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Two Tickets: Two Americas
National Review Online ^ | August 11, 2012 | Stanley Kurtz

Posted on 08/12/2012 11:08:56 AM PDT by Yardstick

Remember just after the 2000 election when the famous red-and-blue map first appeared? It shocked us at the time, and for more reasons than one. Geographically, red counties overwhelmed the blue. Although they amounted to half the country’s population, Democrats were clearly concentrated in just a few populous urban centers and university towns, especially on the coasts. It wasn’t just the geographic predominance of red that surprised, though. It was the contrast between the map and the election that preceded it. The Bush/Gore contest hadn’t been filled with passionate arguments or open ideological divisions. The map emerged as a kind of revelation, a glimpse into the rough, polarizing currents silently flowing beneath a more placid electoral landscape.

The 2012 election reverses all that. The combination of a slashing, class-warfare-based campaign by President Obama and now Mitt Romney’s selection of the boldly conservative Paul Ryan means that we face an epic presidential contest that will openly turn on fundamental philosophical differences between red and blue America. How did we get here, and what does it mean for our future? Above all, now that our internal battle is well-and-truly out in the electoral open, will 2012 decide whether red America or blue America wins for good?

First we need to understand that our political divisions are real and growing. They are rooted not in top-down political rhetoric but in profound and lasting social and cultural differences. For a while, analysts tended to make light of our polarization, fruitlessly predicting year after year that our culture war (still raging) was just about to end. If anything, the culture wars have expanded now to include the whole of politics. It used to be that only arguments over gay marriage or abortion were stigmatized as moral abominations. Now even differences over health care reform and the deficit are super-charged with moral accusation.

Whichever way this election goes, these divisions will only deepen. Fundamentally, this is because what President Obama and the increasingly left-leaning coalition he leads actually want is impossibly far from what red America is willing to accept. Until very recently, this gulf has been hidden by Obama’s refusal to level with the American people about his goals. What the public still doesn’t understand, despite the president’s somewhat more open left-turn of late, is just how far left his second-term agenda aims to go. I’ve laid out some of it here, and Americans are simply not prepared for what is about to hit us should Obama win. So while an Obama victory would indeed allow the president to entrench some of his most controversial policies, his restless tendency to push things ever further to the left will almost certainly generate dynamic new movements of opposition.

A Romney victory won’t quiet our national conflicts either. Although a Romney victory would be taken by conservatives as proof that we are still a center-right nation, the fact is that the mainstream media and our key cultural institutions are now in the hands of an increasingly ambitious Left. The media barely hides its bias now, and they will come at a President Romney with everything they’ve got. The Obama presidency has given the Left a taste of the transformations it might achieve, and defeat will be dismissed as a merely temporary setback. Now that both sides are out in the open and fully aware of the danger to their preferred ways of life posed by the other camp, we are entering an era of struggle and division that, if anything, exceeds what we’ve lived through for the past twelve years. This isn’t the beginning of the end of our divisions. It’s only the end of the beginning.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cwiiping; dsj
Good one from Stanley Kurtz at NRO.
1 posted on 08/12/2012 11:08:59 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick

“the mainstream media and our key cultural institutions are now in the hands of an increasingly ambitious Left. The media barely hides its bias now,”

And what’s new about that? It’s been true for as long as I can remember, and I’m not a youngster.


2 posted on 08/12/2012 11:12:52 AM PDT by WilliamIII
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To: Yardstick

Romney is a leftist. Doesn’t even qualify as a RINO. Would fit right in as a Democrat with his leftist/progressive positions on:

Abortion
Homosexuals
Gun control
Global warming
Compulsory/mandated health insurance
Keynesian economics
Liberal judges

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OQoBxZZPqU&feature=player_embedded


3 posted on 08/12/2012 11:14:43 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Yardstick
Fundamentally, this is because what President Obama and the increasingly left-leaning coalition he leads actually want is impossibly far from what red America is willing to accept.

It's unacceptable to us, or most of us anyway, because we must pay for what Obama and the left want.

4 posted on 08/12/2012 11:26:21 AM PDT by Dysart (You didn't post that. Someone else made that happen.)
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To: Yardstick
1976:

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notice that the dems, whose ideology is socialist, were associated with the color 'red' until as recently as the 2000 election

obviously, they wanted to create some distance between the socialist red color and their public image

5 posted on 08/12/2012 11:47:21 AM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Eaker; Absolutely Nobama; afnamvet; AK2KX; Ancesthntr; An Old Man; APatientMan; ApesForEvolution; ..
"Now that both sides are out in the open and fully aware of the danger to their preferred ways of life posed by the other camp, we are entering an era of struggle and division that, if anything, exceeds what we’ve lived through for the past twelve years. This isn’t the beginning of the end of our divisions. It’s only the end of the beginning."

CWII Ping because this article, while not explicitly citing the term, is all about conditions of utter division between the two sides.


6 posted on 08/12/2012 11:52:40 AM PDT by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: Eaker; Absolutely Nobama; afnamvet; AK2KX; Ancesthntr; An Old Man; APatientMan; ApesForEvolution; ..
"Now that both sides are out in the open and fully aware of the danger to their preferred ways of life posed by the other camp, we are entering an era of struggle and division that, if anything, exceeds what we’ve lived through for the past twelve years. This isn’t the beginning of the end of our divisions. It’s only the end of the beginning."

CWII Ping because this article, while not explicitly citing the term, is all about conditions of utter division between the two sides.


7 posted on 08/12/2012 11:53:29 AM PDT by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: sten
Look at that 1988 shellacking of Mike Dukakis. George Bush (Sr.) inherited the legacy of Ronald Reagan and he blew it, yielding the White House to Clinton four years later. Country has never been the same since.

Imagine if Reagan had picked a conservative VP to inherit his legacy and not settled for the milquetoast Bush in order to pacify the party moderates.

8 posted on 08/12/2012 11:54:44 AM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: sten
I'm not sure I agree with that. I think in the past different news organizations used different colors, and some alternated between election cycles.

What happened was USA today in the year 2000, probably using technology that wasn't available earlier, made the famous map of RED COUNTIES vs. BLUE COUNTIES (not states) and printed it as the centerfold of their paper. It was just made for pulling out and sticking on the wall with a few push pins, and I'm sure it went up in newsrooms and editoral desks all over the country.

Since then the Red / Blue thing has been locked in.

I love blue, but I hate the idea of abandoning red, the color, to the commies. Consider the reconquest of Red as the first of many battles that the right is going to win in the coming decades!

Here it is from their web site.

9 posted on 08/12/2012 12:08:38 PM PDT by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: Yardstick
A Romney victory won’t quiet our national conflicts either. Although a Romney victory would be taken by conservatives as proof that we are still a center-right nation, the fact is that the mainstream media and our key cultural institutions are now in the hands of an increasingly ambitious Left

Not so sure about this.

If Romney wins with a GOP Congress and passes enough stimulative legislation in the first 100 days (and by "stimulative" I mean REAL stimulation like a reversal of Obacacare and enactment of Ryancare, reversal of Dodd-Frank, and tax reform) those who truly are clueless about what's going on (including some Democrat voters) are going to see very dramatic changes in the economy.

The "increasingly ambitious left" Kurtz mentions above are going to see their influence wane even more among these citizens who will become convinced that the conservatives were right about the economy. Thus, even though these moonbats might be increasingly ambitious, they will lose even more of their power. Conservatives will take more of a stake in institutions. The far left's current screams are those who are terrified of LOSING power, not GAINING it.

10 posted on 08/12/2012 12:21:12 PM PDT by what's up
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To: Jack Black

Two tickets, two Americas, two pings.

Cool!


11 posted on 08/12/2012 12:30:29 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Yardstick

So if the Muzzies detonate suitcase nukes in a few large urban areas (Boston, NYC, Chicago, and LA come to mind immediately), the grip of the DemocRAT Party on America will be broken?

Sounds like a small price to pay.


12 posted on 08/12/2012 12:38:19 PM PDT by Arm_Bears (Re-distribute my work ethic, not my wealth.)
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To: Jack Black
i do believe the Republicans were always blue/true blue because the Republican Union Army was BLUE so the RATS were stuck with with red or white and they HATED Red on a self loathing RED Communist basis... so with the help of the L$M fifth column they glommed onto blue at their first chance
13 posted on 08/12/2012 1:39:21 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Arm_Bears

Throw in San Francisco and you’ve got a deal.


14 posted on 08/12/2012 1:59:50 PM PDT by Noumenon (Obama 2012: Zimbabwe without the airfare)
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To: Arm_Bears

Make sure you add San Francisco and Sacramento to that list.


15 posted on 08/12/2012 2:06:59 PM PDT by 5th MEB (Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
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To: Jack Black

wow, that’s a lot of weak sauce you’re slopping around

the color red has been the symbolic color for socialism since before WW2.

the progressives went into hiding due to their close ideological relationship with the commies, socialists, and nazis. when they came back in the early 60s, they had a PR problem... they wanted to insure they wouldn’t be associated with the nazis, as the image, although accurate, doesn’t play well for them.

soooo.... they started to immediately try to associated nazis with republicans and conservatives. people that are pro small govt are being associated with totalitarian fascists bent on big govt practices.

that gave them 2 benefits... the first being to distance themselves from the bad imagery and the second being able to vilify their political and ideological enemies.

red ... color of socialism, fascists, commies, and progressives.

it’s also the color of all the blood their hell bent ideology sheds ‘for the common good’


16 posted on 08/12/2012 2:42:08 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Jim Robinson

Jim my friend whether you like it or not, one of these men will be President come January 2013. That’s a fact barring some miracle.

Now you’re free to do whatever you wish with your vote. That’s your right. Just realize that every single vote withheld from the Romney/Ryan ticket is one less vote that Obama has to overcome. If you’re ok with that then by all means don’t vote the top of the ticket. It’s not like it matters in California anyway.

But Freepers in swing states where it’s close need to think about whether or not they want to take personal responsibility for handing Florida, Pennsylvania, or North Carolina’s electoral college votes over to David Axelrod and Valerie Jarrett. Maybe you can live with that. I know I can’t.

As for me, well I don’t care if Romney is a Mormon. At this point I wouldn’t care if he was a Taoist, Buddhist, Zorastoran, or if he worshipped Cthulu. As Steyn put it, this is the last exit for America and I’m not willing to help Obama, Harry Reid, and Pelosi jam their collective foot on the accelerator.

I know you disagree. I also know that this if your house. If this causes me to be unwelcome here all you have to do is say so. There will be no need to Zot me.


17 posted on 08/12/2012 4:38:20 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Lurker

Well, my vote here in liberal California will not make any difference in the presidential race and I definitely don’t want a pro-abortion, pro-homo, pro-statist vote on my conscience. I’ll vote for a pro-life, pro-family, pro-small government conservative. Thank you very much.


18 posted on 08/12/2012 4:52:07 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: sten
Doesn't work that way. “Red” was for the challenger. “Blue” was for the incumbent. That only changed during the Clinton's second election when “Red state” became synonymous with “Republican.”
19 posted on 08/12/2012 5:22:28 PM PDT by Little Ray (AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Yardstick

I agree with the premise of the article because we do have two Americas. Leftists are not my fellow countrymen, they are not my friends, and I do not care to live beside them. Something needs to give and it ain’t gonna be me.


20 posted on 08/12/2012 5:38:18 PM PDT by Jay Redhawk (Zombies are just intelligent, good looking democrats.)
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To: Yardstick
Two Tickets, One to take our country back, the other will send it to hell.

Romney/Ryan to save and take our country back.

Obama/Biden to send our country to hell.

No other tickets can save it our place it in peril Will you vote to save our country? If you write-in a candidate or ticket, then you send our country to Hell!!!

21 posted on 08/12/2012 5:44:04 PM PDT by Chief901 (Obama Septic Tank Campaign Ads, full of sh!t and smell like crap)
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To: Jim Robinson
I’ve moved from “liberal” NY to purple PA. It’s blue enough here that it’s probably impossible that a Republican victory here (tho possible) would be the margin of victory. So I suppose that I could take that same attitude that was applicable in NY and CA - vote conservative in all seasons. But we both know that we’re not casting a real vote in that case, we’re just participating in a sort of straw poll with no possible consequences. But I sure don’t want people taking that attitude in FL and OH, or the remnants of the republic are pretty much obliterated.
I started advocating a “Draft Palin” movement shortly after the midterm election, but it turned out that there was hardly any support for that, even here. I still think that was our main chance of preventing a Romney nomination, but obviously wishes and horses, and all that.
At my age I’m not sure I’ll ever vote for a candidate instead of against his opponent ever again. Only time I really felt that way was Reagan. But that’s life in the big city - in principle there are many scores of millions of people who are natural born citizens over the age of 35 who could be elected POTUS, and a simple first-past-the-pole election can’t possibly reduce that down to the mythical “single best person for the job."

22 posted on 08/12/2012 5:52:13 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which “liberalism" coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: Jim Robinson

So how would you vote if your vote mattered?

My situation is the opposite of yours — regardless of how I vote, Alabama will go for Romney. But I’m going to vote Romney nevertheless. I’ve been a purist in the past but feel strongly now that best thing for the country is to vote the Marxist out of office. Choosing the lesser of two evils is something grownups have to do from time to time.


23 posted on 08/12/2012 5:56:27 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Arm_Bears

In a spirit of religious tolerance and non-partisanship, an alien craft and D.C. - as in the movie, Independence Day, would be all I need.

90% of the evil in this country resides in D.C.


24 posted on 08/12/2012 6:03:25 PM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: Yardstick

There’s absolutely no way I could ever vote for an abortionist/homosexualist/statist etch-a-sketch liar like Romney, even if I lived in a swing state. I’d have to hang up my spurs and retire if I did and I’m nowhere ready to do that yet. Too many battles left to fight.


25 posted on 08/12/2012 6:04:59 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Well that’s fine. You vote according to your personal hangups. The rest of us will suck it up and vote to save the country from a Marxist disaster.


26 posted on 08/12/2012 6:15:57 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick

I’d settle on just impeaching the usurper.


27 posted on 08/12/2012 6:18:56 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: sten
Notice that the dems, whose ideology is socialist, were associated with the color 'red' until as recently as the 2000 election

I'm glad you noticed the color change too.

28 posted on 08/12/2012 6:24:08 PM PDT by Jess Kitting
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To: Yardstick

And like I said before, my California vote for the presidency doesn’t matter anyway so why should I perjure myself?


29 posted on 08/12/2012 6:24:17 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Yardstick
Well that’s fine. You vote according to your personal hangups. The rest of us will suck it up and vote to save the country from a Marxist disaster.

bwahahahah...i just had a starwars flashback...

30 posted on 08/12/2012 6:25:35 PM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: Yardstick

...the makers and the takers?


31 posted on 08/12/2012 6:33:37 PM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: Jim Robinson

But that’s pure fantasy. Life on planet Earth, even in America, is a mess, but it’s an influenceable mess. We’re not so off track that we can’t swing it back if we keep a level head. The left would love for us to cripple ourselves with perfectionism. We shouldn’t make it easy for them.


32 posted on 08/12/2012 6:48:08 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Jim Robinson

Because your vote wouldn’t be perjury, that’s why. You’d just be saying “Romney sucks but he’s not a Marxist disaster”, and that would be the truth. There’s no dishonor in that.


33 posted on 08/12/2012 7:10:01 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick

I’m not going to vote for an abortionist, nor a homosexualist, nor a statist. Give it a rest.


34 posted on 08/13/2012 12:19:24 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Just a thought here... each vote matters in the popular vote total. Before the everybody starts jumping on me, I KNOW the popular vote doesn’t matter constitutionally, only the electoral college does.

But do we really want a repeat of 2000, when Bush won the electoral vote and Gore won the popular vote?

I would prefer NOT to have a victory tained that way, so even though I’m in a blue state I will add to Romney’s total.

People keep telling me I should vote my conscience because I’m in a blue state and my vote won’t help give the state to Romney. My conscience tells me Obama and his lawless posse must go, so for me it’s ABOWHASCIH (Anybody But Obama Who Has a Snowball’s Chance in Hell.) That leaves out third party long shots.

I’m not attemting to convice you, or the steadfast NO ROMNEY/NO WAY people here. Just sharing my view. I cannot be swayed, just as you cannot be swayed. We’ll just have to agree to disagree. Fair?


35 posted on 08/13/2012 8:33:51 AM PDT by SandyInSeattle (Eat Mor Chikin!)
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