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Has Bob Beckel gone Nuts?
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Posted on 08/10/2012 10:21:26 PM PDT by Impala64ssa

A pleasant surprise. For once Bob Beckel actually making sense.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: beckel; bobbeckel; islamextremism
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1 posted on 08/10/2012 10:21:29 PM PDT by Impala64ssa
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To: Impala64ssa

Just posting the video here...

http://youtu.be/VMgy_kTl1l4


2 posted on 08/10/2012 10:24:51 PM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: tsowellfan

I went over there thinking I would be coming back and giving you somewhat of a hard time.

You were right. I was wrong.

Beckel hit this one on the nose. The way he addressed it, I wouldn’t have changed a thing.


3 posted on 08/10/2012 10:29:56 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Nope 2012)
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To: Impala64ssa

I loathe his politics, but, I’ve always liked Bob Beckel. When he’s wrong, or makes a mistake, he admits it and apologizes. More than I can say for most people involved in Politics.


4 posted on 08/10/2012 10:30:56 PM PDT by pistolpackinpapa (Why is it that you never see any Obama bumper stickers on cars going to work in the mornings?)
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To: tsowellfan

There need to be thousands more that say the same as Bob Beckel that have a microphone.


5 posted on 08/10/2012 10:32:36 PM PDT by YukonGreen
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To: Impala64ssa

6 posted on 08/10/2012 10:39:07 PM PDT by MCH
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To: Impala64ssa

Is Bob turning on barky?


7 posted on 08/10/2012 10:39:21 PM PDT by rhinohunter (DraftWalkerNow)
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To: Impala64ssa

maybe he’s drinking again


8 posted on 08/10/2012 10:40:00 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: MCH

Allow me to help you with that Bob.


9 posted on 08/10/2012 10:44:49 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Republicans Hope people are Smart, but Democrats Know people are Stupid.)
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To: Impala64ssa

No! He’s always been nuts.


10 posted on 08/10/2012 10:49:52 PM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class!)
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To: Kickass Conservative

Muslims are cowardly murders of women and girl. Time will come again when the Crusades will start again. When they back Israel into a corner, the middle east will be a nuclear waster land.


11 posted on 08/10/2012 10:50:15 PM PDT by Kozy (Calling Al Gore)
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To: Kozy

Agreed, but I was just commenting on the picture of Bob hanging himself with his Tie.

On 9/11, I learned everything I need to know about Islam.


12 posted on 08/10/2012 10:58:51 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Republicans Hope people are Smart, but Democrats Know people are Stupid.)
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To: pistolpackinpapa

I agree.

I am probably one of the few on this site that like The Five.

Beckel is pretty out there, but serves his purpose.

And gets slapped down more times than naught. Pretty fun show, imho.

He was on the mark in this instance.


13 posted on 08/10/2012 11:05:42 PM PDT by berdie
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To: pistolpackinpapa; All

Beckel is an evangelical Christian. He became one not long ago because a (very) conservative commentator colleague of his reached out to him in a time of crises—and brought him to a very good church.

I know, I was a member of that church when I lived in DC. I’ve heard Bob Beckel’s Christian testimony—and its real.


14 posted on 08/10/2012 11:10:37 PM PDT by AnalogReigns (reality is analog, not digital...)
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To: pistolpackinpapa

My earliest memories of Beckel were in the midst of the chaos campaign in defense of Bill Clinton. I had no respect whatsoever for him at the time. Since then, I have not been able to change my opinion.

If someone came along and only saw him in the mid 2000s and beyond, I can see how they might find him to be disagreeable but likeable.

I can’t.


15 posted on 08/10/2012 11:12:06 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Nope 2012)
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To: Impala64ssa
LOL- And he was just on a one day timeout on Thursday for saying the “p” word as he apparently tried to be clever in pronouncing Reince Priebus.

I also find Beckel likable a little bit, but 99 and 44/100 percent of what comes out of his mouth is not worth hearing. The rule of the stopped clock applies.

16 posted on 08/10/2012 11:16:12 PM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: Impala64ssa

Words mean nothing; action is what counts. Mohammedism must be openly declared a cult of hate; not a religion. It must be outlawed and its adherents driven out. The First Amendment does not apply here; anymore than yelling “Fire” in a movie theater.


17 posted on 08/10/2012 11:21:27 PM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: Impala64ssa

Beckels job is to say opposite of what the others say...
no matter what he actually thinks..

Its a “show” a performance.. what he is paid to do...
Same with Juan Willians.. and some others..

Its a show for the republican rubes..
Better they just have conservatives discussing issues..
At least thats more honest.. the five is even worse..

Being “fair” with liberals is STUPID.. or even delusional..
THAT is totally a republican disease... being fair...
Being fair in a war is stupid stupid stupid.. maybe suicidal..


18 posted on 08/10/2012 11:26:09 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: higgmeister
Please don't click the link if you have sensitive ears. The angry old liberal is a potty mouth.

Bob Beckel Gets Tongue-Tied Over...

Look at Guilfoyle's reaction!

19 posted on 08/10/2012 11:33:53 PM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: AnalogReigns

Beckel is playing a difficult role on the five. Whether or not he’s genuine I don’t know. He is very good at being the annoying dissenter.


20 posted on 08/11/2012 12:17:25 AM PDT by ChiMark (chewed up his body for a decade)
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To: berdie

I love THE FIVE and I DVR the show everyday to watch later. They are the smartest, funniest folks on television and I love Bob, too. You can tell his heart is really not in his defense of the Obama administration. His statements and his rationales are nuts and anyone who knows anything about what is going on can pick that up. I suspect these five and their alternates are buddies who have a great time together off the set. When Bob gets out of line, he gets taken to the woodshed PRONTO!


21 posted on 08/11/2012 2:17:48 AM PDT by jazzlite (esat)
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To: AnalogReigns

Beckel is a MEAN, CYNICAL guy.....Plus he;s a HUGE LIAR! I MUTE The FIVE when he is on.


22 posted on 08/11/2012 2:44:16 AM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: DoughtyOne

He was on Sunday nite Crossfire with Lynne Cheney and he was always so mean and rude to her, that he would have to apologize after the commercial!!


23 posted on 08/11/2012 2:49:14 AM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Impala64ssa

I like the “Five” but can’t stand Bob who is a foul mouth wacko who appears either insane or drunk most of the time. I have to mute to get past his crazy remarks. I wish they could find a decent Democrat for the show but maybe there isn’t any.


24 posted on 08/11/2012 3:15:08 AM PDT by jrcats (Hope & Change= No Hope & only changes that tries to destroy America)
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To: hosepipe
Hit the nail on the head:
And by "others" I hope you include Colmes and O'Reilly.
25 posted on 08/11/2012 3:23:55 AM PDT by norton
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To: AnalogReigns
Beckel is an evangelical Christian. He became one not long ago because a (very) conservative commentator colleague of his reached out to him in a time of crises?and brought him to a very good church.

I know, I was a member of that church when I lived in DC. I?ve heard Bob Beckel?s Christian testimony?and its real.

Pray tell how his behavior squares with his "new found faith". Hard to see any evidence in his public behavior.

Like a great many alcoholics/former alcoholics he's a dry drunk. Alcohol was not his problem, character flaws were and remain his problem. The booze was his excuse for his behavior. "I didn't mean to say or do that, demon rum made me do it.". Well, supposedly he's now dry, yet the behavior is unchanged. His words are as poisonous and vitriolic as before. So I ask, where is the manifestation of his new found faith?

You say you know his church. Well then name it. Obama supposedly attended a Christian church for twenty years lead by his Rev. Wright. Will you excuse Obama on the grounds of his faith?

26 posted on 08/11/2012 3:26:25 AM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: berdie

“I am probably one of the few on this site that like The Five.”

Count me in, too. I may not always agree with them, but it is fun.


27 posted on 08/11/2012 4:35:58 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: Impala64ssa

Dont watch “the Five” very often but

Beckel has seemed subdued lately, I figured he was finally on antidepressants and getting the therapy he needs, not from a bottle. The other hosts of “the Five” treat him very well


28 posted on 08/11/2012 5:24:00 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: Kozy
The Crusades were trivial in their impact on the Middle East. The Turks ~ now they did a job on the place!

Learning from the Turks we took the Islamic Caliphate after WWI and tore it apart into dozens of new countries!

That simplified the military aspects of what amounts to a continuing Western occupation ~ they occupy themselves and keep down the total aggregate level of violence directed at us. We can then focus only on the serious trouble spots.

Unfortunately OIL gets in the way of being able to do the job neatly, but the general outline has worked well since the dissolution of the Caliphate.

29 posted on 08/11/2012 5:30:17 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: ChiMark
Whether or not he’s genuine I don’t know. He is very good at being the annoying dissenter..

He is 'old' Democrat; and no question, he is 'authentic'. One can not doubt his sincerity; nor for that matter; his myopia per his own Party politics. As often as I get disgusted by him; I just cannot 'not' like him.

30 posted on 08/11/2012 5:34:23 AM PDT by cricket (http://voteron2012.com/)
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To: Covenantor

Beckel is definitely a dry drunk. I’ve known many over the years. Typically a person that dry, not sober, and that angry won’t stay dry.

Personally, I don’t understand how anyone can be a Christian and a democrat.


31 posted on 08/11/2012 5:36:19 AM PDT by Terry Mross (To my kin & former friends: Don't contact me if you still love obama- We got nothing to talk about)
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To: jrcats

I can stand The Five when Juan Williams subs for the obnoxious Beefy Bob.

One can disagree without being disagreeable, or something like that.

Any fallout from Beckel labeling Jews as “diamond merchants”?


32 posted on 08/11/2012 5:42:46 AM PDT by elcid1970 (Nuke Mecca now. Death to Islam means freedom for all mankind. Deus vult!)
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To: AnalogReigns

That is very good to know. Thanks.


33 posted on 08/11/2012 5:43:44 AM PDT by outinyellowdogcountry
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To: AnalogReigns

That may be so, but he regularly violates the 2nd, 9nth and 10nth Commandments.


34 posted on 08/11/2012 5:50:15 AM PDT by csmusaret (I will give Obama credit for one thing- he is living proof that familiarity breeds contempt.)
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To: berdie

I like the the Five, too. Its pretty spontaneous and I like that.


35 posted on 08/11/2012 5:56:39 AM PDT by Dudoight
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To: Ann Archy

He’s basically scum.

He was recently on FoxNews (I Believe it was ‘the Five’) and he fired off some vitriol that would have gotten any Right Wing person fired. He had to apologize once again.

I’d take him off the air.


36 posted on 08/11/2012 6:13:41 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Nope 2012)
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To: Impala64ssa

This was the same episode he made a comment about Romney going to Israel to gather money from “diamond merchants.” It was a bad day for him, and the muslim comments seemed like fake (or exaggerated) outrage to me.


37 posted on 08/11/2012 6:35:39 AM PDT by PghBaldy
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To: csmusaret

Oh, you’ve seen Beckel bowing down to idols, lying, and coveting?

Just because leaders in the Democrat party do that...and people gullibly believe them, doesn’t make Democrat-believers guilty....sorry.

It’s wrong to mix partisan politics and religion.


38 posted on 08/11/2012 8:11:04 AM PDT by AnalogReigns (reality is analog, not digital...)
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To: AnalogReigns

I am happy Mr. Beckel has had, according to your information, a change of heart regarding Christ. But political belief and religious belief are in fact inseparable. Not in the denominational sense, of course, but in the natural law sense, upon which our Constitution and its form of government is based.

As for Mr. Beckel’s conformance to the Ten Commandments, I take him to be a sincere person who has up till now expressed an uncritical support for people and ideas which clearly do run against the divine law.

Socialism in particular, especially when it has metastasized to communism, is the setting up of the State as a direct and intentional substitute for God, from whom one is expected to derive all sustenance, all moral guidance, even the creation or destruction of any and all rights. This is brazen idolatry, and violates both the first and the second commandments.

The tenth commandment is to not covet your neighbor’s stuff. Yet socialism demands covetousness as a requirement of its evangelists, because it is for lack of having my neighbors income, or my neighbor’s genes, or my neighbor’s gender, that I am supposed to acquire the “moral courage” to demand equality. Nothing could be more profoundly anti-God, and more like something forged in the bowels of Hades, than this requirement of socialism to defy the very heart of God’s law.

As for lying (or more precisely bringing false testimony against one’s neighbor), I am happy to give Mr. Beckel the benefit of the doubt and assume he is personally honest as far as any fallen human can be. But again, socialism, because it defies the natural law, is denying reality itself, and is necessarily built on a foundation of lies, and requires its best practitioners to use lies as a means of “creating new truth.”

Therefore, to the extent Mr. Beckel is a “true believer,” he is merely an innocent dupe of more obscure and cynical figures hiding in the shadows. But to the extent he uses party spin without a moral reference point to check him, he must own that as contributing with intent to the deception of innocent people.

Conversion experiences are great, but if God is genuinely involved, there will be profound changes to how a person conducts their life. The Holy Spirit will not leave a person comfortable with evil. If he has become a person led by God’s Spirit, I have every confidence he will eventually forsake the public evil of his support for liberal policies and persons. But all in God’s good time.


39 posted on 08/11/2012 8:49:17 AM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Impala64ssa
Has Bob Beckel gone Nuts?

Bob Bekel hasn't gone nuts, he's gone honest and real - won't go over well with his liberal friends...

That said, even when the spouting liberal garbage, he's basically a good man. In the old days there were liberals who believed in making the world better - not just saying it so they could con ignorant victim groups... Beckel's from that earlier group...

40 posted on 08/11/2012 10:16:21 AM PDT by GOPJ (Freeper Neveronmywatch's convinced: Put a compass in the hands of a liberal it'll point south.)
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To: AnalogReigns

Beckel is an Obama kool aid drinker and, like all Democrats, he covets the fruits of other peoples labor. He supports the killing of millions of un born children. He lies to spread Democrat propaganda. Every person who professes Christ as savior is not an honorable person or without sin. It is wrong for you to use religion as an excuse for sins committed in the name of partisan poloitics.


41 posted on 08/11/2012 10:18:23 AM PDT by csmusaret (I will give Obama credit for one thing- he is living proof that familiarity breeds contempt.)
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To: Springfield Reformer

It would seem to me by your criteria mentioned for being a Christian, no citizens of the UK, Ireland, Germany, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Poland, France, Italy, Canada, Japan, etc. who likes their own country’s government, could possibly be a Christian, since all are more socialist than the USA.

Of course the USA is quite socialist in certain areas, (with very bipartisan support) like agriculture, medicare & social security.

So are Christians who receive benefits in those areas defective, compromising, Christians?

I agree, socialism moves toward substituting government for God—and it is no accident that some of the most socialist countries in the world are also the most godless... However its a very broad brush to judge some individual you do not know—except for his political rhetoric—as to his individual devotion to Jesus Christ.

There are unfortunately a lot of conservatives...going to hell...and not a few socialists...who aren’t. Who knows what ratio—and that doesn’t contradict that limited government is indeed a better system, for godly people anyway.

Again, very dangerous, regarding individuals, to mix politics and religion in evaluating them.

You have no idea where they are coming from or where they are going...


42 posted on 08/11/2012 12:23:14 PM PDT by AnalogReigns (reality is analog, not digital...)
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To: csmusaret

Beckel was once an ardent abortion supporter.

He now is firmly pro-life—an immediate change when he gave his life to Jesus Christ.

Is it inconsistent to be pro-life and support Democrats? Yes, definitely.

Does it take time for people to work through and learn of their own inconsistencies?

Yes again.


43 posted on 08/11/2012 12:29:08 PM PDT by AnalogReigns (reality is analog, not digital...)
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To: pistolpackinpapa
"Gone"? As in recently? Some questionable assumptions going on there.

I loathe his politics, but, I’ve always liked Bob Beckel. When he’s wrong, or makes a mistake, he admits it and apologizes.

I never could stand him. But the way the other Four get along with him is endearing in a way. Sort of like the crazy old uncle who everybody humors and puts up with because attacking him would be cruel.

44 posted on 08/11/2012 12:31:20 PM PDT by x
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To: AnalogReigns

Is it inconsistent to be pro-life and support Democrats? Yes, definitely.

Inconsistent? No. Impossible.


45 posted on 08/11/2012 12:31:59 PM PDT by csmusaret (I will give Obama credit for one thing- he is living proof that familiarity breeds contempt.)
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To: GOPJ
Bob Bekel hasn't gone nuts, he's gone honest and real - won't go over well with his liberal friends...

That said, even when the spouting liberal garbage, he's basically a good man. In the old days there were liberals who believed in making the world better - not just saying it so they could con ignorant victim groups... Beckel's from that earlier group...

Exactly. One can call him a dupe, but he simply believes the Dem PR, like a lot of well-meaning democrats out there.

It doesn't do Conservatism any good to unfairly demonize our opposition. There are real demons out there...and they aren't people.

46 posted on 08/11/2012 12:35:07 PM PDT by AnalogReigns (reality is analog, not digital...)
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To: csmusaret

That’s right, all democrats are going to hell.</sarc>

Wow, what planet are you from?


47 posted on 08/11/2012 12:39:19 PM PDT by AnalogReigns (reality is analog, not digital...)
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To: norton

[ And by “others” I hope you include Colmes and O’Reilly. ]

Colmes is paid to be stupid, but O’Really is different ..
He wants to become the current Walter Cronkite.. and is pretty much..

He could care less about patriotism like Walter..
Both were/are poseurs.. actors.. opportunists..
Bill bends over backwards to “fair”.. like a teenager..
He wants to appear tough but isn’t.. he is a coward..

But he does go on the attack every now and again as long as he is safe..
Problem is literally EVERYONE ELSE is worse than him..
Making him appear courageous..


48 posted on 08/11/2012 1:55:14 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: AnalogReigns

1. My “judgment” is not of individuals or groups, but of a system. If I failed to communicate that, I apologize. However, a conversion experience is not a blank check to continue in obvious, public sin, as is the case with active promotion of socialist policy. How would you avoid “judging” someone who claimed to become a Christian, but continued, for example, to be a professional stripper?

The injunction of Jesus not to judge is not a suicide pact with reason and wisdom, for he also teaches we should judge with righteous judgment, again, not in the pharisaic sense of self-righteous superiority he condemned, but in the sense of wisdom and discernment, the application of godly truth to every decision of a believer’s life, including who to trust and who not to trust. Until Beckel disavows the godless essence of his past socialist rhetoric, as you call it, I have no more basis for trusting his profession of faith than I do the conversion of, say, an abortion doctor who keeps on killing innocent babies.

2. Again, God brings judgment on nations too for their collective rejection of Him, which socialism does, root and branch. But unlike Beckel, the vast majority of people in socialist countries have not made it their life’s mission to promote the wickedness; they are just being swept along with a political tide they do not fully understand. As Jesus said, few stripes for the less culpable and more stripes for the self-designated intelligentsia.

3. Which gets us to the “dangerous” practice of obeying Christ in all areas of one’s life, including politics. I don’t know how to be a “partial Christian,” segmenting my mental life into compartments, some of which Christ may rule, and other parts from which he is forbidden. Nor do I know of any other reasonable person who intentionally leaves their basis for moral reasoning, whatever it is, out of their public decision making. We bring to the table who we are. We obey certain rules of respect for the denominational beliefs of others, but we do not act in a moral vacuum. People who do not see abortion, for example, as murder, will vote for public policy that results in the killing of innocent babies. Private beliefs do necessarily affect public decision making. That’s just the way it is. Better to acknowledge it and move public policy in a direction compatible with divine law, than to pretend neutrality and move public policy toward that which invites the judgment of God.

Peace,

SR


49 posted on 08/11/2012 5:50:19 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: hosepipe
I always thought that Colmes was paid just to irritate me;
Guess I need to reevaluate that whole "center of the universe" thing.

O'Reily is a bully, maybe because he was always too tall for most people to challenge.
Bullies are usually cowards when confronted, so you're apt to be correct.

Just as odious is that (despite his oft repeated admonitions to the audience) he is not only bloviator but, due to a lack of core values, he can bloviate out of both sides of his mouth. (Or some orifice.)

All of which leads me to wonder how or why Dennis Miller readily teams up with him, I'd hoped Miller had higher standards than that.

50 posted on 08/11/2012 11:05:30 PM PDT by norton
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