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If You Like Obama's Failed Policies, Vote for Him
Townhall.com ^ | August 10, 2012 | David Limbaugh

Posted on 08/10/2012 6:33:50 AM PDT by Kaslin

Those who understand that America is now on the wrong track cannot reasonably vote for Obama in November, because he is absolutely unwilling to change, perhaps even ideologically incapable of changing, course. Evidence abounds.

First, consider his disastrous economic record and his rejection of any semblance of a course change. He and his economic advisers told us his stimulus would keep unemployment below 8 percent. It didn't. He didn't consider for a second that his policies exacerbated the economic crisis. He blamed Bush and said that if anything, he -- Obama -- hadn't spent enough. He demanded more stimulus packages -- high-speed rail, other infrastructure, American Jobs Act. He continued to grow government in a wide variety of areas; things continued to get worse. No sign of any significant economic recovery; we had the worst recovery in 50 years. No sign of unemployment relief. He didn't change course.

Despite his failed performance, he told us in 2009 that only the government could break this business cycle. He told us in Osawatomie, Kan., that the private sector couldn't lead us back to economic vitality on its own. Recently, he told us that successful entrepreneurs didn't build their businesses -- or roads or bridges or whatever claptrap he pretended to have meant. He refuses to reconsider his flawed notions. Arrogance, as much as ignorance.

If you think that despite all this, Obama may have learned his lesson and will change course going forward, you are fooling yourself. Obama won't change his economic policies, because he is addicted to spending and to growing government on several levels. His economic philosophy, his ideology and his political survival demand that he stay the course.

He firmly believes that only government spending -- Keynesian pump priming -- can stimulate a moribund economy. He believes it to the point that he's willing to bankrupt the nation to do it. His philosophy countenances no other alternative methods of recovery, specifically letting the private sector breathe and recover on its own. That's the economic philosophy component.

He also knows that the most efficient way to redistribute wealth and otherwise reallocate resources from groups he believes less deserving to those he believes more deserving is through an increasingly progressive tax code and more government spending. That is, even if he shared the ordinary American's debt aversion and reasonable anxiety about our horrifying financial predicament, he wouldn't discontinue (hasn't discontinued) his pursuit of ever-greater taxing and spending, because to do so would be tantamount to abandoning his quest, his obsession to fundamentally transform America. That's the ideological component.

Finally, he fully realizes that even if he didn't firmly believe in expanding the welfare state -- incentivizing states to expand their food stamp rolls, extending unemployment benefits, sabotaging welfare reform, increasing the percentage of people not paying income taxes and otherwise presiding over the unprecedented swelling of the welfare state and those dependent on government aid of one form or another -- he would still be compelled to continue expanding it because he believes a great majority of his constituents depend on this expansion. He couldn't win re-election without doing so. That's the political component.

The same general themes hold true for Obama's extremist environmental agenda. His policies are enormously destructive to our coal, oil, nuclear energy and natural gas industries, but he shows no signs of letting up, even though these policies are also manifestly destroying American jobs and otherwise harming the economy. Why would he? He telegraphed his actions, and he's merely fulfilling his promise.

While sabotaging our reliable energy sources, he is also throwing as much federal money as he can at failed green energy projects, which are so ill-conceived that a reasonable person might conclude his goal is to waste money. Solyndra wasn't the only such failed enterprise, as we've shown. There were a dozen others, and despite these failures and the unconscionable waste, he has revealed nothing but a defiant determination to double down and spend more on other such projects. It's mind-blowing.

Likewise, he pursued Obamacare with maniacal intensity, even when the public clearly and emphatically registered its dissent. His response was more haranguing speeches to browbeat the recalcitrant, ignorant masses into seeing his superior wisdom. Even after the stated purposes for his grand design have been shown to be fundamentally flawed -- it's going to bend the cost curve up, not down, and dramatically so, and it's going to leave 30 million people uninsured -- he is more determined than ever to implement it against the people's will.

I am just getting warmed up here; I haven't even discussed his politics of division or his wars on business, our defenses and the Constitution. The bottom line is this: If you like Obama's record, vote for him, because you're only going to get more of it -- way more if he wins and thinks he has a mandate.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: barackobama; campaign2012; greenjobs; welfarestate

1 posted on 08/10/2012 6:34:01 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Many Americans don’t even want a President... they want a King. And Obama — who thinks he rules via divine right — is as close to that as they can get.


2 posted on 08/10/2012 6:40:39 AM PDT by ScottinVA (If Obama is reelected, America will deserve every mockery that follows.)
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To: Kaslin

What is the difference between a bank robber and Obama?

The Bank robber let’s you see the gun...........


3 posted on 08/10/2012 6:41:18 AM PDT by Red Badger (Think logically. Act normally.................)
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To: ScottinVA

The Children of Israel clamored for a king also.

They got Saul............


4 posted on 08/10/2012 6:42:36 AM PDT by Red Badger (Think logically. Act normally.................)
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To: Red Badger

the bank robber doesn’t need a teleprompter


5 posted on 08/10/2012 6:43:26 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: ScottinVA

Correct.

These past 4 years have been beyond disturbing what people have come to demand from these politicians. Its become a cult of personality,.


6 posted on 08/10/2012 6:46:41 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: Kaslin

Sadly we have a guy who should be an easy knock out - who now seems to be (against all historical trends) widening his lead.

On the table: Romney is a murderer, felon, and tax cheat funded by El Salvador death squads...

Off the table: Wright, Ayers, Rezko, CT SSN, etc.

The GOPe is pathetic.


7 posted on 08/10/2012 6:50:17 AM PDT by nhwingut (Sarah Palin 12... No One Else)
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To: Kaslin

The brilliant, intellectual geniuses of the Progressive Party know exactly what they’re doing and all of you Christian dolts out there, who cling to your guns and bibles, should accept the fact that you’re not intelligent or advanced enough to understand their policies.

/SARC/


8 posted on 08/10/2012 6:53:55 AM PDT by ripley
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To: silverleaf

But they do usually write a note............


9 posted on 08/10/2012 6:54:11 AM PDT by Red Badger (Think logically. Act normally.................)
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To: nhwingut

If American voters choose to give Obama four more years then the GOPe is irrelevant. America will have conservative congressmen and governors but in a national election we are definitely moving left and that lesson will not be lost on Republicans either.


10 posted on 08/10/2012 6:56:55 AM PDT by bkepley
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To: Kaslin
My husband and I were taking about the polls last night. My husband is Mr. straight arrow. He cuts thorough the crap, and sees only the facts. He's very good at that.
He doesn't believe the polls. They're illogical. Oboma is a lot worse than Carter ever was, and everyone except the hard left is or will be devastated if Oboma wins reelection, and people can sense it.

I agree with my husband on this. Who would want 4 more years of deficits, joblessness, irrational moral depravity, and homelessness? People vote with their pocketbooks. Oboma has not only emptied them, he's emptied their children's and their children's children's pocket books. People would be suicidal to vote for the man. It doesn't makes sense.

11 posted on 08/10/2012 7:00:15 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Kaslin

Apparently, David Limbaugh does not realize that you cannot reason rationally with irrational people. 47 percent of Americans do not care about the issues he put forth. All they care about is: (1.) Who will keep my Welfare check and food stamps coming? (2.) Who will keep the abortion clinics open? (3.) Who will protect my right to marry someone of the same sex? and (4.) Who is the Blackest candidate running?

That’s all they care about; rational reasoning be damned.


12 posted on 08/10/2012 7:05:22 AM PDT by pistolpackinpapa (Why is it that you never see any Obama bumper stickers on cars going to work in the mornings?)
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To: concerned about politics

Only the ignorant would reelect that arrogant pos occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave


13 posted on 08/10/2012 7:07:19 AM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: concerned about politics
...everyone except the hard left is or will be devastated if Oboma wins reelection, and people can sense it.

Don't be so sure. I run into a lot of well educated and intelligent (in a professional sense) people that are still dosed with Hopium. Despite pointing out all the problems caused by Obama and his administration, they are still under his spell. It's maddening.

14 posted on 08/10/2012 7:07:19 AM PDT by PogySailor (Obama is a SCOAMF)
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To: concerned about politics

Only the ignorant would reelect that arrogant pos occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave


15 posted on 08/10/2012 7:07:43 AM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: pistolpackinpapa
Read the title again and think about it what David Limbaugh meant, which is exactly what you said

47 percent of Americans do not care about the issues he put forth. All they care about is: (1.) Who will keep my Welfare check and food stamps coming? (2.) Who will keep the abortion clinics open? (3.) Who will protect my right to marry someone of the same sex? and (4.) Who is the Blackest candidate running?

16 posted on 08/10/2012 7:25:09 AM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Kaslin

Any American who votes for Communist Obama should be required to take a citizenship test and, if failed, should be stripped of citizenship and booted from the country as they do not know the Constitution.


17 posted on 08/10/2012 7:48:54 AM PDT by bestintxas (Somewhere in Kenya, a Village is missing its Idiot, thankfully.)
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To: Kaslin
Exactly.

I see the best ploy with nobama supporters is to say to them “if you really like what he really has done, then vote for him”. The dyed in the wool liberal doesn't care about the facts, they only think about “the end justifies the means”. Luckily there is not a true high percentage of hard liberals and the many of the “blinded by the light” and “whitey guilt” 2008 PC voters now can see the result of their vote and I believe are less likely to again be blinded this time around. Their disillusion will cause them to sit this one out.

18 posted on 08/10/2012 7:56:49 AM PDT by X-spurt (It is truly time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: Kaslin

Well Dave baby, you and your brother could have revealed 5 years ago that this twisted gay commie prick wasn’t a NBC, but no, you couldn’t do that for fear of being ostracized by the GOP assholes in Washington. He’s a fraud, he’s committed treason, he should be arrested and put on trial. But let’s all just acquiesce to this commie fag.


19 posted on 08/10/2012 8:10:04 AM PDT by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: Kaslin; Alamo-Girl; ripley
... even if [Obama] shared the ordinary American's debt aversion and reasonable anxiety about our horrifying financial predicament, he wouldn't discontinue (hasn't discontinued) his pursuit of ever-greater taxing and spending, because to do so would be tantamount to abandoning his quest, his obsession to fundamentally transform America. That's the ideological component.

The title of this article — "If You Like Obama's Failed Policies, Vote for Him" — is a bit of a misnomer. From Obama's point of view, his policies have not "failed," they have been wildly successful. He needs another four years to further consolidate them, such that it would be enormously difficult or even impossible to unwind them.

Bottom line, his policies enact the Cloward–Pivins strategy of collapsing America from within, using Saul Alinsky tactics ("The Chicago Way").

Cloward & Pivins believe that the American system can be destroyed simply by enrolling as many Americans as possible in government benefits of all kinds — welfare, food stamps, healthcare, etc., etc., thus destroying any idea of individual liberty and personal responsibility. All must become "wards of the State."

Yuval Levin, in an outstanding article in National Review (August 13, 2012), explains what's happening thusly:

Again and again, the administration has sought to hollow out the space between the individual and the state. Its approach to the private economy has involved pursuing consolidation in key industries — privileging a few major players that are to be treated essentially as public utilities [which are likely run by big campaign bundlers for the president], while locking out competition from smaller or newer firms. This both ensures the cooperation of the large players and makes the economy more manageable and orderly. And it leaves no one pursuing ends that are not the government's ends. This has been the essence of the administration's policies toward automakers, health insurers, banks, hospitals, and many others.

It is an attitude that takes the wealth-creation capacity of our economy for granted, treats the chaotic churning and endless combat of competing firms (which in fact is the source of that capacity) as a dangerous distraction from essential public goals, and considers the business world to be parasitic on society — benefiting from the infrastructure and resources provided by the genuine common action of the state. Of course, the state's benevolence is made possible precisely by the nation's wealthiest citizens, but the president seems to see that as simply an appropriate degree of "giving something back." His words and his administration's actions imply that he views the government as the only genuine tribune of public desires, and therefore seeks to harness the private economy to the purposes and goals of those in power.

The man who swore a presidential oath to uphold and defend the federal Constitution has gutted that document, has turned it inside out. We inexorably lose our liberty as American citizens in this process.

But the worse thing of all, to me, is that this man is a LIAR. He couldn't tell the truth to save his life. Every statement he makes is "upside-down" WRT truth and fact. He is a disgrace to the Office he holds, and thus our national disgrace.

Are there enough sane, reasonable, intelligent Americans out there to remove him from office?

If he gets another four years, you can kiss the America we know and love good-bye.

20 posted on 08/10/2012 9:49:58 AM PDT by betty boop (We are led to believe a lie when we see with, and not through the eye. — William Blake)
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To: Kaslin

Never underestimate peoples capacity to repeat stupidity. Obam could very well be re-elected. “The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter’’.— Winston Churchill.


21 posted on 08/10/2012 10:01:33 AM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: betty boop
Thank you for sharing your insights, dearest sister in Christ!

The man who swore a presidential oath to uphold and defend the federal Constitution has gutted that document, has turned it inside out. We inexorably lose our liberty as American citizens in this process.

But the worse thing of all, to me, is that this man is a LIAR. He couldn't tell the truth to save his life. Every statement he makes is "upside-down" WRT truth and fact. He is a disgrace to the Office he holds, and thus our national disgrace

Indeed, I think they are related. He may have never intended to keep the oath of office and thus it was a lie to swear to it.

Or worse.

The oath has no power if the one taking it does not believe in God, a higher power who requires truth, knows truth and will mete out punishment if the one so swearing intentionally lies. And indeed, the God we know and worship IS Truth!

IOW, if he actually does believe in God and intentionally lied in taking the oath, then he is in great spiritual peril.

22 posted on 08/10/2012 10:13:33 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl; Kaslin
He may have never intended to keep the oath of office and thus it was a lie to swear to it.

Indeed. This is my supposition: The very act of swearing the oath involved a conscious, deliberate lie. (This alone should qualify as an impeachable offense.)

The fact is: Obama thinks he can lie with impunity, precisely because he does not believe in God, and therefore has no objective standard of truth. The "truth" is what Obama says it is. That is, he is his own standard and measure of "truth." Which is essentially the Cloward–Pivins school which posits a "second reality" designed to dislodge and replace the "first reality" of American society as lived; IOW, Obama seeks to utterly destroy absolutely everything uniquely American, which has made this country truly great and prosperous, and an enduring, indefatigable defender of God-given human rights worldwide.

And of course, this does put him in great spiritual peril. But it is a peril that HE DOES NOT SEE, and so will not/cannot acknowledge, let alone redress.

Meanwhile, this godless hard-left Progressive who lies by instinct is taking a wrecking ball to American society and its most precious institutions; i.e., institutions designed to minimalize state power to the benefit of individual well-being and liberty under God.

This being the case, it just makes me sick to hear the drum-beating for Virgil Goode and/or Gary Johnson that I do hear around here.

I'm wondering: Just what planet do these people think they live on? It seems to me that, failing to see the big picture here, they are constructing second realities of their own that will not do this country any good at all.

JMHO, FWIW.

Thank you dearest sister in Christ for your most eloquent essay/post!

23 posted on 08/10/2012 11:18:47 AM PDT by betty boop (We are led to believe a lie when we see with, and not through the eye. — William Blake)
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To: betty boop

“But the worst thing of all, to me, is that this man is a LIAR.”

He is not a liar, but one who furthers the transformation. Any statement that serves the revolution is not a lie but a courageous step toward change. Any violation of the Contstitution is not a violation but just another movement toward the transformation.

These people have no respect for a bourgois code of morality based upon some book that claims to be the word of a mythical god-being that doesn’t exist. (so say the Progressives.)

They’re confusing the daylights out of everyone because they claim they don’t lie, that they don’t confiscate private property and don’t libel or slander while they accuse the other side of it, as they themselves lie, confiscate private property, libel and slander and call it free speech, helping the middle class or applying the frequently-used cachet of “doing it for the children”.

They’re doing their intentionally-confusing revolutionary dance and getting away with it and they’re absolutely maddening.

IMHO


24 posted on 08/10/2012 11:48:47 AM PDT by ripley
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To: ripley; Alamo-Girl; Kaslin
He is not a liar, but one who furthers the transformation. Any statement that serves the revolution is not a lie but a courageous step toward change. Any violation of the Contstitution is not a violation but just another movement toward the transformation.

I gather, dear ripley, that you were speaking "tongue-in-check" in your last. But I did not see the /sarcasm tag in the above lines. That being the case, it appears you might be [mis]understood by an unsuspecting reader as possibly endorsing and "legitimating" the Obamanian tactics....

Other than that defect, you explain what Obama is up to, very clearly and concisely. Thank you so very much for that!

I know you "get it": for you wrote, "They’re confusing the daylights out of everyone because they claim they don’t lie, that they don’t confiscate private property and don’t libel or slander while they accuse the other side of it, as they themselves lie, confiscate private property, libel and slander and call it free speech....

But really, no one could be less committed to free speech than this crowd. If you don't agree with them, then you have no free speech, and can be penalized for what you say.

Of course, all of the above is precisely what "they" are doing. Their political philosophy totally inverts universal human understandings WRT human nature and the natural order of things, both of which are God-given from the Beginning, unto the End.

They say our universal God — the Source of Being and Truth — is a fiction of the imaginations of stupid, superstitious, moronic human beings. The very sort of people that the State must protect against their own "bad" decisions.

IOW, we are not created free and rational by nature by a loving and just God — Who evidently wants us to collaborate with Him as His stewards on earth. Rather, we are so stupid and confused about the nature of Reality that the State has to intervene and protect us against the fallout of any and all free decisions we make as human beings under Natural Law.

Obama does not in any way, shape, or form respect Natural Law. It imposes tests that he cannot meet. What Natural Law posits for its Truth is the necessary correspondence between what goes on in the human mind and the facts of the natural world, including the worlds of nature, of specifically human nature, and of human societies.

Romans 1:20 sums up this problem exquisitely:

For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities — his eternal power and divine nature — have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

I just don't understand how an entire class of people, who have earned very pricey higher-level degrees from prestigious universities, can understand so little about the nature of universal reality that specifically human people have experienced for some 44 millennia by now....

Are such folks being deliberately trained for amnesia WRT the human story as depicted in cultural and artistic records going back to the very beginning of the human race?

They say God is a fiction.

This would be surprising news to most of the people who ever lived on this planet, from as far back as the historical records go, to the present time.

Talk about "transformation!!!" Bottom line, it seems Obama and his ilk are trying to "transform" man into something he absolutely isn't: a robotic ward of the state, who gives his free consent to being governed by other mortals deemed wiser than he is.

But these theoretically "wiser" people don't even live in the same Reality that the rest of us do. For they deny universal Truth in order to gain the "liberty" necessary to thoroughly trash the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God. [As the Framers of our society/government put it, what is best and most precious in each and every human person. Thus, it cannot be truthfully said that man is simply an interchangeable machine that can be manipulated by "programmers." There is no Natural Law test that can show this result.]

In such a situation, what a squandering of God's gifts of reason and free will!

I'm gladdened by your reply, dear ripley. Thank you so much!

25 posted on 08/10/2012 1:16:29 PM PDT by betty boop (We are led to believe a lie when we see with, and not through the eye. — William Blake)
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To: Kaslin

If you like your SCOAMF, you can keep your SCOAMF.


26 posted on 08/10/2012 1:19:31 PM PDT by RichInOC (Palin 2012: The Perfect Storm.)
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To: betty boop

“I’m gladdened by your reply.”

And I by yours.

Thank you!


27 posted on 08/10/2012 7:06:27 PM PDT by ripley
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To: betty boop
Meanwhile, this godless hard-left Progressive who lies by instinct is taking a wrecking ball to American society and its most precious institutions; i.e., institutions designed to minimalize state power to the benefit of individual well-being and liberty under God.

Indeed.

Thank you so much for sharing your insights, dearest sister in Christ, and thank you for your encouragements!

28 posted on 08/10/2012 8:50:43 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: betty boop

“Are such folks being deliberately trained for amnesia...?”

amnesia, brainwashing, re-programming...whatever it might be, they’re doing it and the elimination or marginalization Christianity is the key to success.

IMHO


29 posted on 08/11/2012 9:08:02 AM PDT by ripley
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To: ripley; Alamo-Girl; spirited irish; YHAOS; ThirstyMan; marron; little jeremiah; metmom; xzins
...amnesia, brainwashing, re-programming...whatever it might be, they’re doing it and the elimination or marginalization Christianity is the key to success.

Absolutely, dear ripley!

Which brings to mind the famous dictum of Ivan Karamazov. Although he is a fictional character, he told an immensely great truth when he said that "if God does not exist, then 'all is lawful'."

The takeaway here is: Only by bumping off God can man find his own proper sphere and scope in determining what is to happen on earth, according to the judgment of human instrumental reason in the service of fulfilling human mortal desires.

But if you "kill God," you necessarily kill the lawful and moral order of the world of which He is the exclusive Source.

Not to mention that to say "all things are lawful" is (logically) tantamount to saying that there are no laws at all.

Thus man is "free" to create them according to his own tastes.

I do believe that Obama has taken a page from Ivan Karamazov. As a consequence, his administration and its enablers and codependents are living out of a cesspool of moral degeneracy.

He may not "sound" like an atheist. He "says" all the "right words" of assurance that he is not one. Even today, in America, that identification would be politically risky for him.

But judging from his actual works in office, it is abundantly clear to me that he is one. God places demands on human souls that he simply does not wish to acknowledge, let alone to bear. And he is bringing our nation to wrack and ruin as a consequence. In the process, destroying the legitimacy of our foundational values as a nation — with which he has exactly zero sympathy. In consequence, any person who espouses them is his natural enemy and will be "dealt with," Chicago-style.

I do not understand why so many of my Christian friends seem undisturbed by this situation. It seems they want to fight another battle entirely — i.e., by making Romney the "real" Adversary, thus focusing their angst and energy against him.

To them, it is clear that Romney is the demon in this piece, not the Liar-in-Chief — who only needs four more years to thoroughly ruin us....

Oh well.... FWIW

Thanks again, dear ripley, for sharing your astute insights!

30 posted on 08/12/2012 12:31:15 PM PDT by betty boop (We are led to believe a lie when we see with, and not through the eye. — William Blake)
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To: Kaslin
If you like your SCOAMF, you can keep your SCOAMF.
31 posted on 08/12/2012 12:32:38 PM PDT by RichInOC (Palin 2012: The Perfect Storm.)
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To: betty boop; ripley; Alamo-Girl; YHAOS; ThirstyMan; marron; little jeremiah; metmom; xzins

If God does not exist, meaning the living God Who exists outside the space-time universe, then envy, the most-cold-blooded sin of all, becomes both permissable and fashionable.

In his book, “Envy: A Theory of Social Behavior,” Helmut Schoeck calls our humanist age the “age of envy.” By this he means that fewer people than ever are ashamed of being envious, seemingly believing that the fact of their envy is proof that social injustice has been done, that the envious one is in fact justified in crucifying the object of his envy. Schoeck comments:

“Suddenly it has become possible to say, without loss of public credibility and trust, ‘I envy you. Give me what you’ve got.” (p. 148)

But what if the object of envy is the real masculinity of a straight male, or his ability to beget children? Do we dare consider that envy is the driving force behind the “gay” movement to feminize straight males, ridicule those who refuse to submit, and sexually pervert their children?

And what ugliness fuels the virtually nonstop crucifixion of Christianity, the Tea Party, Sarah Palin, “right-wing fundamentalists” et al but envy.

Evil is so frightening because it looks just like us. This being the case, if instead of Jerry Springer’s face and the faces of Katie Couric, Hollywood limo progressives, and Obama and his handpicked henchmen, to name but a few, Americans saw instead the face of the envy-bitten, black-toothed, ever-oily Grimma Wormtongue there would be no more confusion. No more tuning into Jerry and Katie or idolizing Obama and Hollywood progressives.


32 posted on 08/12/2012 1:47:37 PM PDT by spirited irish
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To: betty boop

“...if G-d does not exist, then all is lawful...”

Ask the Khmer Rouge, the V.C., Pol Pot, Ho Chi Minh,
Josef Stalin, Herr Mengele, to mention a few, and expecially Uncle Karl Marx. (Honorabel mention to
Uncle Che also, the favorite of American Progressives.)

IMHO


33 posted on 08/12/2012 2:29:54 PM PDT by ripley
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To: betty boop
Good post. Well stated.

As others have noted, the problem isn't so much Obama, the problem is the fifty-odd percent of Americans who think he is the cat's meow.

Are there enough sane, reasonable, intelligent Americans out there to remove him from office?

Because if there aren't, we are in a world of hurt.

If he gets another four years, you can kiss the America we know and love good-bye.

Because if a majority of Americans can no longer perceive evil when it laughs in their faces, we are headed for dark days.

Obama and the Obamists are everything you say they are and worse. It shocks me that they can get more than ten percent of the vote in a free election.

34 posted on 08/12/2012 2:37:20 PM PDT by marron
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To: spirited irish; Alamo-Girl; ripley; YHAOS; ThirstyMan; marron; little jeremiah; metmom; xzins
...By this [Schoeck] means that fewer people than ever are ashamed of being envious, seemingly believing that the fact of their envy is proof that social injustice has been done, that the envious one is in fact justified in crucifying the object of his envy.

Talk about the problem of "the tail wagging the dog!!!"

Just goes to show that any expectation that "man is the measure" is doomed from the get-go.... That expectation is utterly false.

Such a belief reflects pure idiocy — a refusal to be human.

The Christian tradition teaches that Envy is a mortal sin, thus something to be shunned and feared if we find it in ourselves — because it is literally soul-killing.

Indeed, it is second only to Pride in its destructive power.

The list goes like this:

Pride
Envy
Anger
Sloth
Greed
Gluttony
Lust
That envy can be justified as a "norm" of human behavior pretty much suggests to me that the "human project" left up to the discretion and direction of envious souls is utterly hopeless.

And that those who think Envy reflects some truth about the universe of human existence are destined for the Second Death, lest they mend their ways....

35 posted on 08/12/2012 2:44:02 PM PDT by betty boop (We are led to believe a lie when we see with, and not through the eye. — William Blake)
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To: betty boop; Alamo-Girl; ripley; YHAOS; ThirstyMan; marron; little jeremiah; metmom; xzins

Early Church Fathers held that pride + covetousness + hate = envy and when unbridled leads to the physical murder preceded by the spiritual, i.e., verbal crucifixion. This means that Abel and then much later Jesus Christ were spiritually crucified before being physically murdered.

In this light Schoeck’s concern is understandable in that the verbal (spiritual) crucifixion of the envied, i.e., straight white males, Christians, Tea Partiers, Palin, et al is already politically and even socially acceptable.


36 posted on 08/12/2012 3:17:01 PM PDT by spirited irish
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To: betty boop
But if you "kill God," you necessarily kill the lawful and moral order of the world of which He is the exclusive Source.

Not to mention that to say "all things are lawful" is (logically) tantamount to saying that there are no laws at all.

Thus man is "free" to create them according to his own tastes.

Which is no doubt the ultimate goal.

Indeed, modern man I suspect would like to take scissors to the Scriptures to render a "religion" more convenient to his lusts.

But God's Name is I AM.

37 posted on 08/13/2012 8:47:26 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl
... modern man I suspect would like to take scissors to the Scriptures to render a "religion" more convenient to his lusts.

Sad but true, dearest sister in Christ!

For instance, just take a look at what a majority of Catholic nuns are doing right now. I didn't realize they were "unionized." But it appears they are....

But if there are no laws at all, then what you have is a state of anarchy. Thank you ever so much for your kind words of support!

p.s.: I'm going to be totally offline the next two days. Got some moving to do, FBO my parents....

38 posted on 08/14/2012 6:03:03 AM PDT by betty boop (We are led to believe a lie when we see with, and not through the eye. — William Blake)
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To: betty boop
May God bless you and your loved ones as you get your parents comfortably situated.


39 posted on 08/14/2012 6:45:15 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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