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Mormon-Catholic pairing makes for historically unique GOP ticket
foxnews.com ^ | Aug 11 2012 | Tommy Firth

Posted on 08/11/2012 11:51:20 AM PDT by NoLibZone

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To: 1035rep

No cute little picture to back yourself up this time? You’re getting lazy. The entire political fight going on right now can be condensed into a series of cartoons with different riddles all possessing the same, single answer. When politics becomes a comedy, the clown is President.


51 posted on 08/11/2012 3:43:03 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: 1035rep

Don’t forget the Mennonites.
That might be our one hope to avoid Obamacare and still drive cars.....


52 posted on 08/11/2012 3:43:55 PM PDT by nascarnation (1)
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To: RaisingCain

“When politics becomes a comedy, the clown is President.”

Actually, the Kenyan is a assclown. I can hardly wait until November when the Obama freak show comes to an end. Will you be sticking around?


53 posted on 08/11/2012 3:48:50 PM PDT by 1035rep (Obama: "I killed Bin Laden" ...you didn't do that. Somebody else made that happen.)
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To: 1035rep

“Actually, the Kenyan is a assclown. I can hardly wait until November when the Obama freak show comes to an end. Will you be sticking around?”


Nothing will give me greater pleasure than to watch the Mittbots make excuses for their new Dear Leader for 4 years.


54 posted on 08/11/2012 3:50:45 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: nascarnation

I had never heard of them before. Thanks :)


55 posted on 08/11/2012 3:52:12 PM PDT by 1035rep (Obama: "I killed Bin Laden" ...you didn't do that. Somebody else made that happen.)
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To: NoLibZone

Well...now we have a Muslim hiding as a black liberation communist “Christian” paired with whatever Biden claims to be - lapsed pro-abortion Catholic?

That’s way more weird than Romney/Ryan.


56 posted on 08/11/2012 4:11:16 PM PDT by Aria ( 2008 wasn't an election - it was a coup d'etat.)
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To: mylife
Well, let’s re examine Obama's faith then.

Okay...how about Obama being born Muslim, raised and schooled in Islamic schools for Obama's early years then 20 years in the church of Reverend Wright’s hate rhetoric about America. Oh yes, Obama threw Wright under his bus when that bit was no longer working. Take this religious thingy out of the campaigns - that leaves a man raised by Communist fathers in another country and a man raised by American parents with American values...hummmmm

57 posted on 08/11/2012 4:17:33 PM PDT by yoe (Vote for your Country, not a political party.)
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To: LukeSW

No pay - what a crock.
My uncle is a former bishop - he got plenty, to reimburse his “expenses”.
Romney’s family goes back to the beginning of Mormonism, he is as ingrained as one can be.
Now that my uncle (the former bishop one) is elderly, he asked his now bishop permission to do all kinds of things. An example, when my son preached for the first time, I asked him and my aunt to join us, his words “I need to ask my bishop”, he called back “sorry we will not be there”.
My youngest’s Mormon friend from work had to ask for permission to attend church, her bishop said yes, but ONLY because my child had gone to ward with her.
Please, these are simple things, don’t try and tell us Romney did not ask for permission to run for governor or president.


58 posted on 08/11/2012 4:44:19 PM PDT by roylene (Salvation the great Gift of Grace.)
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To: RaisingCain

Hellbound church? Say what?

you know Gods will and plan no better than any of us. You’re doing traditional Christians no favors with your vitriol.


59 posted on 08/11/2012 4:45:16 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Romney/Pelosi 2012- the Spirit of Bipartisanship!)
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To: RaisingCain

Who was yor choice then? Who would you have voted for?


60 posted on 08/11/2012 4:46:11 PM PDT by MDspinboyredux
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To: roylene

Can you provide a link to this? Since you’re so adamant about it, I’m sure you got some handy.


61 posted on 08/11/2012 4:49:02 PM PDT by MDspinboyredux
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To: RKBA Democrat

“you know Gods will and plan no better than any of us. You’re doing traditional Christians no favors with your vitriol.”


So you believe Joseph Smith found some gold plates with reformed Egpytian written on them and that told him all Christianity is the whore of Babylon and that he ought to take on a few extra wives?

It’s hell-bound alright.


62 posted on 08/11/2012 4:57:05 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: MDspinboyredux

“Who was yor choice then? Who would you have voted for?”


I didn’t get a choice. I live in Texas. It was settled before one of the most conservative states in the union even had a chance. The Open primary and lib states picked our nominee for us.


63 posted on 08/11/2012 4:58:07 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: MDspinboyredux

A link to what, what I related are personal experiences.
I didn’t put it in a news paper.


64 posted on 08/11/2012 4:59:13 PM PDT by roylene (Salvation the great Gift of Grace.)
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To: NoLibZone
Ryan appears to buck the US Bishops on their view of Govt. (They are largely in favor of social justice programs aka socialized medicine and such.)

Interesting dynamics at work.

65 posted on 08/11/2012 5:01:28 PM PDT by what's up
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To: RaisingCain

I personally do not. However who I am I to say that’s not what happened? Any more than say a confucian would be able to say with cerainty that my Lord was not resurrected on the third day.

Its a loser of an argument. Neither you nor I know with any certainty. They call it faith for a reason. You do Christianity no favors by condemning a religion that presents no threat to you. The golden rule still works and is pretty much universal across religions.


66 posted on 08/11/2012 5:19:33 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Romney/Pelosi 2012- the Spirit of Bipartisanship!)
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To: LukeSW

I call Mitt Bishop because he was a Stake President, the Mormon version of a Catholic Bishop, and we have never had a presidential candidate that high in a religious order.

The Romneys are truly powerful and leaders within Mormonism, they arrived here to serve Joseph Smith 170 years ago and have never wavered, they have produced many leaders, including a candidate for Holy Prophet who died before the decision was made, Mitt’s father was a Bishop as well, the Romney family is royalty within the religion and have brought in tens of millions of dollars, and made 2 consecutive attempts to gain the White House.

Mitt Romney sought a meeting with his Holy Prophet to ask permission to run for president in 2005 and then announced.

You seem to be overselling your story, try to tone it down a little.


67 posted on 08/11/2012 5:24:39 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors,,, where the GOP goes for it's "conservative" Presidential candidates.)
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To: stpio

The political climate was that a lefty that hated republicans killed JFK, not republicans, or “the right”, or “Dallas”.


68 posted on 08/11/2012 5:46:52 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors,,, where the GOP goes for it's "conservative" Presidential candidates.)
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To: 1035rep

Can I get a shout out???

/s


69 posted on 08/11/2012 5:56:24 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: RKBA Democrat

“I personally do not. However who I am I to say that’s not what happened? Any more than say a confucian would be able to say with cerainty that my Lord was not resurrected on the third day.

Its a loser of an argument. Neither you nor I know with any certainty. They call it faith for a reason. You do Christianity no favors by condemning a religion that presents no threat to you. The golden rule still works and is pretty much universal across religions.”


Mormonism is a proven fraud. They even found Joseph Smith’s papyri (he bought it from a traveling Mummy salesman) that he “translated” the so called Book of Abraham from (he translated it during an era where no one could actually read ancient Egpytian) and Egyptologists declared it to be a standard burial rite. Mormonism is disprovable in over 200 different ways. I can dismantle it in 3 seconds. No, maybe just 2 and a half. You don’t need to be Confucious or anybody. You just have to be a rational adult without a serious mental disorder.

As for “posing no threat,” Christ Himself damns all false prophets to hell. We are told by Paul that whoever preaches a different Gospel, let him be accursed. All religious cults, whether it is Islam or Mormonism or the Jehovah’s Witnesses, are wrong in the sight of God.


70 posted on 08/11/2012 5:57:19 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: Salvation; wizwor

Joe Biden is America’s first Catholic vice-President, and a Catholic in good standing.


71 posted on 08/11/2012 6:05:35 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors,,, where the GOP goes for it's "conservative" Presidential candidates.)
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To: roylene
No pay - what a crock. My uncle is a former bishop - he got plenty, to reimburse his “expenses”. Romney’s family goes back to the beginning of Mormonism, he is as ingrained as one can be. Now that my uncle (the former bishop one) is elderly, he asked his now bishop permission to do all kinds of things. An example, when my son preached for the first time, I asked him and my aunt to join us, his words “I need to ask my bishop”, he called back “sorry we will not be there”. My youngest’s Mormon friend from work had to ask for permission to attend church, her bishop said yes, but ONLY because my child had gone to ward with her. Please, these are simple things, don’t try and tell us Romney did not ask for permission to run for governor or president.

Well, guess you have to believe what you want to, but I have been a Bishop, I have been a counselor to a Bishop, I have served on the High Council in a Stake, and I know dozens and dozens of men who are or have been Bishops. Not a single one currently receives or historically received a dime for his service.

My family goes back further than Romney's. I have ancestors who lived in the home of Joseph Smith in Nauvoo, took care of his farm, etc. So....

I ran for a statewide office. I asked permission of no one and certainly of no Church leader. That was my decision along with that of my wife, alone. The same as every other major and minor personal, professional and academic decision I have made in life.

The Mormon haters on this board are living in a virtual dream world of their own creation. Your imaginations about the cult of obedience of the Mormon Church have no basis in reality, regardless of what you think your uncle and former bishop told you.
72 posted on 08/11/2012 6:08:21 PM PDT by LukeSW (The truth shall make you free!)
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To: RKBA Democrat

The only way that your posts make any sense at all, is if you are not a Christian.

Christians are baffled by you absurd reasoning, you are denying Christianity to get to your defense of Mormonism.


73 posted on 08/11/2012 6:09:49 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors,,, where the GOP goes for it's "conservative" Presidential candidates.)
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To: RaisingCain

So you profess to know Gods will with regard to Mormonism? You’re now a special, self-appointed prophet who has special insight into these things?

Then I guess you completely missed the irony of saying that Christ himself damns all false prophets to hell.


74 posted on 08/11/2012 6:19:27 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Romney/Pelosi 2012- the Spirit of Bipartisanship!)
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To: mylife

I thought I did and smiled at you too!


75 posted on 08/11/2012 6:24:03 PM PDT by 1035rep (Obama: "I killed Bin Laden" ...you didn't do that. Somebody else made that happen.)
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To: LukeSW
Then I will assume my uncle (the former bishop) lied about his “expenses” and that he could not attend church with me to hear my son.
I will just assume then my child's friend lied as well.
So we are left with two opposing statements they were telling the truth and Mormonism is that controlling or they were lying.
Interesting dilemma isn't it.

Wait, there could be a third, and that would be your view.

76 posted on 08/11/2012 6:24:50 PM PDT by roylene (Salvation the great Gift of Grace.)
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To: RKBA Democrat

“So you profess to know Gods will with regard to Mormonism? You’re now a special, self-appointed prophet who has special insight into these things?

Then I guess you completely missed the irony of saying that Christ himself damns all false prophets to hell.”


Seriously, buy a clue on Mormonism. It is not wise to comment on something you’ve never thought about before or studied on. As for “God’s will with regard to Mormonism”:

Gal 1:8-9 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. (9) As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Rev_19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.


77 posted on 08/11/2012 6:27:13 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: ansel12

Try again. I’m a practicing Catholic. One who actually goes to church and listens. I don’t recall any part of the Gospel that says that I’m supposed to go out of my way to castigate those who don’t agree with my religious views. Apparently there is some part of your Gospel that says otherwise. Must be one of those new translations.


78 posted on 08/11/2012 6:28:58 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Romney/Pelosi 2012- the Spirit of Bipartisanship!)
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To: LukeSW

“The Mormon haters on this board are living in a virtual dream world of their own creation. Your imaginations about the cult of obedience of the Mormon Church have no basis in reality, regardless of what you think your uncle and former bishop told you.”


So your family was one of the first to be conned by Joseph Smith. Congratulations. Not that I should boast. Mine is filled with drunks and schizophrenics.

“Lying for the Lord
The following was written by Ken Clark for MormonThink. Ken worked full time for the LDS Church Education System (CES) for 27 years. He also served as a bishop; a calling he enjoyed as much as full time instructor and Coordinator for the Church Education System. He loved (and still loves) the students and the ward members. His story can be found here.

Ken gave an excellent presentation on Lying for the Lord at the 2008 ExMormon Foundation Conference in Salt Lake City. Lying for the Lord on You Tube.

“The right to lie in the service of your own interests is highly valued and frequently exercised”-Nero Wolfe
I began this list when I was a full time employee of the LDS Church Education System (CES). I worked as a Seminary Principal/teacher, Institute teacher/Director, and Stake CES Coordinator from 1975 - 2002. My last assignment was brief. I signed a Letter of Agreement with CES to serve as the Director of the Pullman, Washington LDS Institute of Religion adjacent to Washington State University in July 2002. I resigned from CES a month later. I carry fond memories of the students, ward leaders and others I grew to respect in the LDS Church. I started this list in an effort to defend the church from its detractors. I was insulted that critics accused LDS church leaders of dishonesty. I “knew” the criticisms could not be true.

As an informal defender, I discovered that those accusing the church leaders of being dishonest sometimes had the facts on their side (when I took the time to check). I dealt with the cognitive dissonance by pointing out that (1) all organizations are run by humans and if you search hard enough, of course you’ll find a few isolated examples of deception; and (2) since the leaders are human, they will err on occasion. I guessed there may have been occasional isolated examples of premeditated deception but it was not a pattern or standard practice.

Sometimes I caught myself revealing less than the whole truth, or embellishing in order to defend the church. I noticed that other members often did the same thing. I gave myself permission to be slightly dishonest because I was defending God’s one true church; or so I reasoned. Eventually I decided to let the lives and sermons of the church leaders speak for themselves. If detractors were right some of the time, the church and I would deal with it.

I believed a list of prevarications presented in the proper context would prove that lying wasn’t actually lying. Instead the list would prove that a perceived lie was probably a misunderstanding, a remark out of context or a deliberate misinterpretation of historical events. My belief was that those who accused church leaders with deception were deceivers themselves; they twisted words and took remarks out of context. But as I read more church history my list grew, and at some point it occurred to me that a pattern of institutionalized deception had been established by Joseph Smith. Subsequent church leaders, including those who serve currently, followed Smith’s example of lying to protect the church. The growing evidence pointed to a standard practice.

Evidence presented in this essay establishes that when the church image or its leaders needed protection it was and is, okay to fib, deceive, distort, inflate, minimize, exaggerate, prevaricate or lie. You will read quotations by church leaders who admitted that deception is a useful tool to protect the church and its leaders “when they are in a tight spot,” or “to beat the devil at his own game.” They admit engaging in moral gymnastics; that God approves of deception - if it’s done to protect the “Lord’s Church” or “the brethren” as the leaders are called.

I was stunned after I learned these uncomfortable truths. I had naively believed that when church leaders transgressed, they followed the required steps of repentance, as taught to members and investigators. I believed they had the courage to face their mistakes and confess their shortcomings, no matter what the consequences; to live the same standards they set for the members. I believed they were completely honest.

D. Michael Quinn called the use of deception by LDS church leaders, “theocratic ethics.” (The Mormon Hierarchy: Origins of Power, page 112) Smith lied to protect himself or the church; which was an extension of himself. Dan Vogel in his excellent work, Joseph Smith: The Making of a Prophet, described Smith’s viewpoint; he was a pious deceiver. Smith used deception if in his mind; it resulted in a good outcome. Smith had Moroni, an ancient American prophet and custodian of the gold plates declare, “And whatsoever thing persuadeth men to do good is of me; for good cometh of none save it be of me. ( Moroni 4:11-12). Translation: if deception was necessary to do good, or bring a soul to Christ, then it was worth it, as long as God approves. Smith believed he knew when God approved of lying.

Smith believed God also approved of murder if it was for a good cause. He wrote in the Book of Mormon that Nephi was inspired by God (1 Nephi 4:6) to deceive and capture a servant; and then murder another man in order to secure an ancient historical record on brass plates. And in Missouri, Smith and his counselor Sidney Rigdon threatened to kill Mormon’s who disagreed with Smith’s policies and initiatives (Quinn, The Mormon Hierarchy: Origins of Power, Chapter 3, “Theocratic Beginnings,” 79-103).

Smith re-wrote scripture to demonstrate that God had ordered the prophet Abraham to lie to protect himself and his wife Sarah from harm (Abraham 2:23-25).

Before becoming a prophet, Smith’s chosen profession relied on deception to earn a living. He assured clients that he could see underground treasure using a magic stone in the bottom of his hat and clients paid him to locate hidden gold using this method. He never did of course. Smith’s arrest, trial and conviction in Bainbridge, NY for fraud in 1826 documented his activity. He was found guilty of glass looking. The modern term for Smith would be a con artist. (Dan Vogel, Joseph Smith: The Making of a Prophet, 82-86). Modern scams operate on a similar principle Smith used to separate people from their money.”

The rests at: http://www.mormonthink.com/lying.htm


79 posted on 08/11/2012 6:31:34 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: LukeSW; roylene

Wordy, wordy, wordy, without really saying anything, we get it, you ran for office unsuccessfully and were a Bishop.

The Romneys are Mormon royalty and perhaps it’s biggest cash cow, and is a powerful family even in the normal world, a Mormon bridge to government power, your family isn’t and hasn’t, the difference of about 30 months of when your families started serving Joseph Smith is meaningless, the Romneys committed and made the journey from England specifically to serve him.

Romney did ask permission of his Prophet, but then, he plays in the Mormon big leagues, millions of dollars from the Romneys go in, and Romney benefits hugely.


80 posted on 08/11/2012 6:32:38 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors,,, where the GOP goes for it's "conservative" Presidential candidates.)
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To: RKBA Democrat

As a good Catholic you know that Mormonism is not a Christian religion, that it is a polytheistic religion created by Joseph Smith in the 1830s, that is your churches statement on it.

Does your church want you to remain silent in the face of Mormonism, I doubt it, I haven’t found anything that seems to indicate that yet.

I doubt that they want you fighting for it, defending it to other Catholics and other Christians, attacking Christians for speaking out and defending the Christian faith.


81 posted on 08/11/2012 6:42:29 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors,,, where the GOP goes for it's "conservative" Presidential candidates.)
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To: ansel12
I call Mitt Bishop because he was a Stake President, the Mormon version of a Catholic Bishop, and we have never had a presidential candidate that high in a religious order. The Romneys are truly powerful and leaders within Mormonism, they arrived here to serve Joseph Smith 170 years ago and have never wavered, they have produced many leaders, including a candidate for Holy Prophet who died before the decision was made, Mitt’s father was a Bishop as well, the Romney family is royalty within the religion and have brought in tens of millions of dollars, and made 2 consecutive attempts to gain the White House. Mitt Romney sought a meeting with his Holy Prophet to ask permission to run for president in 2005 and then announced. You seem to be overselling your story, try to tone it down a little.

Mitt WAS a bishop and he WAS a Stake President. Like the literally thousands of others who have served in such positions, he WAS RELEASED and is no longer serving in that capacity. So now he is simply Brother Romney. That's it. We don't call him Bishop or President, simply Brother because that what he is.

Mitt's family is no different than hundreds of families which go back to the organization of the Church. My family does as well. My ancestors lived with Joseph Smith, worked for him, ran his household and farm. That doesn't make our family royalty in the Church or anything like that. Just as Mitt's family is not royalty. Please. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints does not have royalty. Everyone participates as an equal.

As for meeting with the President of the Church, Mitt probably went asking for his advice and counsel. But I guarantee you Mitt was not asking for permission, just as I never did and never would have asked permission to go to Harvard, run for statewide office or go to yet another graduate school. It is just not even remotely part of our culture and religion.

You see, the secret key to understanding how The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints works is that we have all been given the gift of the Holy Ghost after our baptism. That means each of us has the ability and opportunity to go to the source, the Savior, and seek and receive inspiration and guidance for our own affairs and decisions in life, and receive personal revelation and inspiration. Sometimes it comes as a feeling, sometimes as unanticipated thoughts and events. But it is always personal. And there is never a requirement or expectation to ask permission of some Church leader regarding personal or even public decisions.

And please don't get all insulted and start throwing the tired insulting canards, "it's all of the devil..." "you are a damned cult" "you are going to hell" "you are totally deceived" etc. Instead, I suggest you consider the Biblical injunction, "you shall know them by their fruits."
82 posted on 08/11/2012 7:40:35 PM PDT by LukeSW (The truth shall make you free!)
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To: NoLibZone; All

I think the fact that Paul Ryan is a Catholic helps to make him a comfortable fit for the VP position because he will be working closely with Mormon Mitt Romney when they are the winners of the presidential election in November. Catholics and Mormons have a respect for the religious convictions of others and debating religious differences will not be time consuming for either.
Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan have a Republic to save and that is where their efforts will be concentrated. God bless them both.


83 posted on 08/11/2012 7:46:22 PM PDT by mountainfolk ( God bless America)
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To: NoLibZone

Sola Scriptura will not be on the program!


84 posted on 08/11/2012 7:48:46 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: Gator113
When I walk past a crazy man sitting at a street corner, I typically toss a dollar into his hat.... and I walk away.

A whole dollar? Man, you are generous! I typically drop them a gum wrapper. On rare occasions, it even still has unchewed gum in it.

FWIW, I think these yahoos might actually provide the margin to pull Romney/Ryan over the finish line. They are the mirror image of the racist boogeyman who goes to the Obama events and shout the n***** word.

Only their type of jerks actually exist in substantial and vocal numbers. Fair-minded American's won't even have to imagine that they are sticking it to the peanut gallery by voting for R&R, because the peanut gallery wants to be noticed more than anything else.

85 posted on 08/11/2012 7:49:04 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: 1035rep

Scientology / Nichiren Shoshu for me!


86 posted on 08/11/2012 7:52:42 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: NoLibZone; a fool in paradise; Slings and Arrows
Now, if we had a Sunni / Moonie ticket that'd be the news!
87 posted on 08/11/2012 7:55:29 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: LukeSW; Colofornian; Elsie; svcw; Zakeet; Tennessee Nana; aMorePerfectUnion; Godzilla; fishtank; ..
You see, the secret key to understanding how The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints works is that we have all been given the gift of the Holy Ghost after our baptism. That means each of us has the ability and opportunity to go to the source, the Savior, and seek and receive inspiration and guidance for our own affairs and decisions in life, and receive personal revelation and inspiration. Sometimes it comes as a feeling, sometimes as unanticipated thoughts and events. But it is always personal

I hate to break the news to you Luke, but millions of Christians have the "opportunity to go to the source, the Savior...with Christian baptism that has nothing to do with the mormon church.

88 posted on 08/11/2012 8:03:45 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Tell the 52,000 mormon missionaries to stop going worldwide proclaiming Christianity to be false.)
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To: LukeSW

Man you love to talk about yourself, you didn’t even know about Mitt’s seeking the meeting and asking permission, you still don’t, yet you are lying and “guaranteeing” that he did not do so.

All your rambling nonsense and details about your personal life is just bizarre and unfocused.


89 posted on 08/11/2012 8:08:51 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP goes for it's "conservative" Presidential candidates.)
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To: mountainfolk

“I think the fact that Paul Ryan is a Catholic helps to make him a comfortable fit for the VP position because he will be working closely with Mormon Mitt Romney when they are the winners of the presidential election in November. Catholics and Mormons have a respect for the religious convictions of others and debating religious differences will not be time consuming for either.
Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan have a Republic to save and that is where their efforts will be concentrated. God bless them both.”


You should rethink your phrase “God bless”.

2Jn 1:9-11 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. (10) If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: (11) For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.


90 posted on 08/11/2012 8:09:52 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: RaisingCain
Save your bull sh-t for your like minded friends. I did not ask God to bless you but I repeat, God bless Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan.
91 posted on 08/11/2012 8:23:55 PM PDT by mountainfolk ( God bless America)
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To: mountainfolk

“Save your bull sh-t for your like minded friends. I did not ask God to bless you but I repeat, God bless Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan.”


It’s a twofer. Not only is Mitt Romney a leader in a cult, he’s also a known pathological liar. I can understand sympathy for Glenn Beck, who has done good work for our cause... but “blessing” Mitt Romney even after seeing that scripture? It proves you don’t care about the moral character of your leaders, but then you still expect God to bless them and the country that elected them. Quite foolish.

This country does not have a Barack Obama or Mitt Romney problem. It is a spiritual problem. And that is why we have the “leaders” we do. The farce that is today’s politics reflects the farce in our own visions of “righteousness” and what is a priority.


92 posted on 08/11/2012 8:32:53 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: Jim from C-Town


No he doesn't. Not even close.

Romney is still the "Father of Gay Marriage" in America, he still supports gays in the Boy Scouts, he still supports Gay Adoption, he is still weak on Abortion, he still nominated 27 of 36 extreme left-wing Progressive Liberals to judgeships in MA, he still implemented his Socialistic Healthcare called RomneyCare.

In short, his record still stands, Paul Ryan wipes none of that away.

You're only hope as a Romney supporter is that there are enough ignorant and enough unprincipled conservatives out there to put Romney over the top.

However, after the convention, what you want to bet that surrogates of Obama will be hammering his hypocrisy where conservative principles are concerned, pointing out how similiar their records are on many important conservative principles?
93 posted on 08/11/2012 8:53:21 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: ansel12

Biden has excommunicated himself by supporting abortion and other non-Catholic issues. He should not be received Communion. However, I don’t know if his bishop has acted formally as Sibelius’ did.


94 posted on 08/11/2012 9:02:28 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: RKBA Democrat

Amen


95 posted on 08/11/2012 9:09:11 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Salvation

If the Catholic church has excommunicated the vice-president of the United “States, I think it would make the news.

You are not a trustworthy source for the claims.


96 posted on 08/11/2012 9:12:58 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP goes for it's "conservative" Presidential candidates.)
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To: RaisingCain

Okay, who WOULD you have voted for?


97 posted on 08/12/2012 3:27:54 AM PDT by MDspinboyredux
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To: NoLibZone
Mormon-Catholic pairing makes for historically unique GOP ticket

You come a LONG way, Baby!





 
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
 
It appears that Mitt no longer 'sustains' this High Priest!!
98 posted on 08/12/2012 4:12:54 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: mylife
Oh God, give this religion thing a rest. /s

Oh; don't worry, Ma'am!

We'll 'rest' after we get home from our years tour on the battlefield.

Right now though; we are engaged in a great religious war, testing whether this nation, or any nation, so conceived and so dedicated to Christ, can long endure it's homegrown heresies.

We are taking the message that Christianity was apostate, until our blessed Joseph RESTORED it to it's former glory, to the streets and pathways of AMEIRCA, 6 days a week - 10 hours a day.

99 posted on 08/12/2012 4:18:43 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: mylife
Keep chipping away at the liars, their influence is waning.

I'm doing whatever I can!!




"Now the way he translated was he put the urim and thummim into his hat and Darkned his Eyes than he would take a sentance and it would apper in Brite Roman Letters. Then he would tell the writer and he would write it. Then that would go away the next sentance would Come and so on. But if it was not Spelt rite it would not go away till it was rite, so we see it was marvelous. Thus was the hol [whole] translated."
---Joseph Knight's journal.


"In writing for your father I frequently wrote day after day, often sitting at the table close by him, he sitting with his face buried in his hat, with the stone in it, and dictating hour after hour with nothing between us."
(History of the RLDS Church, 8 vols.
(Independence, Missouri: Herald House,1951),
"Last Testimony of Sister Emma [Smith Bidamon]," 3:356.

"I, as well as all of my father's family, Smith's wife, Oliver Cowdery and Martin Harris, were present during the translation. . . . He [Joseph Smith] did not use the plates in translation."
---(David Whitmer,
as published in the "Kansas City Journal," June 5, 1881,
and reprinted in the RLDS "Journal of History", vol. 8, (1910), pp. 299-300.

In an 1885 interview, Zenas H. Gurley, then the editor of the RLDS Saints Herald, asked Whitmer if Joseph had used his "Peep stone" to do the translation. Whitmer replied:

"... he used a stone called a "Seers stone," the "Interpreters" having been taken away from him because of transgression. The "Interpreters" were taken from Joseph after he allowed Martin Harris to carry away the 116 pages of Ms [manuscript] of the Book of Mormon as a punishment, but he was allowed to go on and translate by use of a "Seers stone" which he had, and which he placed in a hat into which he buried his face, stating to me and others that the original character appeared upon parchment and under it the translation in English."


"Martin Harris related an incident that occurred during the time that he wrote that portion of the translation of the Book of Mormon which he was favored to write direct from the mouth of the Prophet Joseph Smith. He said that the Prophet possessed a seer stone, by which he was enabled to translate as well as from the Urim and Thummim, and for convenience he then used the seer stone, Martin explained the translation as follows: By aid of the seer stone, sentences would appear and were read by the Prophet and written by Martin and when finished he would say 'Written,' and if correctly written that sentence would disappear and another appear in its place, but if not written correctly it remained until corrected, so that the translation was just as it was engraven on the plates, precisely in the language then used."
(Edward Stevenson, "One of the Three Witnesses,"
reprinted from Deseret News, 30 Nov. 1881
in Millennial Star, 44 (6 Feb. 1882): 86-87.)

In 1879, Michael Morse, Emma Smith's brother-in-law, stated:
 
 "When Joseph was translating the Book of Mormon [I] had occasion more than once to go into his immediate presence, and saw him engaged at his work of translation. The mode of procedure consisted in Joseph's placing the Seer Stone in the crown of a hat, then putting his face into the hat, so as to entirely cover his face, resting his elbows upon his knees, and then dictating word after word, while the scribes Emma, John Whitmer, O. Cowdery, or some other wrote it down."
(W.W. Blair interview with Michael Morse,
Saints Herald, vol. 26, no. 12
June 15, 1879,  pp. 190-91.)


Joseph Smith's brother William also testified to the "face in the hat" version:
 
"The manner in which this was done was by looking into the Urim and Thummim, which was placed in a hat to exclude the light, (the plates lying near by covered up), and reading off the translation, which appeared in the stone by the power of God"
("A New Witness for Christ in America,"
Francis W. Kirkham, 2:417.)


"The manner in which he pretended to read and interpret was the same manner as when he looked for the money-diggers, with the stone in his hat, while the book of plates were at the same time hid in the woods."
---Isaac Hale (Emma Smith's father's) affidavit, 1834.




100 posted on 08/12/2012 4:21:43 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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