Paul Ryan explains his votes for TARP, bailouts and tax on AIG bonuses

The Daily Caller ^ | 02/14/2010 | Jon Ward

[liberty or death]

Agree 100%. Politics is war. Sacrifice, anguish & suffering and in the end you pray for the glorious win.

Like chess, you make a move and someone watching says “that was the dumbest move ever”. Then you win the game and they say “Brilliant strategy”.

[andyk]

We’re headed over the cliff. It’s either Thelma and Louise style, or James Dean style. There are folks who have tried to stop it, but they’re not on the RR ticket.

[okie01]

There are folks who have tried to stop it, but they’re not on the RR ticket.

May I suggest that they're not on the OB ticket, either?

[what's up]

The real causes were forcing banks to lend mortgages to sub-par borrowers

AGREE!

The tax-payer funded Gov't forced banks into bad loans.

So, unfortunately it was the tax-payer's duty to bail them out when their policies went bad.

If not, we were to have a depression.

[andyk]

LOL, yes, you may. But I don’t expect that from the other side. Although the line between the sides is thin and blurring.

[TomEwall]

lol

[RobbyS]

My point being that Jimmy Madison did not think that Hamilton’s plan was a legitimate function of..... Yet Madison eventually signed off on it, because Virginia wanted a capitol close to them.

[entropy12]

You are right. All those people from Goldman Sachs...were foxes appointed to watch the chicken coop.

[entropy12]

Ok pal, so Romney & Ryan are no good! So what is your alternate solution? Help the socialist Muslim from Chicago be elected for 4 more years? Or are you proposing a coup at the GOP convention?

[dila813]

I have his facts, I just translated them for you....Don’t like it because you can’t spin it.

Either accept it or don’t, I don’t wear rose colored glasses.

Yes, I know Reagan made non-conservative votes in order to protect higher principles.

This guy admits he sold out to fear. Sounds like he is a closet case of all you have to do to get him to do the lib thing is scare him.

[andyk]

And thus we ended up with a constitution built on compromise. Yes, no one disputes that. That does not mean that the constitution itself is written in a willy nilly, wobbly fashion that allows for whatever legislators want. It means that the concrete document created was done so over a period of time with competing interests.

So, do you think that TARP holds to the constraints of Article I, Section 8? Or, do you think enumerated powers are anachronistic? Or some other option? You seem to keep falling back to history, since scolding me that "both" Ryan and Obama had legitimate reasons for it.

[RobbyS]

No, I think that the limits are elastic. The problem with the way Obama does it is to push the elasticity beyond the breaking points. The liberal leadership really wants to limit all legal restraints on their power, the very definition of arbitary government, where the only limits are political. It is the corruption of popular government that Aristotle warns us about in his “Politics.” Our system is supposed to be that :mix” that Aristotle thought to be the best government. The Roman government was like that until after the time of the Gracchi. Then we get into that terrible period when the Republic fell apart and Rome ended up being “rescued” by Augustus Caesar.