Skip to comments.Vermont Scouts say LGBTs are welcome
Posted on 08/12/2012 5:53:16 AM PDT by scottjewell
At least one state chapter of the Boy Scouts of America is not prepared to toe the line with the organizations national ban on LGBTs joining the scouts
The Vermont Chapter of the Boy Scouts of America has reaffirmed its non-discriminatory stance allowing LGBTs to be scouts and scout masters in the face of the national organizations continued refusal to allow LGBTs into the organization.
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I would hope that BSA revokes the leadership positions bestowed to those in Vermont who are trying to hijack the Vermont BSA state organization.
Yes - does not seem right if the BSA organization has a national policy, and then VT just goes its own way. Disrespectful and teaches insubordination.
Vermont Chapter of what? Shut ‘em down, disband the troops and make them re-apply for their charter—conforming to the BSA standards.
Why don’t the gays start their own scouting organization? Come to think of it, why don’t they start their own chain of chicken restaurants as well, rather than trying to force their opinion on others.
Might as well set their own standards for what an Eagle Scout is, and give out merit badges for whatever else they choose too.
Though unpalatable to the unfettered will of moderns, male attractions toward other males are not genetically, environmentally, nor evolutionarily determined anymore than are adultery, cheating on tests, hatred, and status-seeking.
All of these are emotions, appetites, and other such compulsions and impulses.
Anyone who rationalizes the normalization and social and legal acceptance of emotions, appetites, etc., is attempting to force his/her dishonesty, selfishness, and disordered passions onto other people.
Gays can already be Scouts. One of my Scouts says he is gay.
Saying it doesn’t make it true though.
Would you let your young boy stay overnight in the company of a declared male homosexual? I hope not. Any person who would take such a chance with his or her child is unfit to be a parent. If the Vemont disease spreads, this is the end of the Boy Scouts. Given the Scouts tradition of love of God and country and thir creed of self-realiance, this may be the liberals’ real objective.
The article doesn't explain how the Green Mountain Council pulled off that stunt. They created a policy that allows gay scouts and leaders without going against the national BSA's policy that bans gay scouts and leaders?
That ought to put a damper on the annual Bromley Ski Weekend.
Good point! I think every sick, sicko should just found their own, and build from there!
We all know, you cannot build on dung, it just does not make a good foundation!
“If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?” (Psalm 11:3)
Someone should hold them responsible when a homosexual, like Jerry Sandusky, molests a boy.
Left UVM in 1973. Returned in 2008. A genuine tragedy and nightmare experience. Never returning, at home in the SOUTH with God surrounded by believers.
Advice to Vermonters, run like everyone has for centuries from your Green Mountain retreats..
Its simple...remove their charter.
Why do Commie Libtards always have to attempt to ruin one of America’s Longest-Lasting Historical Institutions (BSA), can’t they just form their own BFA club, skip around singing and pack their own fudge?
Why do Commie Libtards always have to attempt to ruin one of America’s Longest-Lasting Historical Institutions (BSA), why can’t they just form their own BFA club, skip around singing and pack their own fudge?
gays start their own scouting organization it would be full of sexual abuse of minors so rampant that it wouldn’t survive a year. And the head gays will be responsible for the massive payout to the parents from all of the lawsuits.
Force the BSA to let them in and they can still have all the access to the boys, but the straight heads will be the ones getting hit with the lawsuits if one of the gay pervs screws up and gets caught.
Names names names.....then, when the lawsuits start coming from the boys who get molested, the lawyers know where to look for the money.
Does the Vermont chapter of Girl Scouts allow heterosexual men to be scout leaders, going out with young women in the woods?
No. But gays refuse to see logic on this point.
Up front let me say that I am in Vermont and a scoutmaster, and yes this state is a socialist hell hole.
This report comes from the ‘gay star news’- seriously people do you think that any drivel that comes from this source should be taken seriously, they can’t even get the name of the BSA council correct. The Onion is more reliable.
I got the letter from the Green mountain council stating that there is no change to the standing policy. The one that has been in place since 2001 after the Supreme court ruled in favor of the BSA. It does reaffirm that there is a non discrimination policy in place, just as national. It goes on to further state that if the BSA stance is a ‘deal breaker’ for the youth so be it. The Green Mountain Council will follow the National BSA charter.
This is an attempt by the homosexual lobby to make it look like they are making progress while in reality they are loosing ground ( see Chic Fil A). Homosexual will lie if they think in benefits there cause. Never trust anything from a Homosexual group- period.
Sad thing is, gay advocates refuse to view Sandusky as a homosexual. “He was a pedophile, completely different” is their stock response. No matter the gender of his victims.
So lesbians can become Boy Scouts now. Learn something ever’ day, I tells ya.
Gay troop masters should call themselves Chickenhawks since they prey on young boys.
Just as the term “teabagger” was used to slur conservatives, so was the homosexual term “chickenhawk” used an administration earlier.
I think the article is basically a load of crap. The one quote they give from the Green Mountain Council:
The Green Mountain Councils policy reads, The Green Mountain Council, Boy Scouts of America, does not inquire into the sexual orientation of existing or prospective members, youth or adult.
Is essentially what the National Policy is. The BSA does not inquire or ask about sexual orientation.
The language used to describe the BSA's policies on homosexual individuals has evolved over time. In a 1993 position statement, BSA said:
"We do not allow for the registration of avowed homosexuals as members or as leaders of the BSA."
In 2004, the BSA adopted a new policy statement, including the following as a "Youth Leadership" policy:
"Boy Scouts of America believes that homosexual conduct is inconsistent with the obligations in the Scout Oath and Scout Law to be morally straight and clean in thought, word, and deed. The conduct of youth members must be in compliance with the Scout Oath and Law, and membership in Boy Scouts of America is contingent upon the willingness to accept Scoutings values and beliefs. Most boys join Scouting when they are 10 or 11 years old. As they continue in the program, all Scouts are expected to take leadership positions. In the unlikely event that an older boy were to hold himself out as homosexual, he would not be able to continue in a youth leadership position."
So in other words Gay Star News is lying, and VT does NOT allow gays to be scouts and scout masters?
So Gay Star News is basically dressing up a DADT policy?
So what are they "not" discriminating against, exactly?
yes, this is the crux of it. How many parents will enroll their boys into a troops headed by an avowed homosexuals, transgendered people or lesbians?
When a child is abused, will the parents be able to file a lawsuit against the National organization because of the decisons of a state chapter?
Pretty much... I am not aware of any Homosexual scout masters in our area. I am sure they could exist somewhere in the state but that is true nation wide. I know for our troop, our committee chair has said that homosexuals will not be allowed. Last year another troop in our town denied membership to a boy who was openly homosexual on the grounds that he did not live up to the Scout oath.
Geez, Gay Star News ought to be refuted. What idiots. Thanks for your info. I only sourced them because they came up on my news alert for BSA.
All Girl Scouts allow heterosexual men to be troop leaders.
We have had many Dads as GS leaders.
However, a male troop leader must have a female (nonrelated) co-leader and when camping there must be separate facilties (sleeping and toilet) for men
All volunteers are background checked
No adult is ever alone with the girls.
I would worry more about a predatory lesbian (or 2) than a male hetero as troop leader, and would not have a male troop leader who did not have a daughter in the troop
Vermont new motto Live LGBT or Die.
It sounds like they have a DADT policy which is thought to be non-discriminatory.
Then they are setting themselves up to get sued. This does not pass the test of rational precaution but instead stands as willful negligence.
Probably so. What we have is a gay publication trying to declare a victor in their war against the Boy Scouts. Several things in the article seem to be contradictory, or at best not very clear.
And the reality probably is that variations of a don't ask, don't tell policy are at play in all sorts of institutions and organizations in the US and elsewhere. But the militant gays just have to go around trying to force even eleven year-old boys to declare an orientation.
The scouts should absolutely bar any gay leaders, but if the gay activists would get out of it there would be little concern about the sexual orientation of 11 - 15 year-old boys. I think most boys are out of scouts by their mid-teens, though some remain longer.
BSA ought to just expire that chapter’s membership.
Either you’re part of the organization and follow the standards, or you become your own organization.
Hey, *let* there be a sodomite scouts. See how many parents let their kids go.
If they keep quiet about it and behave themselves, no one will know that they are afflicted. They’ll be able to participate.
HOMOSEXUAL, because there’s nothing GAY about it.
Homosexual scout leaders ... what could possibly go wrong?
Ha, point well made. ;-)
The scouts may find their existence at an end after a few successful lawsuits for homosexual assault/molestation of children. The indoctrination is bad enough, but enabling direct recruitment to their ranks via unlimited access for molesting innocent children is an abomination.
I was stunned at seeing an old scout leader in a troop my son belonged to years and years ago come out in support of this. I always felt he was dodgy but his statement confirmed it. Either he or his son are both ways based on his statements. I never let my son go on camping trips alone with this troop, I went with him. OTOH, he's a boy scout leader now. My son had a choice before he crossed over into boy scouts and chose another leaders boy scout troop instead of this fellows. We agreed immediately it was the right decision and this fellow actually called and asked "why?".
We had personally witnessed his lack of responsibility for some kids on occasion and weren't willing to submit our child to his care in potentially unsupervised situations. Our impressions were spot on, apparently.
Funny thing: he also ran a football pool. Always ran out of spaces populated by fellow scout dads. Seemingly this year we have a week to go with only3 spots reserved. Guess the word did get out.
Just following our future leader:
Romney: The Boy Scouts should admit homosexuals
Thanks for that, Caipirabob. Compelling and interesting.
THEY WANT YOUR CHILDREN.
That’s what the whole thing is about with the perverts. Get it through your heads.
IT’S ABOUT THE CHILDREN. PERIOD
What is a Chapter? I mean OA Lodges have chapters, but the BSA organization is by region, area, council, district, and finally unit. So, again, what is a chapter? I didn’t click on the link so not sure what they mean - it is pretty simple. If the Scout Executive of the Council in question openly defies BSA policy, they can and should be fired. That is a lot of salary to give up. If it is a unit, chartered by a permissive chartering organization, then the local Council can revoke the charter and all affiliated units are disbanded. That does occasionally happen. By the way, I am a District Commissioner (not in Vermont) so I am kind of informed on the matter.
I believe national policy is that the scouts themselves can be openly gay, but that their leadership cannot. And “leadership” includes older scouts who would take on leadership roles within their troop. An openly gay scout will be denied such leadership roles.
BSA has been weeding out adult gay leaders forever, and will likely continue to do so, or the Boy Scouts will cease to exist, since the majority of parents will not send their young boys to a troop overseen by an overt homosexual.
However, their policy is to not discriminate against boys who want to be scouts, at least until they try to assume leadership positions. All in all, it’s a fair compromise, though compromise is probably a dirty word among leaders in the gay community.
Indeed, you sound very informed and are in a much better position to judge than I am. I did wonder what they meant by “chapter”; did they mean the entire state of Vermont? In any case, it sounds highly suspicious that they would be able to break with national policy set by BSA without repercussions, as you note.