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Decision By Netanyahu, Barak To Strike Iran Is Almost Final -- Israel TV
The Times of Israel ^ | August 11, 2012

Posted on 08/11/2012 6:30:11 AM PDT by Fennie

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Defense Minister Ehud Barak have "almost finally" decided on an Israeli strike at Iran's nuclear facilities this fall, and a final decision will be taken "soon", Israel's main TV news broadcast reported on Friday evening.

Channel 2 News, the country's leading news program, devoted much of its Friday night broadcast to the issue, detailing the pros and cons that, it said, have taken Netanyahu and Barak to the brink of approving an Israeli military attack despite opposition from the Obama administration and from many Israeli security chiefs.

Critically, the station's diplomatic correspondent Udi Segal said, Israel does not believe that the US will take military action as Iran closes in on the bomb.

The US, the TV report said, has not provided Israel with details of an attack plan. President Obama has not promised to attack Iran if all else fails. Conditions cited by Defense Secretary Leon Panetta for an American attack do not calm Israeli concerns. And Obama has a record of seeking UN and Arab League approval before action. All these factors, in Jerusalem's mind, underline the growing conviction of Netanyahu and Barak that Israel will have to tackle Iran alone, the TV report said.

Israel's leaders have also noted that president George W. Bush vowed repeatedly that North Korea would not be allowed to attain a nuclear weapons capability -- a vow that proved empty.

Obama does not want to intervene militarily before the presidential elections in November, and it is doubtful that he would act afterwards, runs the Israeli assessment, the TV report said. Obama may believe that the US can live with a nuclear Iran, but Israel cannot, the report quoted those in "Netanyahu's circle" as saying.

As for presidential challenger Mitt Romney, he takes a more forceful position, but would probably not have the domestic support necessary to act in the first year of his presidency, if elected, and after that it would be too late.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Israel
KEYWORDS: iran; israel; netanyahu; nucleariran; obama

1 posted on 08/11/2012 6:30:17 AM PDT by Fennie
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To: Fennie

October Surprise


2 posted on 08/11/2012 6:31:38 AM PDT by KenD
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To: Fennie

The Magic Mushrooms will bloom over Iran. I wonder if Syria and Egypt want a few, or is there some sanity there? Probably not.


3 posted on 08/11/2012 6:38:24 AM PDT by MasterGunner01 (11)
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To: KenD

October Non-Surprise.

October Predictable.

October Essential.

October Calculated.

October With Full Media Cooperation.


4 posted on 08/11/2012 6:38:44 AM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: KenD

Or hype to keep poll nubers up for BO


5 posted on 08/11/2012 6:41:30 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: Fennie

The grim reality is that this has to happen, and it is going to happen. Iran has brought this on themselves.


6 posted on 08/11/2012 6:42:33 AM PDT by AmonAmarth (Wherever you go...There you are)
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To: Fennie
(1) If true, this is years too late. I was wondering why they didn't do it back in 2007! (2) Why does the debate have to be conducted on the front page? The headline should have read: "Decision By Netanyahu, Barak To Strike Iran Is Final -- Bombing and Special Forces Ground Assault in Progress -- Obama Notified just After Tehran Received Reports from Target Locations."
7 posted on 08/11/2012 6:46:36 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: dalebert

I’m not so sure this would benefit Obama. In fact, I think just the opposite is true. Romney/Ryan can forcefully argue that Obama’s complete failure in dealing with Iran, especially keeping silent during the failed Green Revolution, is the reason that Israel had to act. Top that off with Obama’s probable refusal to support Israel in their actions and you have just given Romney a huge opportunity.


8 posted on 08/11/2012 6:47:51 AM PDT by newheart (At what point does policy become treason?)
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To: Fennie

Oh THAT Barack....


9 posted on 08/11/2012 6:50:05 AM PDT by Kozak (The means of defence against foreign danger, have been always the instruments of tyranny at home JM)
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To: Fennie

The oil price game and crisis is starting... oh yeah... bribe those Obama cops and become a f@g, or stick to your guns. This is going to be fun.


10 posted on 08/11/2012 6:55:41 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: Fennie; Allegra; big'ol_freeper; Lil'freeper; TrueKnightGalahad; blackie; Cincinatus' Wife; ...
It is with a heavy heart that I must report that Israel has attacked Iran... and as Commander in Chief I have ordered our military forces in the Mid-East to do what they must.

And even as I report we have now lost two our our aircraft carriers... and many thousand of our fighting sailors--

I must demand all Jewish voters, especially those of you in Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania... remember on November 6, I did it all for you!

11 posted on 08/11/2012 6:57:17 AM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: Fennie

Make sure Iran knows they’re coming.

Something’s squirrelly.


12 posted on 08/11/2012 6:58:04 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Fennie

It looks like some interpreted the headline to mean that Obama supports an Israeli strike on Iran. I expect he’ll try to prevent a strike on Iran.

But a strike is totally justified and has been for years. Starting with the late Ayatollah Khomeini, more or less installed by Jimmy Carter, up to Ahmnanutterjob, four or five of the principal Iranian leaders have called for wiping Israel off the map.


13 posted on 08/11/2012 7:00:04 AM PDT by Will88
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To: newheart
I’m not so sure this would benefit Obama...

Of course, you're right.
Furthermore, it would doom Obama's chances by stripping him of the support of the militant peace movement and possibly the Nobel Peace prize.

Now, you do realize that this is all talk. Regardless of what he may say, Barack doesn't have the slightest intention of bombing Iran or anything whatsoever in that regard. Reminds me of his expressed intention to drill offshore before the oil spill. I knew without a doubt he wouldn't do it and wondered what pretext he would use to flip-flop; that's why when the platform explosion happened, I immediately assumed he had engineered it.

14 posted on 08/11/2012 7:06:48 AM PDT by stormhill
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To: stormhill

My bad; this plan has nothing to do with Obama. It’s the Israelis.


15 posted on 08/11/2012 7:10:29 AM PDT by stormhill
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To: Fennie
This isn't an intellectual exercise but a fight for existence. When Israel says, “Never Again”, they actually mean it.
16 posted on 08/11/2012 7:11:35 AM PDT by JPG (Make it happen.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Fennie.
Obama does not want to intervene militarily before the presidential elections in November, and it is doubtful that he would act afterwards... may believe that the US can live with a nuclear Iran... Mitt Romney... takes a more forceful position, but would probably not have the domestic support necessary to act in the first year of his presidency, if elected, and after that it would be too late.
Iran fights by proxy; the one time the mullahcracy fought a conventional war was when Saddam's Iraq invaded the Iranian oil fields, claiming them as Arab land.

And Iran's good at it.

Right now Iran serves as the major distraction and diversion; they've armed the Hizzies in Lebanon and support protests and/or armed uprisings in Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, various other spots in Asia and Africa.

Hamas and the so-called PA have been charmed away (cut off from other funding) by the Saudis, who supposedly claimed they'd support a US-Israeli mission against Iran, but would shoot down Israeli planes trying to do it solo. The Israelis will not be intimidated by this of course, and have a number of options.

Egypt's new Islamofascist leader has met with the Saudis, has bitched about the Sadat-era treaty with Israel, and has claimed to want closer ties with Iran.

Turkey's not as far off as one might think from joining Syria in the list of failed states. It has no friendly neighbors (not entirely their fault, either) and has alienated its only two stalwart allies -- the US and Israel.

Jordan has had large protests, and though it's easy to forget now, looked like it was headed for regime change around the time Egypt was. Jordan's only reliable neighbor is Israel, with which it has a peace treaty (1994); both Syria and Saudi Arabia wouldn't mind seeing the Hashemite realm erased from world maps, and the Assad dynasty in Syria has illegally withheld part of Jordan's natural water supply. So, Jordan's response has been to make sure Israel has good intel (fell on deaf ears in 1973 though) while publicly acting like the Arab a-holes they consider their brothers.

Israel is going to be attacked both conventionally and unconventionally as soon as Syria has a single, stable regime again. It'll be much better if that never happens.


17 posted on 08/11/2012 7:12:42 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Fennie
When is the 1st full moon after Nov 6th ?:-)...

I think if Romney wins they would be wheels up for their own survival but do it to piss off Obama when he is a lame duck, and can't do $&it about it and give him no bump....

Schadenfreude baby..

18 posted on 08/11/2012 7:13:49 AM PDT by taildragger (( Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: stormhill
My bad; this plan has nothing to do with Obama. It’s the Israelis.

I was going to point that out, but I figured you'd get it. ;-)

19 posted on 08/11/2012 7:14:24 AM PDT by newheart (At what point does policy become treason?)
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To: Fennie

I hope and pray that Iran does not have a workable device now as this could trigger an attack on Israel with the use it or lose it mentality.


20 posted on 08/11/2012 7:40:08 AM PDT by jesseam (eliev)
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To: MasterGunner01
I wonder if Syria and Egypt want a few, or is there some sanity there?

With the successful overthrow of Egypt's Mubarak and the current civil war in Syria, those two substantial opponents of Israel have been temporarily marginalized and do not pose a significant threat or provide a roadblock to Israel's target, Iran. The timing for Israel is indeed favorable.............

21 posted on 08/11/2012 7:51:02 AM PDT by varon
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To: stormhill

>>Furthermore, it would doom Obama’s chances by stripping him of the support of the militant peace movement and possibly the Nobel Peace prize.

I disagree. To the Anti-Israel factions, he will be “attempting to restore order to the region by cleaning up a mess started by the Jewish people occupying Palestine.”

To the Pro-Israel faction, he will be “supporting Israel in a war that has been a long time coming.”


22 posted on 08/11/2012 7:52:10 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Fennie

This will be Obama’s excuse to cancel elections.


23 posted on 08/11/2012 7:56:59 AM PDT by eak3
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To: Fennie

Time to inventory your preps and make sure you haven’t forgotten anything.


24 posted on 08/11/2012 7:59:45 AM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: Fennie

I put no stock in these announcements, whether formal or leaked. They are, themselves, all tactics in the diplomatic contest. War may come. It may come this evening, but the event will have no actual relationship to these things.


25 posted on 08/11/2012 8:20:31 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson)
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To: dagogo redux

If the kenyan thinks he is going to lose in November then he will lquite possibly go for war against Iran before then. Israel, at this point probably does not want to do it before the election if the Israelis think Romney will win because or the likelihood that war will get the kenyan reelected. Obama has consistently backed and promoted Sunni takeovers of Moslem countries and probably does not want to see Shiite Iran gain hegemony. He may tell Israel to “do it” and Israel may tell him “later.”


26 posted on 08/11/2012 8:26:18 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson)
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To: Fennie
must be total BS. Does anyone here believe that Israel would release this information if this were true? Natanyahu is a very smart man so I figure he has a reason to let this get out. I don't know what that reason is but he does. I'm not saying that at some point he wont do it.
27 posted on 08/11/2012 9:06:21 AM PDT by fish hawk (phobos)
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To: Fennie

I don’t care what Israel does, but I don’t want the USA involved in another war in the ME.

We need to get out now and start taking care of the USA and rebuilding our finances and our economy. Can’t do it when we are spending more on war than we make. It wouldn’t bother me if they all go at it, and turn the area into glass. It’s been a costly thorn in our side and that would dis-involve us. We better be prepared for $10 gas.


28 posted on 08/11/2012 11:39:44 AM PDT by apoliticalone (Honest govt. that operates in the interest of US sovereignty and the people, not global $$$)
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To: onedoug

-—”Make sure Iran knows they’re coming.

Something’s squirrelly.”

Maybe they’re going to use a neutron bomb and Iran doesn’t stand a chance anyway?


29 posted on 08/11/2012 12:16:00 PM PDT by AlanGreenSpam (Obama: The First 'American IDOL' President - sponsored by Chicago NeoCom Thugs)
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To: Pollster1

To the extent that Iran has any real defensive capability, they have “stuff” but not much depth so far as I can tell and it all depends on Russian support to keep running, the public pronouncements have the interesting effect of rattling the Persian’s cage so to speak. If they don’t get jumpy and move a few things around it means they can’t or don’t actually have anything important. They aren’t smart enough to do fake blocking moves so every thing they move is a give-away.
But I’ve always said the easy way to take them out of nuclear production is to destroy their energy grid which, incidentally, would take the whole bunch back to 1920. Nuclear enrichment takes large qtys or both electricity and water-——blasting either one will have them skipping laundry days for a long time. It’s not exactly necessary to try to hit the best protected facility they have, which is also the most likely place they have air defenses.


30 posted on 08/11/2012 12:58:39 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: KenD
Nope.

Just another one of these.

31 posted on 08/11/2012 5:22:58 PM PDT by itsahoot (Old people cost too much money. They make lots of typos too.)
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To: AmonAmarth

“Their blood be upon their own heads”...


32 posted on 08/11/2012 10:00:05 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: Pollster1

One reason why they wait until now is because they probably now have very real targets, more advanced weaponry, and all other options are truly exhausted. To the first issue particularly, if they hit facilities that are 3 years from completion then the Iranians would only be 3 years closer to rebuilding them. Destroying them just before they go online sets them back to square one. And like I said, the honorable thing to do is to wait until there are no more options. This attack won’t be pretty, or easy, and will cause Israel a lot of international condemnation and scorn (what else is new, I know) but at least they could honestly say that they tried every other avenue and this was a last resort. Worse, Israel will probably take damage and casualties from an attack by Hezbullah in Lebanon and hamas in Gaza. Fortunately Syria is distracted.


33 posted on 08/11/2012 10:24:41 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: monkeyshine

Somehow, Turkey is ticked at Israel,too. Israel doesn’t need that. While not a superpower by any means, Turks are pretty scrappy. And I don’t believe Israel will use nukes in a preemptive strike. I don’t really believe they will use them unless they are nuked. and a conventional war with Iran could be very costly. Iran is a pretty big country. all good reasons try everything else first,IMHO


34 posted on 08/12/2012 6:22:15 PM PDT by Quickgun (Second Amendment. The only one you can put your hands on.)
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To: Bender2; Fennie; Allegra; big'ol_freeper; Lil'freeper; TrueKnightGalahad; blackie; ...

Barry be about to “Wag the Dog.”


35 posted on 08/12/2012 8:28:16 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Choose: Ineligible Marxist Mad Dog or Mild-Mannered Mormon Milquetoast)
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To: onedoug
So many loose lips in Israel and all over the world have been rambling on and on about an attack on this or that date using this or that many Israeli F-15Is will be used, what direction they will be coming in from, which sites are to be hit with which ordnance. This is the most absurd military situation in history. The most talked about, debated, lectured, press-released military attack in history when, in fact, it will be like the North Korean suprise of OH? REALLY? You detonated a bomb??? Gee whiz!

The so called world community is a rotted hull of empty words where the Jews and Israelis will have their backs to the wall once again and forced to act, only to be condemned by the very parties who give a sigh of relief after the deed is done. Why does a threatened population of 5.6 million Jews have to take out the planet's dirty laundry once again! The Israelis neutralized Saddam's Iraq in 1981, Syria's Assad in 2007 and now, they have to do this again? All Alone??????

36 posted on 08/12/2012 11:44:18 PM PDT by Netz (Netz)
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To: MasterGunner01

America is going to get hit, too.

Leftists, jihadists, open border invaders, diversity racists...gun confiscation, martial law...Russia?..it’s going to get as ugly as Dear Reader, his treasonous media, and his warty, moldy czars in America.

I pray that is not so, but it all looks pretty bad and the GOP won’t protect the country. The military and Homeland inSecurity is naming the Tea Party, Christians, constitutionalists and other conseratives as the domestic terrorists theatening global progress and rule.

If America gets out from under these freaks without suffering terrible violence, it will be a miracle.


37 posted on 08/13/2012 1:16:27 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: SunkenCiv; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; ...
The Israelis will not be intimidated by this of course, and have a number of options.

The casual tone of many of the the "Attack Iran" conversations on this site are extremely disturbing, at least to me. The military option seems to me to be nowhere near "on the table" for many reasons. To begin with, Iran is larger than Western Europe, making it a much better missile target (for thousands of missiles) than an airplane objective, especially since Israel has no bases within range and would have to refuel over hostile airspace. Even if all the potential targets were known, it would be impossible to prevent immediate missile retaliation against Israel. Iran took a million KIA against Iraq and would not be passive in the face of even an overwhelming attack. In addition, many of the primary "nuclear" targets are underground and doubtless hardened to the point where a pinpoint nuclear attack would probably be the only option. The idea of a limited strike against nuclear plant targets only seems also a non-starter to me.

Any military action against Iran would have to be at the very least, on the scale of a Gulf War III. I sincerely hope Obama is not entertaining any thoughts of an October Surprise in Iran. I'm fairly certain the Israelis aren't.

There is also the usually unspoken issue of the Shiite mindset. Their theology calls for an Armageddon, in which the Earth is to be wiped clean by fire, so that Allah The All Wise can remake it as a Shiite Earthly Paradise, with no bad Muslims (i.e., non-Shiites,) and certainly no Infidels. Defeat does not matter. After all their highest holy day celebrates the loss of the Battle of Karbala and they march in the streets inflicting terrible wounds on themselves until the parade route runs with blood.

You ain't dealing with Presbyterian People from Peoria.

38 posted on 08/13/2012 7:53:16 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Choose: Ineligible Muslim Marxist Mad Dog or Mild-Mannered Mormon Milquetoast)
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To: Kenny Bunk

Thanks KB. The Iranians plan to strike first, but it will be against the US; the diplomatic and other manuevers going on right now are being done to hamstring our other enemies so they don’t dogpile on when the mullaholes try to shut off the oil and launch street level terror attacks here on US soil.


39 posted on 08/13/2012 4:31:13 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Fennie

I think Benji is seriously pushing Zero’s buttons. Zero’s gonna’ have to buy himself a whole drawer of new undies!


40 posted on 08/13/2012 6:38:12 PM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: Fennie

I believe it was General Sherman who said “War is the remedy our enemies have chosen, and I say give them all they want.”


41 posted on 08/16/2012 4:08:02 PM PDT by mulder1 ("The past is prologue.")
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To: newheart

I like the way you think.


42 posted on 08/16/2012 4:10:10 PM PDT by Churchillspirit (9/11/2001. NEVER FORGET.)
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