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FACT CHECK: Questionable claims in veep debut (AP at it already)
AP/pioneer press ^ | 8-11-12 | CALVIN WOODWARD and HENRY C. JACKSON

Posted on 08/11/2012 12:58:34 PM PDT by TurboZamboni

WASHINGTON—In his debut as Mitt Romney's running mate, Paul Ryan promised "America's comeback team" won't duck tough budget issues, although the man standing next to him has kept his head low so far. Romney vowed the duo would "preserve" Medicare, an eye-popping claim considering Ryan wants to transform the program from the ground up. Not all the rhetoric fit neatly with reality or with the record when Romney introduced his Republican vice presidential choice to the nation Saturday. A look at some of the claims by the Wisconsin congressman and Romney, and how they compare with the facts.

ROMNEY: "Unlike the current president, who has cut Medicare funding by $700 billion, we will preserve and protect Medicare and Social Security and keep them there for future generations."

THE FACTS:

(Excerpt) Read more at twincities.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2008electionbias; 2012electionbias; 2012veep; agitprop; americanpravda; ap; apbias; asspress; buttociatedpress; dnctalkingpoints; factcheck; getryan; obamatruthfile; obamawasntvetted; paulryan; presstitutes; ryan; yellowjournalism; zogbyism
The AP presstitues are at it already...
1 posted on 08/11/2012 12:58:48 PM PDT by TurboZamboni
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To: TurboZamboni

i refuse to read anything form the useless POS spinners.


2 posted on 08/11/2012 1:02:10 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (0bama's agenda¬óDivide and conquer.)
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To: TurboZamboni

This ain’t nothin’. JUST wait til after Labor Day. The press is going to go HARD after Romney/Ryan.

Quite frankly, I just see this as setting up 2016 for Ryan to run for POTUS.


3 posted on 08/11/2012 1:02:33 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: RIghtwardHo
Quite frankly, I just see this as setting up 2016 for Ryan to run for POTUS.

Should Obama win a 2nd term, what makes you think there will be a 2016 election?

4 posted on 08/11/2012 1:06:55 PM PDT by bcsco
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To: TurboZamboni

When is AP coming out with the story about Paul Ryan stomping puppies to death and eating live kittens ?


5 posted on 08/11/2012 1:11:15 PM PDT by clamper1797 (I mourn for the America I grew up in ..fought for ..and loved ..July 4 1776- June 28 2012)
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To: TurboZamboni
Romney is already a dog abuser, a felon, a tax cheat, and a murderer. What else can they call him?

-PJ

6 posted on 08/11/2012 1:13:30 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too ( It doesn't come naturally when you're not natural born.)
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To: bcsco
Should Obama win a 2nd term, what makes you think there will be a 2016 election?

Oh, there will be an election. Even Communist Russia had elections. They were sham elections, but they were elections. As Stalin said, "Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything."

If Obama wins a second term, he will do all in his power to stuff the ballot box by speeding up citizenship for the alien invaders, eliminating voter identification requirements, and selectively suppressing GOP-oriented voting groups, like he is doing with the military in Ohio.

7 posted on 08/11/2012 1:16:06 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: TurboZamboni
R&R are running against Obama and the media. I wonder if they realize this?
8 posted on 08/11/2012 1:18:04 PM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: TurboZamboni

“Romney vowed the duo would “preserve” Medicare, an eye-popping claim considering Ryan wants to transform the program from the ground up.”

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Numbskulls don’t understand that the only way to preserve Medicare is to overhaul it.


9 posted on 08/11/2012 1:18:14 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: Political Junkie Too

Basically the Obama BRIDES have called him a rapist.


10 posted on 08/11/2012 1:19:32 PM PDT by Toespi
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To: TurboZamboni
AP was engrossed in their regular cocaine fueled homosexual weekend party when a “FACT CHECK” broke out.
11 posted on 08/11/2012 1:20:59 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Siri: Gold Baby, Gold!)
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To: TurboZamboni
Ap, Reuters etc write for total;l morons who exist on 4 word sound bites.

Romney/Ryan claim to “preserve and protect Medicare for future generations” does not mean maintaining the status quo. Ditto SS.

A program can be changed i.e. improved without being terminated. Notice the libs don't claim Ryan will do away with Medicare, only that he would “do away with Medicare AS WE KNOW IT”

Ryan's plan would save Medicare for many future generations as would the privatization of SS.

12 posted on 08/11/2012 1:23:13 PM PDT by beenaround
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To: TurboZamboni
AP = toilet bowl scum w/ typewriters word processors computers.
13 posted on 08/11/2012 1:32:09 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Harry Reid [PERVERT-NV] has Vickie-the-goat in lingerie & stiletto heels, tied-up in his office.)
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To: beenaround

That is the argument Ryan is going to have to make — that the reforms he wants to put in place will actually preserve and save programs like SS and Medicare.

It is a VERY tough sale. Historically, Republicans have been obliterated when they have tried to make it.

Hopefully, we can pull it off this time, but I don’t have a lot of confidence in an American electorate that voted in a Kenyan Socialist by a large margin last time, and have him ahead in most polls today.


14 posted on 08/11/2012 1:38:22 PM PDT by comebacknewt (Newt (sigh) what could have been . . .)
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To: Toespi
We already had a rapist as President. They'll have to do better than that.

-PJ

15 posted on 08/11/2012 1:44:10 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too ( It doesn't come naturally when you're not natural born.)
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To: fatnotlazy; TurboZamboni; beenaround; comebacknewt; zot; Interesting Times

An interesting Gallup Poll showing that Seniors prefer Ryan’s budget plan over Obama’s.

“Ryan’s plan includes a complete restructuring of Medicare for people younger than 55. Pluralities of middle-aged Americans as well as those 65 and older prefer Ryan’s plan to Obama’s....”

http://www.gallup.com/poll/147287/Americans-Divided-Ryan-Obama-Deficit-Plans.aspx?version=print


16 posted on 08/11/2012 1:49:13 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Political Junkie Too
Romney is already a dog abuser, a felon, a tax cheat, and a murderer. What else can they call him?

Many on FR are even harsher - the call him Obama's identical twin.

17 posted on 08/11/2012 1:51:05 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: comebacknewt

Ahead in most polls? Oh you mean the ones in which they poll 8-12% more Dems and then National Adults or Reg voters?

LOL, even NBC’s own Chuck Todd admitted the polling is skewed toward Democrats.


18 posted on 08/11/2012 1:51:33 PM PDT by beenaround
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To: TurboZamboni

I guess “Community Organizer” is the top wrung of the ladder for these asshats.


19 posted on 08/11/2012 2:00:11 PM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: TurboZamboni
...an eye-popping claim considering Ryan wants to transform the program from the ground up.

Yeah, Ryan is so effing radical he wants PEOPLE TO BE IN CHARGE OF THEIR OWN MEDICAL INSURANCE and NOT GOVERNMENT BUREAUCRATS.

Damn, he is soooo crazy.

20 posted on 08/11/2012 2:13:35 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Pollster1
I left out wimpy bully.

-PJ

21 posted on 08/11/2012 2:26:26 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too ( It doesn't come naturally when you're not natural born.)
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To: TurboZamboni

If a news story labels itself as a ‘fact check’, its a pretty safe bet that the story is pure editorial opinion and the reporter thinks putting the word ‘fact’ in the headlines will somehow give their opinions more credility with the intended audience.

I can’t count the number of ‘Fact Check’ articles I have read this year that amount to ‘Yes the conservatives candidate’s numbers are correct but its very unfair to measure the success of Obama’s programs in objective terms’ or ‘Yes, the liberal candidate’s statements were techically wrong but he meant well so we should give him credit for that.’

Note to liberal reporters: facts are objective things like numbers or dates, not interpretations. If you want to advance the argument that MediCare can be better ‘preserved’ by promising much more than we can possibly afford to deliver until the system collapses than by matching promises with revenue, at least have the decency to call your piece an editorial opinion.


22 posted on 08/11/2012 2:27:38 PM PDT by CaptainMorgantown
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To: CaptainMorgantown
"Note to liberal reporters: facts are objective things like numbers or dates, not interpretations. If you want to advance the argument that MediCare can be better ‘preserved’ by promising much more than we can possibly afford to deliver until the system collapses than by matching promises with revenue, at least have the decency to call your piece an editorial opinion."

Expecting decency from lieberal reporters? Wow, talk about being optimistic!

23 posted on 08/11/2012 2:39:03 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: GreyFriar

Of course the Communist media will try to destroy Ryan. Conservative friends have already called me to share their joy that Romney picked Ryan as his VP.


24 posted on 08/11/2012 3:07:29 PM PDT by zot
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To: Pearls Before Swine

If Obama wins a second term, what makes you think that the federal government in Washington DC will still be standing in 2016?


25 posted on 08/11/2012 3:11:57 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: GreyFriar
I'm not surprised. We can't just get rid of Medicare at this stage, but we can gradually transition the younger generation to taking more financial responsibility for their health care. The Ryan plan will achieve that end of at least move us in that direction. It's the right thing to do. Dems just want to let everything go on. Eventually, the program will fall apart and there will be nothing left for anyone. I think all but the brain dead Obama true believers recognize that the Democrats are the ones who want to destroy Medicare.
26 posted on 08/11/2012 3:25:07 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: sergeantdave
If Obama wins a second term, what makes you think that the federal government in Washington DC will still be standing in 2016?

Revolution is hard to do.

Short of that, there will be a show of form over substance.

27 posted on 08/11/2012 3:29:50 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Steely Tom
R&R are running against Obama and the media. I wonder if they realize this?

Romney's team may not, but Ryan's successfully been reelected in a heavily Democrat district, what, six times? I assume he knows this. Whether Romney's team will listen to him, or Palinize him is another story.

28 posted on 08/11/2012 3:35:47 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (FUMR)
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To: TurboZamboni

This is the same AP that said four years ago that they would put opinion or editorialize in their reporting and not just in their opinion pieces.


29 posted on 08/11/2012 4:17:27 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Congrats to Ted Kennedy! He's been sober for two years now!!)
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To: clamper1797

Yep. Of course, any Medicare proposal is met with howls of “now Granny will have to eat dog food” and SCARE THE PANTS OFF THE SENIORS!


30 posted on 08/11/2012 4:33:05 PM PDT by Twinkie (John 3:16)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

“Revolution is hard to do.”

And trying to maintain a commie regime with a bunch of fat-ass clowns who have never been steeped in combat is even more hard to do, ie, see Kaddhafi’s mercenaries and elite guard who ended up hanging from lampposts. Kaddhafi’s chief of the army was dragged into the courtyard and got his brains blown out.

Always a pleasure to talk with you, Pearls Before Swine. Best wishes to you and your family.


31 posted on 08/11/2012 6:37:54 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: Twinkie

On current medicare granny already has to eat dog food if she has nothing else to rely on. But with the Chile plan, or the Galveston plan...granny could eat a lot better with the savings she’s invested as opposed to the current plan where politicians consfiscate her money and use it to buy votes.

The rat plan...keep them begging.


32 posted on 08/11/2012 7:35:04 PM PDT by Aria ( 2008 wasn't an election - it was a coup d'etat.)
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To: Aria

“The rat plan...keep them begging.”

Yep. Begging; and on the Democrat Plantation.


33 posted on 08/12/2012 5:52:19 PM PDT by Twinkie (John 3:16)
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