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Paul Ryan’s budget plan hits federal workers
Washington Post ^ | August 11, 2012 | Joe Davidson, Federal Eye

Posted on 08/11/2012 9:11:03 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

The spending plan proposed by Rep. Paul D. Ryan of Wisconsin, Mitt Romney’s pick as the Republican vice presidential candidate, has drawn strong opposition from federal employees.

Under the proposed House Republican budget, which Ryan sponsored as chairman of the Budget Committee, savings from the federal workforce would total $368 billion over 10 years. The two-year freeze on basic federal pay rates, scheduled to expire at the end of this year, would be extended through 2015 for a total of five years.

“The Path to Prosperity,” as the budget plan is named, also calls on federal workers to make an unspecified “more equitable contribution to their retirement plans,” which means higher costs to employees. Additionally, the federal workforce would be cut, through attrition over three years, by 10 percent, which equals more than 200,000 positions.

Because the Departments of Defense, Veterans Affairs, Justice and Homeland Security have so many employees, the majority of the eliminated positions would come from these agencies, all of which are related to national security.

The budget document says its plans “reflect the growing frustration of workers across the country at the privileged rules enjoyed by government employees.”

Ryan’s budget justifies the employee-related cuts, saying “it is no coincidence that private sector employment continues to grow only sluggishly while the government expands: To pay for the public sector’s growth, Washington must immediately tax the private sector or else borrow and impose taxes later to pay down the debt.”

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1 posted on 08/11/2012 9:11:13 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

>>The spending plan proposed by Rep. Paul D. Ryan of Wisconsin, Mitt Romney’s pick as the Republican vice presidential candidate, has drawn strong opposition from federal employees.<<

That alone is reason to approve of him.


2 posted on 08/11/2012 9:14:41 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (obozo could bring back literal slavery with chains and still he will get 85+% of the black vote)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Ryan/Walker, now THAT would be a dream team!


3 posted on 08/11/2012 9:16:37 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: freedumb2003

Yup!


4 posted on 08/11/2012 9:17:23 AM PDT by cableguymn (For the first time in my life. I fear my country's government.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Those poor, poor federal workers. Poor dears.


5 posted on 08/11/2012 9:17:35 AM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Besides knocking Walker out of competition for the Presidency in a future election, did anyone catch why Ryan didn't propose abolishing Departments of Education, Energy, Agriculture, and several of the others with no Constitutional basis?

Seems to me simply abolishing those agencies would give you all the personnel cuts you needed.

Oh, and selling off the public lands would do quite a bit to dispose of Department of Interior and all the problems they create.

6 posted on 08/11/2012 9:18:18 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Steely Tom
The article says Ryan wants to fire the military systems analysts and weapons designers first ~ or did you catch that.

They do invaluable work for you.

7 posted on 08/11/2012 9:19:50 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Steely Tom; All

March 20, 2012 — “..... National Treasury Employees Union President Colleen Kelley took issue with both the substance and rhetoric in the Republican proposal in her statement Tuesday.

The Republican-proposed reforms could make federal jobs less attractive and a smaller workforce could lead to “a substantial increase in the use of unaccountable private contractors and a much higher cost of providing services,” Kelley said.

“It is almost as though the authors of this budget don’t know, don’t understand or don’t care about the key role federal employees play in helping keep our nation safe, ensuring that our food and medicines are safe and effective, that our air and water are safe, and performing so many other services that people not only expect and want, but need as well,” she said.”......

http://www.govexec.com/pay-benefits/2012/03/gop-budget-plan-includes-pay-freeze-extension-workforce-reduction/41514/


8 posted on 08/11/2012 9:21:23 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

BOO HOO....they’ve slept on silk cushions in the lead car of the government gravy train long enough. It’s about time our public “servants” live like the taxpayers who are forced to keep them in their fat paychecks, Cadillac health care and undeserved benefits.

His willingness to rein in this outrageously bloated federal spending on paper-shufflers is a feather in Ryan’s cap.


9 posted on 08/11/2012 9:23:00 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: muawiyah

“Oh, and selling off the public lands would do quite a bit to dispose of Department of Interior and all the problems they create. “

If they did this they’d spend the money rather quickly and it would be gone. No source of revenue will help without cutting spending - thus your point about cutting government agencies it the best approach.


10 posted on 08/11/2012 9:23:10 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: freedumb2003

Paul Ryan’s budget plan hits federal workers

Federal workers = oxymoron in most cases.


11 posted on 08/11/2012 9:23:27 AM PDT by Common Sense 101 (Hey libs... If your theories fly in the face of reality, it's not reality that's wrong.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Okay, but what’s the downside?


12 posted on 08/11/2012 9:23:46 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Paul Ryan’s budget plan hits federal workers

works for me.

13 posted on 08/11/2012 9:24:03 AM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature ($1.84 - The price of a gallon of gas on Jan. 20th, 2009.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
'unaccountable private contractors'

When did Government employees become accountable????????

14 posted on 08/11/2012 9:24:42 AM PDT by Lockbox
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

Why stop there. Sell the public lands. Lock, stock and barrel. Sell the national parks as well.


15 posted on 08/11/2012 9:25:09 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Common Sense 101

The Federal workers still get their step and promotion increases..so their pay will still remain high with the Ryan proposal. Plus..those who live in expensive areas still get higher pay to cover houseing and living costs..like DC.


16 posted on 08/11/2012 9:25:48 AM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: muawiyah

March 20, 2012 — .......[Gene] “Sperling [director of the White House National Economic Council] said he was also “disappointed” that Ryan’s plan proposes relieving the Defense Department from the Budget Control Act’s threat of sequestration just months after negotiations produced what both parties had agreed was an “offensive” threat of “mutually assured destruction.” Such a move, he said, would reverse for ideological reasons the one area of bipartisan consensus that is in the legislation and thus “actually create an incentive not to compromise.”......

http://www.govexec.com/pay-benefits/2012/03/gop-budget-plan-includes-pay-freeze-extension-workforce-reduction/41514/


17 posted on 08/11/2012 9:26:41 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
". . . savings from the federal workforce would total $368 billion over 10 years. The two-year freeze on basic federal pay rates, scheduled to expire at the end of this year, would be extended through 2015 for a total of five years."

Every citizen who calls himself/herself a "conservative" must begin to use every means available to connect the dots and direct relationship between what is called the "size of government" and the above fact!

Once ordinary working citizens understand the connection between the money "taken" from them, as shown on their pay stubs and the increase in size and pay/benefits of federal employees over recent years, they will understand why Ryan's plan makes sense for them.

So-called Democrat "progressives" promote an idea of moral equivalency between "jobs" in wealth-creating private companies and wealth-depeting jobs in all levels of government. Then, Democrats rely on what they believe to be economic ignorance of working people to make that connection.

Ryan may just be the person who can make the connection crystal clear.

What is "big government" but massive government employment, combined with politicians and bureaucrats? To reduce the size requires taking away the government "bottle" from the mouths of those who feed on the hard work of their private sector neighbors.

18 posted on 08/11/2012 9:27:07 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The fact that he actually requires government workers to pay for some of their benefits is a good start.

I would be much harder on them. First day fire half nonmilitary personnel. Close at least five cabinet level departments. Eliminate the BATF. Second day fire the another third of the Federal Workforce. Close three more cabinet level departments. Close the EPA.

That would get us to around twice the number of Federal workers we actually need.

If anyone complains explain that the door is right there, don't let it hit you on the way out.

19 posted on 08/11/2012 9:27:54 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: txrefugee
I find it difficult to believe that you are an informed person ~ everyone who is anyone knows that if you fired all the federal employees and murdered all the federal retirees in their beds, when you woke up the next morning you'd still be running a massive deficit.

You might work backwards a bit and see where the financial rupture is happening first.

20 posted on 08/11/2012 9:27:54 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Steely Tom
No more afternoon siestas? Oh noes!


21 posted on 08/11/2012 9:28:28 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (FUMR)
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To: loveliberty2
That should be "wealth-depleting," of course!!!
22 posted on 08/11/2012 9:29:39 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“Because the Departments of Defense, Veterans Affairs, Justice and Homeland Security have so many employees, the majority of the eliminated positions would come from these agencies, all of which are related to national security.”

This is the old ploy used by Democrats in cities that needed to make cuts to stay solvent: “If we cut the budget, firemen and policemen will be laid off first.” They never want to cut the third and fourth assistants to the city manager. So they hold taxpayers hostage and the cuts are voted down.

And eventually the cities go bankrupt and firemen and policemen do lose their jobs when there is no more money to waste on those assistants to the city brass.


23 posted on 08/11/2012 9:30:08 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I’m a federal employee, and I’m cheering Paul Ryan’s selection.

The Monday morning “Occupy Starbucks” coffee run with my coworkers will be interesting. They’ll be frantic.


24 posted on 08/11/2012 9:30:37 AM PDT by SandyInSeattle (Eat Mor Chikin!)
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To: Jim from C-Town
Federal workers already pay for their benefits. State and local government workers don't.

That probably arises from the fact civil service rules are so new to so many states ~ the old spoils system worked that way.

Postal workers are already overpaid $78 billion on their retirement plans and have been subsidizing the federal government the last few years.

25 posted on 08/11/2012 9:30:56 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
Selling allot of Federal Land and assets would go a long way to paying down the debt. The Federal Government owns 45% of California and over 80% of Alaska. The sale of half the land in California could do a great deal to eliminate the Federal debt.
26 posted on 08/11/2012 9:32:04 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: muawiyah
Why stop there. Sell the public lands. Lock, stock and barrel. Sell the national parks as well.

Hear! Hear! You have my vote.

27 posted on 08/11/2012 9:32:04 AM PDT by Starstruck (Only the wealthy and the poor can afford socialism)
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To: Jim from C-Town
BTW, firing the federal workforce in the manner you described gets you down to about 240,000 postal letter carriers, no army, no navy, no airforce, no missile force, no coast guard....... and you'd still have more than a trillion dollar deficit.

Not to rub this in but you haven't informed yourself enough on these matters to make comments.

28 posted on 08/11/2012 9:33:16 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: freedumb2003

My feelings exactly!


29 posted on 08/11/2012 9:33:37 AM PDT by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Could save a bundle by giving Civil Service System back to federal workers and eliminating the corruption and excess bonuses of the Senior Executive Service.


30 posted on 08/11/2012 9:33:45 AM PDT by Rapscallion (Hope and change has become meanness, lying, fraud, cover-ups, and vindictiveness.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I suppose if they do not like their compensation package they are free to take their talents to private industry.

Good luck with that!

31 posted on 08/11/2012 9:34:31 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: freedumb2003

Word! I don’t give two flip-sh!ts what any Federal Employee thinks.


32 posted on 08/11/2012 9:35:00 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: muawiyah

They added a block to our pay stub that shows how much the government contributes toward our health care, retirement, etc. I think that’s a great idea... most government employees have no idea the amount of taxpayer money goes into their benefits on a monthly basis. We pay almost nothing toward our own retirement other than the TSP contributions we make, but even then the government matches up to 5%.

Feds (I am one) need to understand who they work for.


33 posted on 08/11/2012 9:35:08 AM PDT by SandyInSeattle (Eat Mor Chikin!)
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To: muawiyah
Ryan will not be the cause of the Military pink slips flying around the Pentagon next January, Obama’s Military sequestration will have achieved that even before the next Inauguration.
34 posted on 08/11/2012 9:35:43 AM PDT by swamprebel (Where liberty dwells, there is my country.)
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To: Lockbox

Private contractors are accountable to their bids and written contracts. How can they forget the GSA guy in the bathtub?

My daughter works for a large county government. After growing up with our private business she absolutely hates the politics and prevalent work ethic. Seems like day care for idiots.


35 posted on 08/11/2012 9:36:20 AM PDT by Aria ( 2008 wasn't an election - it was a coup d'etat.)
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To: Jim from C-Town
Expect any moment to get some guy in here who wants the federales to REVERT THE LAND to the states.

Actually, just to head that argument off, that's not the way it was done with the ORIGINAL states added before the purchase of Louisiana. In those states the federal government SOLD the land and kept the money!

Later on the federal government purchased every last single acre added to the United States ~ so that land must be sold and the money reverted to the federal treasury ~ not to the states.

Now if a state wants to buy that land, I"d expect market value, not book value!

36 posted on 08/11/2012 9:37:09 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

‘everyone who is anyone knows that if you fired all the federal employees and murdered all the federal retirees in their beds, when you woke up the next morning you’d still be running a massive deficit.’

True, but it is a good start!


37 posted on 08/11/2012 9:39:12 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2917190/posts

.....[Paul] Ryan has spent much of the past year describing the election in similar terms—not simply as a referendum on Barack Obama’s presidency, but a choice between two competing, and very different, American futures. And Ryan has said he thought Mitt Romney shared that view. Here’s how Ryan put it in an interview with THE WEEKLY STANDARD on May 3:

“It’s very clear from his [Romney’s] last three or four speeches – and he’s very involved in writing these, setting this message – that he wants to bring this to a choice. Not just a referendum on Obama’s bad stewardship but on the American idea itself and a choice of two futures. It seems clear to me – because he’s embraced the kind of economic reforms we need to get the American idea back on track and prevent a debt crisis – that he is willing to bring this thing to the clear, clean choice it needs to be to give to the country. And that he’s ready to do that. And that for all the risk-aversion stories that have been written about him he seems to me that he’s gotten himself in the mindset of understanding the moment we are facing and the need to bring this real clear conversation to the country about the choice they have to make. And that these founding principles are really important. And so I really feel like – this is probably not the election he thought he was going to run, say two years ago when he first decided to run, but I think he’s become extremely comfortable and accepting of what it is and what it needs to be. Everything he says and does gives me a sense of that.”..................


38 posted on 08/11/2012 9:40:07 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Jim from C-Town

God forbid that a government job might not be a lifetime of sloth and an even longer pension! These idiots think it is fine for the public sector to struggle, but talk about eliminating govt workers and they are PISSED!


39 posted on 08/11/2012 9:41:31 AM PDT by nobamanomore
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To: SandyInSeattle
Here is a great refresher "course" on Paul Ryan The Man With the Plan - "Roadmap" to save America from its looming fiscal collapse
40 posted on 08/11/2012 9:42:10 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: SandyInSeattle
USPS began sending an annual report on where all your income came from about 25 years ago.

Since that agency is almost totally unionized (Except for top level staff and management) everybody knew those things already.

In any case, the reason compensation for health care is made directly by the employer is so that you avoid income taxes on that amount. Anything paid by your employer as compensation or as a benefit is accounted for by the employer as an employee expense, and that's whether you are dealing with the private sector or the government.

If folks want to pay their employees more up front, and subject them to taxes they wouldn't otherwise have to pay, I suppose they'll be willing to supplement those payments to make up for the additional tax liability on the employee, right?

Of course not ~ they won't do that. Every employer has people in personnel and accounting whose job is to nickel and dime everything to save every penny.

It is to the company's advantage to pay people such that the employee's tax liability is minimized while the utility of their compensation is maximized.

What happens to tax payers who want a greater burden of market level compensation placed on their employees is they get to pay higher taxes down the road.

41 posted on 08/11/2012 9:43:47 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

overpaid $78 billion on their retirement plans and have been subsidizing the federal government the last few years.
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Makes you feel ‘good’ to realize the Fed is ‘guarding the chicken coop’ in regards YOUR retirement fund doesn’t it..
Now you know how us SSA types feel. Did you go private sector after USPS retirement? Of course CM’s contributions went into your fund .....

You still up by the substation?


42 posted on 08/11/2012 9:44:50 AM PDT by xrmusn (6/98 "It is virtually impossible to clean the pond as long as the pigs are still crapping in it")
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To: muawiyah
The Post Office should have been sold to a private entity decades ago. Other large countries rely on private postal services already. They run at a profit, ours is running a $5 billion per quarter loss. That is the tax payer money for the privilege of receiving home delivered junk mail.
43 posted on 08/11/2012 9:44:59 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Jim from C-Town
Not really ~ not going to let you kill me in my bed for one thing, and when I get up I will be really, really PO'd and with no police to stop me, I'm coming after your stuff!

Sounds like a deal eh!

44 posted on 08/11/2012 9:46:02 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Paul Ryan’s budget plan hits federal workers

I would sure hope so. I doubt if it hits them hard enough though.

45 posted on 08/11/2012 9:46:18 AM PDT by Reddon
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Federal workers predominately vote Democrat. Most are union members. The real design behind ObamaCare, Dodd-Frank, Cap-and-Trade and the “Stimulus” is to expand government in order to expand the ranks and the coffers of the Democratic Party and the AFL-CIO. The best bureaucracy is the one that is understaffed. When one worker has to do the job of two he doesn't have time to loaf, steal or go to “seminars” in the Bahamas.
46 posted on 08/11/2012 9:46:30 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: muawiyah

NONMILLITARY.

Get the governemnt out of the areas it should NEVER have been and the country can absorb all the effective and useful governemnt workers into a booming economy quite easily. Both of them!


47 posted on 08/11/2012 9:47:47 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: xrmusn

By now you should have figured out no one trusts the federal government ~ never did.


48 posted on 08/11/2012 9:48:00 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

You could also privatize the FDA and USDA.


49 posted on 08/11/2012 9:48:38 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: Rapscallion
Could save a bundle by giving Civil Service System back to federal workers and eliminating the corruption and excess bonuses of the Senior Executive Service.

My attitude all along has been that doing a blanket freeze on pay raises (beyond the graduated step increases which are still in place) amounts to using a shotgun instead of a scalpel. Civil Service reform, including merit-based pay increases/bonuses AND decreases, could be used to encourage the slackers to leave while incentivizing the good workers to stay and be as productive as possible.

As Conservatives, we should want the government to reduce in size (and with the Boomer retirements there's a fantastic, once in a couple generations opportunity to do that through attrition) focus on the inherently governmental and operate more like the private sector.

Across-the-board freezes not only don't do that but they make the situation worse because it actually encourages the slackers to stay and the good, productive folks to leave.

I'd also add that DHS is using separated military vets as a hiring pool right now. I know a bunch of these folks that have gone in and they are all Conservatives, hard-chargers and really want to be part of the solution, not the problem.
50 posted on 08/11/2012 9:48:51 AM PDT by tanknetter
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