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Some Seniors Worry Over Ryan Selection
Wall Street Journal ^ | August 12, 2012 | By ARIAN CAMPO-FLORES

Posted on 08/12/2012 7:45:05 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

The news that Mitt Romney picked Rep. Paul Ryan, who has suggested changing Medicare, as his running mate sparked worries over the weekend among some residents at the Stella Maris retirement community in Miami Beach—concerns that could reverberate among seniors nationwide.

Nancy Scarchilli, a 92-year-old registered Democrat who is undecided this year, said Medicare "just paid a beautiful penny for my hospitalization" for heart failure, adding that she likes the program "the way it is."

Gisela Adán, another resident of the Stella Maris retirement community, said Saturday she relies on Social Security and Medicare but was unfamiliar with the details of Mr. Ryan's proposals. Regardless, she said, "I vote only Republican," so whatever the party proposes "is fine with me."

"I think Romney should have picked someone more middle-of-the-road," said Manny Meland, an 82-year-old independent who lives in Miami Beach. "I don't want [politicians] to rule with ideology. That puts me off."

Mac Williams, a 62-year-old independent who receives Social Security and lives in New Port Richey, north of Tampa, was similarly turned off by Mr. Romney's choice. "Ryan is entirely too extreme," he said. "I think Romney blew his chance of winning over independents."

On Saturday morning, as the news of Mr. Romney's choice circulated, Mr. Williams stopped at an Obama campaign office in the area and volunteered to help with its phone-bank operation. He said he had already been wary of Mr. Romney. But, he added, that morning's announcement was "like the last nail in the coffin."

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: 2012issues; 2012veep; election2012; seniors; worrieddems
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1 posted on 08/12/2012 7:45:06 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Like these people were going to vote GOP anyway.\s


2 posted on 08/12/2012 7:48:05 AM PDT by DarthVader (Politicians govern out of self interest, Statesmen govern for a Vision greater than themselves)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
All Dems at your posts. Let the Demagogue Games begin.
3 posted on 08/12/2012 7:49:36 AM PDT by InterceptPoint (.)
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To: DarthVader

Agreed. Some fill in the blank will worry about any fill in the blank decision by any fill in the blank person. Inane.

This is the the best move I have seen Romney make at any point in his never ending quest for POTUS.


4 posted on 08/12/2012 7:50:35 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans. Don't read their lips. Watch their hands.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“screw the youngsters, I like my benefits future be damned”


5 posted on 08/12/2012 7:50:44 AM PDT by Kozak (The means of defence against foreign danger, have been always the instruments of tyranny at home JM)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“I don’t want [politicians] to rule with ideology. That puts me off.”

And this idiot will turn around and vote for a Marxist.....the candidate with the most radical ideology in US political history. Fools.


6 posted on 08/12/2012 7:50:52 AM PDT by ilgipper ( November cannot come soon enough)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Some heavy drinkers...
Some Lesbians...
Some Heterosexuals...
Some Men...
Some Women...
Some other people...

And all members of the DNCp.


7 posted on 08/12/2012 7:51:59 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Nope 2012)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Here we go again. Even the WSJ has a writer on staff who apparently believes Ryan will eliminate Medicare his first day in office.
Attention Seniors:The Republicans are not going to eliminate your Social Security or Medicare.
They are going to reform the program for people in their twenties because we have to. The money to continue it as it is simply is never going to be there.


8 posted on 08/12/2012 7:52:28 AM PDT by Wiser now (Socialism does not eliminate poverty, it guarantees it.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Debbie Washerwoman-Schultz was on FOX News this morning with the “Rat talking points.

She was pounding away on how Ryan’s plan will kill Medicare and leave seniors with huge out-of-pocket increases, blah, blah, blah, balh, blah.

That woman gets more vile day by day.


9 posted on 08/12/2012 7:52:47 AM PDT by Iron Munro ("Jiggle the Handle for Barry!")
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Only if they listen to the media and not get the facts...

The Ryan plan to save Medicare specifically ensures NO changes to the current plan of those 55 years old or older.

http://youtu.be/DJIC7kEq6kw


10 posted on 08/12/2012 7:53:06 AM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Whenever I see a headline with “some say” or “many concerned” it’s a red flag that it’s an opinion piece by the author.

Are we supposed to believe they were just standing around and overheard others express these thoughts and are just “reporting”?


11 posted on 08/12/2012 7:54:05 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: Kozak

Those youngsters need to be set free so that they can devise their own retirements...

As for folks already retired, it’s a little late to change the game for them.


12 posted on 08/12/2012 7:54:50 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Nope 2012)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

some


13 posted on 08/12/2012 7:55:03 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Siri: Gold Baby, Gold!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Even the WSJ goes with the hard left propaganda.

A poll just posted shows a 59/29 approval among seniors for Ryan, but the WSJ seeks out the disgruntled to add to their article...they pick the one guy in all of Florida who was undecided and now went to volunteer for obama today, but ignore the massive crowds that showed up in VA in response to the pick...including many seniors.


14 posted on 08/12/2012 7:56:01 AM PDT by ilgipper ( November cannot come soon enough)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Wasn’t this old argument worn out a dozen elections ago?


15 posted on 08/12/2012 7:56:36 AM PDT by bgill
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To: Kozak
“screw the youngsters, I like my benefits future be damned”

That's exactly what they're saying even though the changes to save Medicare do not affect anybody 55 years old or older.

One of the reasons why the informed seniors want ObamaCare to be repealed is because it steals more than $700 billion from Medicare.

Their real enemy is Barack Obama

16 posted on 08/12/2012 7:56:36 AM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The “some” seniors, who worry about Ryan are the same seniors that were going to vote to continue the free lunch anyway. And, there are “some” seniors that worry that there will not be a future for their grand-children.


17 posted on 08/12/2012 7:57:32 AM PDT by depressed in 06 (6 November, 2012, the day our embarrassment is sent back to Kenya.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Stella; your 'Medicare is NOT going to change'; unless Obamacare prevails and it's author.

Repubs do need, quickly; 'education' ads; that run where the greatest number of Seniors can see them. A continuous loop; would be nice; albeit; we know; not financially, 'practical'. So much to undo; given the fear mongering of the Left.

18 posted on 08/12/2012 7:57:46 AM PDT by cricket (http://voteron2012.com/)
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To: P.O.E.
‘zackly.
No attribution means the story is fictitious.
19 posted on 08/12/2012 8:00:07 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (I didn't post this. Someone else did.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I guess whomever interviewed the woman who was 92 and “liked Medicare the way it was” didn’t explain changes made would NOT have any effect on those 55 years of age or older.

Surprise, surprise.


20 posted on 08/12/2012 8:00:35 AM PDT by beenaround
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Uh huh, right. You “seniors” better pull your collective heads out of your collective a$$es and start worrying about the future of healthcare with OcommieCare... some of those mythical “savings” come from withholding treatment from one particular age group... guess which one?


21 posted on 08/12/2012 8:01:03 AM PDT by Common Sense 101 (Hey libs... If your theories fly in the face of reality, it's not reality that's wrong.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
We must drive home the point that Medicare, as we know it, is going away anyway. The public must understand it is unsustainable. Meanwhile, I wouldn't put all my money on many seniors in Miami voting Republican anyway. Mostly, even though they may say they are Independents, they are really Democrats. Obama depends on the ignorance of the voting public. He knows that the lying ads will stick with some. He doesn't care if he lies. He knows that many will: 1. not care he's lying and vote for him anyway; 2. never hear the clarification and vote for him anyway or 3. hear the clarification and vote for him no matter what as they are died in the wool Democrats. He knows there are many in this country that want others to carry them financially. He knows there are many lazy, good-for-nothings who believe this country owes them a living. Unfortunately he is right about what the many believe as that is what the Democrat Party has been telling them. We are fighting for the hearts and minds of the majority. And it's a majority that has been dumbed down by our education system. Many agree with him on all points. Many want Socialism as they are either: 1. the masses who want someone else to carry them or 2. are bleeding hearts who think we are an evil country and the lazy should be carried. Either way we have a tough row to hoe.
22 posted on 08/12/2012 8:01:17 AM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Senior citizens ought to be worrying about health care rationing after a quarter of our health care professionals decide to do something else with their time because of Obamacare.

My wife's eye doctor told her she should get her cataracts fixed now because in the future she expects they will only be allowed to fix one eye. She says she might retire once Obamacare kicks in. Our friend in Great Britain's husband died because he had to wait 3 years for a simple heart procedure that would have been scheduled in a week over here.

23 posted on 08/12/2012 8:01:58 AM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: bgill
Wasn’t this old argument worn out a dozen elections ago?

The dems are specifically targeting the Ryan Plan (now that he's been chosen as VP)

I'm surprised you weren't aware of this. We were all given heads up about the issues each possible VP would face by the dems if they were chosen.

Ryan - Medicare

Rubio - The credit cards scandal

and down the list... etc...

24 posted on 08/12/2012 8:02:58 AM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“I think Romney should have picked someone more middle-of-the-road,” said Manny Meland, an 82-year-old independent who lives in Miami Beach. “I don’t want [politicians] to rule with ideology. That puts me off.”

I realize Manny is 82, but exactly how many naps does one have to of taken over the last 3 1/2 years to have missed the jug-eared moron’s “ideology”. Geesh, what a dumba$$.


25 posted on 08/12/2012 8:03:51 AM PDT by Common Sense 101 (Hey libs... If your theories fly in the face of reality, it's not reality that's wrong.)
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To: Wiser now

If Medicare is going to be broke in just 12 years, it’s not just saving it for people in their 20’s it’s for people in their 50’s. I would like to just mail all these people the quote from Obama during the debate about raising the debt ceiling saying he doesn’t know if they can send out the next SS checks if we can’t borrow more money. Where’s the security?


26 posted on 08/12/2012 8:04:46 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Oldeconomybuyer; All
Arian Campo-Flores is apparently a journalist with a pro-Obamugabe agenda!

Lookee here:

"A new Gallup/USA Today poll contains a counterintuitive finding: the age group most receptive to House Budget Chair Paul Ryan‘s plan to deal with the budget – seniors."

source:

http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com/archives/2011/04/gallup-seniors.php

27 posted on 08/12/2012 8:05:33 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Closing in on seniorhood myself and living in a retirement community, I can unequivocally say that the assertion of this article is pure bullcrap. The many seniors I know and associate with are as read in and aware of what’s at stake as any talkiing head or policy wonk group. Ryan doesn’t scare older Americans but Obama sure as HELL does.


28 posted on 08/12/2012 8:06:06 AM PDT by TADSLOS (Conservatism didn't magically show up in Romney's heart in 2012. You can't force what isn't in you.)
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To: ilgipper

I caught this too...what an idiot.


29 posted on 08/12/2012 8:06:06 AM PDT by Conservative4Ever (The Obamas = rude, crude and socially unacceptable)
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To: cricket
Stella; your 'Medicare is NOT going to change'; unless Obamacare prevails and it's author.

Repubs do need, quickly; 'education' ads; that run where the greatest number of Seniors can see them. A continuous loop; would be nice; albeit; we know; not financially, 'practical'. So much to undo; given the fear mongering of the Left.

Exactly!

Those who work Twitter may want to start here. The dems are now targeting Twitter to get out their false allegations...

https://twitter.com/#!/search/%23medicare

30 posted on 08/12/2012 8:07:51 AM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Didn’t the “Affordable Health Care Act” the democrats just rammed through just completely loot Medicare?


31 posted on 08/12/2012 8:10:30 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Common Sense 101
“I think Romney should have picked someone more middle-of-the-road,” said Manny Meland, an 82-year-old independent who lives in Miami Beach

For some reason I keep seeing the face of the man who accused Romney of killing his wife.

32 posted on 08/12/2012 8:10:35 AM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Some seniors worry over Obama being re-elected.


33 posted on 08/12/2012 8:11:38 AM PDT by AU72
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To: skeeter
Didn’t the “Affordable Health Care Act” the democrats just rammed through just completely loot Medicare?

$716 billion was last last number I heard which was stolen from Medicare to pay for ObamaCare.

34 posted on 08/12/2012 8:12:14 AM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: tsowellfan
Only if they listen to the media and not get the facts...

That is exactly what they do. They watch tv which is entirely liberal, but never actually watch Ryans video, which is really quite easy to do, and is full of facts. Such as nothing changes for 55 years and older.

I'm 52. I expect to get no SS at all unless the program is made solvent. I wonder if the 92 year old who received "the beautiful penny" understands that the payout probably exceeded the entire amount she paid into SS. For many, they may be receiving survivors benefits from their deceased husband, may have been a homemaker, and may have never paid a dime into SS themselves.

35 posted on 08/12/2012 8:12:50 AM PDT by ecomcon
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To: Common Sense 101

There will be two types of “senior” medical care as Obamacare matures.

Offshore clinics for the wealthy.
The best doctors will set up boutique clinics in the Caribbean, short flight from Florida.

And the rest get death panels.
Death panels are the unspoken key to fixing the huge Medicare and Social Security funding shortfalls.

So far Ms. Palin is the only one on our side who has effectively pointed this out.


36 posted on 08/12/2012 8:13:00 AM PDT by nascarnation
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
A p.s. to Stella. . .With Obamacare; and at age 92 it is very unlikely; that you would have been a 'candidate' for anything in the way of 'health care benefits' for your ailing heart. Not even a 'trip' to the hospital. No; another pillow brought to you by a family member or friend.

(If 'Obamacare' brought that pillow; you would have to have someone present to insure that it is placed 'underneath' your head. . .)

All to say, Stella; if you like Medicare the 'way it is'; then support the Party that is trying to lesson the change; for current 'seniors'.

If Obama stays 'in'; you will be counted 'out'.

37 posted on 08/12/2012 8:13:13 AM PDT by cricket (http://voteron2012.com/)
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To: Psalm 144

It is you should have seen size of the crowds that they had in VA yesterday. In Manassas they had a venue that could accomodate 12,000 and there was many many more than planned for. The overflow was greater than the crowd in the pavilion.


38 posted on 08/12/2012 8:13:13 AM PDT by DarthVader (Politicians govern out of self interest, Statesmen govern for a Vision greater than themselves)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Every single campaign stop and speech must begin with the sentence that “the reform does not apply to those over 55” until it sinks in with the general electorate. No discussion of medicare reform should be conducted by Republicans without that preface. It must be repeated over and over for the next 2 months to neutralize the distortions that will come from the other side.


39 posted on 08/12/2012 8:13:31 AM PDT by chuckee
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Unfortunately many of our senior citizens are stuck in old ways, still getting their information from the dinosaur media. They sit down for the 7 o'clock network newscasts from Tom Brokaw, Dan Rather and Peter Jennings and don't realize that the rest of America tuned them out 20 years ago and that if not for the loyalty of the senior citizen audience, the networks would be showing Jeopardy re-runs in those time slots instead.

So they tend to be very impressionable. Constantly falling for phone-scams ("I'm a friend of your grandson who is in jail and need your credit card number to bail him out - please don't tell his parents..."). So when the Democrats run ads about those evil Republicans that are going to push them off a cliff in their wheelchairs, they panic like cattle in a thunderstorm.

I agree the best way to get in front of this is to pre-empt the attack ads by getting our message out first.

40 posted on 08/12/2012 8:14:11 AM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
The Republican reform plan totally exempts anyone over the age of 55 from any changes. When President Obama promised Americans "if you like your plan, you can keep it" to push Obamacare, he didn't tell the truth. The Ryan plan explicitly, in black and white, protects current and soon-to-be seniors. No changes.

The Democrats are already cutting over $700 billion from Medicare to pay for Obamacare. The Obamacare plan puts a board in place that determines which seniors get care and how much. A total monetary decision. Some Democrats have said privately, "The more seniors that die due to lack of medical care will help solve the Social Security fund problem."

41 posted on 08/12/2012 8:15:51 AM PDT by Harley (Life is Tough, But it's going to get a lot Tougher if you vote for Obama in Nov.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
"Some seniors" say, "Apres moi, le deluge."

I wonder if these people were this self-centered their entire lives. It might explain why they're dependent on government in their old age: because they raised children who don't give a freep about them, perhaps with justification.

42 posted on 08/12/2012 8:19:26 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("You're screwed, losers. Steyn 2012!")
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
From the same writer, writing for Newsweak..

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2010/04/25/are-tea-partiers-racist.html

43 posted on 08/12/2012 8:20:16 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: DarthVader
Exactly.

"I think Romney should have picked someone more middle-of-the-road," said Manny Meland, an 82-year-old independent who lives in Miami Beach. "I don't want [politicians] to rule with ideology. That puts me off."

She says, gently polishing her Øbongo 2012 campaign button.

44 posted on 08/12/2012 8:21:51 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Oldeconomybuyer. Just another Partisan Media Shill ping.

Author Arian Campo-Flores:
http://newsbusters.org/people/arian-campo-flores

Are Tea Partiers Racist?
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2010/04/25/are-tea-partiers-racist.html

The Resurrection of Charlie Crist
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2010/07/19/the-resurrection-of-crist.html

Why Americans Think (Wrongly) That Illegal Immigrants Hurt the Economy
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2010/05/14/why-americans-think-wrongly-that-illegal-immigrants-hurt-the-economy.html

Did Hispanics Save Harry Reid?
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/blogs/the-gaggle/2010/11/03/did-hispanics-save-harry-reid.html

Rasmussen: Ryan favorability 39/25, 52/29 among ... seniors
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2917559/posts


45 posted on 08/12/2012 8:25:53 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

What about us who don’t want Medicare under any circumstances? What about our freedom?


46 posted on 08/12/2012 8:26:14 AM PDT by bray (Take out the commies in November!)
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To: SamAdams76

And that message should be, “If we don’t stop Øbamacare and Øbomanomics dead in their tracks there will be no check for you”

They are adding so much strain to an already overloaded system callously in order to curry favor in the short-term and with complete disregard for the long-term.

How about this for a campaign slogan: “The system won’t last much longer - will you?”


47 posted on 08/12/2012 8:27:22 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Some Seniors Worry Over Ryan Selection

Seniors should be more concerned
by 0bama and the Demoncrats.

Obamacare has just stolen a TRILLION DOLLARS
from Medicare to give to Illegal Aliens,


48 posted on 08/12/2012 8:27:47 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

As a “senior” I take great offense at many seniors who are nobama-idiots. I believe when they were younger they were asshat/moonbat idiots. Age does not necessarily impart wisdom.


49 posted on 08/12/2012 8:31:46 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Wiser now
“They are going to reform the program for people in their twenties because we have to.”

When will that be? I have been hearing that from the GOP candidates since the early 80s, lol. What happened between the years 2001-2006 when Repubs had more control of government? Expansion of entitlements, lol.

Face it, the population/electorate love the government taking care of them. Even in the private sector people want their loses subsidized. A fundamental change needs to take place first among the electorate before any political stooge will act.

50 posted on 08/12/2012 8:35:18 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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