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Rasmussen: Ryan favorability 39/25, 52/29 among … seniors
Hotair ^ | 08/12/2012 | Rasmussen

Posted on 08/12/2012 7:37:40 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

The media has talked about Paul Ryan's budget as an albatross that would hang from Mitt Romney's neck with or without Ryan on the ticket, and the assumption has been that Ryan himself will also be a net negative for the GOP in November. Democrats tried to proactively damage Ryan's standing with voters by depicting him pushing an elderly woman off of a cliff in May 2011, when Ryan first proposed his comprehensive, long-term budget reform package in May 2011. Rasmussen Reports has reminds us that a July survey showed Ryan's favorability as mainly positive, albeit with a significant number of likely voters who need more time to make up their minds:

Mitt Romney announced this morning that Wisconsin Congressman Paul Ryan will be his running mate.

Earlier polling found that 39% of all voters had a favorable opinion of Ryan, while 25% offered a negative review. Thirty-five percent (35%) express no opinion of Ryan. The congressman is relatively unknown to the nation at large. Only a third of voters have a strong opinion in either direction.

Wisconsin is a state both sides consider key to the presidential election. Right now, President Obama has a modest three-point lead over Romney in the state, and it remains a Toss-Up in the Rasmussen Reports Electoral College Projections.

Scott Rasmussen has explained why Romney’s roll-out of his vice presidential pick is as important as the choice itself. “Most Americans will learn all they know about the new name on the ticket during the week the candidate is introduced,” he wrote in a recent newspaper column. While 69% of Republicans have a favorable opinion of Ryan, 42% of voters not affiliated with either major political party have no opinion of him one way or the other at this point.

Let’s take a look at the demos from that July poll. What leaps out from that survey is that Ryan actually does better among independents than any of the other presumed short-listers, save Condoleezza Rice, who wasn’t really shortlisted at all. Among unaffiliated voters, Ryan scores a 36/22 favorability, compared to 31/29 for Bobby Jindal, 26/28 for Tim Pawlenty, and a dismal 15/16 for Rob Portman. (Rice was 63/19 among indies.) Ryan also scores best among women, albeit with a narrow 29/25 edge.

For even more counterintuitive results, look at Ryan’s standing among seniors. Despite the attacks on Ryan over his budget plan, he’s easily the most liked of the short-listers among likely voters 65 years of age and over, with a 52/29 favorability rating. His “very favorable” rating of 31% in the 65+ group is more than 10 points better than the other shortlisters in the Rasmussen survey (again, save Rice). Jindal did well, too, with a 44/28, as did Pawlenty with a 40/30 and Portman at 37/26, but Ryan’s draw among seniors outpaced all of them. Ryan has plenty of room to be defined in either direction with 35% of voters overall not having an opinion, but that’s only true of 20% of seniors — and Ryan already has a majority of them on his side.

Looks like the Ryan choice was both bold and pragmatic. It still means that Romney and Ryan have to aggressively push to define Ryan themselves, rather than allow the media or the Obama team do it first.

Update: Commenter Florah Duh reminds me that seniors actually liked Ryan’s plan best, according to a Gallup poll in 2011:

A new Gallup/USA Today poll contains a counterintuitive finding: the age group most receptive to House Budget Chair Paul Ryan‘s plan to deal with the budget – seniors.

The poll finds 48 percent of seniors (those 65 and over) support Ryan’s plan over President Obama‘s plan, while 42 percent back the president.

That’s the highest total among the age groups tested – a 47 percent plurality between the ages of 50 and 64 backed Ryan, and a 45 percent plurality of those between 30-49 backed Ryan. But young voters overwhelmingly sided with Obama by a 23-point margin, 53 to 30 percent.

Maybe that’s because seniors knew better than to believe that the current trajectory would protect their benefits in anything but the short run.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012polls; 2012veep; americans4prosperity; kochbrothers; paulryan; ryan; seniors
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Questions:

1) At what age must one be to be considered a Senior?

2) What percentage of the voting public are seniors?

3) How likely are Seniors to vote compared to other age groups?

1 posted on 08/12/2012 7:37:42 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Okay, so why are we playing around with voter ID laws that will make it difficult for some seniors to vote? I know my elder relative is a lifelong conservative and she does not have the proper form of ID to vote now. Luckily she has someone, me to take her to get the proper ones, but what about those who don’t have anyone, and WANT to vote against Obama?


2 posted on 08/12/2012 7:53:45 AM PDT by hitchwolf
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To: SeekAndFind
depicting him pushing an elderly woman off of a cliff...


3 posted on 08/12/2012 7:58:30 AM PDT by C210N ("ask not what the candidate can do for you, ask what you can do for the candidate" (Breitbart, 2012))
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To: SeekAndFind

The Truth will set you free...just tell them the truth about Obama’s “little blue pills” for seniors and how OBAMA IS the WORST President for every citizen, especially seniors in this country. Hammer Obama on “his” economic disaster, lay out the plan to help this nation get FISCALLY back on track, and hit those swing states HARD! I feel more confident about Romney with his picking Ryan...many people may feel pleasantly surprised 2 years from now (it’s going to take time to stop the boat before we can even change course...)


4 posted on 08/12/2012 8:00:04 AM PDT by princess leah
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To: SeekAndFind
But young voters overwhelmingly sided with Obama by a 23-point margin, 53 to 30 percent.

Ah, Youth! Still proving true the age-old stereotype that you're ignorant.
5 posted on 08/12/2012 8:01:58 AM PDT by Bishop_Malachi (Liberal Socialism - A philosophy which advocates spreading a low standard of living equally.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Ryan “Pushes Woman Off The Cliff” commercial:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnnaeOHXFyI

Scummiest ad until recent “Romney Kills ‘Joe-Septic-The-Liar’ Wife” ad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DK6Fv_GNJFw


6 posted on 08/12/2012 8:05:17 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Harry Reid [PERVERT-NV] has Vickie-the-goat in lingerie & stiletto heels, tied-up in his office.)
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To: Bishop_Malachi

Now we have Ryan...young AND smart! Good looking too.


7 posted on 08/12/2012 8:11:36 AM PDT by Aria ( 2008 wasn't an election - it was a coup d'etat.)
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To: Aria

Romney campaign - let Ryan be Ryan. Get him out in front of the camera. His words are believeable because he believes them himself. People will get that. And it will make the Dems’ strident and hateful attacks all the more ridiculous and off-putting.


8 posted on 08/12/2012 8:16:46 AM PDT by Mygirlsmom ("Obama has created a government thatÂ’s not too big to fail, but too big to succeed." Sarah Palin)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks SeekAndFind.

Some Seniors Worry Over Ryan Selection
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2917563/posts


9 posted on 08/12/2012 8:26:44 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: C210N

Caption should read:

Don’t worry. Once we push you off, you can read the fine print.


10 posted on 08/12/2012 8:30:11 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Nope 2012)
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On another thread yesterday, based on this same survey, I stated that I doubted enough people know of Ryan, to produce the pro and con percentages reported in the lead article on this thread.

In the article it says 25% did not like Ryan and 39% did.  That's 64%.  Not so fast...

Later yesterday, I ran into this.

In a poll taken earlier this week by CNN, 54 percent of respondents said they didn’t know enough to form an opinion, good or bad, about the congressman, first elected to the House in 1998 at the age of 28.
LINK

CNN thus reports that only 46% of the populace knows enough about Ryan to form an opinion.  How did the folks who produced the lead article on this thread come up with a group of 64% that knew enough about him to form an opinion?  Are the writers of this article making the case CNN's figures were off by 18%?
11 posted on 08/12/2012 8:37:45 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Nope 2012)
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To: SeekAndFind; sickoflibs; Liz
Despite the attacks on Ryan over his budget plan, he’s easily the most liked of the short-listers among likely voters 65 years of age and over...

Seniors vote - in nice large numbers...

12 posted on 08/12/2012 8:40:19 AM PDT by GOPJ (Freeper Neveronmywatch's convinced: Put a compass in the hands of a liberal it'll point south.)
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To: hitchwolf
Okay, so why are we playing around with voter ID laws that will make it difficult for some seniors to vote? I know my elder relative is a lifelong conservative and she does not have the proper form of ID to vote now. Luckily she has someone, me, to take her to get the proper ones, but what about those who don’t have anyone, and WANT to vote against Obama?

Okay, so why are we playing around with voter ID laws that will make it difficult for some seniors to vote? I know my elder relative is a lifelong conservativeLIBERAL and she does not have the proper form of ID to vote now. Luckily she has someone, me Jesse Jackson, to take her to get the proper ones, but what about those who don’t have anyone, and WANT to vote FOR Obama?

Just changing a few words changes the whole argument. Liberals WANT loose voter ID laws, precisely because it aids in voter fraud.

You said "so why are we playing around with voter ID laws that will make it difficult for some seniors to vote?"

Voting is a right and a RESPONSIBILITY. Some things in life are just a little bit difficult. For those who truely care about this country, getting proper voter ID shouldn't be considered THAT difficult.

On the other hand, those who EXPECT OTHERS to take care of their every WANT and NEED, view any and every slight inconvenience as "difficult". It's those that liberals prey on. Either to vote for them, or to FAIL at their rights and responsibilities, thus making it easier to commit voter fraud.

So....Who do you want voting? Somebody who's WILLING to go through the "difficulty" of getting proper ID, or someone who THINKS its "too difficult" to get proper ID, and that voting should be easier than getting a welfare check?

13 posted on 08/12/2012 8:41:23 AM PDT by mountn man (Happiness is not a destination, its a way of life.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Seniors” are not of one mind, nor are they short-sighted enough to place their own personal self-interest above what is best for the nation (even if you accept that Romney-Ryan are “bad for seniors”). This age group includes many of the greatest generation and their children (boomers) and everyone in between WWII and VietNam who grew up with traditional values and have seen what has happened since they have been largely abandoned.

Democrats cannot help but put each voter in a category and then conclude they will vote in a predictable way. I believe we will see that “senior” (however you define them) are going to put Country First and not just react like trained rats who feel their food pellets are being taken away.


14 posted on 08/12/2012 8:45:08 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: SeekAndFind

All we need to do is remind seniors that Obamacare cuts $500 billion from Medicare.


15 posted on 08/12/2012 8:47:30 AM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (The Second Amendment makes all the other amendments possible.)
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To: hitchwolf
I've never met the senior who couldn't figure out how to get a voter ID.

Reminds me of the story about the Texas woman (liberal) who flew to Washington DC to testify that it was too difficult for her to find a place to get an ID in her Texas home town. The only people stupid enough to believe that a woman who was smart enough fly to Washington to testify was too stupid to find a DMV office was the press. They actually bought it until they noticed thousands of people rolling on the floor laughing at them...

I'm a senior - I know seniors - and the story about seniors not being able to get a voter ID is a lie. Dems go out to nursing homes and sign up people who can't talk or remember their names -they do it because when democrats commit voter fraud they VOTE THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T SHOW UP. The 'dead' are voted as an accidental byproduct of the way dems cheat.

In the old days dem 'poll workers' would take a stack of punch cards ( of the people who didn't show up) and put an ice pick over the chad area they wanted punched and hit it with a hammer. A few hundred chads would drop out - and those folks - people who stayed home for whatever reason - would be counted as votes for democrats.

I'm sure the New York Times will be able (with the 'help' of the DNC) to find some seniors to interview who can't figure out a way to get an photo ID, and 'salt of the earth' types etc... but it'll essentially be a lie...

16 posted on 08/12/2012 8:56:47 AM PDT by GOPJ (Freeper Neveronmywatch's convinced: Put a compass in the hands of a liberal it'll point south.)
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To: C210N

17 posted on 08/12/2012 9:18:29 AM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: hitchwolf
Here's where you and I come in. I want to contact Tea Party organizations, 912 Patriots groups, Freedomworks and Americans for Prosperity, and get them involved in something VERY IMPORTANT, and I hope you will do the same. It will be up to us to make sure seniors are registered to vote, that they get the transportation to the polls, that they have a flyer in their hand with the talking points on who Paul Ryan is, what he stands for, his policies as it pertains to Medicare, and the removal of obomacare. Ryan is solid, likeable and articulate..and he has a sound fiscal budget and a plan of action...he's an excellent choice.

The conservative organizations I've listed above have to start working on issues..and not just rallies. We need to organize a grid within our neighborhoods and contact seniors to inform them and offer them assistance and a handbill with the facts about what Paul Ryan can do for seniors...there are seniors living in independent apartments, assisted living, single family homes, and they need to be contacted. There are seniors living in independent living apartments with secure entry provisions, making it impossible to go door to door to instruct and inform seniors. It will be up to the seniors living in the above mentioned facilities to make contact with their neighbors and pass the information on. I encourage everyone to contact your local Tea Party group, 912 Project group, Freedomworks and Americans for Prosperity groups and tell them we need their help to reach an important group of voters who need our help, and we certainly needs theirs as well...this country needs their help, many of these seniors are veterans...survivors of the “greatest generation”

What do you say folks...let's give these folks our help...is this doable?

18 posted on 08/12/2012 9:22:23 AM PDT by itssme
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To: mountn man
I totally agree with you...

If you have a relative/neighbor/friend who doesn't have the proper forms of ID with which to vote, HELP THEM BY TAKING THEM TO THE OBTAIN THESE FORMS AND GET THEM REGISTERED. This is no arm chair war we're fighting, we have to get up off our behinds, show some initiative and help out others who need it. Don't suck up that BS that ID’s are unnecessary and/or difficult to obtain. Get out there and get one, and help others who need help to do the same.

19 posted on 08/12/2012 9:32:08 AM PDT by itssme
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To: hitchwolf

Right, your senior has no ID on which to base her Medicare card. She can make it in to get her benefits and see the doctgor, but can’t make it over to DMV to register and get a state ID. What ever happened to requesting an absentee ballot. Harry Reid said that the best lifeline for those abandoned seniors is their junk mail.

This is TOTAL BS and it needs exposure.


20 posted on 08/12/2012 9:35:14 AM PDT by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Now is the time for him to get to Florida and clearly explain his plan. Do not let Obama’s people define him as they have already started.


21 posted on 08/12/2012 9:36:20 AM PDT by Jake8898
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To: Bishop_Malachi

But young voters overwhelmingly sided with Obama by a 23-point margin, 53 to 30 percent.


But, if mommy and daddy throw their sorry asses out of the house the number drops to near Zero. I wonder how many of those will actually stop smoking doobie long enough to vote.


22 posted on 08/12/2012 9:38:37 AM PDT by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: hitchwolf

So take her to the DMV and have her get a non~drivers liscense.


23 posted on 08/12/2012 9:38:55 AM PDT by chae (I was anti-Obama before it was cool)
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24 posted on 08/12/2012 10:24:27 AM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93destr)
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To: hitchwolf

are you serious?

She is elderly but can;t get the proper ID, what on earth has she been doing for her life, ow does she get around, how does she get her benefits?

Sorry if you are serious and not a troll but that post of yours is what the elft state but I’ll also answer your question.

Why are we playing with voter ID laws.

Well it;s to stop illegals, dead people and those wanting to vote more than once.
Only the Dems want no ID but they demand ID for Amtrak, to fly, to get beer, cigs, etc

If someone has no one and lets say they have gone through life never having to show a photo ID which is impossible today then take her to the DMV and get the ID, simple isn’;t it.


25 posted on 08/12/2012 10:39:14 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: hitchwolf

your past posts are very interesting.


26 posted on 08/12/2012 10:43:52 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: GOPJ

AGREED

You need one for just about everything today , hell my MIL had to show hers 3 times before she even got on the train Amtrak.
What elderly person today does ot have the ID and canot get to the DMV
Asking why we need ID to vote shows why th eleft are just either plain dumb or ignoant


27 posted on 08/12/2012 10:48:05 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: hitchwolf
I know my elder relative is a lifelong conservative and she does not have the proper form of ID to vote now.

WOW.. just WOW!! A... er.... ah... Do you want to rethink that BS.. I'll wait..

We seniors have to pull out ID's almost every time we leave the house.. Medicine, wrote or cashed a Check, Travel, any Gov office for Social Security, Medicare.. or ever bought a drink, a bottle of beer, liquor, a pack of cigarette, cigar, pipe, prescribed pills, used a credit card with cash back..etc (rolling eyes)

He or she, has never had a hospital visit, driven an auto, or visited a relative in another state, by any other method than your overwhelming/sacrificial/humanitarian, volunteerism??

I think I'd love to know a bit more about your relatives' advanced age, 110+, and your unique generosity to our cause, and pearl clutching, advice..

Maybe we should watch out for all of these people that are still living in cages, and caves, OR, maybe we should just watch out for lurkers.. Hummmmm?.. jus sayin

28 posted on 08/12/2012 11:03:41 AM PDT by carlo3b (Less Government, more Fiber..)
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To: Jake8898

“Commenter Florah Duh reminds”

Florah Duh??? Real name? Sounds like Florida.


29 posted on 08/12/2012 11:14:51 AM PDT by No Socialist
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To: SeekAndFind
Questions:
1) At what age must one be to be considered a Senior?
2) What percentage of the voting public are seniors?
3) How likely are Seniors to vote compared to other age groups?
Answers:
  1. 62 (that's when you get the Senior Discount at most Golf Courses and some Barbers)
  2. Pretty Dang Big (Since most live to 80. My MIL is 85 and like a spring chicken)
  3. A Lot More than the 'yute' vote. Seniors are 2nd behind, Middle Age Voters.
    ('08 was an anomaly. most yutes stay home on election day -- especially the Dem yutes)

    NOTE: The above is the best way I know of answering without 6 hours of searching Bing for Pie Charts and Graphs. (not trying to be sarcastic or disrespectful)


Now as to the article.....

No surprise with the numbers. 'Seniors' aren't like Moonbats who fall for mindless sound-bites. 'We' can all read and still comprehend what we're reading, unlike most Moonbats. And most of us seniors can still wash and dress ourselves in the morning -- also unlike the Moonbats

The fact is that the days of: 'The AARP Senior' are over. AARP screwed the pooch big-time by their lies and playing mouth piece for the RATS Commies (there aren't any rats left in the democRATic Party). I think AARP stays in business by selling insurance. Membership has dropped like a rock.

Gotta run now. This 'Senior' has to get out his Fender Statocaster now and Jam to some Rock and Rock. Think I'll warm up to Roll With The Changes by REO Speedwagon

30 posted on 08/12/2012 11:42:55 AM PDT by Condor51 (Si vis pacem, para bellum.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I guess I am almost a senior since I am 60. But I have no plans to ever retire although my wife who is 62 is already retired. Not only do we support Ryan, we wish he would take Obama out behind the woodshed and whip his ass.


31 posted on 08/12/2012 11:50:06 AM PDT by jwalsh07 (.)
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To: hitchwolf; Admin Moderator
*** Okay, so why are we playing around with voter ID laws that will make it difficult for some seniors to vote? ***

Go Away Troll

32 posted on 08/12/2012 11:51:19 AM PDT by Condor51 (Si vis pacem, para bellum.)
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To: manc
your past posts are very interesting.

Yep.
33 posted on 08/12/2012 11:55:50 AM PDT by PA Engineer ("We're not programs, Gerty, We're People")
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To: Steamburg

If they can get a handicapped sticker for their car, they can get a voter id.


34 posted on 08/12/2012 11:55:59 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: hitchwolf
So does your relative live in New Jersey like you do?

I believe that NJ requires an ID only if voters didn't present one when registering. Has your relative never voted before?

35 posted on 08/12/2012 11:56:57 AM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: SeekAndFind

Maybe the seniors are starting to realize you can’t collect medicare benefits, RX benefits, etc. IF THE PLAN IS TO LET YOU DIE because you are a drain on the system.


36 posted on 08/12/2012 12:01:43 PM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: tsowellfan
Thread worthy. Dems are going to push stories about Social Security BECAUSE they think it works for them.... Why those stories are pimped here is beyond me... Anyhow, your reply tsowellfan was wonderful - should be a stand alone thread.
37 posted on 08/12/2012 12:04:36 PM PDT by GOPJ (Freeper Neveronmywatch's convinced: Put a compass in the hands of a liberal it'll point south.)
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To: Steamburg
"But, if mommy and daddy throw their sorry asses out of the house the number drops to near Zero. I wonder how many of those will actually stop smoking doobie long enough to vote"

My guess is that M & D are able to smoke doobie and still vote.


38 posted on 08/12/2012 12:27:01 PM PDT by I see my hands (It's time to.. KICK OUT THE JAMS, MOTHER FREEPERS!)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

And be able to cite the exact page of obamacare where the proof appears.


39 posted on 08/12/2012 12:40:44 PM PDT by jersey117
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To: SeekAndFind

But but but Mister Obama YOU SAID we can scare seniors because they’re all old and stupid; this doesn’t look like they are old and stupid to me Mister Obama does it look like that to you?


40 posted on 08/12/2012 1:57:42 PM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m guessing that Ryan’s approval will be around 15-20% by the time the convention happens, and big media/John Stuart/late night comedians are done with him.

Pretty sad I know, but that’s how it is anymore.....


41 posted on 08/12/2012 4:28:33 PM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: KoRn

Current seniors under 55 aren’t going to be impacted by the Wyden-Ryan or even earlier Ryan plan. They are only going to be hurt when it goes insolvent in a few years because the president took 700 million from the program to pay for Obamacare.


42 posted on 08/12/2012 6:10:58 PM PDT by erlayman
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To: erlayman

Sorry. Of course that should be OVER 55. :)


43 posted on 08/12/2012 6:12:52 PM PDT by erlayman
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To: SeekAndFind; MotleyGirl70; Cagey; Mr. Brightside; earlJam; Rb ver. 2.0; lesser_satan; Taffini; ...
Rasmussen: Ryan favorability 39/25, 52/29 among … seniors

My polling data shows something entirely different:


44 posted on 08/12/2012 7:55:47 PM PDT by Gamecock (We don't come to Christ to be born again; rather, we are born again in order to come to Christ. RCS)
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To: manc

I agree with you too. I have no idea how dems come up with the stuff they come up with - it’s like out of thin air..


45 posted on 08/12/2012 8:59:55 PM PDT by GOPJ (Freeper Neveronmywatch's convinced: Put a compass in the hands of a liberal it'll point south.)
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To: manc

I agree with you too. I have no idea how dems come up with the stuff they come up with - it’s like out of thin air..


46 posted on 08/12/2012 9:00:13 PM PDT by GOPJ (Freeper Neveronmywatch's convinced: Put a compass in the hands of a liberal it'll point south.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Despite the attacks on Ryan over his budget plan, he’s easily the most liked of the short-listers among likely voters 65 years of age and over, with a 52/29 favorability rating.

Wow, AARP has some work to do. You know who they're going to be lying about in the next few issues. They'll need to keep reminding readers that Ryan likes to kill old people, especially ones in wheelchairs.

47 posted on 08/13/2012 2:14:26 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Aria
Now we have Ryan...young AND smart! Good looking too.

Met him on Saturday in Norfolk as he worked the crowd. He also has a high degree of "cool," too. He and his family seem like any regular folk you might see at church or in the neighborhood.

48 posted on 08/13/2012 6:06:26 AM PDT by ScottinVA (If Obama is reelected, America will deserve every mockery that follows.)
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To: hitchwolf

“..so why are we playing around with voter ID laws...”

Clearly you didn’t grow up in Philadelphia...where the dead vote in overwhelming numbers for Dems...multipe times, even.


49 posted on 08/13/2012 7:09:28 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Can’t answer the first 2, but Seniors ALWAYS turn out in numbers far higher than their percentage of the overall voting population.


50 posted on 08/13/2012 7:12:02 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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