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Romney Pivots, Embraces Romneycare Again
ABC News ^ | Aug 9, 2012 | GREGORY J. KRIEG

Posted on 08/10/2012 12:33:54 PM PDT by so_real


"At the top of my list of programs we don't need is one that costs $100 billion a year I'm going to get rid of and that's Obamacare," he said to cheers at a rally.

But then, a telling pivot: "By the way, that doesn't mean that health care is perfect. We've got to do reforms in health care and I have some experience doing that, as you know. And I know how to make a better setting than the one we have in health care."


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Remember, FRiends, Romney has absolutely no intention of "repealing" ObamaCare without also "replacing" it with RomneyCare. The RINO's will favor it. The conservative Republicans will be brow beat into going along for sake of "party unity". And the Democrats will rant loudly against it, but accept it quietly as a compromise that solidifies the socialization of medicine in this country in perpetuity. Any chance we have of fully and permanently repealing ObamaCare ends with Romney's election.


1 posted on 08/10/2012 12:33:58 PM PDT by so_real
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To: so_real

One thing I’m 100% certain of, our chances for getting it repealed/gutted are better with Mitt than the Marxist in Chief. With that said, guess which one gets my vote?


2 posted on 08/10/2012 12:37:20 PM PDT by tatown ( FUMD, FUAC, and FUGB)
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To: so_real
The GOP HERO WAS NEVER HAPPIER:



THE REAL DEAL:


"RomneyCare 2.0 With costs rising fast, Massachusetts moves to dictate medical care
Under the plan, all Massachusetts doctors, hospitals and other providers must register
with a new state bureaucracy as a condition of licensure—that is, permission to practice.
They'll be required to track and report their financial performance, price and cost trends,
state-sanctioned quality measures, market share and other metrics."



Emergency room visits grow in Mass. New insurance law did not reduce number of users
The number of people visiting hospital emergency rooms has climbed in Massachusetts,
despite the enactment of nearly universal health insurance that some hoped would reduce expensive emergency department use."


Back to the ObamaCare Future (price controls in Massachusetts)
Natural experiments are rare in politics, but few are as instructive as the prototype for
ObamaCare that Massachusetts set in motion in 2006.
Last month, Democratic Governor Deval Patrick landed a neutron bomb, proposing hard
price controls across almost all Massachusetts health care. State regulators already have
the power to cap insurance premiums, which Mr. Patrick is activating. He also filed a bill
that would give state regulators the power to review the rates of hospitals, physician
groups and some specialty providers.

It doesn't even count as an irony that former Governor Mitt Romney (like President Obama) sold this plan as a way to control spending"


"The Huge Middle Class Tax Increase Coming Our Way With ObamaCare
The former CBO director, Douglas Holtz-Eakin, warns today on the effect ObamaCare
will have on our economy and health care. These facts should be painfully obvious to
those with even one iota of common sense. This bill will lead to a huge middle class tax increase:
Remember when health-care reform was supposed to make life better for the middle
class? That dream began to unravel this past summer when Congress proposed a bill that
failed to include any competition-based reforms that would actually bend the curve of
health-care costs. It fell apart completely when Democrats began papering over the
gaping holes their plan would rip in the federal budget.

As it now stands, the plan proposed by Democrats and the Obama administration would
not only fail to reduce the cost burden on middle-class families, it would make that burden significantly worse.

The bill creates a new health entitlement program that the Congressional Budget Office
(CBO) estimates will grow over the longer term at a rate of 8% annually, which is much
faster than the growth rate of the economy or tax revenues. This is the same growth rate
as the House bill that Sen. Kent Conrad (D., N.D.) deep-sixed by asking the CBO to tell
the truth about its impact on health-care costs.

To avoid the fate of the House bill and achieve a veneer of fiscal sensibility, the Senate
did three things: It omitted inconvenient truths, it promised that future Congresses will
make tough choices to slow entitlement spending, and it dropped the hammer on the middle class.

One inconvenient truth is the fact that Congress will not allow doctors to suffer a 24% cut in their Medicare reimbursements. "


"DEATH PANELS OPEN FOR BUSINESS IN MASSACHUSETTS
In August Sarah Palin wrote extensively about the incredible danger that ObamaCare
would lead to what amounts to "death panels." This of course caused great controversy
with many claiming Palin was either "crazy" or talking about the "end of life"
discussions that were provided for within House Resolution 3200, the prototype
ObamaCare bill.
As more Americans delve into the disturbing details of the nationalized health care plan
that the current administration is rushing through Congress, our collective jaw is
dropping, and we're saying not just no, but hell no!

The Democrats promise that a government health care system will reduce the cost of
health care, but as the economist Thomas Sowell has pointed out, government health care
will not reduce the cost; it will simply refuse to pay the cost. And who will suffer the
most when they ration care? The sick, the elderly, and the disabled, of course. The
America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down
Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's "death panel" so his bureaucrats can
decide, based on a subjective judgment of their "level of productivity in society," whether
they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil. .
Now we have news from Massachusetts, the home of RomneyCare, which should be
looked at as a shining example of why ObamaCare will be an epic failure. Soaring costs
both to the taxpayers and patients was inevitable, and now the effects of these are coming home to roost.
You can't reap these savings without limiting patients' choices in some way,"


"You can't reap these savings without limiting patients' choices in some way," said Paul Levy, CEO of Beth Israel Deaconess.

The state's ambitious plan to shake up how providers are paid could have a hidden price
for patients: Controlling Massachusetts' soaring medical costs, many health care leaders
believe, may require residents to give up their nearly unlimited freedom to go to any
hospital and specialist they want.

Efforts to keep patients in a defined provider network, or direct them to lower-cost
hospitals could be unpopular, especially in a state where more than 40 percent of hospital
care is provided in expensive academic medical centers and where many insurance
policies allow patients access to large numbers of providers. ."


"State plan may place limits on patients' hospital options( Mass. RomneyCare )"


"Paying the Health Tax in Massachusetts [Romneycare]
My husband retired from IBM about a decade ago, and as we aren't old enough for
Medicare we still buy our health insurance through the company. But IBM, with its
typical courtesy, informed us recently that we will be fined by the state.
Why? Because Massachusetts requires every resident to have health insurance, and this
year, without informing us directly, the state had changed the rules in a way that made
our bare-bones policy no longer acceptable. Unless we ponied up for a pricier policy we
neither need nor want-or enrolled in a government-sponsored insurance plan-we
would have to pay $1,000 each year to the state.
My husband's response was muted; I was shaking mad. We hadn't imposed our health-
care costs on anyone else, yet we were being fined ("taxed" was the word the letter used).

We've spent much of our lives putting away what money we could for retirement. We
always intended to be self-sufficient. We've paid off the mortgage on our home, don't
carry credit-card debt, and have savings in case of an emergency. We also have a regular
monthly income of about $3,000, which includes an IBM pension. My husband, 61, earns
a little money on the side, sometimes working as an electronics consultant on renewable
energy projects. I'm 58 and make some money writing science books. We are not
wealthy, but we aren't a risk of becoming a burden on society either. How did we become outlaws? "


"National Health Preview - The Massachusetts debacle, coming soon to your neighborhood."
"Three years ago, the former Massachusetts Governor had the inadvertent good sense to create the "universal" health-care program that the White House and Congress now want to inflict on the entire country.
It is proving to be instructive, as Mr. Romney's foresight previews what President Obama, Max Baucus, Ted Kennedy and Pete Stark are cooking up for everyone else.
In Massachusetts's latest crisis, Governor Deval Patrick and his Democratic colleagues are starting to move down the path that government health plans always follow when spending collides with reality -- i.e., price controls.
As costs continue to rise, the inevitable results are coverage restrictions and waiting periods. It was only a matter of time.

They're trying to manage the huge costs of the subsidized middle-class insurance program that is gradually swallowing the state budget.
The program provides low- or no-cost coverage to about 165,000 residents, or three-fifths of the newly insured, and is budgeted at $880 million for 2010, a 7.3% single-year increase that is likely to be optimistic.
The state's overall costs on health programs have increased by 42% (!) since 2006.

What really whipped along RomneyCare were claims that health care would be less expensive if everyone were covered.
But reducing costs while increasing access are irreconcilable issues.
Mr. Romney should have known better before signing on to this not-so-grand experiment, especially since the state's "free market" reforms that he boasts about have proven to be irrelevant when not fictional.
Only 21,000 people have used the "connector" that was supposed to link individuals to private insurers."


A Very Sick Health Plan; Bay State's 'Grand Experiment' Fails [RomneyCare]
"The Daily News Record, Harrisonburg, Va. - 2009-03-31 "
"For folks increasingly leery of President Obama's plan to radically overhaul America's health-care system,
or 17 percent of the nation's economy, all this could hardly have come at a better time -
that is, fiscal troubles aplenty within Repubican Mitt Romney's brainchild, Massachusetts' "grand experiment" in "universal" health care."

"Initiated on Mr. Romney's gubernatorial watch in 2006, this "experiment" has fallen on hard times, and predictably so.
Even though the Bay State commenced its program with a far smaller percentage of uninsured residents than exists nationwide,
"RomneyCare" is threatening to bankrupt the state. Budgeted for Fiscal Year 2010 at $880 million,
or 7.3 percent more than a year ago, this plan, aimed at providing low- or no-cost health coverage to roughly 165,000 residents,
has caused Massachusetts' overall expenditures on all health-related programs to jump an astounding 42 percent since 2006.

So what does Mr. Romney's successor, Democratic Gov. Deval Patrick, propose as a remedy for these skyrocketing costs?
Well, whaddya think? The standard litany of prescriptions (no pun intended) - price controls and spending caps, for a start, and then, again predictably, waiting periods and limitations on coverage.
As in Europe and Canada, so too in Massachusetts. And, we feel certain, everyone from Mr. Romney to Mr. Patrick said, "It would never happen here."
But then, such things are inevitable when best-laid plans, with all their monstrous costs, run smack-dab into fiscal reality.


Health care in Massachusetts: a warning for America [Romney brings Mass. to its knees]
The Bay State's mandatory insurance law is raising costs, limiting access, and lowering care.

Sedalia, Colo. - In his recent speech to Congress, President Obama could have promoted
healthcare reforms that tapped the power of a truly free market to lower costs and
improve access. Instead, he chose to offer a national version of the failing
"Massachusetts plan" based on mandatory health insurance. This is a recipe for disaster.

Three years ago, Massachusetts adopted a plan requiring all residents to purchase health
insurance, with state subsidies for lower-income residents. But rather than creating a
utopia of high-quality affordable healthcare, the result has been the exact opposite -
skyrocketing costs, worsened access, and lower quality care.

Under any system of mandatory insurance, the government must necessarily define what
constitutes acceptable insurance. In Massachusetts, this has created a giant magnet for
special interest groups seeking to have their own pet benefits included in the required
package. Massachusetts residents are thus forced to purchase benefits they may neither
need nor want, such as in vitro fertilization, chiropractor services, and autism treatment -
raising insurance costs for everyone to reward a few with sufficient political "pull."

Although similar problems exist in other states, Massachusetts' system of mandatory
insurance delivers the entire state population to the special interests. ."


"'Severe' doc shortage seen hiking wait time The Boston Herald ^ | 9/15/09 | Christine McConville As the state's shortage of primary care doctors grows, people are waiting longer for medical care, according to a new survey by the Massachusetts Medical Society. "The shortage is getting more severe," said Dr. Mario Motta, the medical society's president. The state's health care dilemma can serve as a valuable lesson for a nation whose residents are locked in a frenzied debate about health care reform, he added."


"Health costs to rise again.( RomneyCare )
The state's major health insurers plan to raise premiums by about 10 percent next year,
prompting many employers to reduce benefits and shift additional costs to workers.
The higher insurance costs undermine a key tenet of the state's landmark health care law
passed two years ago, as well as President Obama's effort to overhaul health care. In
addition to mandating insurance for most residents, the Massachusetts bill sought to rein
in health care costs. With Washington looking to the Massachusetts experience, fears
about higher costs have become a stumbling block to passing a national health care bill."


"Nation's ill-advised to follow Mass. plan [Health plan a failure]
September 17, 2009 The canary is dead.
Massachusetts, the model for the ObamaCare universal insurance plan, is the canary in
the health care coal mine. Yesterday, its obit appeared on the front page of both The Wall
Street Journal and The Boston Globe-Democrat.

Both papers reported that our Commonwealth Care reform isn't working as planned. A
new law that was supposed to control costs and drive prices down (sound familiar?) has
instead sent costs soaring. "



"Bay State Insurance Premiums Highest in Country - Boston Globe August 22, 2009
Massachusetts has the most expensive family health insurance premiums in the country,
according to a new analysis that highlights the state's challenge in trying to rein in medical costs
after passage of a landmark 2006 law that mandated coverage for nearly everyone...
The report by the Commonwealth Fund, a nonprofit health care foundation,
showed that the average family premium for plans offered by employers in Massachusetts was $13,788 in 2008,
40 percent higher than in 2003. Over the same period, premiums nationwide rose an average of 33 percent..."


"Massachusetts: the laboratory for ObamaCare
Cato Institute looks a little farther down the coast to Massachusetts, where the state began its own health-care reform complete
with individual mandates and a government plan.
Cato calls it an "almost perfect" mirror of ObamaCare, complete with promises of reducing cost and extending care - that failed in both respects:
Massachusetts shows that such a mandate would oust millions from their low-cost health plans and force them to pay higher premiums. …


"Massachusetts' Obama-like reforms increase health costs, wait times [RomneyCare]
"If you are curious about how President Barack Obama's health plan would affect your health care, look no farther than Massachusetts.
In 2006, the Bay State enacted a slate of reforms that almost perfectly mirror the plan of Obama and congressional Democrats.
.... Premiums are growing 21 to 46 percent faster than the national average
in part because Massachusetts' individual mandate has effectively outlawed affordable health plans.
"


"Mass. Pushes Rationing to Control Universal Healthcare Costs (RomneyCare)
A 10-member Massachusetts state healthcare advisory board unanimously recommended
that the state begin rationing healthcare to keep the state's marquee universal health care program afloat financially.

The July 16 recommendations, the Boston Globe explained, would result in a situation where "patients could find it harder to get procedures they want but are of questionable benefit if doctors are operating within a budget.
And they might find it more difficult to get care wherever they want, if primary doctors push to keep patients within their accountable care organization."
The Globe stressed that the recommendations would "dramatically change how doctors and hospitals are paid, essentially putting providers on a budget as a way to control exploding healthcare costs and improve the quality of care."
"Budget" is a more politically acceptable word for rationing.
The Globe also noted that "consumer advocates said patients are going to have to be educated about the new system." Yes, apparently they will have to get used to having their healthcare rationed.

was the word the letter used).

3 posted on 08/10/2012 12:38:13 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: so_real

If Massachusetts wants public health care that’s up to Massachusetts in my opinion.


4 posted on 08/10/2012 12:38:59 PM PDT by bkepley
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To: Diogenesis

With ‘enemies’ like you, how can Hussein Obamaroid lose? You’re such a great ally for axelgreasy, and you’re too blinded with hate to see it. Sad that ...


5 posted on 08/10/2012 12:40:11 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: bkepley
The people do not want RomneyCARE/ObamaCARE.

Why don't you click on the URLs above instead of
relying of Team Romney's and Team Obama's lies?


6 posted on 08/10/2012 12:41:29 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: MHGinTN

The media strategy to split conservatives and make them stay home to help re-elect Obama is working. And we’re falling into that!


7 posted on 08/10/2012 12:42:11 PM PDT by bjcoop
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To: so_real
Quoting one of Rush's old monologues after the attack on magician Roy Horn -- a tiger is a tiger. You can train a tiger to behave a certain way but you can never change the tiger's true nature.

And, Romney is what he is. The idea that Romney is going to change and govern as a conservative is an absurd expectation, especially given that he and the Republican establishment know most conservatives will always settle for the lesser of evils.

8 posted on 08/10/2012 12:42:19 PM PDT by Kazan (Mitt Romney: The greater of two evils)
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To: tatown
One thing I’m 100% certain of, our chances for getting it repealed/gutted are better with Mitt than the Marxist in Chief. With that said, guess which one gets my vote?

100% of 0 is still 0.
9 posted on 08/10/2012 12:42:24 PM PDT by whattajoke (Let's keep Conservatism real.)
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To: so_real

We won’t know what Romney’s politics are for sure until we see him in office, unless of course, one wants to do the evidently out dated thing, and look at his Governor’s term.

Maybe one of his followers can pin it down for us and tell the American voters, Mitt’s driving political philosophy.


10 posted on 08/10/2012 12:42:40 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors,,, where the GOP goes for it's "conservative" Presidential candidates.)
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To: tatown

I'd trust a majority in the House and 2/3 of the Senate working against Obama more than I'd trust either of the liberal presidential candidates to do the right thing. And, I'm more confident they'd actually *work* against Obama than I am that they'd be willing to work against Romney. But, no worries, Obama isn't going to get my vote. I'm just not willing to give it to a Republican liberal either.


11 posted on 08/10/2012 12:42:59 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: so_real

12 posted on 08/10/2012 12:42:59 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: Diogenesis

I don’t want Romneycare either, but if the people of Massachusetts want Romneycare, that’s up to them in my opinion.


13 posted on 08/10/2012 12:44:43 PM PDT by bkepley
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To: so_real
As horrible as RomneyCare is, there is a massive difference between states deciding on their own to do something, and being bound by the balanced-budget amendments that most states have, and the one-size fits all budget/business destroyer that ObamaCare imposed on all 50 states.

It should also be noted that Romney did veto (overridden) the $295/employee tax on businesses that was in the Massachusetts bill. ObamaCare includes a $2000/employee tax.

I hate RomneyCare, but then, I could care less what happens in Massachusetts. If Romney pushes reforms that give more states more discretion at their level, that's much, much better than being stuck with ObamaCare.

14 posted on 08/10/2012 12:46:26 PM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: so_real

I’m still going to vote for this idiot, but in the last couple of weeks I’ve become utterly fatalistic about the election.

Because of nonsense like this, I harbor serious doubts that Mittens can win. Even if he does, I doubt whether he has the ability or even the desire to halt the rot eating this country away at the foundations.

I think we’re in for an old-fashioned biblical chastisement, and that America will have to feel the wrath before we can again see the light.


15 posted on 08/10/2012 12:47:03 PM PDT by mojito
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To: bkepley

If Massachusetts wants public health care that’s up to Massachusetts in my opinion.

I'd be totally fine with that right up to the point where the federal government started bailing out states (like California) whose leadership made similarly poor decisions. I don't want my tax dollars funding socialism in Massachusetts or any other state. Certainly not in *all* states.


16 posted on 08/10/2012 12:47:28 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: bkepley
If Massachusetts wants public health care that’s up to Massachusetts in my opinion.

Scott Brown was elected because even the citizens of liberal Massachusetts realized Romneycare was a failure and didn't want something similar, Obamacare, passed into law nationally.

17 posted on 08/10/2012 12:47:43 PM PDT by Kazan (Mitt Romney: The greater of two evils)
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To: bkepley

“If Massachusetts wants public health care that’s up to Massachusetts in my opinion.”


F*** Massachusetts and every slimy POS who lives there (except what microminority of conservatives that live there). Do you know how much money they leach off the federal government to pay for their failure of a healthcare system? Meanwhile prices keep going up and people keep getting punished for the simple act of Living. It’s criminal no matter where it’s freaking done.


18 posted on 08/10/2012 12:48:20 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: Kazan

Complete agreement. You can never shake out a conservative agenda by putting a liberal in charge of its implementation. To expect to do so is absurd.


19 posted on 08/10/2012 12:49:38 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: so_real
Sigh.....

Dear Candidate Romney,

Quit being an

20 posted on 08/10/2012 12:51:03 PM PDT by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
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To: Kazan
Scott Brown was elected because even the citizens of liberal Massachusetts realized Romneycare was a failure and didn't want something similar, Obamacare, passed into law nationally.

That's a pretty stupid way for the people of Massachusetts to show they oppose public health care. Are they really that silly? Shouldn't they first revoke public health care in their own state?

21 posted on 08/10/2012 12:51:48 PM PDT by bkepley
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To: ansel12

We won’t know what Romney’s politics are for sure until we see him in office, unless of course, one wants to do the evidently out dated thing, and look at his Governor’s term.

That was subtle, and funny, for all us out-dated types.


22 posted on 08/10/2012 12:51:48 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: so_real

Big surprise. I find it hard to believe all the Romneybots on this site. Yeah, I’ve heard it all - ABO, the country will be destroyed in 4 years, etc. etc. I heard the same old arguments in ‘08 and that worked out so well for us, didn’t it? I’m supporting Virgil Goode - go to his web site and read his platform. Sounds like Free Republic used to be. If we don’t send a message to the Republican Party this time, just WHEN will we do it? I heard the same old arguments in ‘08 and that worked out so well for us, didn’t it.


23 posted on 08/10/2012 12:52:05 PM PDT by conservaterian (Sarah/DeMint '12-NOPE Cain?- Guess NOT. ABO & ABMR. I'm going Goode.)
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To: ansel12
We won’t know what Romney’s politics are for sure until we see him in office

Kind of like passing a bill to see what's in it......no thanks.

Mitt Romney is a carbon copy of his Taxachussetess twin John F'n Kerry. Both ride both sides of the fence. Both support the pro-abort and socialist leftist agenda. Except I don't think Kerry has magic underpants, but I believe he's been to Vietnam.

Oh yeah, and Romney spells (D) with an (R).

unless of course, one wants to do the evidently out dated thing, and look at his Governor’s term.

Bingo.

24 posted on 08/10/2012 12:52:48 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy Saints surrounded.)
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To: Diogenesis

I DON’T pay for ROMNEYcare. I will HAVE to pay for OBAMAcare. SEE the DIFFERENCE?


25 posted on 08/10/2012 12:52:48 PM PDT by Starstruck (Only the wealthy and the poor can afford socialism)
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To: bjcoop

The two most likely candidates from which one will be sworn in, in January 2013, are both left of center politicians. I am convinced Romney is less left than Barry the bastard commie, and further convinced that Romney is going to pass conservative bills when they get to his desk because he has a deep interest in building an America First legacy as the first LDS inc President. To completely ignore that or try to blow it off with more axelrod talking points is a nasty game currently raging at FR. ,,, And sadly, there are longtime, true conservative Freepers more than willing to aid that turnout suppressoring tactic.


26 posted on 08/10/2012 12:53:37 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: so_real

AMEN to so-real!


27 posted on 08/10/2012 12:55:04 PM PDT by conservaterian (Sarah/DeMint '12-NOPE Cain?- Guess NOT. ABO & ABMR. I'm going Goode.)
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To: Starstruck

Actually, YOU DO pay for RomneyCARE, which
Mr. RomneyCARE set up to compensate for his
vulture corporatism in BAIN.

YOU PAY no matter what state you are in.

Just like the Olympics which Mr. RomneyCARE “fixed”.
That means, YOU PAID.


28 posted on 08/10/2012 12:55:42 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: so_real

“Any chance we have of fully and permanently repealing ObamaCare ends with Romney’s election.”

I don’t like Romney and I have not planned to vote for him. However, when I read a position such as yours, that I agree with, I still have to ask myself, how it would be better to let Obama continue.

I can’t stand Romney, but I hate Obama’s guts....

More and more, I do not think that I will be able to not vote against Obama. If I trusted the Republicans, and I certainly don’t, I would hope that impeachment proceedings would start the very day that Obama wins the election, BUT those balls-less cowards will not lift a finger.... so we would be stuck with 4 more years of hell from that dictator POS.

Now, if that GOP-e RINO Romney would at least.... Never mind, I made myself sick.

These dark times suck.


29 posted on 08/10/2012 12:56:37 PM PDT by Gator113 (***YOU GAVE it to Obama. I would have voted for NEWT.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: so_real

30 posted on 08/10/2012 12:57:17 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: RaisingCain

Do you know how much money they leach off the federal government to pay for their failure of a healthcare system?
________________________________________

50%

Willard told Bill O’Reilly that its working the way it was suppose to...50% from the Federal government and 50% from the state of MASS...

I’m glad Willard is thrilled about it...


31 posted on 08/10/2012 12:57:56 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: so_real
No problem, if you want to sit this one out it's your call. Some of us see Obama too big of a threat to sit on our hands. It really is that simple.

My focus is 100% on doing everything in my power to get the Marxist thrown from the WH. I don't give two sh&ts if it means voting for Romney, he has nothing to do with it in my mind. Obama’s had 4 years to destroy MY country and if he is being evaluated on accomplishing that goal, unfortunately he's done well.

Once Obama & Co. is gone, my focus will turn to Romney. Until then, the country is on fire and all of my focus remains on extinguishing it.

32 posted on 08/10/2012 12:58:52 PM PDT by tatown ( FUMD, FUAC, and FUGB)
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To: MHGinTN


33 posted on 08/10/2012 12:59:03 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Diogenesis

While I agree with your assessment of the situation (we the voters don’t want EITHER “plan”), what are you proposing we DO about it? pontificating about the problem, without offering solutions is a bit pointless.


34 posted on 08/10/2012 1:00:20 PM PDT by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
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To: RaisingCain
Do you know how much money they leach off the federal government to pay for their failure of a healthcare system?

As a matter of fact Massachusetts is a net payer of income taxes. It sends to DC more than it receives.

35 posted on 08/10/2012 1:01:42 PM PDT by bkepley
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To: Diogenesis

You and Elsie been spending evenings together?


36 posted on 08/10/2012 1:01:42 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

That means you are okay with a little socialized medicine as long as it is not a lot of socialized medicine. This plays right into liberal hands. Now that you've conceded that point to them, the next step is to decide what constitutes "a little" and what is "a lot". This is the slippery slope to our decline. Is there anything wrong with repealing ObamaCare in its entirety, not replacing it, and letting the states legislate for themselves as they desire? No? How about we go that route instead?


37 posted on 08/10/2012 1:02:11 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: Diogenesis

All I hear is Blah, blah blah.


38 posted on 08/10/2012 1:06:30 PM PDT by Starstruck (Only the wealthy and the poor can afford socialism)
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To: mojito

I feel your pain, mojito. That's how I felt in 2008. McCain made a brilliant pick for VP with Palin. I felt my mind more at ease and I pulled the lever for him. And now, three years later, McCain led the RINO charge in the Senate to ratify the Sea Treaty and erode our nation's nautical sovereignty. In retrospect, I would not have voted for him, even with Palin at his side, knowing he'd drive Senate Republican's to damage our nation's defense by using his position to help ratify this treaty. Romeney is not going to have that opportunity to disappoint me so. I drew the line in 2008.


39 posted on 08/10/2012 1:09:22 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: MHGinTN

What you don’t get is that he thinks he’s going to build that “legacy” by being exactly like Obama - but a white Mormon instead of a half-black Muslim.

He’s not a Marxist because he has succeeded under this system, but not the way most of us did. Most of us are not investment bankers with super-wealthy daddies. They can succeed under any system because they’re necessary even in a socialist country.

But Mormonism is a theocratic religion, and he’s just as much a statist as Obama, without the populist rhetoric. After all he bought the nomination fair and square with his own fortune (and probably big bucks from the very wealthy Mormon church) so he doesn’t need to go there.


40 posted on 08/10/2012 1:09:22 PM PDT by livius
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To: Diogenesis

“vulture corporatism in BAIN”

Sounds like something out of Venezeula or North Korea.


41 posted on 08/10/2012 1:10:55 PM PDT by bkepley
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To: tatown

Agreed. Re-elect Barry and we’ll have Canadian style single payer within a decade. All the dominoes were laid to fall that way.


42 posted on 08/10/2012 1:13:50 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: MHGinTN; Elsie
Your comment, MHGinTN, heralds that your head is quite far
up Willard's RomneyCARE-promoting, tax-as-fee-scheming,
global-warming-hoax-imposing, rectum.
[and of course like all RomneyBOTs you, MHGinTN, attack FReepers
--cowardly behind their backs--, without giving them a ping.
HOW Romney is THAT!!!! (mucho)]


43 posted on 08/10/2012 1:14:51 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Gator113

Chin up, FRiend. Remember 1992. Only two years into his second term, the Congress worked up the courage to impeach Clinton. And, they have *much* more material to work with on Obama than they did with Clinton. Futhermore, the liberals don't even like Obama (remember Jackson saying something about removing Obama's manhood). We need to focus on getting 2/3rds of the Senate powered by Republicans with a healthy portion of them being new, hot-blooded, Tea Party types. With 2/3rds of the Senate, Obama is effectively neutered at all levels. That should be our primary goal. Replacing him with a liberal Republican that our guys will be encouraged to work with is not progress in my opinion.


44 posted on 08/10/2012 1:15:37 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin
As horrible as RomneyCare is, there is a massive difference between states deciding on their own to do something

Romney wants to and will implement some form of Romneycare nationally.

To pretend otherwise is utterly delusional.

45 posted on 08/10/2012 1:16:29 PM PDT by Kazan (Mitt Romney: The greater of two evils)
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To: Starstruck; Diogenesis
All I hear is Blah, blah blah.

I wonder why...


46 posted on 08/10/2012 1:18:37 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (FUMR)
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To: so_real

You really think a Republican congress that would not have enough balls to veto any big government proposals from Romney would have the balls to impeach a re-elected and thus popularly approved and further more black, MSM beloved President? Especially after what happened when they tried that with Clinton?


47 posted on 08/10/2012 1:20:20 PM PDT by bkepley
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To: tatown

See post #44. I have no desire for you or any one else to "sit this one out". That would be highly counter-productive. If it's my call, then I say get to the polling places and do your civic duty. However, as you say, the country is on fire. We need to be firemen about it: use controlled burns to save what we can, isolate the primary blaze, and then extinguish it. Starting a new fire to exhaust the oxygen of an old fire and snuff it out will never work without killing us all. Obama is the old fire; Romney is the new fire. I say isolate Obama.


48 posted on 08/10/2012 1:22:22 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: Kazan

>Romney wants to and will implement some form of Romneycare nationally.

It’s oxymoronic. Romneycare is not a Federal program.


49 posted on 08/10/2012 1:23:53 PM PDT by bkepley
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To: bkepley
Shouldn't they first revoke public health care in their own state?

Massachusetts is under single party rule.

30% conservative, 30% liberal whackos, and the remainder mushy moderates.

The State House is "Occupied" territory; a clubhouse of cronies who are impossible to oust once they manage to slime their way into elected office.

50 posted on 08/10/2012 1:23:53 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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