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NBC News: Paul Ryan is Romney VP choice
WEAU.com ^ | 8/11/12 | WEAU staff

Posted on 08/10/2012 9:53:45 PM PDT by Brandonmark

UPDATE:: NBC News has three sources telling the network that Rep. Paul Ryan, (R) Wisconsin, is Mitt Romney's choice for Vice President.

Also the National Review reports the following: Earlier today, a charter plane took off in Boston, stopped in Chicago, then flew to the tiny airport in Janesville, Wis. Janesville, of course, is the hometown of Representative Paul Ryan, a top vice-presidential contender.

(Excerpt) Read more at weau.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Virginia; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: 2012veep; mittromney; paulryan; ryan; ryan2012; ryanvp; virginia; vp; vpryan; wisconsin
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To: SumProVita

Doesn’t matter to me what you think.


251 posted on 08/11/2012 9:55:28 AM PDT by novemberslady
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To: BuckeyeTexan
I agree with you about making the case for capitalism. I just don’t expect anyone other than we political junkies to appreciate that argument.

Then I don't see how the country avoids disaster. Obama's making the case for socialism every single day. Sure, he's not calling it socialism. We don't have to use the word capitalism either. But we have to make the case for less taxation, less government regulation and less entitlement programs. I think we can win that case. If we can't, then we can look forward to a poor country with a low standard of living and no power or influence in the world in the future.

252 posted on 08/11/2012 10:28:42 AM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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To: JediJones

“Romney was already backing Ryan’s plan, so it’s not like the Dems couldn’t have done it anyway.”

I agree with this 100%. The obama campaign was always going to tie Romney to Ryan’s budget because it helps the democrats, immensely. The problem is that now Romney has a walking 24/7 negative ad at his side from now ‘til November.

“We need to win on our issues by winning the argument instead of backing away because we think the Dems will “Dem-agogue” us. That’s just cowardice.’

I agree that morally, it is absolute cowardice to run from a policy out of fear of opposition ads and attacks. But unfortunately, campaigns are not a time for courage, after the election is time for courage. Cowardice and the status quo vis a vis entitlement programs is now and always has been a winner....and threatening the entitlement status quo is and always has been the third rail. Romney is now electrocuting the hell out of himself with the Ryan pick.

I know this sounds incredibly cynical but this is how democracy has worked since the Greeks invented it. In politics, cowardice is a winner. After you win the election, then you go bold.

Clinton/Gore, talk soft, get elected, go bold and ban assault weapons and raise taxes.

Bush/Cheney, tout “compassionate conservatism” aka we like some democrat programs like entitlements, get elected, then go bold with historical tax cuts and cutting regulations.

Obama/Biden, talk soft about uniting washington and bringing everyone to the table, racial harmony, blah blah, get elected, then go bold by locking the doors on all the Republicans and ramming ObamaCare and Dodd-Frank down our throats.

Romney is going bold first and doing this out of sequence is a political deathtrap.


253 posted on 08/11/2012 10:41:31 AM PDT by jackmercer
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To: Quickgun
I guess you missed my original post. I will never vote for Romney although I consider Ryan a good pick.

Folks can flame shame blame or beg it aint gonna happen..

254 posted on 08/11/2012 11:20:42 AM PDT by montanajoe
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To: JediJones

I think it will have to get worse before it gets better. We have a generation of Americans who don’t appreciate their freedom and don’t understand the results of socialism and communism. They will have to lose the “good life” in order to appreciate it.

Does that mean we shouldn’t try to educate them before it’s too late? Certainly not. We have to try.


255 posted on 08/11/2012 11:21:25 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan
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To: jackmercer

But Reagan didn’t talk soft about the dangers of big government, did he? The beautiful thing for him was that his pro-capitalism talk dovetailed perfectly with both domestic and foreign policy, vis a vis the U.S.S.R.

I agree that entitlement programs are going to sound good to many people, especially in a bad economy. Let’s keep in mind though that Ryan is talking about saving Medicare, not overturning it. Our entitlements are headed for insolvency if they aren’t revamped. It’s only the Dems claiming that Ryan’s policies are radical. The “R”’s job is to educate the public that if we go down the path of debt that Obama is leading us, we will be forced into draconian austerity measures and the checks really will stop coming. So, if you like functional entitlement programs, the Republicans really are the only ones who will give you them in the long run.

The Dems really are arguing that up is down and down is up, and they’ve convinced too many people of that. The challenge for the “R”’s is to turn the argument back around to our side. It’s no different from the old “Laffer curve” argument that cutting taxes increases revenue to the government, while Dems argue the opposite. We’re dealing with basic free market philosophy here. If selling the American people on the merits of free market capitalism isn’t possible, then we shouldn’t bother even running. I’d rather lose making that argument and then be able to point to the country’s problems 4 years later and say “we told you so,” then hopefully get elected at that point to try and fix things, if it’s not too late.


256 posted on 08/11/2012 12:28:55 PM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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To: Salvation
Good record. This will rally skeptical Conservatives to vote hold their nose and vote for Willard.

Paul Ryan is the ONLY one in government who has put forth a plan to correct the devastating fiscal path this nation is on. Of course he will be red meat for the left an the media, but unlike Sarah Palin four years ago, Ryan knows whats coming and hopefully will be better equipped to handle it.

I am looking forward already to the Ryan-Biden debate. Ryan is about 5 trillion times smarter than Plugs.

Pray for the Romney-Ryan ticket and their success in defeating the Marxist regime in November. The pray for their success in turn this country around.

257 posted on 08/11/2012 2:02:42 PM PDT by GR_Jr. (Vote Obama out now.....deal with Romney later.)
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To: montanajoe

Have you seen the ages of the lib SC Justices? I GUARANTEE YOU at least ONE of them won’t survive another four years. Ginsburg already has one foot in the grave.


258 posted on 08/11/2012 2:05:08 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
Ginsburg wont retire if Romney is elected I can guarantee you that.

The far more real threat is Scalia and Kennedy retiring because there is a GOP president. There is no way in the world Romney will appoint justices as conservative as these two.

Romney the liberal will appoint liberals just as he did in Massachusetts. The SC will then be solidly liberal for the next 20-30 years.

Its far preferable in my view to, at worst, let Obama appoint a liberal justice to replace Ginsburg than to let Romney decimate the conservative leaning court in the next eight years with the appointment of 3 or 4 liberal justices.

259 posted on 08/11/2012 2:55:06 PM PDT by montanajoe
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To: montanajoe
Blame Shame Flame or Beg I wont be voting for R/R..

What a compact way to put it. I'll have to remember that. I'm right there with you, Joe.

260 posted on 08/11/2012 3:26:29 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: beenaround

No, it’s not a joke. I hope that I am wrong. I LIKE Ryan... a lot. I just worry about his baggage regarding medicare and hope the seniors don’t decide to not vote or vote Dem. I didn’t cite the DUmpster as proof. I was just pointing out they were saying what some of my family and friends were saying.


261 posted on 08/11/2012 3:53:28 PM PDT by mojitojoe (American by birth. Southern by the grace of God. Conservative by reason and logic.)
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To: montanajoe

I agree. Ginsberg won’t retire. She’ll CROAK of old age though. Have you seen her? She looks half dead already.


262 posted on 08/11/2012 4:33:12 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: Windflier

Supreme Court Justice Eric Holder will be sending you a ‘Thank you’ card sometime between now and 2016.


263 posted on 08/11/2012 4:40:00 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: LibertyRocks

Didn’t say he wasn’t a good guy.


264 posted on 08/11/2012 4:55:27 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: novemberslady

That says a lot about you.


265 posted on 08/11/2012 5:02:18 PM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. - Modified Descartes)
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To: SumProVita
That says a lot about you.

As does your obsession with harrassing a person who has a different opinion than you.
Seek help.
266 posted on 08/11/2012 5:30:29 PM PDT by novemberslady
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
She wont be the first Washington type who hung on long after she croaked...
267 posted on 08/11/2012 5:30:39 PM PDT by montanajoe
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To: novemberslady

I believe that you were the first to post this to me:

“I’m not and there’s just as many of me as there are of you.”


268 posted on 08/11/2012 5:35:54 PM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. - Modified Descartes)
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To: SumProVita
Nope. You started posting to me.
And all because you got your panties in a bunch over me calling the Romney/Ryan ticket boring.
In my opinion, it is.

You need to find a new person to mess with.
I believe that's all you really want to do.
269 posted on 08/11/2012 6:00:34 PM PDT by novemberslady
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To: novemberslady

Ahhhhh well. I guess you’re not a “math” person.

I like the aptitude Ryan has for numbers. Obama probably cannot even do simple algebra....let alone add (outside of what he does with our debt), subtract, etc.

It was honestly NOT my intention to harass you in any way.


270 posted on 08/11/2012 6:15:25 PM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. - Modified Descartes)
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271 posted on 08/11/2012 6:48:32 PM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93destr)
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To: mojitojoe
I have no intention of insulting your family or friends but you should inform them of their ignorance in this regard. The Dems are claiming and your family and friends seem to believe Ryan would take away their Medicare and SS. But look carefully at how it is phrased. The claim is made in this way,"Paul Ryan (Rep, Romney etc)will take away Medicare (SS) as we know it today".

These programs "as we know them today> are headed for insolvency and will of NECESSITY be changed anyway. What Ryan is suggesting will fix the plans sooner so the fix will be less painful rather then later when any cuts or tax increases will of necessity be greater. Ask your friends to explain where any Rep ever claimed to want to deprive seniors of their health care or other retirement benefits? It never happened and you must explain this to them

A very good friend of mine and a Conservative like myself were discussing (years ago) the Geo Bush plan to privatize SS. Now this guy was a previous worker on many campaigns locally and at the State level (Republican) and could be expected to know what was going on. Not so. He believed that allowing people to invest their retirement money in the Stock Market is dangerous and should not happen so he was against the SS privatization.

I explained to him that first of all the program was 100% voluntary and one could stay in the current system. Also no one over 55 could leave the present system and finally the investment vehicles would be strictly limited within the individuals retirement account to savings accounts, Cd;s our own government debt instruments and balanced equity funds. I also explained what I believed was the best feature of the proposed changes which is the retiree maintains complete ownership of the account and upon their death can have what is left passed on to their family. These are things my friend, who believed he knew what was going on did not know because he never took the time to investigate and instead watched the networks for his news. I convinced him to check out what I said and he did. He then agreed it was a good idea, explained it properly to his wife who also agreed and he said he would tell his 3 grown children.

My rather long point here is that we cannot depend only on the candidates to get their messages out through a media which is heavily biased. We all must do our part by speaking to family and friends.

272 posted on 08/12/2012 2:05:16 AM PDT by beenaround
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
Supreme Court Justice Eric Holder will be sending you a ‘Thank you’ card sometime between now and 2016.

I'm sick to death of people who don't have the slightest idea what it means to live and breathe - and yes - perhaps even die, for the concepts this nation was founded upon.

If you are willing to roll over and accept a statist liberal as your presidential nominee, then what possible good would you be to the cause of liberty in a blood and bullets fight?

Personally, I think people like that would be the first to kneel to the enemy and betray the patriots they once pretended to stand with.

273 posted on 08/12/2012 2:12:11 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: SumProVita
I like the aptitude Ryan has for numbers. Obama probably cannot even do simple algebra....let alone add (outside of what he does with our debt), subtract, etc.

If Paul Ryan was at the top of the ticket that would matter.
274 posted on 08/12/2012 5:00:34 AM PDT by novemberslady
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To: novemberslady

I think it still matters. I know that many people are praying for our nation. Romney CERTAINLY was not my choice....but I believe that God hears our prayers ...and HE can certainly make lemonade out of lemons. I believe that Ryan will have a very positive impact ... no matter where he is.

;-)

Let’s keep praying.


275 posted on 08/12/2012 8:28:01 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. - Modified Descartes)
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To: beenaround

VERY good post!

If my husband and I had been allowed to invest our SS money in a manner that we chose to....we would have far more today than we actually do.

Ryan is going to HELP people with his plan. If we go the way the Dems want....NO ONE will have any kind of social security.

And you are right....the correct information NEEDS to be spread.


276 posted on 08/12/2012 8:34:09 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. - Modified Descartes)
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To: Windflier; montanajoe

Well aren’t you two just the most wonderful “patriots” ever?

Poor babies, you didn’t get your choice as nominee so now it’s time to say kiss my as* to the rest of America, her future and all she has stood for since the landing of our Founding Fathers.

Just THINK how wonderful and righteous you will feel if the nation crumbles around you and you stand there proudly claiming “I told you so”. Good for you because YOU have principles and what can be more important then YOUR principles? Certainly not the welfare of the entire country and all her citizens present and future? LOL, what the hell, that’s not so important, certainly not as importaant as with holding your vote and thereby ADDING Obama vote to the Obama column.

Oh wait I know, you will be voting down ticket right? By doing that you can assure yourself you didn’t sit home and when it all comes apart it wasn’t the fault of you and those like you, the absolute purists. Well guess what? This asswipe of a freakin’ president has shown he has no problem telling the Congress to take a flying fu*k through a rolling donut and will bypass Congress whenever he wants. So much for voting down ticket.

Lokk up the word “Prority”. Some things are more important then others and those things will change with the situation. If your in a house on fire the first PRIORITY is to get the hell OUT of the house and not to concentrate on making sure the TV is turned off. NOW, TODAY we need to get this disaster OUT of the WH and we need to get Harry F’n Reid OUT as Senate majority leader and we cannot do that unless we put up more votes then the leeches on the left do.

Romney sucks, ok? HE SUCKS but he will be the nominee and he will be all we have so we have to do the best we can with what we have. Sitting home in a fit of juvenile petulence doesn’t do anything for Americas future.

Herew is the bottom line and it all goes back to PRIORITIES. Do you REALLY think a Romney/Ryan Admin would NOT be an improvement over the sh*t we have now? If so then do what you want but if this is what you really believe my take is you have not been paying attention to what the scumbag in the WH has brought upon us since 2009.


277 posted on 08/12/2012 9:38:39 AM PDT by beenaround
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To: beenaround
“Do you REALLY think a Romney/Ryan Admin would NOT be an improvement over the sh*t we have now?”

First let me say FU newbie...

Romney is not a conservative. I REALLY REALLY REALLY think the country electing a liberal pretending to be a conservative and supported by the GOP for potentially eight years is much worse than reelecting a liberal opposed at every step by the GOP. I'm not a Republican and I don't vote for liberals..

278 posted on 08/12/2012 10:17:53 AM PDT by montanajoe (Blame Flame Shame or Beg I won't vote for R/R)
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To: montanajoe
LOL, “Fu*k you newbie”

That it? The best you can do?

On that point if a man such as an Albert Einstein or another with a similar level of intellect were to come to this forum and register and go on to post his thoughts, would you be so derisive of them simply because they are “newbies”? If there were a football board here and Joe Montana signed on to give his thoughts would you trash him not just because you disagree with him but because he was a “newbie”

I am not claiming to have an intellect such as this but my larger point and question is what has someones time here on the forum have to do with their ideas and comments on any given subject?

I feel very strongly about getting rid of Obama and I personally think there is no greater priority today anywhere in the nation. It is my PERSONAL feeling as are my expressions of frustration with those who have a different point of view.

I think not voting for Romney is wrong not because I want Romney to win but far more because I want Obama to lose. I was not attempting to offend you with what I said and I am disappointed you had to reply as you did with profanity directed at me personally.

279 posted on 08/12/2012 10:43:31 AM PDT by beenaround
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To: beenaround
“That it? The best you can do?”

Yep I don't respect you or your opinion and I don't suffer fools...

280 posted on 08/12/2012 11:07:07 AM PDT by montanajoe (Blame Flame Shame or Beg I won't vote for R/R)
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To: montanajoe

It’s not me you don’t respect, my friend it is anyone else who has a different opinion then do you.

Never mind, there are lots of folks like you and I feel pity for all of them.

Have a nice day.


281 posted on 08/12/2012 11:11:49 AM PDT by beenaround
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