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Next from the EPA: Four-Gallon- minimum Gas Purchases
PJ Media ^ | 8//9/12 | Bridget Johnson

Posted on 08/09/2012 4:08:12 PM PDT by Nachum

The Environmental Protection Agency is going to require all consumers to buy at least four gallons of gasoline from certain gas pumps after the new E15 ethanol-gasoline blend is introduced into the market. The new regulation was revealed in an Aug. 1 letter to the American Motorcyclist Association, which expressed concern that the vast majority of motorcycles and ATVs in use today aren’t designed to operate on E15 fuel and residual fuel from a pump that serves multiple blends might harm these tanks. “The use of E15 will lower fuel efficiency and possibly cause premature engine failure,”

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One other aspect of communism that is sometimes ignored is the complete control over freedom of movement.
1 posted on 08/09/2012 4:08:24 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: Nachum

Time to end the EPA and all Ethanol subsidies.


2 posted on 08/09/2012 4:13:46 PM PDT by matt04
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To: Nachum

Let’s git er done. Contact your congresscritter and get them to get on board with the other 103 co sponsors and support H.R.750 - Defending America’s Affordable Energy and Jobs Act.

It effectively strips the EPA of the power to regulate.

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h750/show


3 posted on 08/09/2012 4:14:07 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Nachum

If they can make you buy insurance, they can make you buy four gallons of gas. As long as it goes to USSC and Roberts rules on it.


4 posted on 08/09/2012 4:14:56 PM PDT by Principled (Vote Romney to stop Obama. Vote for conservative Reps and Senators to stop Romney. [ZET 7/30/12])
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To: Nachum
What if I just need a gallon for my mower's gas can? Would the EPA be happy if I promised to splash a pint on the ground to clear the E15 crap from the nozzle?
5 posted on 08/09/2012 4:15:29 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Recycled Olympic tagline Shut up, Bob Costas. Shut up! Shut up! Shut up! Shut up! Shut up! Shut up!)
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To: cripplecreek
"Let’s git er done. Contact your congresscritter and get them to get on board with the other 103 co sponsors and support H.R.750 - Defending America’s Affordable Energy and Jobs Act.

It effectively strips the EPA of the power to regulate

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h750/show
"

Thanks.


6 posted on 08/09/2012 4:20:12 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: KarlInOhio

I like that idea! My motorcycle has a 2.6 gallon tank, so if I pump enough to fill it or top it off will the gas station refuse my money?

What a bunch of f’ing controlling creeps.


7 posted on 08/09/2012 4:22:18 PM PDT by kevslisababy
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To: Nachum

To HELL with the environment.

Ethanol ruins engines.

PERIOD.

End ALL government regulations.

ALL of ‘em.


8 posted on 08/09/2012 4:22:48 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (Tosca, mi fai dimenticare Iddio!!!!!)
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To: Nachum
the complete control over freedom of movement

Sounds like more of that Agenda 21 crap: Restrict humans to metropolitan areas so Mother Earth (sic) can have her own quiet spots to relax in.
9 posted on 08/09/2012 4:24:21 PM PDT by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: Principled

The first government apparatchik who tries may find their widow collecting life insurance benefits.

We ALL need to resist this.

By any means necessary if it comes to that.


10 posted on 08/09/2012 4:24:50 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (Tosca, mi fai dimenticare Iddio!!!!!)
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To: matt04; Nachum
Time to end the EPA and all Ethanol subsidies.

Oh no we must have E15 so more brown people will starve in third world countries.

Yes it is sarcasm

11 posted on 08/09/2012 4:25:11 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Nachum

A far cry from my high-school days, when I could drive my first car (a ‘58 Anglia) for a week on 50cents worth of Texaco....


12 posted on 08/09/2012 4:27:21 PM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: kevslisababy
so if I pump enough to fill it or top it off will the gas station refuse my money.

Actually almost all pumps around here (Indiana) are either swipe your credit card or pre-pay in cash.

So you're gonna pay for a 4-gallon minimum no matter how much you pump.

13 posted on 08/09/2012 4:28:16 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: Emperor Palpatine
We ALL need to resist this.

By any means necessary if it comes to that.

Just look what happened to the Wild Turkey distillery a few years ago... accidents *do* happen.

14 posted on 08/09/2012 4:30:26 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Nachum
Damn communists have destroyed America. If Romney gets elected disband the EPA as it now stands and build a new unit to look into those regulations to eliminate. States will not be allowed to build their own fuel requirements. First no ethanol allowed in gasoline. Allow only one additive for summer gas nationwide and no additives for winter fuel. TCP and like additives by the gas company will be allowed as long as they do not change the octane of the fuel.

This can and should be done as aviation fuel was regulated nationwide. I should know, I bought enough in many States and the fuel was the same because of engine requirements. Only found one problem at a private small airport in AK and I had to add one pint of TCP to cut octane for one of my planes to maintain engine temp. (twenty or more years ago)

15 posted on 08/09/2012 4:31:17 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: Nachum

2 Feb. 2013
Next Ground Hog Day would be a good day for Pres. Romney to sign the bill abolishing the EPS and all rules foisted on us in the last 4 years....perhaps 10....


16 posted on 08/09/2012 4:31:42 PM PDT by G Larry (Progressives are Regressive because their objectives devolve to the lowest common denominator.)
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To: Nachum

Why not simply follow the comments in firearms and ammunition threads? “Stock up...BLOAT, etc.!” Wouldn’t that work just fine in the suburbs, when the “SHTF?” [Heh, I’m joking. Don’t build unnecessarily dangerous storage or drive fuel prices sky high like firearms and ammunition.]


17 posted on 08/09/2012 4:32:37 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: nascarnation
So you're gonna pay for a 4-gallon minimum no matter how much you pump.

Sneaky. You'll destroy your bike's engine all while being penalized every time you fill-up.

18 posted on 08/09/2012 4:35:12 PM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: Nachum


19 posted on 08/09/2012 4:38:10 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Nachum

Ethanol will destroy engines that are not designed or modified to burn it. E10 was bad enough, but E15 will damage a lot of engines in the near future.


20 posted on 08/09/2012 4:43:36 PM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: Nachum
Not only will that crap damage my motorcycle engine, it also puts me in harm's way on a long trip. I like to keep my tank topped up so I have extra reserve in case I get caught in heavy traffic that burns fuel with no forward progress OR if I have to go past a scheduled fuel stop. I only have 5 gallons total capacity. Burning down to less than a gallon when traversing the desert is just suicidal. The EPA assholes are simply way over the top.
21 posted on 08/09/2012 4:48:46 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: matt04

Time to end the ethanol MANDATE. But good luck with that, considering our Midwestern Republican Senators.


22 posted on 08/09/2012 4:51:39 PM PDT by Tea Party Terrorist (Your tattoo looks stupid.)
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To: Logical me
"Damn communists have destroyed America. If Romney gets elected disband the EPA as it now stands and build a new unit to look into those regulations to eliminate."

Sad to tell you this, but no candidate choice of the politically correct, bipartisan, socialist political/regulator class is going to do anything like that. Those who now control politics, business and academia in our country are steeped in social pathologies and debt. They're all communist, man-hating NIMBYs, who won't allow any domestic competition or private improvements done by their own neighbors.

I'm in a state often applauded by Freepers as being the utmost in conservatism and the most hospitable to new energy development. It's just the opposite. Both Democrats and Republicans (all who are politically active) here are dead set against any new drilling for uranium (exploratory) and natural gas. Same with a nearby city said to be very conservative--just the opposite and running nearly exclusively on government debt, services for government-dependent customers and social pathologies (feminism, fatherlessness, all).

It's likely that the only way to reasonably small government is the debt collapse ahead. I avoid Republicans as much as Democrats. Both spread social diseases, are dependent on big government for incomes and support officious robberies.


23 posted on 08/09/2012 4:53:45 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: Tallguy

I’ve run a dozen pieces of outdoor power equipment on E10 for 20 yrs plus (ethanol has been pervasive in Indiana that long).

I’ve had zero problems except for one WeedEater that I attributed to CHEAP Chinese plastic fuel lines. After they were replaced with some good ones, it’s been fine.

But for those who feel E10 or E15 is a big problem, I’d recommend either:

http://pure-gas.org/

or

head to your local small airport and get some 100LL
http://www.100ll.com/


24 posted on 08/09/2012 4:58:03 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: kevslisababy

“I like that idea! My motorcycle has a 2.6 gallon tank, so if I pump enough to fill it or top it off will the gas station refuse my money?”

You have to drink the rest.


25 posted on 08/09/2012 5:02:36 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: Nachum

what the hell......


26 posted on 08/09/2012 5:03:10 PM PDT by onona (loving butter pecan)
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To: Emperor Palpatine
Ethanol ruins engines.

We can still get 100% gas here in OK.

I actually hate traveling out of state and have to gas up with food.

27 posted on 08/09/2012 5:05:08 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: Nachum
Wow I just had a flashback....

"From now on, the official language of San Marcos is Swedish..."

"All citizens will be required to wear clean underwear every day.
Underwear will be worn on the outside, so we can check."

That scene from Bananas was hilarious back in 1971, not so funny now.

28 posted on 08/09/2012 5:05:19 PM PDT by ZOOKER ( Exploring the fine line between cynicism and outright depression)
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To: The Antiyuppie
You have to drink the rest.

No, the govt will set up a "gas bank" and you WILL divert your overage to a storage that will be used for those with EBT cards.

29 posted on 08/09/2012 5:06:59 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: nascarnation

“You have to drink the rest.”

“No, the govt will set up a “gas bank” and you WILL divert your overage to a storage that will be used for those with EBT cards.”

Brilliant.


30 posted on 08/09/2012 5:09:51 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: The Antiyuppie

Well, according to my sweetie, alcohol infused with corn equals Miller High Life


31 posted on 08/09/2012 5:23:20 PM PDT by kevslisababy
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To: Nachum

“The use of E15 will lower fuel efficiency and possibly cause premature engine failure,”


I recall that the Government just raised the CAFE standards on the auto companies for fuel mileage and now they are mandating a fuel blend that is less efficient and will decrease Miles per gallon?

This bunch in the Regime wants it both ways and more. I want them gone so darn bad.


32 posted on 08/09/2012 5:26:20 PM PDT by The Working Man
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To: The Working Man

The fuel mileage tests are all run on E0 (aka non-ethanol fuel).


33 posted on 08/09/2012 5:36:51 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: cripplecreek

We need to push this as soon as the GOP retakes the Senate. There is no way this passes the Senate and all politicians are in election year mode.

Next year we need to beat on the GOP House and Senate to pass this, then beat on Romney to sign it.


34 posted on 08/09/2012 5:37:03 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: The Working Man
"This bunch in the Regime wants it both ways and more. I want them gone so darn bad."

I almost think that's not enough. After four years of this bunch I almost agree with De Niro's Al Capone in De Palma's "The Untouchables"



"I want 'em dead, their families dead, their houses burned to the ground!!!"
35 posted on 08/09/2012 5:38:48 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (Tosca, mi fai dimenticare Iddio!!!!!)
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To: nascarnation
So you're gonna pay for a 4-gallon minimum no matter how much you pump.

Then if I fill up a gallon can for a mower, you can bet you sweet arse that three gallons of gas is going down the storm drain or on the ground!!

This ethanol crap has cost me a lot of time and money spent repairing almost every gas engine(weed whackers,blowers, chainsaws, ect...) I own.

These ignorant bastards pushing this stuff on us need to be drawn and quartered!!!

36 posted on 08/09/2012 5:40:45 PM PDT by DeepInTheHeartOfTexas
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To: Nachum

The only thing that Tyrannical Governments will pay attention to is violent Revolution. We are long overdue!!


37 posted on 08/09/2012 5:41:12 PM PDT by AmericanSamurai
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To: AmericanSamurai

I’d rather die free than be a slave forced to buy health insurance, 4 gallons of gas, and who knows what else.


38 posted on 08/09/2012 5:42:44 PM PDT by AmericanSamurai
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To: Nachum

This measure also makes it difficult to make cocktails when the shit hits the fan


39 posted on 08/09/2012 5:44:33 PM PDT by STD ([You must help] people in theĀ…feel so frustrated, so defeated, so lost, so futureless)
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To: AmericanSamurai
The only thing that Tyrannical Governments will pay attention to is violent Revolution. We are long overdue!!

That is exactly what the Obamatrons want us to say. The communists love an excuse to fill the streets with soldiers and make people disappear.

40 posted on 08/09/2012 5:45:21 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

the media will cover their messiah, the dumb stupid people of this country will still vote for this idiot


41 posted on 08/09/2012 5:50:48 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Nachum
That is exactly what the Obamatrons want us to say. The communists love an excuse to fill the streets with soldiers and make people disappear.

That's fine by me, we can make their soldiers disappear for them.

42 posted on 08/09/2012 5:52:35 PM PDT by DeepInTheHeartOfTexas
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To: DeepInTheHeartOfTexas

Dam right, that is how this once great America was born. A bunch of rag tag militia men who were poorly supplied but had balls and weren’t going to take the English sh*t anymore.


43 posted on 08/09/2012 5:56:09 PM PDT by AmericanSamurai
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To: DeepInTheHeartOfTexas

U.S. Army To Be Used Against “Insurrectionist” Tea Party?

http://www.infowars.com/u-s-army-to-be-used-against-insurrectionist-tea-party


44 posted on 08/09/2012 5:57:19 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

This is Obama’s way of bringing down unemployment. The Government will hire inspectors at every gas location to watch and be sure everyone buys 4 gallons of gas.


45 posted on 08/09/2012 5:59:07 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Nachum

Some things are worth dying for, like not living the rest of one’s days as a slave.


46 posted on 08/09/2012 6:00:26 PM PDT by AmericanSamurai
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To: DeepInTheHeartOfTexas

If you’ve had so much trouble, why not use E0 or 100LL in your power equipment?

See post #24


47 posted on 08/09/2012 6:02:36 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: Emperor Palpatine

I know in todays hyper over regulation environment ending all government regulation seems like a good idea.... we do actually need some gov regulations to keep civilization civilized

We can throw out about 99 % of the ones on the books and keep the ones that make sense....


48 posted on 08/09/2012 6:09:31 PM PDT by Popman (In a place you only dream of Where your soul is always free)
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To: Venturer
The Government will hire inspectors at every gas location to watch and be sure everyone buys 4 gallons of gas.

Yep. Watch for the formation of the GSA!

49 posted on 08/09/2012 6:12:41 PM PDT by Focault's Pendulum (If Obama was any more thin skinned, he'd have a receptacle end: Dennis Miller)
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To: Nachum

Its just an “indirect” subsidy to Government Motors....ruin enough engines out there...why its GOOD FOR BUSINESS!!!

I hate libtards.


50 posted on 08/09/2012 6:13:15 PM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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