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Democrats Pass Illegay Tax on 825,000 Rural Californians Who Vote Mostly Republican
GATE ^ | 8/11/12 | Chuck Wolk

Posted on 08/11/2012 8:24:13 AM PDT by OneVike


California Democrats joined Jerry Brown in passing an illegal fire fee for every habitable structure found on a land owners property. Most Californians were under the belief that fire protection was a basic government service? Well, not if you are a Democrat.

The unusual fire charge for rural areas, was pushed through by Gov. Jerry Brown, and styled as a fee and not a tax to avoid a ballot measure requiring a two-thirds vote of approval. Called "The State Responsibility Area Fire Prevention Benefit Fee", it was signed into law last year. The law requires homeowners in designated fire-prone areas to pay an annual fee of $150 for each habitable structure on a parcel. A $35 discount applies to properties that are already protected by an organized fire agency.

If you believe in the rule of law, then you must agree with Jon Coupal of the Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association, who calls this an illegal tax. Republican Senator George Runner who's with the "Board of Equalization" says this is being done to pay the ongoing infrastructure for "Cal Fire". He claims that the fee paid by a homeowner may not even benefit the homeowners paying the fee, and therefore it is a tax. Well Coupal and Runner are being polite, because as far as I'm concerned, this is just scheme by Jerry Brown and the Democrats to get around Proposition 13, to collect money for the purpose of shoveling it to their Union buddies. One could also argue that it's being done on the backs of Californians who overwhelmingly vote Republican.

The Democrats and Jerry brown may claim this is just a "fire prevention fee" to help fires, but the truth is that the millions collected will just end up being used to fund Cal-FIRE's existing bureaucracy rather than expand the state's fire prevention efforts. What we have here is just another example of Democrats using the government to tax the people who never voted for them. Rural Californians vote Republicans, and it is Republican voters who are getting hit with this illegal tax. A tax by the way that will not benefit them because the money will never be used to help local agencies nor be used to prevent wildland fires at the local level.

If the Democrats are serious about preventing fires, then let the citizens of rural California start chopping trees down in areas that are fire prone. Then the areas will get cleared and when the trees do burn they will be burned in controlled containers called fire places and wood stoves to warm the homes in the winter. I get tired of watching all that good firewood burning during on a hot summer day, when it could be put to good use.

I am heartened by the Republicans plan to fight this illegal law. There are two arguments the Republicans can use. One is to fight it on the grounds that the fee is actually a tax, which would means it requires a 2/3rds majority for passage, not a simple majority. The second way is to use the fact that it unfairly taxes residents twice, because many already pay their counties for the fire services.

Remember, while Jerry brown is in the process of closing state parks to save money, he and the Democrats have found a way to tax the voters who do not vote for them by leveling this fee on rural Californians. All this at a time when it has been revealed that the State parks dept has $54 million in hidden funds no one knew about until just recently. To make it even worse we also just learned that the state owes almost 7 billion to retired teachers for benefits normal Californians will never enjoy. I think it is time that all Californians wake up to the stench that is the Democrat party that rules the roost of California politics.

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These bastards are literally taxing Republican constituents illegally. They would not dare tax their voters in the big cities.
1 posted on 08/11/2012 8:24:26 AM PDT by OneVike
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This illegal tax in California on the rural citizens who overwhelmingly vote Republican is just another shot by the Democrats to take down those they disagree with. They have no qualms about destroying the citizens who vote against them.

Look who always gets hit with the burden of paying for the programs and tax hikes the left conjures up. It is those who traditionally vote Republican, the white working middle white class. These people of the Democrat party are evil, and they need to be voted out, or one day there will be blood in the streets.

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2 posted on 08/11/2012 8:28:05 AM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: OneVike
The unusual fire charge for rural areas, was pushed through by Gov. Jerry Brown, and styled as a fee and not a tax to avoid a ballot measure requiring a two-thirds vote of approval.

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John Roberts will take care of the conversion for him.

3 posted on 08/11/2012 8:29:22 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: OneVike

We lived out in the country (fire-prone country) and had 4 buildings on our property (3 were habitable, but they could probably decide that the horse barn was habitable, too, and tax us for that). Thank God, I no longer live in California!


4 posted on 08/11/2012 8:31:16 AM PDT by MomofMarine
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To: Carry_Okie

Ping for interest.


5 posted on 08/11/2012 8:32:02 AM PDT by sauropod (Only two of God's creatures can employ the term "we": newspaper editors and men with tapeworms-Hayes)
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To: OneVike
Coming soon to a country that we love. As California goes, so goes the nation. Just a few years later. I am heartbroken. California will vote themselves into complete insolvency and, if Obama wins in November, we the taxpayers of the USA will bail them out. Bye-bye successful, prosperous America. Every one of you who won't vote for Romney will be a party to the dissolution of America as we knew it.
6 posted on 08/11/2012 8:34:42 AM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: OneVike

Dhimmi jizya.


7 posted on 08/11/2012 8:36:40 AM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: moder_ator
Could you correct the word Illegal in the title? I screwed up and somehow replaced the "L" with a "Y".
8 posted on 08/11/2012 8:38:29 AM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: OneVike
Democrats Pass Illegay Tax on 825,000 Rural Californians Who Vote Mostly Republican

So I'm guessing that since it's California it would pretty much have to be some kind of gay tax if the targets are rural Republicans.
9 posted on 08/11/2012 8:39:31 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: OneVike

My county has a notice about this fee on it’s web site.

There is a link to the corresponding State web site with more information and a map to see the areas affected.

www.firepreventionfee.org.

Near as I can tell I’m will be getting hit with this but haven’t received anything yet.


10 posted on 08/11/2012 8:45:25 AM PDT by freds6girlies (many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first. Mt. 19:30. R.I.P. G & J)
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To: originalbuckeye
Every one of you who won't vote for Romney will be a party to the dissolution of America as we knew it.
He went a long way in convincing us to by picking Ryan as his VP. A very smart move politically. It is what Reagan did by uniting the party with Bush's choice as his VIP. He gets conservatives to back him, and he locks up Wisconsin while also influencing the vote of Minnesotans.

There will be many who will now be pulling a lever for President when before they would not even consider voting for Romney. Having Ryan as VP, means there is a better chance of following up Romney's term with a conservative, and that is a good thing.
11 posted on 08/11/2012 8:45:44 AM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: freds6girlies

I and my neighbors received our notice in the mail yesterday. Thus the reason for me writing the article.


12 posted on 08/11/2012 8:47:40 AM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: OneVike

How is this any different from McCain/Palin?

Conservatives are just going to get screwed over again. Conservatives need to be at the front, not the back of the ticket.


13 posted on 08/11/2012 8:48:41 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: aruanan
After I read my mistake, that is similar to what I said to myself..........
Great everyone will think I meant it to say gay as a play on words.

14 posted on 08/11/2012 8:50:21 AM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: JCBreckenridge

It is what it is. Besides, I have a running $1000,00 bet that Romney wins going away.

Up until now I was not going to vote for the presidential spot, only down ticket.

Now I am more inclined to support him.

Either way, Romney was going to win. If you doubt me, then take me up on my bet!


15 posted on 08/11/2012 8:52:49 AM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: OneVike

Yea sure. And that worked so well for mclame? I voted for Sarah Palin and all I got was a turd for *resident! lol


16 posted on 08/11/2012 8:52:49 AM PDT by US_MilitaryRules (Unnngh! To many PDS people!)
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To: OneVike
NorCal Blogs
17 posted on 08/11/2012 8:53:09 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: OneVike

I’d love to, but I don’t have that much money. It would be irresponsible for me to take you up when I don’t have a way to make sure you’re covered. :(

It just reminds me of a sad rerun of 4 years ago - I remember how excited I was with Palin, and then the McCain campaign stabbed her in the back and blamed her for the loss.

Having a conservative here - if they lose - they’ll scapegoat Ryan just like they did with Palin.


18 posted on 08/11/2012 8:57:21 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: OneVike

I just thought it was a CA “Gay”-dar alert.

:-)


19 posted on 08/11/2012 9:15:34 AM PDT by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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To: OneVike

Who else can they tax? Illegals? Welfare recipients? They can only tax people with some actual assets.

I guess California will wind up like Detroit on a massive scale. People will vote with their feet, and leave.


20 posted on 08/11/2012 9:34:55 AM PDT by popdonnelly (The first priority is get Obama out of the White House.)
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To: OneVike
Gee, I had no idea how much of our state was "rural." Just about the only areas not covered are the central valley and the desert. We live in the desert, but that's cold comfort.
21 posted on 08/11/2012 9:41:38 AM PDT by Excellence (9/11 was an act of faith.)
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To: popdonnelly
Who else can they tax? Illegals? Welfare recipients? They can only tax people with some actual assets.
How about the millions of voters who live in the cities that make money and pay taxes. This tax hits only 825,000 voters who no one will care about. Hell, even is we all vote against the Democrats as is already the case for rural Californians, it will not make a difference I removing Democrats.

No, this was done on purpose. because the Democrats and Brown did not want to piss off the voters that vote for them. It is an attack on us because we vote republican. They want their enemies to pay for their spending, and they will do it every time and even more so if they are allowed to get way with it.

Think about it, they are only crewing 825,000 voters, not the 20 million eligable voters who live in the cities.
22 posted on 08/11/2012 9:47:48 AM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: Excellence

Obama and the dems want to destroy everything around the cities by draining money from the suburbs and rural areas and funneling the cash to their buddies in the urban areas.


23 posted on 08/11/2012 9:49:43 AM PDT by NewHampshireDuo
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To: sauropod
There is nothing new about this. What is disgusting is that you don't get the fire protection for which you pay. CDF has told me to my face that they will not defend my house BECAUSE I HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB of fuels control. They'll go defend the people who have done nothing to prepare and whose houses will go up no matter what they do. They say this place won't burn and on much of it they're right. But I do know they are lying about the slope across from the house. Despite my efforts, this place is not invulnerable. Hopefully, by this time next year, it will be.

I have been told by people within the County that there is a list of people they want to destroy, to take their homes and bulldoze them. I'm on it. There is nothing wrong with the house. It's only 20 years old. This is about politics. They want to burn us out and have us pay for the privilege.

24 posted on 08/11/2012 9:59:03 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party Switcheroo: Economic crisis! Zero's eligibility Trumped!! Hillary 2012!!!)
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To: popdonnelly
Who else can they tax? Illegals? Welfare recipients? They can only tax people with some actual assets.
How about the millions of voters who live in the cities that make money and pay taxes. This tax hits only 825,000 voters who no one will care about. Hell, even is we all vote against the Democrats as is already the case for rural Californians, it will not make a difference I removing Democrats.

No, this was done on purpose. because the Democrats and Brown did not want to piss off the voters that vote for them. It is an attack on us because we vote republican. They want their enemies to pay for their spending, and they will do it every time and even more so if they are allowed to get way with it.

Think about it, they are only crewing 825,000 voters, not the 20 million eligable voters who live in the cities.
25 posted on 08/11/2012 10:29:17 AM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: NewHampshireDuo
Obama and the dems want to destroy everything around the cities by draining money from the suburbs and rural areas and funneling the cash to their buddies in the urban areas.

The National review had an article called Burning Down The Suburbs (Free Republic thread link)", and he explains exactly what you mention. The left wants to spreading the wealth from the suburbs and thus destroy their ability to survive so then they will be forced to be annexed by the cities.

It is all part of Agenda 21 (Free Republic thread link), that wants humans out of the country and into the cities so they can be controlled easier.
26 posted on 08/11/2012 10:33:22 AM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: freds6girlies
Near as I can tell I’m will be getting hit with this but haven’t received anything yet.

Me too. If the feds would actually manage all the land they keep grabbing, we wouldn't have such high fire danger.

27 posted on 08/11/2012 10:45:49 AM PDT by SCalGal (Friends don't let friends donate to H$U$, A$PCA, or PETA.)
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To: Carry_Okie
This is about politics. They want to burn us out and have us pay for the privilege.

And they can...

When I feel like cooking, I COOK and take it to the fire station.

28 posted on 08/11/2012 10:49:16 AM PDT by SCalGal (Friends don't let friends donate to H$U$, A$PCA, or PETA.)
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To: OneVike

“Then the areas will get cleared and when the trees do burn they will be burned in controlled containers called fire places and wood stoves to warm the homes in the winter. I get tired of watching all that good firewood burning during on a hot summer day, when it could be put to good use.”

I have a sister and brother-in-law who have lived the last 30 years in “fire prone” areas in northern California and now Oregon.

They are all in favor of citizens - under local fire protection advice and recommendation - cutting selected growths of trees as well as older dying and decaying trees, as well as underbrush, not to “clear” the land, but to thin it and prune it so that it is still “forested” but the easiest and most congested “fuel” for fires has been reduced, by local citizens willing to come get the wood themselves. Yes, thinning, not clearing. They still want to live among forested land, they just it managed better and they can help do that, if they are allowed.


29 posted on 08/11/2012 10:55:00 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: OneVike
"Illegay"

Hey, it's Californica.... [stet]

30 posted on 08/11/2012 11:16:31 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: Wuli
Yes, thinning, not clearing. They still want to live among forested land, they just it managed better and they can help do that, if they are allowed.
Yes I agree, however I wrote this for a blog that is carried by a leftists newspaper. I write in a way that will spur them to comment and debate. I leave it open for them to come and get me. People here at FR know me and my writing style, they know what I mean, and now so do you.
31 posted on 08/11/2012 11:20:44 AM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: TXnMA

I know, I wanted a moderator to fix it, but once it’s posted I guess they cannot change the spelling.

It’s correct on my site, but I just screwed up when I wrote the title while posting it. Oh well, it is what it is.


32 posted on 08/11/2012 11:30:10 AM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: OneVike

I can’t read either intentions or emotions, in one dimensional communications, unless they are verbalized, because, “between the lines”, is placed on the senders end alone. Next time, at least on the same topic, I might know what you mean. Thanks for the heads up.


33 posted on 08/11/2012 12:52:31 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: originalbuckeye
Every one of you who won't vote for Romney will be a party to the dissolution of America as we knew it.

Nonsense

This Republic was mortally wounded when Honest Ape waged war on the sons of the Founders, and killed off in the 20th century with the imposition of an income tax and Universal suffrage to women, the poor, and those under 21 via Constitutional Amendment.

All this stuff going on now is just death rattle.

34 posted on 08/11/2012 2:05:49 PM PDT by Rome2000 (WILLARD ROMNEY -- MORMON MELCHIDEZEK BISHOP -HIS FAMILY HAS AVOIDED MILITARY SERVICE FOR GENERATIONS)
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To: OneVike

Serendipitous error — I like it!


35 posted on 08/12/2012 7:03:32 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: OneVike
Could you correct the word Illegal in the title? I screwed up and somehow replaced the "L" with a "Y".

I thought you did that on purpose. [smiles]

BUMP!

36 posted on 08/12/2012 8:42:30 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: OneVike

Thanks for the ping!


37 posted on 08/12/2012 8:46:27 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: OneVike

When the balance used to be better in the legislature, the Dems would keep a hit list on rural citizens (state funding of Watermaster, Williamson Act, etc.) to trade for budget votes. Now they don’t have to trade to get the votes they need so they just have intentionally targeted the rural populations they hate and despise without any remorse. It has become very obvious and a backlash is building to which they better pay close attention. Agriculture and its indirect jobs is still a huge portion of CA’s economy. Even urban folks have to eat. A general ag strike could cause real havoc.

In the case of this tax, it should go down quickly. It is totally unlawful. For instance, there are folks on the Klamath River who are supposedly in the State Responsibility Area (SRA.) However, due to trades at the state level, they are served by the Forest Service as an extension of the Federal Responsibility Area (FRA.) Although folks in the SRA get structural protection, folks served by the FRA do not, because the feds don’t do that. They will sit in your driveway and watch your house burn as they have done in places like Seiad Valley.

Nevertheless, the folks on the Klamath will have to pay the new tax, even if they get no CalFire service.

It is interesting to note that this tax is one that is not secured by property - ergo no lein can be placed on your property if you do not pay it. I suppose they could take your state tax refund - if you had one. Don’t know if they could garnish your wages - it would cost more than its worth to do so. Don’t know how they would react if folks just decided not to pay the damned thing. Sounds like a possibility to me.


38 posted on 08/12/2012 10:54:54 AM PDT by marsh2
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Seems like quite a few thought it was done on purpose. I am thinking of posting this to FR on Monday morning for the crowd that is too busy on the weekend to check Fr out.

So, I am contemplating doing the same thing to the title. What do you think?

Oh yea, could you proof read it in case I made some errors for my re-post?

Thanks ahead of time.

Chuck
39 posted on 08/12/2012 2:28:42 PM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: OneVike

For years the suburbs of Boston paid higher sewer and water rates to support the city. This crap has happened for years.


40 posted on 08/12/2012 2:33:01 PM PDT by bmwcyle (Corollary - Electing the same person over and over and expecting a different outcome is insanity)
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Makes sense to me. There are many cities like Boston, where the politicians have been taxing suburbia to fund their Social programs and infrastructure.

In Boston, the politicians have been Socialist since the turn of the 19th Century. So they are like Madison Wisconsin in their intrenched love of Marxism, and the idea of making the producers support the lazy and no good. You could say that Boston is Massachusetts, and thus they are California's psychological sister if you will.

As I told NewHampshireDu in my comment #26, this is will be something Obama expands as he continues to embrace the earth worshiping agenda of the United Nations Agenda 21 treaty that Bush, (the father) signed when he was president.
41 posted on 08/12/2012 3:05:59 PM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: marsh2
It is interesting to note that this tax is one that is not secured by property - ergo no lein can be placed on your property if you do not pay it. I suppose they could take your state tax refund - if you had one. Don’t know if they could garnish your wages - it would cost more than its worth to do so. Don’t know how they would react if folks just decided not to pay the damned thing. Sounds like a possibility to me.

They would just instruct the fire dept to not respond to any address which refuses to pay the fee.

42 posted on 08/12/2012 3:21:57 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (A deep-fried storm is coming, Mr Obama.)
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To: Carry_Okie
>> “CDF has told me to my face that they will not defend my house BECAUSE I HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB of fuels control.” <<

That is interesting. Cal Fire has exactly the opposite position in Tuolumne and Calaveras counties. They will refuse to enter a parcel that places their crew in unnecessary danger.

43 posted on 08/12/2012 5:12:43 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they were.)
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To: OneVike

If you want an article fixed, you have to hit the ‘abuse’ button of the first reply.


44 posted on 08/12/2012 5:17:31 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they were.)
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To: OneVike

sounds like a violation of proposition 13


45 posted on 08/12/2012 5:23:18 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: Carry_Okie
Let's say that again...

" there is a list of people they want to destroy, to take their homes and bulldoze them. I'm on it. There is nothing wrong with the house. It's only 20 years old. This is about politics. They want to burn us out and have us pay for the privilege."


46 posted on 08/12/2012 5:38:16 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: editor-surveyor

Thanks “e-s”, I’ll remember that for next time I need something fixed. You would think that after surfing and posting on FR over 14 years I would have known that already.

Just goes to show, you learn something new everyday.

OV


47 posted on 08/12/2012 7:12:06 PM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: morphing libertarian

I am convinced it is, and that is one of the angles that Jon Coupal of the Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association is challenging it in court over.


48 posted on 08/12/2012 7:15:12 PM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: PapaBear3625

This has nothing to do with your local fire dept. Those are supported by separate funding sources. In fact this raid on rural California will likely make it more difficult for local fire departments to raise money and get local taxes passed to support local depts. CAlFire operates on a mutual aid nearest resource responds first system with local fire depts. Nobody is going to refuse to come because you didn’t pay the tax.


49 posted on 08/12/2012 8:44:27 PM PDT by marsh2
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