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The ‘Lesser Of Two Evils’ Con-Game
Alt-Market ^ | 12 June 2012 | Brandon Smith

Posted on 08/12/2012 11:39:36 AM PDT by delacoert

The moral relativism of the “lesser of two evils” philosophy has been draining the heart and soul of America for decades. Many of us in the Liberty Movement understand that it is nothing new, and have come to expect the abusive and emaciated logic it entails from time to time. However, over the course of the past year it has become apparent to me that the talking points and propaganda that drive the hypocritical worldview are being utilized on an even grander scale than ever before. This fact struck me quite sharply while attending a local GOP Lincoln/Reagan dinner event while I was attempting to gauge the overall danger our country would be facing from potential RINO (Republican In Name Only) sellouts as well as what our hopes were for a possible political solution at the local and state level. The “conservative” rally was, to say the least, disappointing.

One thing that stood out plainly at this event, though, was that there was an overall template; an action plan, a message that had been pre-engineered. Someone had sent out a memo, or an email, or a guide, or perhaps beamed talking points directly into the cyborg brains of these political hacks. Their rhetoric was repetitive and uniform and dry like elbow skin. The demand was clearly stated; regardless of who won the Republican Primaries, no matter how unprincipled, how unconstitutional, how despicable, it was our “duty” as conservatives to back them through the national elections. Obama and the Democrats had to be defeated at all costs…

Now, one of the first tenets or rules that a person learns when delving into the Liberty Movement is that there is no such thing as political parties in America today. There are no conflicting interests in Washington D.C. There is no “grand battle” between left and right for the minds of the masses. It is a sham. A con. A fantasy. A false paradigm.

In reality, the leaderships of both fraudulent parties support essentially the same methodology, and that methodology could be summarized thus: Centralize everything, globalize everything, control everything, grow government power, reduce the effectiveness of the citizenry, turn the public against each other, rob them while they’re distracted. If an American does not understand this dynamic and how it is used to dominate the ebb and flow of our culture, then that American knows nothing. He is lost…

Sadly, even those of us who should very well know better than to fall into the false left/right paradigm trap do so on occasion, as has been made painfully obvious by the foolhardy actions of Rand Paul and his blank check endorsement of Mitt Romney. Certainly, this epic blunder, which seems to me to be a blind stab at political maneuvering on the part of Ron Paul’s son, has set off an angry firestorm amongst true Constitutionalists who know every lie Mitt Romney has ever told. People are using words like “betrayal”, and “traitor”, and with good reason, but let’s look at this calamity from the other side of things for a moment…

There are others out there who would applaud Rand Paul’s decision. While many of them will openly admit that they do not feel very secure in the shadow of a Romney presidency, they still rationalize their position by making the “lesser of two evils” argument. “America may be going off the edge of a cliff”, they say, “but at least Romney won’t press the gas peddle as hard as Obama”. Here are just a few of the many reasons why this way of thinking will lead to the end of our society as we know it…

Lesser Of Two Evils? There’s No Such Thing…

First of all, asserting that there is such a thing as a “lesser of two evils” is an act of naivety. It relies on a very dangerous assumption; that one can somehow quantify which candidate is going to hurt the country less. I’ve even read essays by people who pretend they can mathematically delineate the “more evil” of the evils! Not surprisingly, their “logic” invariably leads them to proclaim the lesser evil to be the candidate of the party they happen to belong to. Ignorant Republicans always see the Democrat as the greater evil, while ignorant Democrats always see the Republican as the ultimate monster.

Here’s some math for you: there are two candidates for President of the United States, one is a cannibalistic serial killer who plans to murder 20 more people with his own hands while in office. The other is a cannibalistic serial killer who only plans to kill 19 innocents personally. Which candidate do you support?

The correct answer is NEITHER.

Unless you are a fan of murder, there is no inherent difference between these two demonic bureaucrats. They both stand in opposition to the guiding principles of inborn conscience, as well as the protections provided by the laws of free people. The fact that one man will do slightly less damage during his reign is irrelevant. Is a choice between Stalin and Hitler, for instance, really a choice at all? Which one is the "lesser evil" in this equation?

Some may argue that this comparison is a bit over the top. I beg to differ. Presidents have the power not only to maim and kill en mass, but they also have the power to dismantle the laws which protect our civil liberties. To drive the point home as far as Romney and Obama are concerned, let’s watch the following video, which removes the blinders and exposes these two charlatans for what they really are; two peas in a pod:

A refusal to vote, or a vote for a third party, is not a vote for Obama, or a vote for Romney, but a vote against the charade.

There is no such thing as a “lesser evil”. Either a candidate follows the path of truth and honor, or he does not. If he does, he deserves our support. If he does not, or if both candidates are criminals, then they both must be tossed to the wayside. Just because the system has deliberately limited our choices does not mean we are required to participate in the flim-flam.

Participation Is A Duty?

I have also heard the argument that by refusing to participate within the system, and by refusing to choose a specimen from the carnival of horrors we are presented every election cycle, we are doing more harm to America than good. This is the most prevalent falsehood of our era.

The bottom line is, Americans have been dancing in the lesser of two evils pageantry for generations and our Constitutional shield has only been further degraded and destroyed in that time. I defy anyone to show how choosing Obama over McCain, or Bush over Gore, or Clinton over Bush Sr. has helped this country or its people. Where are these illusory advantages and benefits of participation? Where has our country gone while the public fettered away years trying to decide which ghoul to hand over the scepter of empire to? Or, the ultimate question; what specifically have they achieved? Have they gained anything? Has any minutia of our lives been made better by following the “lesser of two evils theory”? Only a fool would claim yes…

One might argue that a non-vote is the same as putting all bad candidates on the same footing, and that this would be “wrong”. I disagree. In an election in which all candidates share the same disparaging policies, they are ALREADY on the same footing. We simply refuse to give the farce legitimacy by casting our vote for any one of them.

In the game of chess, the primary goal is to diminish your opponent’s options. To force him into a corner where, no matter which choice he makes, he loses. Chess, however, is not life. In life, intelligent and creative individuals have the ability to walk away from the board completely and implement their own solutions. The more we continue to participate in the rigged game, and the more we continue to view the future as a series of self contained boundaries administered by the establishment instead of a wide open frontier in which all is possible, the more we will lose, until there is nothing left.

Only Cowards Compromise In The Face Of Evil

Good does not compromise with evil. As stated above, there is nothing to be gained by it. I find that the people most prone to suggesting or demanding compromise with oligarchs and tyrants are usually cowards who have never faced down any legitimate struggle in their lives with any passion. But, how do they sell this stunted philosophy to others? The illusion here is one of “reason” or “objectivity”.

Fearful men often use the guise of objectivity (even if they are not) to avoid confrontation, especially confrontation with a supposed authority figure or government. Strangely, their powers of reason and deduction invariably seem to lead them to subservience to the establishment structure. Compromise, for them, is a way to protect their flailing egos by playing the role of the “even handed citizen” while at the same time crawling towards servitude.

The argument to this position would, of course, be that many in the Liberty Movement compromise with evil everyday. That we follow laws we disagree with and that we find reprehensible, and that this makes us somehow “hypocritical”. I would say that this is a very narrow and disingenuous view.

Free minded people do not “follow” reprehensible laws so much as tolerate them while working to dismantle them (“following” infers acceptance). Being honorable and generally of good will, we look for peaceful avenues of redress and change. But, if those avenues are closed to us, and if the injustices expand, the free minded become freedom fighters. Dissent and even revolution are inevitable in the face of tyranny. It is an undeniable feature of human nature.

What I find most interesting though is the conundrum that this conflict of interest creates for the skeptical establishment slave. If the Liberty Movement tolerates bad law while searching for a peaceful path towards change, they call us hypocritical. If the Liberty Movement abandons tolerance and brings force to bear against tyranny and its abuse of the law, they call us “fringe extremists”. Apparently, the only way we can be correct in the eyes of self proclaimed objectivists is if we bow to the constraints of the system, sit back, keep our mouths shut, and enjoy the bread and circuses.

The Greatest Evil Is Moral Relativism

Collectivist governments seek to encourage extreme moral flexibility. Totalitarian regimes cannot survive otherwise. The lesser of two evils sales pitch is, in the end, an extension of the methodology of moral relativism. It trains us to embrace the status quo, whether we like it or not, and to continuously rationalize our adherence to the sham just to get through the day. The mental gymnastics we are required to perform become more complex and unstable. Eventually, in order to ease our consciences which are screaming in agony at the pit of our chests, we have to stop caring about anything, and just go through the motions of participation.

This is not the way to freedom.

There are other ways to secure liberty beyond elections, but for these strategies to be effective, we have to stop asking for permission from the establishment before we take action. Perhaps you seek to step outside the box and away from the controlled paradigm. Perhaps you seek to confront the system head on, either exposing its duplicity and evil, or erasing it as an obstacle completely. The system, its laws, and its political theater are of no consequence, especially when it has been so corrupted.

Moral relativists, though keen on the idea of mutable law, enjoy the trappings of the law as long as it is to their benefit. The law, as I have pointed out in the past, is arbitrary, and always has been. The only true law is the law of inherent and universal conscience. My conscience, as with most other people, tells me that choosing the “lesser of two evils” (an illogical abstraction) sends a message to the elitists that manipulate our culture that I am willing to help them perpetuate their fiction. I become an accomplice in the crime. I commit self mutilation. I give power to the lie.

Such institutionalized misery can only be undone by uncompromising men and women who put principles and conscience before comfort, or even before their own lives. All throughout history, this is how wrong is undone. No society ever changed for the better by casting aside their beliefs and their individualism. No society ever changed for the better by choosing the lesser of two evils. No society ever changed for the better by holding out the hand of friendship to despots, maniacs, and con-men in the hopes that they would be spared just a little less tragedy before their time on this Earth is over…


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1 posted on 08/12/2012 11:39:41 AM PDT by delacoert
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To: delacoert
. The more we continue to participate in the rigged game, and the more we continue to view the future as a series of self contained boundaries administered by the establishment instead of a wide open frontier in which all is possible, the more we will lose, until there is nothing left.

That's it, isn't it. That's the trap.

2 posted on 08/12/2012 11:49:59 AM PDT by GBA
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To: aimhigh; aMorePerfectUnion; bonfire; annieokie; brytlea; Colofornian; colorcountry; ...

ping


3 posted on 08/12/2012 11:52:36 AM PDT by delacoert
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To: delacoert

Brilliant and true.

I will support neither Obama nor Romney. They are the same. Time to break free of the GOP elite trying to scare us with the boogeyman.


4 posted on 08/12/2012 11:52:48 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: RIghtwardHo

They are the same.

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That’s absolutely ridiculous!!!!!!!!!


5 posted on 08/12/2012 11:56:53 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. - Modified Descartes)
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To: delacoert

To choose to do nothing (such as not voting) is also a choice, with moral ramifications of its own.


6 posted on 08/12/2012 11:59:19 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. - Modified Descartes)
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To: delacoert

The lesser evil is still evil.


7 posted on 08/12/2012 12:00:53 PM PDT by bmwcyle (Corollary - Electing the same person over and over and expecting a different outcome is insanity)
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To: RIghtwardHo

Alright. Let’s accept this entire premise as true.

So what’s your solution to the problem?

This is the same thing as democrats knocking down Ryan’s Medicare plan when they don’t have a damn thing to offer as an alternative.


8 posted on 08/12/2012 12:02:16 PM PDT by Marie ("The last time Democrats gloated this hard after a health care victory, they lost 60 House seats.")
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To: RIghtwardHo; All

Fool! Stick your head in he sand as much as you want. By not supporting Romney you ARE voting for Obama and communism.


9 posted on 08/12/2012 12:06:23 PM PDT by libstripper
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To: delacoert
Author has a bad case of Paulite butthurt syndrome.
10 posted on 08/12/2012 12:06:56 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man (T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII 2012 - "Together, I Shall Ride You To Victory")
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To: delacoert

When not fighting for the lesser of two evils , the greater evil wins.

Even Reagan our greatest president, recognized his errors and later regretted having made them.


11 posted on 08/12/2012 12:12:39 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Chosing Ryan = a choice between two dramatically divergent views of government spending & taxes.)
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To: delacoert

The moral relativism of the “lesser of two evils”

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To tolerate a lesser evil in order to avoid a greater evil or in order to promote a greater good is not relativism. Relativists see *good* as something that may be different for each individual.

Moral relativism is the view that ethical standards, morality, and positions of right or wrong are CULTURALLY based and therefore subject to a person’s individual choice/belief. In other words, everything is subjective and there is no objective truth.

Our culture is full of relativism these days....which is one of the main catalysts for the support of gay “marriage.”


12 posted on 08/12/2012 12:15:27 PM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. - Modified Descartes)
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To: bmwcyle
The lesser evil is still evil.

Is a lesser good still good? If good and evil are absolutes, how can there be a "lesser" evil? Everyone would have to be judged to be either absolutely evil or absolutely good.

13 posted on 08/12/2012 12:17:58 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Marie
The solution is to concentrate getting and keeping conservatives in the House and Senate.

Contrary to the GOP-E, winning the White House isn't the most important race. We won with Bush and got a liberal, we lost with Clinton, but a conservative majority on the Hill forced Clinton to govern conservatively, more conservatively than W.

A conservative majority on the Hill can get the RINOs on their side when battling a Democrat in the Oval Office. A liberal Republican in the Oval Office is just about assured of a majority on the Hill consisting of RINOs and Democrats to support whatever liberal thing he wants to do.

The important race is to control the Hill.

14 posted on 08/12/2012 12:21:28 PM PDT by slowhandluke (It's hard to be cynical enough in this age.)
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>> The bottom line is, Americans have been dancing in the lesser of two evils pageantry for generations

And this sweeping generalization includes Reagan.

>> A refusal to vote, or a vote for a third party, is not a vote for Obama, or a vote for Romney, but a vote against the charade.

Such is the intent, but in swing States, the passive vote facilitates the reelection of Obama.

Life and Liberty will have a better chance with Republicans in all 3 Houses. With Obama again in the White House, Life and Liberty will suffer greater losses.


15 posted on 08/12/2012 12:21:54 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: delacoert

This verbose genius should spend time firing a couple of neurons to analyse the possible outcomes of casting his or her vote to someone who cannot practically muster enough votes to win.

By not voting for either of the two leading contenders, the serial killers mentioned (one who has killed 20 million vs. one who has killed 19 million), with no viable third candidate anywhere close to these two, a voter basically strengthens the power of the vote of the rest of the population who will vote for one of the two. In effect, by not voting for either of the aforementioned two, he or she ends up empowering the vote value of each of the rest of the population who will. Every action and inaction leads to a consequence in this game.

That’s how republican democracy works, and is also its fatal flaw.


16 posted on 08/12/2012 12:22:36 PM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: NoLibZone; delacoert
Even Reagan our greatest president, recognized his errors and later regretted having made them.

Where is the evidence that Romney has recognized his errors and regrets them?

17 posted on 08/12/2012 12:31:06 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: slowhandluke

I really do agree with you. My own hopes rest with a conservative congress.

The judge appointee argument doesn’t sway me to support Romney because I don’t believe he can be trusted to appoint good judges.

My main concern is Obama’s executive orders. He’s proved that, if he can’t get it done through congress, he’ll get it done with the wave of a pen.

I also believe that Romney can be persuaded by a resolute congress and an aware public to sign off on a lot of the conservative agenda. Obama won’t give an inch.

My main concerns are the economy and security. Without those things, we have nothing.


18 posted on 08/12/2012 12:35:00 PM PDT by Marie ("The last time Democrats gloated this hard after a health care victory, they lost 60 House seats.")
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To: Marie

Careful, Marie. You are using logic, common sense...

;-)


19 posted on 08/12/2012 12:35:02 PM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. - Modified Descartes)
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To: libstripper

That argument is only put forth by people who are happily voting for the liberal Romney.
You want to support him fine, but don’t try and say those of us who do not support liberals are responsible for your capitulation.


20 posted on 08/12/2012 12:36:11 PM PDT by roylene (Salvation the great Gift of Grace.)
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To: delacoert
First of all, asserting that there is such a thing as a “lesser of two evils” is an act of naivety.

It's probably more naive to think that some political alternative will be wholly good and that this is foreseeable in advance.

Government is, I guess, a necessary evil, and any exercise of power has perils and risks associated with it.

Electing any government means getting together with people who don't entirely share your own view and trying to do things when the outcome is unpredictable.

Libertarians and anarchists like to assume that by rejecting government they represent something wholly and unquestionably good, but that's hardly the case.

They don't get away from risk and uncertainty, and to the degree that they advocate major changes, the risks can be large.

A multiparty system, would allow you to vote for exactly what you want, but rather than getting what you ask for your party will have to go into coalition with other, more questionable parties if it wins.

Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard. -- H.L. Mencken

21 posted on 08/12/2012 12:37:04 PM PDT by x
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To: delacoert

The GOP is using the Overton Window tactic against us pushing us ever leftward a little at a time.

http://www.mackinac.org/7504

The GOP has moved leftward since they got rid of Reagan. Bush Sr was a moderate move to the left followed by the Clinton big move which led to Bush Jr which was painted as a move to the right but wasn’t. This led to the big move of McCain with an attempt to adjust with Palin and it failed. Now we’re seeing the biggest leftward GOP move of all with an attempt to adjust with Ryan. Its like Bill Clinton is our nominee.


22 posted on 08/12/2012 12:41:23 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: SumProVita

Agreed.


23 posted on 08/12/2012 12:42:56 PM PDT by 88keys (we had better get our act together, or Obama's re-elected...)
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To: roylene
I gave $200 to the Cain campaign, another $200 to the Santorum campaign, and voted for Santorum, all to stop Romney. Nevertheless, we're stuck with him as the only alternative to Obama and communism. Like it or not, it's "either or," and nothing else. That means, try to fool yourself as much as you want to, your choice not to vote for Romney is a choice to vote for Obama and communism. Hope you're proud of yourself.
24 posted on 08/12/2012 12:45:51 PM PDT by libstripper
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To: NoLibZone
When not fighting for the lesser of two evils , the greater evil wins.

Of course.

And in our day to day life in the Real World (not a perfect, imaginary world controlled completely by our own personal preferences), all the choices we make (trivial decisions and major ones) entail weighing the pros and cons and choosing the lesser of two evils.

It's not logical to expect political choices to be exempt from that reality.

25 posted on 08/12/2012 12:48:15 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: delacoert

Excellent post! Just what I’ve been telling people for months: Both of the candidates we’ve had foisted upon us will lead us to Socialism. One more quickly than the other.


26 posted on 08/12/2012 12:49:54 PM PDT by oldfart (Obama nation = abomination. Think about it!)
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To: delacoert

Excellent post! Just what I’ve been telling people for months: Both of the candidates we’ve had foisted upon us will lead us to Socialism. One more quickly than the other.

I will not vote for either of them.


27 posted on 08/12/2012 12:50:33 PM PDT by oldfart (Obama nation = abomination. Think about it!)
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To: libstripper

The only way I could be voting for Obama is if I vote for Obama .
I do not vote for liberals.
Never fear my vote won’t count regardless Obama has already bought my state.


28 posted on 08/12/2012 12:52:51 PM PDT by roylene (Salvation the great Gift of Grace.)
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To: delacoert

Ping me too for these types of threads!


29 posted on 08/12/2012 12:57:48 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: RIghtwardHo
I will support neither Obama nor Romney. They are the same. Time to break free of the GOP elite trying to scare us with the boogeyman.

Agree....Bush and that crowd made me a sultan of cynicism.

Now the GOP-e runs some wealthy liberal from Massachusetts, as the party groupies run around telling everyone to hold their noses again...It will be OK...lol

What a farce.

30 posted on 08/12/2012 12:59:34 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion or tools of deceit)
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To: Marie

Guess what? Even Romney is hedging his bets on Ryan’s budget plan. He’s refusing to endorse it, while at the same time “applauding” it, while at the same time saying he’s going to pass his own undefined thing.

The solution is to give the GOPe the finger, show them that they do not own us, work on the house and congress to oppose Obama, and get a conservative to run in 2016.


31 posted on 08/12/2012 1:00:04 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: bmwcyle

Ok, but it’s also still the lesser of the two evils and that’s unfortunately the only choice we have this election. If you’re an American, you ARE going to have one of them dropped in your lap come November. Don’t you want a say in which one? America has gangrene. We can use the RINO knife to amputate and survive, suffering a less than ideal short term political outcome, or...we can let the 0bama regime inflict its worst on us for another four years. The ostensibly pure conservatives already lost the primaries and the third party candidates can do nothing but Perot us into another four years of 0bama, so what do we do? Sit around moaning on the sidelines until after the election and then smugly say “I told you so” as the country crumbles before our eyes? There are people around here who seem to make a full time job of stamping their feet and shaking their fists while yelling about how much the GOP sucks; maybe it makes them feel good to vent their spleen, or maybe they have ulterior motives, but either way it only helps 0bama in the end. Don’t fall for it.


32 posted on 08/12/2012 1:05:29 PM PDT by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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To: delacoert

The author obviously knows that Jesus is running.

Why he doesn’t tells us which box to check to vote for Jesus is evil in and of itself.


33 posted on 08/12/2012 1:06:48 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Liberals, at their core, are aggressive & dangerous to everyone around them,)
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To: delacoert
A refusal to vote, or a vote for a third party, is not a vote for Obama, or a vote for Romney, but a vote against the charade...

We simply refuse to give the farce legitimacy by casting our vote for any one of them.

I become an accomplice in the crime. I commit self mutilation. I give power to the lie.

Don't fall for the psyops.

They know that people won't turn out for Obama. Now they're trying to convince YOU to stay home, too.

-PJ

34 posted on 08/12/2012 1:07:55 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too ( It doesn't come naturally when you're not natural born.)
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To: RaisingCain
Guess what? Even Romney is hedging his bets on Ryan’s budget plan. He’s refusing to endorse it, while at the same time “applauding” it, while at the same time saying he’s going to pass his own undefined thing.

D-uh. He wants to win the election. No candidate is going to sign over his budget-crafting power before he gets into office.

35 posted on 08/12/2012 1:09:55 PM PDT by x
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To: RaisingCain
Anything to convince Republican supporters to stay home interests you, right?

-PJ

36 posted on 08/12/2012 1:10:31 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too ( It doesn't come naturally when you're not natural born.)
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To: Trod Upon

You have missed the real point. How long will God forgive us for excepting evil? I don’t think we have long.


37 posted on 08/12/2012 1:14:42 PM PDT by bmwcyle (Corollary - Electing the same person over and over and expecting a different outcome is insanity)
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To: delacoert
No Cthulhu pic yet??? People are slipping... Image and video hosting by TinyPic
38 posted on 08/12/2012 1:16:25 PM PDT by Windcatcher (Obama is a COMMUNIST and the MSM is his armband-wearing propaganda machine.)
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To: RaisingCain

I agree with you. (fellow Caniac here!)

I don’t admire a man without a solid foundation.

Romney will say or do whatever it takes to be elected. He’s trying to appease the base while not alienating scared seniors.

He’s a freain’ flake - an East Coast Liberal. A RINO.

BUT, I am very afraid myself. I’m scared that we won’t have a country left in another four years. I’m scared to hell of debt (personally) and I’m horrified by our national debt. I’m scared of inflation. I’m frightened for my 18 and 20 year old children who’re just starting out. I’m terrified for my soldier-husband who’s been to combat six times and it’s never been more dangerous than when we deployed under Obama. I’m disabled and I’m afraid to be at the mercy of bureaucrats who believe that I have no value as a human being.

I’m scared enough that I would vote for Hitlery just to get rid of Obama.

It’ll be one HELL of a lot harder to undo more damage than to prevent the damage in the first place. We know, from past experience, that once liberal policies are in place, they’re almost impossible to get rid of.


39 posted on 08/12/2012 1:18:08 PM PDT by Marie ("The last time Democrats gloated this hard after a health care victory, they lost 60 House seats.")
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To: Political Junkie Too
Anything to convince Republican supporters to stay home interests you, right?

Anyone encouraging anyone to vote for anyone except the main opposition candidate to Obama is actively working to get Obama reelected.

As I said elsewhere:
"Don’t Get Suckered into Supporting the Republican Party" is exactly what folks like George Soros are saying. You can bet some of the biggest supporters (probably even financially if you could dig deep enough) of conservative third parties are liberal Democrats and other leftists who have taken over the Democrat Party and are busily working to take over the Republican Party. They know that dividing the vote amongst a variety of "Hey, I'm more conservative than you cause I didn't vote for any Republican" nitwits is one their most effective ways to destroy their opposition and to solidify a political hegemony.

Over the past thirty years they have taken control of one of the two largest political parties in a country where winner takes all in elections and are busily working to fracture the only opposition they have by encouraging conservatives to leave the Republican Party in the hands of RINOS rather than working to take over the party apparatus as they, the Leftists, have taken over the Democrat Party. For those who say, "Well, I'm a proud member of the Constitution Party or the Declaration Party or the Conservative Party or the Southern Principled Conservative Party of Holy Ghost Fire on the Mountain Pre-Rapture Remnant of the Real Thing Party and someday we'll be big enough to replace the Republican Party, just like the Temperance Party or the Bull Moose Party did":

Doofuses: we don't live in a parliamentary system where representation is divided proportionally between the losers!

It's winner take all, baby, and the sooner you realize that and stop wasting time fighting like cats and Baptists to multiply the number of me-so-conservative parties the sooner you'll have turned back the liberal encroachment on the existing main opposition party to their main vehicle for political power, the Democrat Party, instead of complimenting yourself on just how wonderfully more conservative your loser party is going to be than the one you deliberately abandoned to leftist takeover.

"Hey, I don't like these liberal bumper stickers on this fully functioning vehicle or the places its driver is taking us, right? So, I've got, like, this great plan to deal with that, 'kay? Instead of tossing the driver out on his butt and getting some more appropriate body detailing and then driving it wherever we want to go, we're going to get out at the next corner, wag our fingers really hard at the driver as he speeds off, and then from scratch build our own new most perfectly conservative vehicle and, someday, maybe, enter that into the race! And won't that glorious day be, oh, so grand?"

And you think Jesus is going to say, "Well done, good and faithful servant for refusing to take back the existing opposition party and, instead, throwing your vote to something that couldn't possibly defeat a known enemy because you thought being considered a more nearly "true" conservative party than any other was more important than actually conserving and preserving the Republic against an ongoing enemy onslaught"?

Dream on.

40 posted on 08/12/2012 1:18:08 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: delacoert; scottjewell; ebb tide; Sirius Lee; lilycicero; MaryLou1; glock rocks; JPG; ...

Comments please. This is a critical discussion we will all have with our loved ones, friends and coworkers over the next few days. The Ron Paul crowd, the Libtardian Gary Johnson crowd, the purists of every stripe. What will we say?


41 posted on 08/12/2012 1:18:08 PM PDT by narses
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To: delacoert
The moral relativism of the “lesser of two evils” philosophy has been draining the heart and soul of America for decades.

So begins an intellectually vacuous screed with a simple misstatement of fact. "Lesser of two evils" is not and has never been an example of moral relativism. You may as well say that any mention of "the greater good" is also moral relativism. That would be an equivalently whacked-out judgement. An example of moral relativism is this: The Muslims don't eat pork, this other group doesn't eat human flesh. Each system has its own proscriptions that are valid within their systems but have no reference to any overarching moral order because there is none. One may or may not eat pork or long pork as one wishes. Its degree of evil is relative only to the system in which it is found. Do your own thing, baby.
42 posted on 08/12/2012 1:25:23 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: delacoert
The author sounds like the type of guy who REFUSE, ABSOLUTELY REFUSE I TELL YOU to get on the train unless he was promised clean restrooms and a hot shower when he got to the work camp. Why? BECAUSE HE IS A MAN OF PRINCIPLE AND WAY WAY MORE CONSERVATIVE THAN EVERYONE ELSE! Yup he'll show’em!
43 posted on 08/12/2012 1:25:43 PM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: bmwcyle
The lesser evil is still evil.

So is the greater evil. Make your choice.

44 posted on 08/12/2012 1:35:45 PM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (Ho, ho, hey, hey, I'm BUYcotting Chick-Fil-A)
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To: delacoert
1. Blah blah blah

2.If you don't vote for Romney/Ryan, you're not a "Conservative", you're a traitor who supports four more years of the Marxist nightmare.

3. Don't ever get on your high horse and start calling people cowards: where were you during the last several wars?

4. See your doctor and get your meds changed before you burst something.

45 posted on 08/12/2012 1:37:20 PM PDT by Chainmail (Warfare is too serious to be left to the amateurs)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty
So is the greater evil. Make your choice.
I am unconvinced that Romney is EVIL. Perfect? Not a chance, but EVIL? I don't think so.
46 posted on 08/12/2012 1:44:06 PM PDT by narses
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To: delacoert

“A refusal to vote, or a vote for a third party, is not a vote for Obama, or a vote for Romney, but a vote against the charade.”

Yes, ideally, it is a vote against the charade. But the charade will continue on as we split the vote.


47 posted on 08/12/2012 1:46:01 PM PDT by scottjewell
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To: aruanan
And you think Jesus is going to say, "Well done, good and faithful servant for refusing to take back the existing opposition party and, instead, throwing your vote to something that couldn't possibly defeat a known enemy because you thought being considered a more nearly "true" conservative party than any other was more important than actually conserving and preserving the Republic against an ongoing enemy onslaught"?

Good point. Jesus rolled up his sleeves, waded right into the opposing factions, and by His example and teachings, won many of them over.

One could easily equate today's leftist Republicans with the tax collectors, prostitutes, Roman occupiers, and Pharisees He lived among and preached to. Following His example of teaching and persuading will always bear far more fruit than refusing to engage the opposition.

In the long run, figuratively kicking the Republican party to the curb and supporting other, weaker alternative parties only advances the greater evil, which is the Democrat Party, the party led by the man who holds our Constitution and Rule of Law in absolute contempt and brazenly tramples both at every opportunity.

The Democrat party (a.k.a. Evil, Inc.) proudly institutionalizes and advances morally depraved behavior. The Democrat party and what it represents is the Greater of Two Evils.

48 posted on 08/12/2012 1:59:10 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: delacoert

I am convinced that 4 more years of Obama will push this country past the point if no return ... irreparable damage. But I think we’ve seen enough backlash and call for real change over the past 2 years to believe that we are heading a better direction thanks to true conservatives and groups like the tea party affecting the votes.

With that in mind, I believe that with a Republican in the white house and control of at least the house and bench (and hopefully Senate) we can get the country back on track.

That said ... Romney/Ryan get my vote this November, because if Obama wins, this country will not be recognizable by 2016.


49 posted on 08/12/2012 2:04:35 PM PDT by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: delacoert

I see the Left wing political stooge pretending to be “Conservative” while posting nonsensical trash talk of the GOP Candidate tactics are alive and well at Move-on.org.


50 posted on 08/12/2012 2:05:00 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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