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Mitt Romney hugs Paul Ryan, but not budget
Politico ^ | Politico

Posted on 08/12/2012 12:12:06 PM PDT by RaisingCain

Romney spokeswoman Sarah Pompei said Saturday that the candidate “applauds” Ryan’s ideas, but intends to issue his own blueprint for reshaping the federal budget. After Romney’s speech introducing Ryan, advisers said the former Massachusetts governor has no intention of being handcuffed to all the specifics of Ryan’s plans — though he has said in the past that he’d sign Ryan’s budget if passed by Congress.

“He has said it moves us in the right direction. He has said that if it’s sent to him, he would sign it. And he has said that he will put forward his own plan,” said one senior Romney adviser. “He is the presidential candidate.”

It’s not clear whether Romney will address his differences of opinion with Ryan, whatever they may be, in any depth between now and Nov. 6, or whether he’ll detail a debt-reduction proposal with the same degree of specificity as Ryan’s. Romney evidently hopes to benefit from Ryan’s brand as a fiscal warrior, without handing Democrats a gift-wrapped attack line to drive conservative-leaning senior citizens away from the GOP.

That may be easier said than done. Introducing Ryan in Norfolk, Va., Romney touted the Wisconsin lawmaker’s fiscal expertise and vowed that he’d protect entitlement programs as president. He called for “bold, specific and achievable” fiscal policies, but did not mention Ryan’s budget by name.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Extended News; Front Page News; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: Illinois; US: Massachusetts; US: New York
KEYWORDS: 2012veep; flipflopper; mittromney; paulryan; rino; rinoromney
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So basically Mittens has it both ways, while, at the same time, having it No Ways at all. This is the same vague stuff we would hear from Obama during his Hope and Change speeches. Mitt Romney is a candidate whom we won't find anything about until AFTER we elect him, since his dishonesty is on such an extreme level that nothing he says can be trusted.
1 posted on 08/12/2012 12:12:21 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: RaisingCain

It’s been suggested that a big part of picking Ryan was to get him out of the congress.


2 posted on 08/12/2012 12:14:50 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: RaisingCain

You seem to assume Politico is telling the truth. That’s not a good idea. Don’t be blinded by your Romney-hate like so many here.


3 posted on 08/12/2012 12:16:29 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: RaisingCain

You seem to assume Politico is telling the truth. That’s not a good idea. Don’t be blinded by your Romney-hate like so many here.


4 posted on 08/12/2012 12:16:45 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: RaisingCain

You seem to assume Politico is telling the truth. That’s not a good idea. Don’t be blinded by your Romney-hate like so many here.


5 posted on 08/12/2012 12:16:45 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: RaisingCain

You seem to assume Politico is telling the truth. That’s not a good idea. Don’t be blinded by your Romney-hate like so many here.


6 posted on 08/12/2012 12:16:45 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: ozzymandus

Oh, what the hell?


7 posted on 08/12/2012 12:17:32 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: ozzymandus

WRONG. I read the QUOTE from Romney’s SPOKESMAN. Try again before the obligatory RNC Inquisition Routine. Everybody DOES EXPECT YOU at this point.


8 posted on 08/12/2012 12:18:04 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: RaisingCain

To prove how incorrect Politico is watch the millions the DNC will spend on attacking one issue about Ryan- his budget.


9 posted on 08/12/2012 12:20:27 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Chosing Ryan = a choice between two dramatically divergent views of government spending & taxes.)
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To: RaisingCain
The one thing that can be trusted above all is that Obama is a communist from childhood who learned everything he knows at the knee of a communist and is out to destroy this country.

Anybody but Obama.

10 posted on 08/12/2012 12:20:58 PM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Really?

Who suggested this?


11 posted on 08/12/2012 12:21:12 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Chosing Ryan = a choice between two dramatically divergent views of government spending & taxes.)
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To: CaptainK

“The one thing that can be trusted above all is that Obama is a communist from childhood who learned everything he knows at the knee of a communist and is out to destroy this country.
Anybody but Obama.”


Can we put the ABO! ABO! ABO! ranting to rest for this thread? I know questions about Mittens and questions about the official GOPe narrative are discouraged by Romney operatives, but let’s at least have ONE rational thread around here.


12 posted on 08/12/2012 12:24:51 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: RaisingCain

Ignore the second sentence to my rant. Pay close attention to the first.


13 posted on 08/12/2012 12:29:47 PM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: Jim Robinson

“It’s been suggested that a big part of picking Ryan was to get him out of the congress.”


Ugh, so they get to hold up Ryan as a nice shiny prop to appease the base, while at the same time it is an attack against our interests? Politics is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.


14 posted on 08/12/2012 12:32:10 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: Jim Robinson

IMO, the major portion of Ryan’s plus, is his budget plans.

If Romney were to cut Ryan off at the knees, that would end the biggest benefit he could give to him.

Imagine the debates, with Ryan unable to touch on his best asset when debating Biden.

Ryan is dead set against Obamacare too, and much of it based on the negative budget impact.


15 posted on 08/12/2012 12:34:56 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Nope 2012)
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To: RaisingCain

Romney team will do better if they’re a moving target. Anything GOP candidates solidly commit to gets ripped to shreds by media.

I wouldn’t pay too much attention to posturing at this point in time.


16 posted on 08/12/2012 12:35:20 PM PDT by Kenny
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To: RaisingCain

NO we cannot put that to rest....because we are REALISTS...we will work our arses off on the House and Senate campaigns....how many of you here are Precinct Committee People.....HUH???? How many? I’m tired of the B***hing...


17 posted on 08/12/2012 12:36:49 PM PDT by goodnesswins (What has happened to America?)
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To: Jim Robinson

As for getting Ryan out of Congress, he should refuse to resign until after they win the election. McCain never tossed his Senate seat.

Once Ryan is VP, good luck shutting him up then. His voice will be even louder. Romney would want to run in 2016. If he gets cute that just might die on the vine.


18 posted on 08/12/2012 12:37:11 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Nope 2012)
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To: RaisingCain

.. oral arguments from the Debbie Wasserman Downer contingent on FR.


19 posted on 08/12/2012 12:47:35 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: RaisingCain; CaptainK
“The one thing that can be trusted above all is that Obama is a communist from childhood who learned everything he knows at the knee of a communist and is out to destroy this country.
Anybody but Obama.”


“Can we put the ABO! ABO! ABO! ranting to rest for this thread? I know questions about Mittens and questions about the official GOPe narrative are discouraged by Romney operatives, but let’s at least have ONE rational thread around here.”

So are you saying that obama is not a Communist? Or are you saying it doesn't matter?

I can't believe people here would let a Communist remain in the White House by putting politics above their country.

20 posted on 08/12/2012 12:47:49 PM PDT by Amntn
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To: RaisingCain

Do not trust Politico to give you the truth, or even a reasonable facsimile of it. Politico was created by Washington Post reporters who decided to leave the WP before the layoffs began due to its declining ad income and readership.

I trust Politico as much as I trust the New York Times and the Washington comPost. Which is not at all.


21 posted on 08/12/2012 12:49:03 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Amntn

What you’re saying is that Mitt Romney’s betrayal of the conservative movement and of the country, over and over again, doesn’t matter because Obama is also a traitor.

Two negatives don’t make a positive, unless you’re in the GOPe.


22 posted on 08/12/2012 12:49:54 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: RaisingCain
Just wait and see...Mitt picked Ryan to try and bamboozle Conservatives (again), and here he is admitting that he could care less about his VP-pick's budget plan.

I guarantee that Romney's people have already handed their RINO script to Ryan, and ordered him to not deviate from it, period. Ryan will be effectively muzzled, just like Palin was in 2008.

The question is, will he go rogue too, like Sarah did, or stick to the milquetoast Romney line.

My guess is the latter, since they've already got Ryan's minders in place.

Romney Campaign Expands Its Staff to Work With Vice-Presidential Pick

23 posted on 08/12/2012 1:00:07 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: RaisingCain
And of course Politico never mentioned that Ryan's plan will have NO affect on Seniors currently 55 years of age and older.

I suspect this inconvenient fact was left out of the poll of Florida seniors cited by Politico.

24 posted on 08/12/2012 1:02:16 PM PDT by upchuck ("Definition of 'racist:' someone that is winning an argument with a liberal." ~ Peter Brimelow)
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To: NoLibZone
Who suggested this?

Another poster, yesterday. So, it must be true.

25 posted on 08/12/2012 1:03:08 PM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: Timber Rattler

That’s what we’re always reduced to with the GOPe: Useful Dogs.


26 posted on 08/12/2012 1:03:08 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: RaisingCain
"What you’re saying is that Mitt Romney’s betrayal of the conservative movement and of the country, over and over again, doesn’t matter because Obama is also a traitor. Two negatives don’t make a positive, unless you’re in the GOPe."

No, what I clearly said is Obama is a COMMUNIST.

Obama, David Axelrod, and Valerie Jarrett were all raised by and mentored by card carrying Communists who all, coincidentally, knew each other and the three of them are busy carrying out the Communist plans taught to them by these mentors.

I also said, I CAN'T BELIEVE PEOPLE HERE WOULD PUT POLITICS AHEAD OF THEIR COUNTRY.

27 posted on 08/12/2012 1:03:44 PM PDT by Amntn
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To: RaisingCain
WRONG. I read the QUOTE from Romney’s SPOKESMAN....

If you had read further down, you would have seen this...

Romney evidently hopes to benefit from Ryan’s brand as a fiscal warrior, without handing Democrats a gift-wrapped attack line to drive conservative-leaning senior citizens away from the GOP.

For the last 50 years, ever since the creation of Medicare, it's been the same theme from the democrats. Now, they are attacking with the predictable "Ryan will take away Medicare from Senior citizens" theme.

Just an hour after the pick, Debbie Blabbermounth -Schultz was being quoted on all top of the hour news saying, "I was on the budget committee with Paul Ryan and I know his tax plan is extreme right-wing ideology and he wants to eliminate Medicare/Medicaid for all Senior citizens"

28 posted on 08/12/2012 1:05:47 PM PDT by muleskinner
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To: Amntn

“I also said, I CAN’T BELIEVE PEOPLE HERE WOULD PUT POLITICS AHEAD OF THEIR COUNTRY.”


That’s exactly what you’re doing. Even RomneyCare was designed by the same socialist in the DSA (Obama’s old club) who also went on to help design ObamaCare itself. Check Trevor Loudon’s New Zeal blog for that story. You’re ignoring the fact that Romney is also a progressive and an enemy of our movement for POLITICAL reasons, because you think that this fight is only about one man, Obama, when really it’s about the entire IDEOLOGY behind him that is winning the fight no matter which way you slice it.


29 posted on 08/12/2012 1:06:25 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: goodnesswins

>how many of you here are Precinct Committee People.<

I am...AND the founder of a very active tea party. And to our credit, the county GOP hates us as much as the Democrats.

Visit us at http://www.bloodofpatriots.org


30 posted on 08/12/2012 1:07:31 PM PDT by bimboeruption (Clinging to my Bible and my HK.)
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To: muleskinner

Notice there is always an excuse for why Romney won’t take a stand on this or that. No one looks to his record for why that may be, but only what they Hope.


31 posted on 08/12/2012 1:07:33 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: goodnesswins

“Realists” = Faux Conservatives.


32 posted on 08/12/2012 1:09:04 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: ozzymandus
He has said it moves us in the right direction. He has said that if it’s sent to him, he would sign it. And he has said that he will put forward his own plan,” said one senior Romney adviser.

I can't find a thing wrong with this. Paul Ryan is a very smart man and Romney has the track record for saving and building businesses. I believe it will be very difficult to turn things around considering the damage that the commie thug in the White Hut has done.

I hope ObamaCare is the first thing to go. We're running out of time.

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33 posted on 08/12/2012 1:10:08 PM PDT by 1035rep (Obama: "I killed Bin Laden" ...you didn't do that. Somebody else made that happen.)
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To: RaisingCain
Obama is a Communist. There is no evidence that Romney is anything other than a common liberal.
34 posted on 08/12/2012 1:10:59 PM PDT by Amntn
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To: Jim Robinson

That was my very first thought. Making him VP makes him Mitt’s slave.


35 posted on 08/12/2012 1:11:29 PM PDT by DManA
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To: Timber Rattler

Very productive. Throw some more names around. Help elect Obama.


36 posted on 08/12/2012 1:15:25 PM PDT by DManA
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To: RaisingCain
Yup. And what's both pathetic and appalling is that so many former "nose-holders" are now wholly embracing Romney and the GOP-E based on the "ABO" hoo-ey. Heck I just got called a troll on another thread by one of these neo-Romneyites because I'm sticking to my Conservative principles---on a Conservative board no less!!!

And the invective and general nastiness that is currently being hurled at us "purists" by the self-proclaimed "realists" is way beyond the pale.

There are going to be a bunch of people who will be very sorry they ever jumped into bed with Romney this election cycle.

37 posted on 08/12/2012 1:16:03 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Jim Robinson
It’s been suggested that a big part of picking Ryan was to get him out of the congress.

VP's usually gets sent to state funerals in places like Abba-Zaba and the Congo, to appease the dictators and witch doctors. He's leaving on a jet plane, don't know when he'll be back again.

38 posted on 08/12/2012 1:17:49 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion or tools of deceit)
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To: RaisingCain
What I take away from this article is that Romney would sign Ryan's budget if it was presented to him. So I'm not quite sure where the "not embracing his budget" comes from. Romney does say that he plans to present his own budget plan but of course he should say that. He's the presidential candidate. It would make him appear weak to say that he doesn't have his own plan.

As for the conspiracy theory that Romney chose Ryan to remove him from power in Congress, that is easily debunked. Ryan is not taking himself off the ballot for Congress so if Romney loses, Ryan will stay in Congress. However, if Romney wins, Ryan is now in even a more powerful position. So either way, Ryan is not going to have any power taken away from him - unless he loses the House race as well. Which is unlikely as I believe he got 70% of the vote last time around.

39 posted on 08/12/2012 1:17:52 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: DManA
Throw some more names around.

Like "purists?"

40 posted on 08/12/2012 1:21:31 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: DoughtyOne

Hillary, Obama, Kerry, Kuchinich, Dodd, Richardson,did not give up their senate seats, I dont think John edwards did either..Bob Dole gave up his senate majority seat to run...


41 posted on 08/12/2012 1:27:28 PM PDT by JoanneSD (hILLh)
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To: Timber Rattler

Also, keep being a sarcastic ass. That’s helpful too.


42 posted on 08/12/2012 1:27:28 PM PDT by DManA
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To: DManA
That’s helpful too.

I'm glad to be of service to you.

43 posted on 08/12/2012 1:29:22 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: SamAdams76

“So I’m not quite sure where the “not embracing his budget” comes from.”

That was Politico trying to read their thoughts. FAIL


44 posted on 08/12/2012 1:31:52 PM PDT by 1035rep (Obama: "I killed Bin Laden" ...you didn't do that. Somebody else made that happen.)
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To: Timber Rattler

If you are a Romney skeptic then I misjudged you. I apologize.

Everything Romney has done tells us to be skeptical about every thing he says. And if he steps back into his old RINO ways for even a second we need to slap him and slap him hard.


45 posted on 08/12/2012 2:00:12 PM PDT by DManA
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To: SamAdams76; RaisingCain
You're right. Let's be sure to understand the realities.

Ryan's plan was crafted in 2011 after the tidal wave swept Nancy Pelosi out of power. It was crafted in an environment where Harry Reid and the Senate had refused to pass a Democrat budget at all for 3 years, and it was crafted when Obama's own budgets were rejected by a unanimous Congress. In other words, Ryan's plan was meant to be political as a juxtaposition to the lack of seriousness coming from Democrats.

The realities will be different in 2013 with a Republican President and Republicans controlling both chambers of Congress. There is every reason to expect that Romney would craft a new plan that contains things that Ryan could not include, or would remove things that Ryan had to include, because of what Romney can do now that Ryan could not do then.

Why turn it into a controversy, when it's not one?

-PJ

46 posted on 08/12/2012 2:19:07 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too ( It doesn't come naturally when you're not natural born.)
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To: JoanneSD

Thanks for the mention. Bob Dole must have retired then. I don’t think he returned did he? Perhaps so for a short spell.


47 posted on 08/12/2012 2:21:27 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Nope 2012)
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To: SamAdams76
As for the conspiracy theory that Romney chose Ryan to remove him from power in Congress, that is easily debunked. Ryan is not taking himself off the ballot for Congress so if Romney loses, Ryan will stay in Congress. However, if Romney wins, Ryan is now in even a more powerful position. So either way, Ryan is not going to have any power taken away from him - unless he loses the House race as well. Which is unlikely as I believe he got 70% of the vote last time around.

Thanks for the voice of reason. It has been sorely lacking here lately.

48 posted on 08/12/2012 2:29:05 PM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: Jim Robinson
It’s been suggested that a big part of picking Ryan was to get him out of the congress.

Well, goll-ee!


49 posted on 08/12/2012 2:39:17 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (FUMR)
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To: bimboeruption

GREAT! You are doing something....the rest of those here seem to be just complaining....


50 posted on 08/12/2012 2:41:25 PM PDT by goodnesswins (What has happened to America?)
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