded with bombs, had a "programmable" bomb drop.

The bombardier would set the switches for the pilot's release.

27 posted on 08/09/2012 4:49:39 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: Lx

In the early 1950's I spent hours drawing this plane and the F-80 in mock battles.

28 posted on 08/09/2012 5:00:50 PM PDT by blam
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To: Lx

I always thought the B-47 was a beautiful plane. I guess the B-52 killed it.


29 posted on 08/09/2012 5:09:45 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: yarddog
"I think Eglin is the largest Air Force Base. There are a couple of larger military bases. One is Star City in Russia and I think White Sands may be larger tho it is mostly just desert. "

Okay. Largest AFB in the world. One other benefit mentioned was that it had a large frontage to the Gulf Of Mexico and the AF liked making training runs from the water to land, etc.

The above was my home when I was in the military. Yes, it's diesel. (USS Jallao SS-368)

30 posted on 08/09/2012 5:13:50 PM PDT by blam
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I’m a little surprised that B-1s are being publicly discussed for that purpose. Earlier articles disseminated here and there only included B-2s, etc. Maybe getting closer to real action in the Middle East.


31 posted on 08/09/2012 5:15:11 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: yarddog

I’ll be waiting for that special tweet.

#bone-Mission accomplished, targets destroyed
What’s for dinner?


32 posted on 08/09/2012 5:16:56 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: blam
this is a tough thread;
I was at Davis Monthan in mid sixties. We watched B47s, B52s, and B70s come in in flocks. They'd sit for awhile and then go under the guillotine as scrap. '70s were just starting to get mashed when I rotated South.

I was there when the last salvageable Skyraider flew out going south same time as me.

33 posted on 08/09/2012 5:26:30 PM PDT by norton
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To: Signalman

Carter killed the original B-1. The B-1 was resurrected as the B1-B by President Reagan.

A while back I read a Book about the Lockheed Skunk Works. Carter knew of the F-117 Development and decided that the B-1 wouldn’t be necessary with the advent of the F-117. Since the F-117 was a “black” program, nobody knew Carter’s (misguided IMHO) motivation to cancel the B-1.


34 posted on 08/09/2012 5:31:14 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Republicans Hope people are Smart, but Democrats Know people are Stupid.)
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Which calls for a shout-out to Robert “B-1 Bob” Dornan.


35 posted on 08/09/2012 5:43:54 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Steyn: "One can argue about whose fault it is, but not ... whose responsibility it is: it's his")
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To: norton
"I was there when the last salvageable Skyraider flew out going south same time as me."

I think it was the SkyRaider that I saw the Vietnamese use against the Viet Cong in the mid-60's.

36 posted on 08/09/2012 5:46:11 PM PDT by blam
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To: F15Eagle
Wow, I was looking at the photos, thinking the B1 is a gorgeous plane, and was somewhat reminiscent of my second favorite plane ever, the B-58 Hustler!

Mark

37 posted on 08/09/2012 5:48:11 PM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: norton

B-70s? I don’t think so! Only two were built and one crashed. The other is at the AF Museum at WPAFB. It must have been some other A/C you saw getting sliced and diced.


38 posted on 08/09/2012 5:51:33 PM PDT by SPI-Man (Remember the battle of Midway and VT8. Thank you brave souls!)
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To: Kickass Conservative

Wasn’t Carter accussed of revealing the stealth program prematurely to the whole world?


39 posted on 08/09/2012 5:53:31 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
In June, Cenciotti reported that the B-1B "will be able to send, receive text messages

WTH, are they going to have teenagers drive these things?

40 posted on 08/09/2012 5:58:58 PM PDT by varon
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yes... to help his election
41 posted on 08/09/2012 6:01:13 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: norton

Maybe you were thinking of B-36s because there were only 2 B-70 Valkyries built and one crashed.

Although in the 60’s I don’t think many B-36s were still flying.


42 posted on 08/09/2012 6:24:19 PM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: hattend

I knew an old pilot who flew the B-36s. He told me that was the reason that bases like Eglin had the 14,000 foot runways.

He told me had flown every plane in the Air Force from WWII until the 70s except the B-17 and that included the U-2 and SR-71.

After he retired, he got a job at Ft. Rucker training army pilots. He said when the interviewer asked if he was certified in two engine planed, he told him he was certified for 10 engines (the B-36).


43 posted on 08/09/2012 6:40:40 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: blam; All
I knew this would be a fun thread, so while we're talking about fantastic bombers, first a tip o' the hat to the granddaddy of
the B-2, the Northrop YB-49 Flying Wing ...


AND ... an enjoyable little piece of fiction/alternate history based on "what if" the YB-49 had been selected for use as
SAC's primary strategic bomber ... enjoy!

http://www.ninfinger.org/models/rms_tips/b49alt.hist.html
44 posted on 08/09/2012 7:25:48 PM PDT by mkjessup (0bama squats to pee.)
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To: blam

They will be able to send and receive text messages? What are they doing? Putting middle school girls in each cockpit?


45 posted on 08/09/2012 8:49:27 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (I just hate our government. All of them. Republican and Democrat.)
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To: hattend
My bad, and you're half right.
B36 was long gone by '65.
I posted B70...should have been B58 since that was the image I responded to.
B70 never made it to the Bone Yard.

Nostalgia: If you looked generally south from Mt. lemon it was like looking into a mirror at about a 45 degree angle.

46 posted on 08/09/2012 10:36:17 PM PDT by norton
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To: F15Eagle
I am dating myself, but I had a college professor that worked on the B58 Hustler design. He claimed that to solve the problem of control when the B58 released it's huge pod that they had to solve an ungodly set of simultaneous equations by hand(before modern computers). He said it took 1000's and 1000's of man hours to solve the equations and that they had over 100 working on the equation set.

When the test pilot hit the pod release button he claimed that it had malfunctioned, because he was expecting a huge change in aerodynamics. It had actually released and their solution to the equations was spot on so that the plane transitioned perfectly and was stable.

47 posted on 08/10/2012 12:22:47 AM PDT by lwoodham (I am Andrew Breitbart. Don't doubt me on this.)
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