Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

This thread has been locked, it will not receive new replies.
Locked on 08/10/2012 6:31:14 PM PDT by Admin Moderator, reason:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2916269/posts



Skip to comments.

EDITORIAL: The Civil War of 2016 U.S. military officers are told to plan to fight Americans
Washington Times ^ | 08/07/12 | Editorial

Posted on 08/10/2012 5:55:10 PM PDT by izzatzo

Imagine Tea Party extremists seizing control of a South Carolina town and the Army being sent in to crush the rebellion. This farcical vision is now part of the discussion in professional military circles.

At issue is an article in the respected Small Wars Journal titled “Full Spectrum Operations in the Homeland: A ‘Vision’ of the Future.” It was written by retired Army Col. Kevin Benson of the Army's University of Foreign Military and Cultural Studies at Fort Leavenworth, Kan., and Jennifer Weber, a Civil War expert at the University of Kansas. It posits an “extremist militia motivated by the goals of the ‘tea party’ movement” seizing control of Darlington, S.C., in 2016, “occupying City Hall, disbanding the city council and placing the mayor under house arrest.” The rebels set up checkpoints on Interstate 95 and Interstate 20 looking for illegal aliens. It’s a cartoonish and needlessly provocative scenario.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2016; civilwar; cw2; cw2cwii; cwii; military; stockpilesong; thestockpilesong
For what it's worth, and considering that the Tea Party is the extremist element, IMHO, it aint worth much. What about the extremists/current administration on the left and tyranny of the minority?
1 posted on 08/10/2012 5:55:16 PM PDT by izzatzo
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: izzatzo

What Good Can a Handgun Do Against An Army?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2312894/posts


2 posted on 08/10/2012 5:59:35 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: izzatzo; Admin Moderator

sorry to complain but there is a thread with nearly 400 replies here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2916269/posts

(search “titles” one word at a time. “2016” brought up the original right away)


3 posted on 08/10/2012 6:01:00 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: izzatzo

Revolution is coming.


4 posted on 08/10/2012 6:01:00 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: dynachrome

I posted the same thing right after this thread (weird coincidence!). It is a few days old and many people probably haven’t seen it. I’ve seen posts that say it is ok to post something like 4 to 6 hours later but I don’t know if that’s just urban FR legend.


5 posted on 08/10/2012 6:04:32 PM PDT by ransomnote
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Biggirl

Don’t be silly.

The “revolution” would last 10 minutes.


6 posted on 08/10/2012 6:06:31 PM PDT by hitchwolf
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: dynachrome

Disagree, I searched for same post including “2016”, and it did not show. The site search mode is often inadequate, not the first time for a duplicate post, probably not the last time.


7 posted on 08/10/2012 6:08:42 PM PDT by izzatzo (Just beat Obama.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: izzatzo

Hey, izaarto. This crap story has already been trashed by JR. It’s crap from examiner.com. Examiner.com is populated by left wing scum who will steal your underpants.

Cheers, buddy.


8 posted on 08/10/2012 6:09:36 PM PDT by sergeantdave
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: hitchwolf

” The “revolution” would last 10 minutes. “

The ‘revolution’ has already happened (think, “boiling frog”) - what we’re seeing with this wargame is the mop-up/consolidation/pacification phase....


9 posted on 08/10/2012 6:10:43 PM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: izzatzo

Without the quote marks it brought it up. I have duplicated posts by searching whole titles or multiple words from titles. I now search one word at a time, trying 2 or 3 words if it looks like a popular post.


10 posted on 08/10/2012 6:13:29 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Uncle Ike

Certainly looks that way.

I tell my kids to not have children.

The world is going to a very grim place.


11 posted on 08/10/2012 6:14:36 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: izzatzo

I sent my congressman, Mike Rogers of Alabama, an email the other day and asked WHY the dept of HLS needed to purchase 450 MILLION hollow point bullets since they are illegal for military forces and illegal for police. I have not yet heard from him, but will be posting his reply here when it happens. I am very interested too see his response.


12 posted on 08/10/2012 6:14:36 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (If you cannot read the sign of the times, I suggest you read the Scriptures. They are CLEAR!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Uncle Ike

THAT I agree with.


13 posted on 08/10/2012 6:14:36 PM PDT by hitchwolf
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: izzatzo
Also for what its worth, The senior brass knows full well zer0 is not qualified to be president. They did nothing about it. Crapped all over the oath they swore to uphold. Now someone wonders if they would take on the public?
They all ready have!
14 posted on 08/10/2012 6:17:37 PM PDT by reefdiver (Shoeless John Roberts, An American Tragedy.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: izzatzo

If this is the best they can come up with I’m not too worried.


15 posted on 08/10/2012 6:17:55 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: sergeantdave

This is not from the Examiner, this is from the Washington Post.


16 posted on 08/10/2012 6:20:20 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: izzatzo
Actually it sounds like someone is willing to overlook what many of our enemies have wisely noted about every blade of grass. Add the fact that only a tiny fraction of our troops would likely follow such orders. Also so many of our troops are overseas. How many towns and cities are in America?

The logistics of brutally controlling 1 small to medium city are doable but would enrage the whole country. The logistics of controlling a mega city or multiple cities and rural areas become a pretty daunting prospect in the face of an increasingly enraged population. Where I live there are little towns of all sized every few miles in all directions

If anything, I suspect this "report" is itself propaganda that attempts to intimidate.

BTW for those who are interested the Hutaree militia leader has been nominated to be constable of his hometown. LOL

Former Hutaree militia member nominated for constable in southern Washtenaw County
17 posted on 08/10/2012 6:21:47 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: hitchwolf

“Don’t be silly.

The “revolution” would last 10 minutes.”

Well, then go surrender yourself, chicken hitchwolf. Try not to cluck too loud and wake your neighbors.


18 posted on 08/10/2012 6:22:29 PM PDT by sergeantdave
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: izzatzo

I think the best rebuttal to an article like this would be a picture of a large gallows, depicting US military officers of high rank, in their dress uniforms, but with black bags over their heads, unceremoniously dangling as a group. In all fairness, each military branch should be represented.

Nailed to the front of the gallows is a copy of the US constitution with the word “Traitors” painted across it.


19 posted on 08/10/2012 6:22:53 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: izzatzo
Learn how to use search. It's not unreliable, the people trying to use it that don't know how are.

Click this link www.freerepublic.com/focus/search?s=2016&ok=Search&q=quick&m=any&o=time

20 posted on 08/10/2012 6:27:44 PM PDT by upchuck ("Definition of 'racist:' someone that is winning an argument with a liberal." ~ Peter Brimelow)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: izzatzo

Of course not a mention of what is actually taking place in Chicago today.

Does it seem obvious to anyone else that our government is so angry at our respect for our founders and founding documents, that they are actually planing to take us down for it?

Excuse me, but you don’t do that unless you have one massive guilty conscience.


21 posted on 08/10/2012 6:27:45 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Nope 2012)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: izzatzo

I refer you to Afghanistan and Iraq.

The military would have a SOB of a time “crushing” any domestic uprising. The IRA never numbered more than several hundred. The Brits controlled the whole of northern Ireland with a very professional army. They had the insurgency basically confined to an island where they controlled all approaches. The British fought on for decades, and finally had to negotiate a peace.

1) First, a domestic uprising would only happen after extreme provocation, so people nationwide would already be on edge. The uprising would never happen unless something happened to convince people that all political remedies were futile, and the government would likely start the rebellion with some overt act that went “too far”.

2) a crushing response only spreads the movement.

3) Fighting in Iraq is one thing, doing it on you own logistical tail is quite another.

4) No insurgency would face them force on force. It would be another of those fights seen all around the world involving IEDs, blackmail, ambush, deceit, and military leaders would find their families targeted for kidnap, murder, etc. This recently happened when a Mexican Marine was killed fighting Cartels. They gave him a funeral with honors. Later that night, his mother, sister, and several others were all murdered.
History shows that political leaders who ordered and supported a US military attack on American citizens would also be personal endangered, bribed, blackmailed, and neutralized.
Imagine for example, a drone operator shot dead as he stopped for gas on his way home in Nevada, a thousand miles from the war zone. No military would be safe, anywhere. The crackdown would have to be nationwide, and wouldn’t stay local. The heavy handed actions necessary would anger people who were not involved to begin with. Resentment towards the government grows.

5) Our military uses the USA as a home base. Their bases, supply depots, maintenence activites, factories, air bases etcc are extremely vulnerable and scattered.

6) The Military would have to be extremely concerned about their troops loyalty. Often they will be sypathetic to the uprising. A classic example is found in Russia. When the tanks rolled into Moscow in 1991. They were supposed to crush the pro-Yeltsin crowd. In about a half hour they were hugging the crowd, sharing tea and bread, and started shelling the Russian government building on BEHALF of the crowd.

7) Our military is amazing when used against a foreign enemy. But if it was turned against the American people, here in America, you would quickly see it swallowed up into a nationwide chasm of national disorder. Our military just spent 10 years in Iraq which is about the size of Texas. It was bled white, and most units did 3, 4, or 5 tours.

8) In recent wars, the military could always rest and refit here. They knew their families were safe at home. They knew that in general the nation was behind them. Its a very different animal when none of that is true.

9) The chaos causes extreme business disruptions in our close coupled, just in time economy. This adds pressure to quickly negotiate. Politicians are under unbelievable pressure. The opposition party is seen as an alternative to the one that sparked the insurgency.

There won’t be a Gettysburg in modern insurgency. There will be a nasty insurgency, with a political component that would be as important as the killing wing.

This experience is best left to the imagination.


22 posted on 08/10/2012 6:28:21 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: izzatzo
Blah blah blah blah blah... here is something of real importance. THREE OF OUR AMERICAN BRETHREN IN ARMS WERE MURDERED TODAY... BY AN ALLY OFFICER OF THE AFGHAN GOVERNMENT. he blew himself up... killing three American heroes. WHY doesn't romney SAY SOMETHING about the LACK of LEADERSHIP, TYING of the MILITARY'S hands AND ROE that are suicidal?

Sorry for the shouting but I just have had enough of this leftard crap for one day.

LLS

23 posted on 08/10/2012 6:29:00 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Don't Tread On Me)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: izzatzo

The exact scenario is fanciful, but the real point is getting them used to the idea of firing on Americans.


24 posted on 08/10/2012 6:29:17 PM PDT by Salman
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: sergeantdave

They just do not understand.

LLS


25 posted on 08/10/2012 6:30:49 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Don't Tread On Me)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson