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Romney's Choice of Ryan Aimed at Winning Middle Class
National Journal ^ | August 11, 2012 | Jim Tankersley

Posted on 08/11/2012 8:26:54 PM PDT by neverdem

AP Photo/Mary Altaffer

Republican presidential candidate, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, right, and vice presidential candidate Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., wave at the crowd during a campaign event, Saturday, Aug. 11, 2012 in Norfolk, Va. 

 

Thanks to Paul Ryan, Campaign 2012 is now a two-front class war.

Mitt Romney wanted the election to be a straight-up referendum on President Obama’s handling of the economy. Obama responded by framing the race as a choice between an incumbent middle-class champion and a corporate raider whose plans would only help the rich.

(RELATED: Romney's Pick of Ryan Brings Medicare to Center Stage)

Polls suggested Obama’s frame was winning out. Romney continues to trail, even though voters dislike Obama’s handling of the economy and trust Romney more to fix it, and even though Romney has spent a lot of time and money pushing a narrative of Obama hating success.

Poor and middle-class workers tolerate fewer attacks on the rich in America than in other developed nations; most of them still believe that if they work hard enough, they’ve got a shot to get rich, too. Still, it’s tough to win a class war squarely on the side of the wealthy. Aspirational voters don’t like the possibility that government policy is rigged to help the rich get richer and keep the middle class from getting ahead. That’s where Obama’s attacks have connected.

(RELATED: Strong Rapport with Romney Brings Ryan to Top)

That’s also why putting Ryan on the ticket is a chance for Romney to turn the class attacks back on Obama, reframing the election as a choice between a challenger who wants to boost the middle class and a president who wants to funnel hard-earned middle-class tax dollars to the poor.

America is about to learn a lot about Ryan’s signature legislative proposal, the House Republican budget. Democrats will howl about its goal of converting Medicare to a “premium support” system that gives seniors checks to buy health coverage. That’s the risk of picking Ryan, as Republicans well know.

(RELATED: Romney-Ryan Ticket Launch 'Blue State' Bus Tour)

Republicans, though, could use the Ryan budget as a class-war weapon. It reduces federal spending and brings down the debt – ideas middle-class voters love in concept. And it does so, over the long term, by carving huge chunks of spending growth off programs to help the poor. By 2050, the Congressional Budget Office estimated this year, the Ryan plan would reduce spending on Medicaid and the federal children’s health insurance program to one-quarter of the level it is otherwise projected to reach.

Tack on Romney’s proposed tax cut – similar to Ryan’s plan in both the size of its reduction in marginal rates and the lack of detail about what tax expenditures would go away to offset lost revenue – and you’re looking at a decidedly conservative class appeal: more money for middle class workers, less for the wards of the government.

(RELATED: Mitt's Veep App Gets Scooped)

Romney ran early iterations of this argument all last week, with his claims – refuted by independent fact-checkers – that Obama was stripping work requirements from federal welfare programs. Ryan scales up the argument, quickly. It’s no accident that Ryan’s introductory bus tour will roll through blue-collar Virginia under the banner of the “Romney Plan for a Stronger Middle Class.”

The strategy carries big risks. Worst case for Republicans, the move could fire up a less-enthused Democratic base and turn swing voters against them. This is what Democratic consultants Stan Greenberg, James Carville, and Erica Seifert predicted in July, in a strategy memo drawn from polling and focus groups focused squarely on Ryan’s plan.

“Obama’s lead against Romney more than doubles when the election is framed as a choice between the two candidates’ positions on the Ryan budget– particularly its impact on the most vulnerable,” the consultants wrote, adding that Obama makes “significant gains” among unmarried women, young voters, and Latinos when voters hear specific details about how the Ryan budget would affect education, the poor, and the elderly.

But in a best-case Republican scenario, the new frame puts Democrats on their heels and lets Romney steal the “hope” card from the former Hope and Change candidate.

Obama would be stuck defending welfare and Medicaid instead of jabbing Romney for high-income tax cuts. Republican donors and core conservative voters would be energized. Aspirational middle-class voters would see Romney as the optimist and Obama as the defeatist: The Republican wants them to get rich. The Democrat wants them dependent on the state. That’s a choice election the GOP would take any year.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012issues; 2012veep; middleclass; romney2012

1 posted on 08/11/2012 8:26:57 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
Romney's Choice of Ryan Aimed at Winning Middle Class

Yeah, good luck with that. IMO, the Romney-Ryan ticket is a yawner.

2 posted on 08/11/2012 8:31:04 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: neverdem

Yep. No pandering to former slaves, former Aztecs, former something or other survivors, present poofters and other preverts!


3 posted on 08/11/2012 8:36:36 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: neverdem
Obama responded by framing the race as a choice between an incumbent middle-class champion and a corporate raider whose plans would only help the rich

Incumbent middle-class champion?? Who? Where?

4 posted on 08/11/2012 8:38:07 PM PDT by SCalGal (Friends don't let friends donate to H$U$, A$PCA, or PETA.)
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To: neverdem
DemocRats will scare the seniors into believing that Ryan's plan to reform entitlements will cut their benefits. This has already begun!

GOP needs to shout loudly that Ryan's plan changes nothing for those 55 & over. Their Medicare & Social Security remains exactly as is.

5 posted on 08/11/2012 8:38:29 PM PDT by entropy12 (Hate is the most insidious emotion, it will encourage cancer cells in your body.)
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To: entropy12

And for those of us at the tail end of the Baby Boom (dob 1960)....

WE”RE STILL SCREWED!


6 posted on 08/11/2012 8:43:17 PM PDT by lightman (Settling for the "lesser of two..." is still choosing Evil)
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To: lightman

How so? If you are under 55, with current Medicare system you will have nothing..zero..nada..because it is going bankrupt in 10-15 years.

With Ryan’s plan you will get vouchers to shop for your own health insurance, which fosters competition and hence reduced costs. So there is very good chance you will get at least some help.

With Social security, if you are under 55, you can put portion of your FICA tax in your own plan which will be divorced from government interference, and you can even leave the money to your children.


7 posted on 08/11/2012 8:51:12 PM PDT by entropy12 (Hate is the most insidious emotion, it will encourage cancer cells in your body.)
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To: Revolting cat!

Hillarious. :^D


8 posted on 08/11/2012 8:56:47 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: entropy12

But this is the whole war on poverty issue. The war on poverty -— poverty won.

Medicaid sucks. You are more likely to die ON medicaid than no insurance!!!
a study pointed this out.

Education. Head Start does not work. No gains after 1 year. Pell Grants.
They have jimmied up these two programs doubling and tripling.
What does it get you? You get cut $3000-$5000 check by attending one class. It raises the tuition rates. b/c of subsidizing.

It’s DEATH AND DESTRUCTION BY GOVERNMENT OF HEALTHCARE
AND EDUCATION. AND OBAMA’s BIG IDEA IS MORE OF THE SAME.
INVESTMENT HE CALLS IT.

I think this is the nightmare scenario for Obama. Ryan ticket

Obama has no new ideas, never had a new idea in 4 years.
The same liberal Carter big government liberal. AT least Carter was somewhat
pro market???? deregulation of airlines???
NOw Obama wants to take over manufacturing and other industries
like auto industries?? WTF?????

Romney-Ryan could be the idea ticket. New ideas. GAO, get rid of
duplicate programs. Welfare reform.

Why dump money down a rat hole like the stimulus?


9 posted on 08/11/2012 9:01:36 PM PDT by preamble
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To: neverdem
The Ryan pick is a Hail Mary pass meant to appeal to the few remaining American who bother to balance their checkbooks and live within their means.

After this election the demographics of this country change so dramatically there will never again be an American who sits at his kitchen table, thinking about his own bills, reading the papers while rubbing his head thinking "how the hell are the clowns in Washington ever going to dig us out of the mess they've gotten us into?"

That kind of American, that kind of American, is gone, finished, done in 4 years. Replaced by the gimme-gimme entitlement moochers. Lights out. Good-night Irene.

10 posted on 08/11/2012 9:12:54 PM PDT by Oratam
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To: lightman

I think that Mitt’s slip of the tongue, “President Ryan” means he figures that he has a poor chance and that Ryan is the future hope of the party.

So far as Social Security is concerned. I ran across this information. The cap for salaries subject to the SS tax used to be 90% of all earners, top income around $106,000 about 5 years ago. Now, however, salaries at the top have expanded so much that a cap at the 90% level should be $215,000, but in fact is only $110,000 which is now somewhere in the 80% range. Supposedly increasing immediately to the 90% level would reduce SS shortfall by around 36%. If Ryan wants to support middle class wage earners, and retirees then he should push this change asap.


11 posted on 08/11/2012 9:20:10 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: lightman

True, but we knew that from the start. I’m just a year older than you but I realized long time ago that the Ponzi scheme they call Social Security was not going to be around by the time I retired, so I have not factored it into my reasoning.

I’ll have to work until I die, there will be no pension for me — unless I want to quit now and be a useless drone until the crash comes.


12 posted on 08/12/2012 12:04:27 AM PDT by Ronin (Dumb, dependent and Democrat is no way to go through life - Rep. L. Gohmert, Tex)
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To: neverdem
"The Republican wants them to get rich. The Democrat wants them dependent on the state. That’s a choice election the GOP would take any year."

Yep!

13 posted on 08/12/2012 12:27:51 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: neverdem
(Article) Aspirational voters don’t like the possibility that government policy is rigged to help the rich get richer and keep the middle class from getting ahead. That’s where Obama’s attacks have connected.

Pigs at the trough openly stuck their hands in the till in 2008 and put us trillions into debt ..... and now it comes back to bite them on the ass. Amazing how that happens.

And at the worst possible moment, with a Stalinist cabal waiting obviously for years in the wings, to push aside the last of the liberals and take us into a Marxist-Leninist totalitarian dictatorship. Thanks, piggie Republicans!

As for Ryan being an "aspirational" UMC candidate .... looking at the map seems to have more explanatory power. He's a Battleground State moderate Republican who knows how to speak Budget. Looks like a pretty-obvious strategy to me!

14 posted on 08/12/2012 2:02:59 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: neverdem
(Art.) Democratic consultants Stan Greenberg, James Carville, and Erica Seifert predicted in July, in a strategy memo drawn from polling and focus groups focused squarely on Ryan’s plan......

So that's what Serpent Head has been up to. Wargaming every Republican nominee and VP possibility and focus-grouping the election to death, just like Slick did with his Chinese reptile money in 1995.

15 posted on 08/12/2012 2:10:33 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: lightman
And for those of us at the tail end of the Baby Boom (dob 1960).... WE”RE STILL SCREWED!

At least you won't be getting snuffed out by Bill Ayers's Death Panels, like those of us in the leading-edge of the Boom, and the War Babies.

16 posted on 08/12/2012 2:16:32 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: DustyMoment

Who did you want??


17 posted on 08/12/2012 3:10:23 AM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: neverdem
Romney's Choice of Ryan Aimed at Winning Middle Class

LOL! I think Romney's choice of Ryan was aimed more at preventing conservatives from leaving in droves!

18 posted on 08/12/2012 3:26:48 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as Created by the Laws of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man)
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To: DustyMoment
We all thought Palin was the greatest choice ever made for a VP when McCain chose her. A successful Gov who did great things for Alaska, made REAL progress in getting rid of the “old boys network” there even though they were Republicans. I agreed with all she did and yet what happened?

She was annihilated by the media and yes McCain never fought back but my point is what we need is a candidate to better appeal to the base without the choice being to controversial and Ryan fits that criteria.

Face it, it wouldn't matter who the choice was they would be attacked and marginalized by the media and the libs who control the media. The big hit on Palin was she was “inexperienced”. Ryan has 14 years experience so that won't fly plus the image he portrays is one of a clean cut man with a beautiful family and to top it off a man who can speak intelligently on the issues.

He needs to get out there immediately and define himself before the sleaze on the Left do it for him. Romney has a ton of money which he cannot spend until the end of the Convention but the Super Pacs have raised a lot of cash and should be and probably are going to spend it talking about Romney and Ryan being the “Bring America Back” guys.

My 2 cents anyway.

19 posted on 08/12/2012 4:48:53 AM PDT by beenaround
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To: neverdem

Romney’s Choice of Ryan Aimed at Winning.

There. Fixed it.

Romney/Ryan 2012


20 posted on 08/12/2012 4:53:57 AM PDT by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: neverdem

The article fails to mention an important aspect to the Ryan pick:

Ryan is a fighter, and there is no doubt he will take the fight directly to Obama.

The fact that Romney picked a fighter means he’s a fighter too, and isn’t going to lay down and surrender the way McCain did.

I know what some are thinking, that McCain too picked a fighter VP and then not only surrendered but muzzled Palin to enable his own surrender.

But there’s a big difference. First of all, McCain didn’t pick Palin as a fighter, he picked her as a woman. He wanted a pair of high heels on his ticket and when Palin tried to be more than that, she was immediately shut down by her handlers.

Ryan is being picked as a fighter. I predict there are going to be no Romney handlers trying to hold Ryan back.

We are going to see a real knock-down drag out fight. It won’t be a fair fight (Obama has the entire media establishment on his side) but it will be a real fight. Unlike McCain’s faux fight.


21 posted on 08/12/2012 5:03:31 AM PDT by samtheman (Obama. Mugabe. Chavez. (Obamugavez))
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To: samtheman

Good post. ITA


22 posted on 08/12/2012 5:07:13 AM PDT by bonfire
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To: samtheman

Yes, this will be a heavyweight fight. God forbid we lose, but if we do, there will no option left but to prepare yourself and your family for hard economic times, including a future with no Social Security or Medicare benefits.

Romney/Ryan needs to be very clear on the choices we have. Then if they win, they have a mandate to propose the hard choices. If they lose, they will have kept the integrity of the GOP intact and no one can claim “we didn’t know” it was this bad.


23 posted on 08/12/2012 6:20:03 AM PDT by randita (Either the politicians fix our fiscal insanity, or the markets will.)
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To: randita

Very good post #23. I really wish more people in FR would read that post and fully understand it.

And wow, 1997 for your sign-up date. I’m impressed. I didn’t realize FR was around in 1997. I thought it started in 1998.


24 posted on 08/12/2012 7:29:08 AM PDT by samtheman (Obama. Mugabe. Chavez. (Obamugavez))
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To: randita

“Romney/Ryan needs to be very clear on the choices we have.”

Agreed, and they need to do that ASAP or they will lose.


25 posted on 08/12/2012 9:19:09 AM PDT by Gator113 (***YOU GAVE it to Obama. I would have voted for NEWT.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: samtheman

Yeah, I’m a real old timer. When Lewinsky broke, this was THE place to be. Back then, a whole day’s contributions were on one web page.


26 posted on 08/12/2012 9:57:48 AM PDT by randita (Either the politicians fix our fiscal insanity, or the markets will.)
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To: samtheman
Ryan is a fighter, and there is no doubt he will take the fight directly to Obama.

He made Obama look dumb in the Obamacare debate and proposed a budget that starts to make sense. Therefore, the left sees him as dangerous.

27 posted on 08/12/2012 11:38:05 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: Ann Archy

First choice was Sarah.

Since she didn’t run, my second choice was Newt.


28 posted on 08/12/2012 1:26:05 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: beenaround

I honestly don’t give a rat’s patootie what the disingenuous, biased media (DBM) says. I consider them to be almost always wrong or so overtly biased to the leftists that their “news” isn’t very newsworthy.

Romney isn’t the choice of the conservatives, he’s the choice of the RNC who shoved him down our throats because he’s beatable. Ryan is benign. He doesn’t excite the base the way that Sarah did and all he brings to Romney is a dead cat bounce.

He may be a good choice for the moderates but, overall, when you look closely at the “team” of Romney-Ryan, it isn’t te most exciting combination that the GOP could have put together. In essence, Romney-Ryan need to pray to God that most conservative voters don’t keep hitting the “snooze” button in November.


29 posted on 08/12/2012 1:32:36 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: DustyMoment

I believe competent is more important than exciting since exciting has no real meaning aside from what it is someone THINKS it means. On the other hand competent has only one meaning and it is the ability ndo satisfactorily do a job.

My personal belief is that a great majority of voting Americans want steadines and professionalism in thier leaders as well as competence. We have neither in the WH and the choice couild not be more clear or easier to make if you are serious about improvement.

Compare as far as ability based on a resume, Obama to Romney and Biden to Ryan. The things about Romney which so upset Conservatives here are not as important as they would be if we weren’t in such dire financial straights. It is all aout priorities.

I did not vote for Romney in the primary but my guy lost and now the most important thing to me is to get rid of Obama. To that end I would happily vote for a warm pile of dog sh*t to occupy the Oval Office.


30 posted on 08/12/2012 2:09:01 PM PDT by beenaround
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To: beenaround

John Roberts is competent and look what that bought us.

He was also considered a “good guy” and we are paying the price for that.

Before he switched sides to keep his political office, a lot of people thought that Arlen Specter was a competent, good guy.

If someone walks into your office to apply for a job and the best thing on their resume is that he is a “good guy”, is that enough to get the job?

This isn’t about hiring a good guy, this is about hiring someone who will literally be a heartbeat away from the POTUS. As a candidate, Romney is as weak as they come, going against an Obama.

Politicians say whatever they think people want to hear. They know that 90% or more of voters haven’t a clue and all they have to do to keep their job is not screw up in public. So, they say things that we want to hear. Tell us more pretty words.

I look at actions. Competence isn’t enough to win my vote. Being a good guy isn’t, either.

With respect to your vote - it really doesn’t matter for whom you vote - the next occupant of the WH will be a “warm pile of dog sh*t”!


31 posted on 08/12/2012 6:50:08 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: DustyMoment
Don't know of many who thought Spectre was a “good guy” since he changed Parties more than once.

I don't think Romney is a good guy, nor do I care. I ran a business back in the day with about 50 employees give or take. Aside from having the ability to at least be civil and have people willing to be in the same room as him or her my primary criteria for affirming a hire was his verified resume and his own ideas of what he could do for ME and my business. I hired people so I could make more money and not to give someone a job.

Romney has the resume and proved work experience to handle the job we need done today. As important as the social aspects of his resume are to you and others such as his positions on homosexuality, health care (Massachusetts), the Boy Scouts etc these are not priority issues at this time. The economy and jobs are the top prority along with controlling spending. My 1st or 2nd choice was not Romney but he is who we have and in any case he is light years better then Obama.

In WW2 Britain asked Churchill to jump back in the saddle and run the war. IMO he was the best leader I have ever seen or read about and he was correct chosen as the right man at the right time. After the war he was unceremoniously dumped as PM because priorities for the Nation had changed.

I have no problem doing the same with Romney or anyone else. Now we need a fiscally adept team to straighten out the mess. If they succeed we can concentrate on pushing Romney more and further right. If that fail then work at replacing him in 2016.

You say you look at actions rather than words. Good idea so look at Romney's history and that should show you he will bring proved success to the job. As for him being weak? I think you may have missed his performance during the primary. He can get nasty with the best of them when he believes he must.

Perhaps as you say either Romney or Obama are no better then “a warm pile of dog sh*t” but at least our wpods knows something about how an economy operates.

32 posted on 08/13/2012 2:32:38 AM PDT by beenaround
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To: beenaround

I appreciate your efforts to defend Romney, but I’m not impressed. He is a moderate who was crammed down down our throats by an arrogant and cynical RNC who has shifted so far to the left that they are now Democrat Lite.

Here is the defining issue about Romney for me. He created the model that zero used to shove ZeroCare on us. zero didn’t find the program under a turnip plant, he got it from Romney who, despite waht he “says”, has also “said” that he has no plans to repeal ZeroCare if he is elected! Why should he? This is the child of his baby we are talking about.

So, we can go back and forth about Romney and Ryan from now to November. I don’t like Romney, I don’t think he is the best choice that conservatives could have gotten and I think Ryan doesn’t bring that much to the ticket. In case you missed it, when Romney was asked on a Sunday talking head program about Ryan’s budget and the Medicare issue, Romney emphatically stated that they would be using HIS budget plan!

So, if Ryan has all this budget experience that Romney plans to ignore, what does he bring to the ticket that I should get so excited about??

As it stands now, I will vote in November. I just won’t vote for either of the two teams we will have to choose from for POTUS and VPOTUS.

Before you give me that tired argument about it being a vote FOR Obama, it isn’t. It doesn’t count FOR either one.

So, help JimRob conserve some of his bandwidth. You aren’t going to change my mind.


33 posted on 08/13/2012 5:44:53 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for white collar criminals!!)
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