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Maryland senator calls for gun training and off-limits locations
Washington Times ^ | August 9, 2012 | David Hill

Posted on 08/12/2012 12:56:02 PM PDT by neverdem

ANNAPOLIS — Responding to a court decision that could scrap the state law requiring concealed-carry permit applicants to provide "good and substantial reason" for needing firearms, a Baltimore lawmaker wants to require handgun owners to complete a training course.

Sen. William C. Ferguson IV, a Democrat, introduced a bill Thursday that would require the training and prohibit permit holders from carrying guns in places like churches, bars and movie theaters.

He said the bill is aimed at ensuring permit holders are responsible arms owners. An April U.S. District Court ruling could increase availability of state gun permits by removing the requirement for applicants to prove they need a gun for work or protection from a specific documented threat.

The ruling is currently shelved until the U.S. 4th Circuit Court of Appeals hears the case in October.

"I think gun advocates and folks in favor of gun control should both agree that if you're going to carry a gun and it's concealed, you certainly should be trained with it beforehand," he said.

Maryland law does not currently require handgun-permit applicants to get training. The bill would require applicants to complete training six months before requesting a permit, but would exempt law enforcement and military members.

Mr. Ferguson's bill is unlikely to pass during the special session, which is expected to end Tuesday and will focus almost entirely on bills to expand gambling and protect pit bull owners.

The senator said he hopes to at least start a discussion that could lead to a work group on the issue this fall and legislation next year.

Delegate Michael D. Smigiel Sr., Cecil Republican, said there has been bipartisan interest in requiring handgun training if the district court ruling is upheld. However, Mr. Smigiel has some issues with Mr. Ferguson's bill and is expected...

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Politics/Elections; US: Maryland
KEYWORDS: 2012; banglist; democrats; guncontrol; gunfreezone; liberalfascism
Only a rat could be so willfully stupid to list as gun free zones the kinds of locations just in the news! IIRC, houses of worship were targeted at least three times in recent years: the Sihk temple last week, the church in Colorado where Jeanne Assam(sp?) killed the bad guy and a church in Texas a few years ago.
1 posted on 08/12/2012 12:56:08 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
Unfortunately, Heller vs. DC, upheld gun free zones and other designated ‘areas’ by Gov’t.
2 posted on 08/12/2012 1:02:00 PM PDT by Theoria (Rush Limbaugh: Ron Paul sounds like an Islamic terrorist)
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To: neverdem

AGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR! “and prohibit permit holders from carrying guns in places like churches, bars and movie theaters.”.......................... AGRRRRRRRRR! Yeah, lets leave people completely helpless so a Perp or terrorist has no problem killing them all. Only a genius Democrat would suggest something like that. I bet he carries and has a body guard too.


3 posted on 08/12/2012 1:04:07 PM PDT by Bringbackthedraft ( WHO WE ELECT AS PRESIDENT IS NOT AS IMPORTANT AS WHO THEY APPOINT.)
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To: neverdem

Someone needs to send this guy some pro-firearms information to read. Pretty sure his staffers only let him see Brady pamphlets.


4 posted on 08/12/2012 1:04:42 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The people of MD should fight for their freedom.


5 posted on 08/12/2012 1:06:29 PM PDT by bmwcyle (Corollary - Electing the same person over and over and expecting a different outcome is insanity)
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To: Bringbackthedraft

“good and substantial reason”................................ What just Living in Baltimore isn’t enough?? Another Baltimore politician with his head up his duppa.


6 posted on 08/12/2012 1:14:17 PM PDT by Bringbackthedraft ( WHO WE ELECT AS PRESIDENT IS NOT AS IMPORTANT AS WHO THEY APPOINT.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks; Travis McGee; Joe Brower; wardaddy; El Gato; Squantos; jdege; Myrddin; ...

Is Maryland resigned to shall issue concealed carry? The other states in the 4th Circuit have it: VA, WV and NC, IIRC. I don’t think O’Malley would sign a law for shall issue until MD took it to the Supreme Court, unless it had a naked man provision like in Colorado, i.e. the applicant is an obvious nut job. He might refuse to sign it even with such a provision.


7 posted on 08/12/2012 1:14:21 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem

“....requiring concealed-carry permit applicants to provide “good and substantial reason” for needing firearms....”

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Whaaat? Isn’t the high crime rate good enough reason for CC?

Will all the elites have to justify the firearms carried by their body guards?


8 posted on 08/12/2012 1:25:06 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: neverdem
"I think gun advocates and folks in favor of gun control should both agree that if you're going to carry a gun and it's concealed, you certainly should be trained with it beforehand," he said.

Probably a good idea. And I'm sure we can all agree that anything that most people describe as a "good idea" should definitely be mandated by the government and their betters' activities tracked.

[do I really need a /s here?]

The bill would require applicants to complete training six months before requesting a permit, but would exempt law enforcement and military members.

So let me see if I have this straight: rights for free people, not so much; rights for free people's employees, absolutely! Is that about it?

9 posted on 08/12/2012 1:25:50 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: bmwcyle
The people of MD should fight for their freedom.

If only they could get their hands on some guns....

10 posted on 08/12/2012 1:27:06 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: neverdem

well, the insane will know where the sane are not permitted to carry guns, won’t they? Easy pickings..

Guess the Colorado movie shooter might have been deterred if he knew we wasnt allowed to carry guns in the movie theater! Schizophrenics are usually so law abiding


11 posted on 08/12/2012 1:27:47 PM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: neverdem

If this publicly elected, pustule were serious about additional firearms training, he would push to have it implemented in public schools where kids could learn safe gun handling and make a choice about ownership when they grow up. If he is serious about people making responsible carry decisions, he would push for classes on American Citizenship and Responsibility at the classroom level. The need for “target rich” safe zones for perpetrators would disappear.

Personal Responsibility is an anathema to community organizers.


12 posted on 08/12/2012 1:28:42 PM PDT by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: Still Thinking

They have guns. Mostly they are not allowed to take them for the homes.


13 posted on 08/12/2012 1:31:09 PM PDT by bmwcyle (Corollary - Electing the same person over and over and expecting a different outcome is insanity)
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To: neverdem
Responding to a court decision that could scrap the state law requiring concealed-carry permit applicants to provide "good and substantial reason" for needing firearms...

The Second Amendment is a "good and substatial reason. If it's a right you don't need a reason.

14 posted on 08/12/2012 1:34:53 PM PDT by Starstruck (Only the wealthy and the poor can afford socialism)
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To: neverdem

There were two incidents in Texas: one before and one after the church prohibition was removed. In the first one, several people were killed. In the second one, only the perp got killed.

Libscum don’t care about such things as facts, though. After all, for them this isn’t about crime or public safety, it’s about power and control.


15 posted on 08/12/2012 1:36:48 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Starstruck

substantial


16 posted on 08/12/2012 1:40:51 PM PDT by Starstruck (Only the wealthy and the poor can afford socialism)
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To: piytar
There were two incidents in Texas: one before and one after the church prohibition was removed. In the first one, several people were killed. In the second one, only the perp got killed.

Thanks for the correction.

17 posted on 08/12/2012 1:46:14 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: Theoria
Heller also may have opened the door to 'training' as a requirement to owning a firearm.

Hell, there's so many AR15s in the hands of civilians now that the Swiss model of civilian training might serve as a better option than this enormously massive US military structure that we presently have where only a Navy (and, by proxy, a Marine Corps) is authorized specifically in the US Constitution.

It sure would save us a lot of money and blood if the American army wasn't running all over the planet like a Meals On Wheels with guns program ever since the end of WWII.

With 20 trillion in deficit, we have to take a hard look at this if we're going to be honest.

18 posted on 08/12/2012 2:19:30 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi)
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To: neverdem
Sen. William C. Ferguson IV, a Democrat, introduced a bill Thursday that would require the training and prohibit permit holders from carrying guns in places like churches, bars and movie theaters.

The bill should be named "The Mass-Murderer Protection Act."

19 posted on 08/12/2012 2:24:14 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: neverdem

Welcome, but is was meant as a suplement. You didn’t need any correction to your excellent post.


20 posted on 08/12/2012 2:32:25 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I am sure the criminal element from Baltimore will run right out and sign up for those gun classes.

Baltimore and PG County are the two biggest criminal zones in our state and this clown wants to help his criminal friends keep honest people from getting a gun permit.


21 posted on 08/12/2012 3:31:47 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: neverdem; Tolerance Sucks Rocks

... for your consideration.


22 posted on 08/12/2012 3:45:18 PM PDT by momtothree
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To: neverdem; Tolerance Sucks Rocks

... for your consideration.


23 posted on 08/12/2012 3:45:37 PM PDT by momtothree
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To: neverdem

I am certain that the illegals and gang bangers in Baltimore City, PG County, etc. will comply. /s

Wonder if the rats in the insane asylm that is the State House in Annapolis carry.


24 posted on 08/12/2012 4:00:31 PM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93destr)
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25 posted on 08/12/2012 4:01:13 PM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93destr)
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To: 353FMG
Will all the elites have to justify the firearms carried by their body guards?

I would like to see legislation that bodyguards and off-duty police have no more right to carry than a regular citizen does.

26 posted on 08/12/2012 4:12:50 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (A deep-fried storm is coming, Mr Obama.)
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To: neverdem

Libs are beyond retarded. Rock-like in intelligence, as in none at all. Actually, rocks are smarter because at least they exist in the real world. They should dub this the “maximize slaughter of innocents in churches, bars and movie theaters” bill.


27 posted on 08/12/2012 4:13:44 PM PDT by MCH
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To: neverdem

suggested by a baltimoron?


28 posted on 08/12/2012 4:40:13 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: bmwcyle

I can see all the criminal element in Maryland lining up to take their gun safety course. Yea, right, sure sure~!!


29 posted on 08/12/2012 4:46:45 PM PDT by Mr. Wright
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To: neverdem

Idiot Rats never learn. If they did they would know that LAWS don’t prevent crime.


30 posted on 08/12/2012 5:19:37 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: Theoria; Abundy; Albion Wilde; AlwaysFree; AnnaSASsyFR; bayliving; BFM; cindy-true-supporter; ...

Maryland “Freak State” PING!


31 posted on 08/12/2012 6:35:52 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Obama should change his campaign slogan to "Yes, we am!" Sounds as stupid as his administration is.)
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To: neverdem
Churches? When the Jihadists start bombing Christian Churches in the U.S like they presently do in Paki, I want to be able to carry an equalizer in my church!



Genuflectimus non ad principem sed ad Principem Pacis!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

32 posted on 08/12/2012 6:43:13 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: bmwcyle

Free people should make plans to leave this state. As i am.


33 posted on 08/12/2012 7:55:47 PM PDT by Sensei Ern (After 4 years of BHO, I need some R&R!)
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To: bmwcyle

Free people should make plans to leave this state. As i am.


34 posted on 08/12/2012 9:24:01 PM PDT by Sensei Ern (After 4 years of BHO, I need some R&R!)
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To: 353FMG
“....requiring concealed-carry permit applicants to provide “good and substantial reason” for needing firearms....”
Whaaat? Isn’t the high crime rate good enough reason for CC?
Back when we were having hearings on shall-issue in Minnesota, a Minneapolis police chief testified to a legislative committee that he didn't care if someone was chasing you down the street with an ax, that didn't demonstrate "need".

Meanwhile, we had a number of out-state sheriffs who operated under a policy that having to travel to Minneapolis constituted need, in and of itself.

35 posted on 08/13/2012 5:25:56 AM PDT by jdege
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To: neverdem

Outrageous.

So, it wasn’t bad enough to have a “waiting period” while they check out your bio.

Now, before we even ask, we have to show we had “training” 6 months prior?

And you’re forcing us to purchase training, now? Just like baby seats. Force us to put money in the pockets of those “evil companies” you hate so much - how ironic. Of course, I’m sure MD will get a cut of the expense....

Will this be required EVERY SINGLE time we want to purchase a new firearm? More redundant training?

(BTW, when I purchased a firearm way back just before that nonsense about needing registration, I had basic simple training included. That probably is not enough for this guy.)


36 posted on 08/13/2012 8:42:49 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: bmwcyle

90% of Merrylanders are flaming commie demonrats! They wouldn’t know freedom if it bit them in the a$$!They wait to see what the Dear leader tells them to do!


37 posted on 08/13/2012 10:46:50 AM PDT by texson66 (In the words of Kent Brockman, "As for myself, I welcome our new commie overlords...")
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To: bmwcyle

90% of Merrylanders are flaming commie demonrats! They wouldn’t know freedom if it bit them in the a$$!They wait to see what the Dear leader tells them to do!


38 posted on 08/13/2012 10:48:26 AM PDT by texson66 (In the words of Kent Brockman, "As for myself, I welcome our new commie overlords...")
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To: texson66

Too bad.


39 posted on 08/13/2012 11:56:41 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Corollary - Electing the same person over and over and expecting a different outcome is insanity)
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To: texson66

Too bad.


40 posted on 08/13/2012 11:56:57 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Corollary - Electing the same person over and over and expecting a different outcome is insanity)
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The bill would require applicants to complete training six months before requesting a permit, but would exempt law enforcement and military members.

Ok, this has to be one of the stupidest restrictions ever. So you get your training and then wait for 6 months to use what you learned. So in 6 months, you may have forgotten what you learned and have not practiced.

41 posted on 08/13/2012 12:29:12 PM PDT by gunnut
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