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Vermont Scouts say LGBTs are welcome
Gay Star News ^ | Aug 12 2012 | Andrew Potts

Posted on 08/12/2012 5:53:16 AM PDT by scottjewell

At least one state chapter of the Boy Scouts of America is not prepared to toe the line with the organization’s national ban on LGBTs joining the scouts

The Vermont Chapter of the Boy Scouts of America has reaffirmed its non-discriminatory stance allowing LGBTs to be scouts and scout masters in the face of the national organization’s continued refusal to allow LGBTs into the organization.

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KEYWORDS: bsa; gaystapo; homofascists; homosexualagenda; pedopohiles; sodomhusseinobama; vermont
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1 posted on 08/12/2012 5:53:23 AM PDT by scottjewell
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To: scottjewell

I would hope that BSA revokes the leadership positions bestowed to those in Vermont who are trying to hijack the Vermont BSA state organization.


2 posted on 08/12/2012 5:58:10 AM PDT by DCBurgess58 (In a Capitalist society, men exploit other men. In a Communist society it's exactly the opposite.)
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To: scottjewell
Ya' gotta nip it in the bud, Andy.

These clowns don't give a RA about Scouting or its ideals. Terminate the charter of the troop. However, left alone, the lefties already infiltrated into Scouting will do their bit and bring about the caving effect they have practiced so well. As Barney Fife insightfully noted: ...[N]ip it in the bud.

3 posted on 08/12/2012 5:59:16 AM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (I'm for Churchill in 1940!)
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To: DCBurgess58

Yes - does not seem right if the BSA organization has a national policy, and then VT just goes its own way. Disrespectful and teaches insubordination.


4 posted on 08/12/2012 6:00:26 AM PDT by scottjewell
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To: scottjewell

Vermont Chapter of what? Shut ‘em down, disband the troops and make them re-apply for their charter—conforming to the BSA standards.


5 posted on 08/12/2012 6:01:32 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: scottjewell

Why don’t the gays start their own scouting organization? Come to think of it, why don’t they start their own chain of chicken restaurants as well, rather than trying to force their opinion on others.


6 posted on 08/12/2012 6:05:34 AM PDT by meyer (It's 1860 all over again - the taxpayer is the new "N" word)
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To: scottjewell

Might as well set their own standards for what an Eagle Scout is, and give out merit badges for whatever else they choose too.


7 posted on 08/12/2012 6:06:30 AM PDT by BobL (Cruz'd to Victory - July 31, 2012)
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To: scottjewell

Though unpalatable to the unfettered will of moderns, male attractions toward other males are not genetically, environmentally, nor evolutionarily determined anymore than are adultery, cheating on tests, hatred, and status-seeking.
All of these are emotions, appetites, and other such compulsions and impulses.

Anyone who rationalizes the normalization and social and legal acceptance of emotions, appetites, etc., is attempting to force his/her dishonesty, selfishness, and disordered passions onto other people.


8 posted on 08/12/2012 6:07:31 AM PDT by spirited irish
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To: scottjewell

Gays can already be Scouts. One of my Scouts says he is gay.

Saying it doesn’t make it true though.


9 posted on 08/12/2012 6:10:43 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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Would you let your young boy stay overnight in the company of a declared male homosexual? I hope not. Any person who would take such a chance with his or her child is unfit to be a parent. If the Vemont disease spreads, this is the end of the Boy Scouts. Given the Scouts tradition of love of God and country and thir creed of self-realiance, this may be the liberals’ real objective.


10 posted on 08/12/2012 6:17:04 AM PDT by Godwin1
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To: scottjewell
‘When that happened, the Green Mountain Council as an executive board created their own non-discrimination policy that was in line with what the people of Vermont were comfortable with, without going against the national Boy Scouts of America policy,’ McCollin told the Barre Montpelier Times Argus.

The article doesn't explain how the Green Mountain Council pulled off that stunt. They created a policy that allows gay scouts and leaders without going against the national BSA's policy that bans gay scouts and leaders?

11 posted on 08/12/2012 6:17:25 AM PDT by Will88
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To: scottjewell

That ought to put a damper on the annual Bromley Ski Weekend.


12 posted on 08/12/2012 6:17:35 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfus)
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To: meyer

Good point! I think every sick, sicko should just found their own, and build from there!

We all know, you cannot build on dung, it just does not make a good foundation!

“If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?” (Psalm 11:3)


13 posted on 08/12/2012 6:18:07 AM PDT by Letmarch75
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To: scottjewell
Pull the BSA support from them; they can't be Boy Scouts.

Someone should hold them responsible when a homosexual, like Jerry Sandusky, molests a boy.

14 posted on 08/12/2012 6:21:42 AM PDT by Vision ("Did I not say to you that if you would believe, you would see the glory of God?" John 11:40)
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To: Redleg Duke

Left UVM in 1973. Returned in 2008. A genuine tragedy and nightmare experience. Never returning, at home in the SOUTH with God surrounded by believers.

Advice to Vermonters, run like everyone has for centuries from your Green Mountain retreats..


15 posted on 08/12/2012 6:23:09 AM PDT by Broker (November... VICTORY or DEATH!!)
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To: scottjewell

Its simple...remove their charter.


16 posted on 08/12/2012 6:33:17 AM PDT by ICE-FLYER (God bless and keep the United States of America)
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To: DCBurgess58

Why do Commie Libtards always have to attempt to ruin one of America’s Longest-Lasting Historical Institutions (BSA), can’t they just form their own BFA club, skip around singing and pack their own fudge?


17 posted on 08/12/2012 6:34:53 AM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: DCBurgess58

Why do Commie Libtards always have to attempt to ruin one of America’s Longest-Lasting Historical Institutions (BSA), why can’t they just form their own BFA club, skip around singing and pack their own fudge?


18 posted on 08/12/2012 6:35:25 AM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: meyer

gays start their own scouting organization it would be full of sexual abuse of minors so rampant that it wouldn’t survive a year. And the head gays will be responsible for the massive payout to the parents from all of the lawsuits.

Force the BSA to let them in and they can still have all the access to the boys, but the straight heads will be the ones getting hit with the lawsuits if one of the gay pervs screws up and gets caught.


19 posted on 08/12/2012 6:42:28 AM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: scottjewell

Names names names.....then, when the lawsuits start coming from the boys who get molested, the lawyers know where to look for the money.


20 posted on 08/12/2012 6:44:13 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: scottjewell

Does the Vermont chapter of Girl Scouts allow heterosexual men to be scout leaders, going out with young women in the woods?


21 posted on 08/12/2012 6:45:52 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: SampleMan

No. But gays refuse to see logic on this point.


22 posted on 08/12/2012 6:49:55 AM PDT by scottjewell
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To: scottjewell; All

Up front let me say that I am in Vermont and a scoutmaster, and yes this state is a socialist hell hole.
This report comes from the ‘gay star news’- seriously people do you think that any drivel that comes from this source should be taken seriously, they can’t even get the name of the BSA council correct. The Onion is more reliable.
I got the letter from the Green mountain council stating that there is no change to the standing policy. The one that has been in place since 2001 after the Supreme court ruled in favor of the BSA. It does reaffirm that there is a non discrimination policy in place, just as national. It goes on to further state that if the BSA stance is a ‘deal breaker’ for the youth so be it. The Green Mountain Council will follow the National BSA charter.

This is an attempt by the homosexual lobby to make it look like they are making progress while in reality they are loosing ground ( see Chic Fil A). Homosexual will lie if they think in benefits there cause. Never trust anything from a Homosexual group- period.


23 posted on 08/12/2012 6:51:22 AM PDT by lost in the snow
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To: Vision

Sad thing is, gay advocates refuse to view Sandusky as a homosexual. “He was a pedophile, completely different” is their stock response. No matter the gender of his victims.


24 posted on 08/12/2012 6:52:24 AM PDT by scottjewell
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To: scottjewell; Revolting cat!; Slings and Arrows; wagglebee

So lesbians can become Boy Scouts now. Learn something ever’ day, I tells ya.


25 posted on 08/12/2012 7:07:41 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Eric Holder's NAACP rally against the voter ID laws required the press to bring govt issue photo ID.)
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To: scottjewell
"The Vermont Chapter of the Boy Scouts of America has reaffirmed its non-discriminatory stance allowing LGBTs to be scouts and scout masters..."

Ringing the dinner bell for the predators. Any scout gathering will soon be awash with them.
26 posted on 08/12/2012 7:09:27 AM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: meyer

Gay troop masters should call themselves Chickenhawks since they prey on young boys.

Just as the term “teabagger” was used to slur conservatives, so was the homosexual term “chickenhawk” used an administration earlier.


27 posted on 08/12/2012 7:11:41 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Eric Holder's NAACP rally against the voter ID laws required the press to bring govt issue photo ID.)
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To: Will88
The article doesn't explain how the Green Mountain Council pulled off that stunt. They created a policy that allows gay scouts and leaders without going against the national BSA's policy that bans gay scouts and leaders?

I think the article is basically a load of crap. The one quote they give from the Green Mountain Council:

The Green Mountain Council’s policy reads, ‘The Green Mountain Council, Boy Scouts of America, does not inquire into the sexual orientation of existing or prospective members, youth or adult.’

Is essentially what the National Policy is. The BSA does not inquire or ask about sexual orientation.

The language used to describe the BSA's policies on homosexual individuals has evolved over time. In a 1993 position statement, BSA said:

"We do not allow for the registration of avowed homosexuals as members or as leaders of the BSA."

In 2004, the BSA adopted a new policy statement, including the following as a "Youth Leadership" policy:

"Boy Scouts of America believes that homosexual conduct is inconsistent with the obligations in the Scout Oath and Scout Law to be morally straight and clean in thought, word, and deed. The conduct of youth members must be in compliance with the Scout Oath and Law, and membership in Boy Scouts of America is contingent upon the willingness to accept Scouting’s values and beliefs. Most boys join Scouting when they are 10 or 11 years old. As they continue in the program, all Scouts are expected to take leadership positions. In the unlikely event that an older boy were to hold himself out as homosexual, he would not be able to continue in a youth leadership position."

28 posted on 08/12/2012 7:12:33 AM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: lost in the snow

So in other words Gay Star News is lying, and VT does NOT allow gays to be scouts and scout masters?


29 posted on 08/12/2012 7:13:04 AM PDT by scottjewell
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To: ALPAPilot

So Gay Star News is basically dressing up a DADT policy?


30 posted on 08/12/2012 7:14:40 AM PDT by scottjewell
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To: lost in the snow
It does reaffirm that there is a non discrimination policy in place, just as national.

So what are they "not" discriminating against, exactly?

31 posted on 08/12/2012 7:19:37 AM PDT by thulldud (Is it "alter or abolish" time yet?)
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To: Godwin1

yes, this is the crux of it. How many parents will enroll their boys into a troops headed by an avowed homosexuals, transgendered people or lesbians?

When a child is abused, will the parents be able to file a lawsuit against the National organization because of the decisons of a state chapter?


32 posted on 08/12/2012 7:21:58 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: scottjewell

Pretty much... I am not aware of any Homosexual scout masters in our area. I am sure they could exist somewhere in the state but that is true nation wide. I know for our troop, our committee chair has said that homosexuals will not be allowed. Last year another troop in our town denied membership to a boy who was openly homosexual on the grounds that he did not live up to the Scout oath.


33 posted on 08/12/2012 7:23:17 AM PDT by lost in the snow
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To: lost in the snow

Geez, Gay Star News ought to be refuted. What idiots. Thanks for your info. I only sourced them because they came up on my news alert for BSA.


34 posted on 08/12/2012 7:29:12 AM PDT by scottjewell
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To: SampleMan

All Girl Scouts allow heterosexual men to be troop leaders.
We have had many Dads as GS leaders.

However, a male troop leader must have a female (nonrelated) co-leader and when camping there must be separate facilties (sleeping and toilet) for men

All volunteers are background checked

No adult is ever alone with the girls.
I would worry more about a predatory lesbian (or 2) than a male hetero as troop leader, and would not have a male troop leader who did not have a daughter in the troop


35 posted on 08/12/2012 7:29:23 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: scottjewell

Vermont new motto Live LGBT or Die.


36 posted on 08/12/2012 7:29:43 AM PDT by boomop1 (term limits will only save this country.)
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To: thulldud

It sounds like they have a DADT policy which is thought to be non-discriminatory.


37 posted on 08/12/2012 7:37:14 AM PDT by scottjewell
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To: ALPAPilot
The BSA does not inquire or ask about sexual orientation.

Then they are setting themselves up to get sued. This does not pass the test of rational precaution but instead stands as willful negligence.

38 posted on 08/12/2012 7:46:56 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party Switcheroo: Economic crisis! Zero's eligibility Trumped!! Hillary 2012!!!)
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To: ALPAPilot
I think the article is basically a load of crap.

Probably so. What we have is a gay publication trying to declare a victor in their war against the Boy Scouts. Several things in the article seem to be contradictory, or at best not very clear.

And the reality probably is that variations of a don't ask, don't tell policy are at play in all sorts of institutions and organizations in the US and elsewhere. But the militant gays just have to go around trying to force even eleven year-old boys to declare an orientation.

The scouts should absolutely bar any gay leaders, but if the gay activists would get out of it there would be little concern about the sexual orientation of 11 - 15 year-old boys. I think most boys are out of scouts by their mid-teens, though some remain longer.

39 posted on 08/12/2012 7:59:35 AM PDT by Will88
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To: scottjewell

BSA ought to just expire that chapter’s membership.

Either you’re part of the organization and follow the standards, or you become your own organization.

Hey, *let* there be a sodomite scouts. See how many parents let their kids go.


40 posted on 08/12/2012 8:10:57 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: scottjewell

If they keep quiet about it and behave themselves, no one will know that they are afflicted. They’ll be able to participate.

HOMOSEXUAL, because there’s nothing GAY about it.


41 posted on 08/12/2012 8:12:09 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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Homosexual scout leaders ... what could possibly go wrong?

42 posted on 08/12/2012 8:17:34 AM PDT by Zakeet (If you don't like abortions, don't get one. If I don't like guns, we should ban them.)
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To: Zakeet

Ha, point well made. ;-)


43 posted on 08/12/2012 8:45:17 AM PDT by scottjewell
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To: scottjewell
I always saw this as a legal matter. If you don't protect children from sexual predators, and actually encourage an environment where sexual predators can isolate and attack children, you are creating a legal nightmare for the associated organization.

The scouts may find their existence at an end after a few successful lawsuits for homosexual assault/molestation of children. The indoctrination is bad enough, but enabling direct recruitment to their ranks via unlimited access for molesting innocent children is an abomination.

I was stunned at seeing an old scout leader in a troop my son belonged to years and years ago come out in support of this. I always felt he was dodgy but his statement confirmed it. Either he or his son are both ways based on his statements. I never let my son go on camping trips alone with this troop, I went with him. OTOH, he's a boy scout leader now. My son had a choice before he crossed over into boy scouts and chose another leaders boy scout troop instead of this fellows. We agreed immediately it was the right decision and this fellow actually called and asked "why?".

We had personally witnessed his lack of responsibility for some kids on occasion and weren't willing to submit our child to his care in potentially unsupervised situations. Our impressions were spot on, apparently.

Funny thing: he also ran a football pool. Always ran out of spaces populated by fellow scout dads. Seemingly this year we have a week to go with only3 spots reserved. Guess the word did get out.

44 posted on 08/12/2012 9:21:11 AM PDT by Caipirabob (I say we take off and Newt the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure...)
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To: DCBurgess58

Just following our future leader:

Romney: The Boy Scouts should admit homosexuals
8/7/2012
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2915967/posts


45 posted on 08/12/2012 9:23:21 AM PDT by donna ("...gay couples raising kids. That's the American way..." -Mitt Romney, 2007)
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To: Caipirabob

Thanks for that, Caipirabob. Compelling and interesting.


46 posted on 08/12/2012 9:26:21 AM PDT by scottjewell
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To: DCBurgess58

THEY WANT YOUR CHILDREN.

That’s what the whole thing is about with the perverts. Get it through your heads.

IT’S ABOUT THE CHILDREN. PERIOD


47 posted on 08/12/2012 9:30:53 AM PDT by papageo
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To: scottjewell

What is a Chapter? I mean OA Lodges have chapters, but the BSA organization is by region, area, council, district, and finally unit. So, again, what is a chapter? I didn’t click on the link so not sure what they mean - it is pretty simple. If the Scout Executive of the Council in question openly defies BSA policy, they can and should be fired. That is a lot of salary to give up. If it is a unit, chartered by a permissive chartering organization, then the local Council can revoke the charter and all affiliated units are disbanded. That does occasionally happen. By the way, I am a District Commissioner (not in Vermont) so I am kind of informed on the matter.


48 posted on 08/12/2012 9:31:13 AM PDT by Tuxedo (Drink Tea - not Kool-Aid.)
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To: scottjewell

I believe national policy is that the scouts themselves can be openly gay, but that their leadership cannot. And “leadership” includes older scouts who would take on leadership roles within their troop. An openly gay scout will be denied such leadership roles.

BSA has been weeding out adult gay leaders forever, and will likely continue to do so, or the Boy Scouts will cease to exist, since the majority of parents will not send their young boys to a troop overseen by an overt homosexual.

However, their policy is to not discriminate against boys who want to be scouts, at least until they try to assume leadership positions. All in all, it’s a fair compromise, though compromise is probably a dirty word among leaders in the gay community.


49 posted on 08/12/2012 9:43:16 AM PDT by Norseman (Defund the Left-Completely!)
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To: Tuxedo

Indeed, you sound very informed and are in a much better position to judge than I am. I did wonder what they meant by “chapter”; did they mean the entire state of Vermont? In any case, it sounds highly suspicious that they would be able to break with national policy set by BSA without repercussions, as you note.


50 posted on 08/12/2012 9:49:36 AM PDT by scottjewell
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